cap28:

yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn!!!!!
who cares whether he harassed her or not- he's just another black puppet being wheeled out to oversee the final phase of america's fast approaching economic collapse - if he wins he will not stop the rising unemployment , the foreclosures and the rising poverty amongst blacks in america.

Mental patient!

ronkebp:

That is what am talking about ''choice'', it is true you all have this testosterone,but you still put the fact that you are in a relationship into consideration, men are not animals, they have a choice to remain faithful with one partner and not sleep around like a dog.

I never said they don't have a choice. I just said wetin dey do dem pass wetin dey do you.

You have to acknowledge the difference.

There is a reason men don't nag or beef each other as much as women. Because wetin dey do una for that respect pass wetin dey do us.

Man . . . . . . . Wo-Man.

ronkebp:

^^^^^^^^^which facts

Testosterone is linked to drive, focus, competition and success. Men have higher levels of testosterone and hence much stronger sex drives.

Also read Triver's theory on Page 2, Paragraph 1

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/group/busslab/pdffiles/SexDifferencesinHuman.PDF

If I met you now, you will be evaluate if it was worth sleeping with me and be conducting a series of tests, despite the fact that I am hot.

Me, I will see if you are fine, and if I was single (cross my heart), I would be happy to take you to a corner, bend you down and bone you silly.

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Basseti:

Hahahahahahahaa. Well, I respectfully disagree.
Lying about it wont make it go away. It actually made it more interesting,,,,,,, now peeps like me want to really see what happened. If you look at the polls, he has not been doing well with female republican voters and this is not gonna help him one bit.

If they found out he actually hit on her while he was married, I don't see how that will win him or win him back the female voters.

Denying it is better. Note the word "deny", you used lie, that is a presumption the allegations were true. Without facts, we can never know if they were true or not, so he will not be lying, he would be denying.

Basseti:

Check this out, if he had just said that first time: Yeah, there were some frivolous charges brought against me by some worker. It was dealt in house and settled. End of story. This would have died a long time ago. He actually made the story more interesting by flip flopping. And you might not agree, but this is going to continue to haunt him. Once you have the late night comics jumping on the story and you have Cain himsel going on the Jay Leno show to talk about it, then be prepared for it to be part of the conversation everytime Cain's name is brought up.

You are right!

But he just needs to up his game in denial!

Be tight and don't contradict yourself. That is by:

- Plan in advance what storyline your are going to stick to.
- Check for loopholes and any risk of information that might emerge and affect your storyline.
- Put in place contigency.
- Deny! Deny! Deny!
- Highlight and hit hard loopholes in your accusers stories (e.g. the woman reading a script of what happened to her).
- People will get bored of the front and back accusation that is becoming stale and no new thing coming up.
- Ramp up your supporters voice and praise-singing to suppress unsubtantiated rants.

Another story would come up soon (Earthquake, Tsunami, Government scandal) that will over-shadow your story.

All clear.

Basseti:

If he merely hit on her and she turned it into "intimate assualt", if I was a voter, I could not give a flying toss.

Neither would I.
But it wont do Herman Cain any good even if turns out he "merely" hit on her. It would make him a liar cos he already stated that there was no intimate innuendoes involved. That goes back to my previous point about the charges not being the factor but the reaction to those charges.
It speaks more to Herman Cain's character.

If he merely hit on her and she exaggerated and claimed intimate harassment, then I am in full, unequivalent support of him lying. He is free to tell any lie to avoid discussing it.

That is no ones business except him, his wife and the woman.

I don't see the point in him admitting it and have a pack of useless press wolves feed on it (unobjectively) when it is not the public's business.

Basseti:

I don't think he would even want to be defending himself against merely hitting on her so I can see no political capital in waiving the non-disclosure.
He would be defending himself if the non disclosure thingy is not waived. Cos as long as the facts are not known, the press will keep hounding him about it and he will always find himself on the defensive which is not his strongest suit.
The political capital from Herman Cain's point of view is to make sure that the press gets back to asking him questions about his 9-9-9 plan as opposed to some allegations which he claims that never happened, then remembered but was fuzzy about the details, and then suddenly giving clear details on the issue all within 24 hrs.

I think his political capital will be more depleted with disclosure. It is best he rides it out without any facts disclosed. The press will get bored when they have nothing new to report. They will get off his back then or when the public is bored of listening to the same ol unsubstantiated allegations.

My principles are: "When you are playing with people that will not play fair (e.g. the press and the accusers), play it muthafcking dirty like a mud fight in the First World War trenches and as unfair as a long-serving dictator organising an election."

It is a lose-lose game for him. It now only depends on scores. Does he lose 100-2 or 5-4.

He needs to be smarter with what he "remembers". I found that cringing when I watched him contradicting himself. That is more politically damaging for him in my camp than infidelity: "I can't bare fooooools". He sounded steeeeeeeeeeeeewpid!

ronkebp:

^^^^ There is nothing like ''natural polygamy'', am not a jealous wife, but i hate to share my property, what is mine is mine. In as much as my hubby would not want to share me with anybody, what makes him think i would love to share him with another

Promiscuity is a thing of the mind, anybody can cheat, whoever cheats does that because he/she chose to.

JJM:

@Plutarch
I do not buy that theory that men are naturally polygamous. We, human beings are the ones that have, over the course of time(going back centuries) consoled ourselves with that thought and made the excuses for the men. Self fulfilling prophesy I say. Just because Solomon had 100 wives/concubines, that means that is how men are or should be. We condone it and make these silly excuses for it and that is why it has become the "norm" by default, Total BS!!!!!

Stop arguing against scientific facts!

Men are more polygamous.

biolabee:

i was going to spend 5 days with my wife at Obudu but when i did the breakdown it was better we went to the UK which she would even enjoy more and we can shop

what also kills Obudu is the lack of air routes from Calabar or PH
the cabs will take like 50k while you have to house them through out your stay.
A room is like 20+ K and light is not 247

Thank you.

I am still waiting for 27naira's breakdown.

Basseti:

Ok?

So lets assume that the lady is telling the truth.
Is reaching down and putting your hands up the skirt of a female colleague at work considered merely making a move or s, e, xual harassment? How about when you take a woman's head down your pants?

With your logic, I could just drop my pants in front of a female worker and ask if she want to, if she says no and I pull up my pants then we are good, right?   

I take it common sense will tell us exposing yourself in public can be regarded as a civic offence?

I take it common sense will tell us putting your hands on someone you are not attached to for intimate gratification is harassment?

Basseti:

Yeah, I have not taken a position. It might be that the women are full of bs. But Mr Cain is not helping matters by flip flopping all over the place. Today he is saying he is not aware of any charges, tomorrow he is saying he knows of the charges but there was no settlement. Fast forward one hour later, he is telling us  about the nature of the charges and an estimate of how much it was settled for.  Haba, Mr Cain!!!!!

It is not the charges that sinks most politicians, its the cover ups. Thats what happened with Anthony Weiner.

You are right.

Basseti:

The accuser (the first one on which the story broke) cannot come out because the NRA made her sign a non-disclosure clause.

And thats another point, I want to see Mr Cain pushing for the clause to be lifted so that all the facts can be disclosed. Right now, we really dont even know the nature of the accusations. It might be like you said , something light, or maybe something more direct. Only Mr Cain can help us know the truth here.

That is dependent on if the woman did not lie in her accusations. We can't tell what is in the non-disclosure. If it is lies and exaggerations, it is best left non-disclosable.

Sometimes women and black people exploit laws like this (meant to protect them) and companies just pay up to avoid the reputational loss and damage that publicity will bring.

If she lied and he allowed disclosure, he would have to reopen a defence against false accusations he has already closed.

If he merely hit on her and she turned it into "intimate assualt", if I was a voter, I could not give a flying toss. My political stance is not influenced by infidelity. If he did the other stuff I said above, then I would worry.

I don't think he would even want to be defending himself against merely hitting on her so I can see no political capital in waiving the non-disclosure.

This is an example of th useless Naija mentality I was talking about:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-797725.32.html#msg9513092

lynxnoon:


http://obuducattleranch.info/booking-a-holiday

See there website?

What a disgrace!

Utter bloody foools.

No wonder most Nigerians are unemployable and we need to bring in expatriates.

Useless people calling themselves "graduates". Moronic mentality of "E don do, we don try".

What a shameful competence.

asudan:

What is your business if the pastor is fake or real or are his members complaining?Why don't you leave those men of God alone and allow God to judge them instead of wasting your precious time on something irrelevant.If  pastors have cars,duplex,jet e.t.c,it is not your business to poke nose into their affairs.You where there when they laboured for it neither were you born when God choose them.Let me tell you the truth nothing comes easy be it fake or real you must pay a price to  become great in Life.Keep on writing nonsense until you find yourself runin pillar to post for help and probably end up wit the same men of God dat u hv rubbish.

Bloody cretinous, illiterate foooool!

oge4real:

How can this man say he owned 7 companies at age 12 and wrote articles at 6? Why not claim possiblities. does he think those that knew him back then are all dead?

After he said this, only a cretin will not know he is a liar!

27naira:

what are you talking about?

I drove to Obudu in 2010 and spent some time there with friends.
after three days, i spent about 72k. It was worth every cent despite the fact that i was extra-extra-vangant

Abeg the place make sense and very affordable.

CONS: Not a place for a single man otherwise boredom go kill you die 

Explain what you got for your N72K.

Give a break down, don't just tell me you spent N72K.

I can go to Scotland (from London) and spend only N55K in 3 days. So why would you just stating you spent N72K be any significant.

Give a break down.

ijaw_girl:

Obudu cattle ranch is the best honeymoon destination in Nigeria IMO.
I have been there twice
Obudu Mountain Resort is a place to have a splendid time. If you visit Obudy, you won't regret any bit of it.

Completely over-priced place.

I would regret every bit of it when you can spend a fraction of the cost and go to Barbados or Kenya with much better facilities and sight.

naijasexy:

Honestly, I dont get it when people say this. How so? what do you mean by they "get wahala"?


The OP is correct. Guys in diaspora try as much as possible to avoid getting romantic with  girls here because they claim "we are a handful"!
(Most) Nigerian men dont like challenges when it comes to matters of romance and when they suspect that a girl is going to pose a challenge, they bail out.
Pathetic!

Huh?

Why would a sane human being want "challenging relationships" when he can have "sane, stressless relationships"?

And it to the list of the dumb ediot's goofs!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-626786.0.html

Basseti:

Yeah, I see how easily one can view that press conference as something that was staged and orchestrated. Throw in Gloria Allred as the attorney and you have the perfect recipe for a Kim Kardashinsque reality show for the media press.

However, this still does not becloud the fact that Cain has a lot to answer to. intimate harassment is not a light accusation and given the fact that there was a settlement, severance, agreement or wateva Mr Cain wants to call it, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

I get your point but if it was left to me, I will take it case by case.

In my view making a move on a woman at work is not sexual harassment. It is only sexual harassment when she states she is not interested and you continue, or you use your power to impose a penalty for her not engaging sexually with you.

I am well aware a woman can claim sexual harassment based purely on being wooed and companies might choose to settle to avoid any embarassment of such claim coming out. Such claims I expect to be prominent in litigious and stressed workplaces like USA. So they paying a settlement is not sufficient until I see the accusations and what he did. I am aware you have not taken a position as you only said he has questions to answer.

If the accusers are not willing to come forward, such accusations counts little in my view. I am not really bothered about a married man hitting on women. That is between him and his wife. And I do not believe this particular accuser that came forward one jot.

pres-elect:

Heheheheheherman Cain 
Woman number four appears with detaiks
Tiger woods part 2. 
Wey my pop corn I'm loving it

I find it hard to believe a woman who is reading and relying on a note to describe and remember the "intimate assault she experienced".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E69P2eHXLc[/flash]

That looks like coaching and being paid to me.

Basseti:

I will take it that you didnt [size=18pt]read[/size] my posts, and I will let that pass.

All my posts here have been exchanges with Jenifa about the nature of the thread. I have not even come around to answering the question posed by the OP not to talk of drawing  conclusion.

Now tell me, who is being faster than a shadow?

That is the challenge with him.

The result of Expos and having body doubles doing exams for him.

Basseti:

Going by your penchant for being precise, make that "Nigerian men in diaspora"

I just couldnt resist that dig  

Jenifa_:

on point
If we nigerian women abroad aren't the way they we are, you will be seeing all of becoming baby mamas to 5 different men like our foreign counterparts. Many of us will rather stay single till 30 than choose that path of single motherhood.
yea there aren't enough responsible men out there to go around for every woman. but doesn't mean we will settle out of desperation without using our heads. not when we know the kind of men we're dealing with.

This is a valid point.

But the same outcome can be achieved with a better personality than what most have.

Maybe even 2 positive outcomes:

1) No babymamism.

2) Great options of men kissing their feets that they can pick from.

The personality will get them the (2).

Because at the end of the day, majority of the most successful and desirable black men are ending up with foreigners. While the averages and the drenches are being passed back by the foreigners.

Basseti:

Consider these two questions and you might begin to be a little bit less confused: (I saw this thread this morning):

Why do Nigerian men have pot bellies?
Do Nigerian men have pot bellies?  

One presupposes a fact and just wants an explanation. The other is just merely asking a question.

Same thing here.

Simple bread and butter.

Jenifa_:


or how about:

Why do Nigerian men have british accents?
Do Nigerian men have british accents?

get my drift?

And those 2 questitons are not 2 completely different things to you?

They mean the same thing?

sexkillz:

[size=14pt]Foolish boy! She didnt! I Concede on that! [/size]

Can you see what happens when cretins use expo to get their barely pass grade?

Jenifa_:

haha good point.

Explain why it is a good point.

Explain how indicating his friend's opinion equates to it being his own opinion.

seedord247:

Meaning of cretin . . .

It's a good thing to turnout from Illiterate to literate

But it's unsatisfactory to hear that someone that own's a B.Sc now turnout to be a Unpleasant Illiterate.

When he was buying expo for SSCE, passing chips in exam hall and bribing lecturers, he did not know it will catch up with him.

Cretinous product of a failed education system!

Jenifa_:


there have been this similar confusion elsewhere on this website too. sometimes people create topics without sensitivity to the fact that the situation is different in Nigeria! lol

and then he goes on to make generalizations about Nigerian women based on what his friends in US and UK said.
read the rest of his first post.
just because he mentioned uk and us friends doesn't clarify his position.

If you were in his shoes (ie living in Nigeria), and reading this topic without the necessary context you would understand what I mean.

even a non-nigerian reading this topic will read it differently and assume that all nigerian men feel that way about nigerian women. It's all about the context. and the context was missing.

Do me a favour.

Show me the generalisation the OP made about Nigerian women.

Quote and post it.

violent:


Mr A conducts a research in South Africa about the se[i]x[/i]ual behavior of Lizards,  . .  His research was based on careful observation of about 7 different lizards. . . .Mr A asks other scientists/colleagues in Australia if his observation is a recent trend in animal behavior, or if his observation was an isolated case.

If given the above, you still can't make sense of the OPs post, then probably  there's  no point arguing with you in the first place

Haba! Wetin dey do you?

You wan dabaru im brain?

You begin dey talk scientific research. You don't know that is "oppression" of a cretinous product of a failed education system?

Jenifa_:

Not all Nairalanders are in UK and US.
the ones in Nigeria will fell the same frustration sexkill does. The thread is misleading.
and the content doesn't seem to clarify it much.

It makes a lot of generalizations about nigerian women that doesn't apply to a Nigerian setting. where men can't afford to bash the women anyhow like that.

The fact he said in his VERY FIRST LINE: "I observed that most of my friends who live and study in the US and UK are dating non-Nigerian girls." is not clear enough?

You want him to list all the local governments in Nigeria and say "Not in . . . ." before you get it?

Jenifa_:

@sagaman,
If you read sexkillz's first post on this thread (quoted above), you will realize that he is referring to the misleading topic title!!
The assumption there is regardless of location.

That is not the experience of Nigerians living with in Nigeria ([size=14pt]for obvious reasons[/size]).

OBVIOUS REASONS!

Someone with a brain cell will know it can't be in regards to Nigerian women and men in Nigeria.

But since sexkillz has the brain cells of a chimpanzee, he misread it and carried his gutter-education defiance when clearly corrected.

Jenifa_:

And, I suspect sagaman is sagamite or fstranger. Those ones can't go anywhere without being verbally abusive. lol

Don't suspect.

Sagaman is Sagamite. The only patent holder of the word "cretin". When you see a sentence start with "You are a cretin", it can only be Sagamite!

Useless spambot banned me.

Jenifa_:

It's d same reason black american men are doing it. same reason carribean men are doing it. same reason african men are doing it.
But it doesn't happen with muslims and born again christian men or men with strong cultural values.
I stand by my claim.
the answer is very obvious.

Ehen!

So you forgot the part of religion restricting the pool of people they associate with or can marry?

So African men have no "strong cultural values".

Jenifa_:

and your tourism analogy makes no sense.
Nigeria doesn't really need oyinbo tourism. Mostly former settler colonies (Kenya, SA etc) and settler colony wannabe (Ghana) have successful ones.
Even when they wanted to bring "Miss World" to us, the northerners refused it with violent reaction!!

Really?



I can't believe I said something as a ridicule that I was expecting you to repudiate, but you took it on and (to my shock) confirmed that is your thinking.



Na you be the best Minister of Economics and Finance I have ever come across.

This statement is so ludicrous, I can't go into too much detail as it clearly screams this person has no jackarse clue about national and global economics and the associated competitive dynamics.

sexkillz:

[size=14pt]Ok i just did. So after ending your moronic statement with a question mark, you started with "I observed that most of my friends who live and study in the US and UK are dating non-Nigerian girls."

Can you school me more on that, teacher? How do you reconcile your topic with that statement?[/size]

Do you have issues?

The guy stated he has observed something and put a question out to see if others have similar observations and you are chatting dust.

When you chat shyt and are caught out, like he did when he made it clear to you that it was a question, not an assertion: Shut up and accept you goofed and stop these "I no go carry last" arguments.

YOU GOOFED! HE CORRECTED YOU! LEARN!