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kramer: My friend don't be gullible, I checked Essiens record and i dont see any award for being the world's bestI will post you a dictionary instead: http://www.dictionary.reference.com/ So you can check you English and be able to read and comprehend. |
Afam4eva: You don't get my point...WINNING AWARDS IS A FUNCTION OF THE ERA YOU ARE IN. So all the Christianos and Iniesta that will never win awards because a player called Messi is there, to people like you, will become hopeless players? Ikpeba and Amunike are better players than Okocha becaause they won AFoY? You guys should stop using rubbish tools. Judge on: - Players ability in their role. - At what level they excelled with this ability. - What influence they had on their team at these level. Awards, Team trophies, caps, sale price, salary, sexy wife etc should all be secondary and back up. |
ballabriggs: That you do not know him says a lot about your knowledge of the game in Africa.I want him to do something exceptional that would make him stand out in the team that is winning something. I would want him to do something exceptional to the point he is poached to come and play at the highest level. I would want him to do somehting excpetional that we fcking even notice him. |
Afam4eva: I asked for any personal achievements and not WPOY afterall only one African player has won it.You really are not serious. That shyt player called Messi is also some stewpid local Champion. All his achievement is in Spain. ![]() See argument. ![]() |
J12: Mboma was also God of his team. Also, if Mboma wasn't an outstanding goal machine, cameroon wouldn't have won the 2000 nations cup.You are still arguing for for argument sake or just for the sake of being seen as still arguing. Mboma was NEVER a God for any team he played for. Mboma was NEVER as prolific as Yekini. Emelcee: And why is VINCENT ENYEAMA, IKE SHORUNMU and PETER RUFAI not in the list?Just shut up now! Don't say another word. |
Afam4eva: So, how come the Essien who was named in the WPOY in 3 consecutive years never won the African footballer of the year? What title did he win personally as a footballer?This is another of the rubbish judgement tools? So Henry is also shyt because he did not win WPoY? Luis Figo and Kaka won it. Out of these 3, which would you first buy at their peak? |
Brown Bread: u r a complete joke wot impact did oliseh had, any sensible person will know Essien is miles ahead of oliseh. Tackling, running, strength, incredible goals......etc. Essien have it moreWell said! Acecube: guy you placed mikel above okocha,amokachi, ikpeba ? where are bk boys when you need themOkocha fcked DK's wife that is why he has incandescent hate for him. ![]() To be more serious, his rating approach is just faulty. If a player plays in a team in a major championship final, to DK, he is the greatest ever. CAMEROONPRIDE: ohh Girl you know so much.Neither is Taribo West, Radebe, Ikpeba, N'Doram, Hadji etc. He would be in top 50, it is not easy being in top 30. Reference: But what happened in Europe. Yekini was top scorer for his portugese club for two seasons and a leading marksman in Portugal and in so doing taking a modest Vitoria Setubal to the UEFA (now Europa) cup. Scored Nigeria's first goal at the world cup in a team regarded as the tournament's most entertaining (not for Amokachi's dance moves though)Some people think it is beans to score 90 goals in 108 matches. They buy that in the market. |
ballabriggs: Please kindly edit your list and add Ahmed Hassan's name to it.Because of what? A modern day player that hardly anyone knows? Speaks volumes of his ability. CAMEROONPRIDE: You mean Afcon, World cup, confederation cup and Olympic are an inferior level? You are aware that these competitions reunite the best teams of each continent except 4 AfconWhat ever we were or are playing at afcon is inferior to what is being played in European leagues and World cup. Simples! Freiburger: @ Sagamite, on what criteria did you rated Michael Essien (Ghana) and Samuel Kuffour (Ghana) before Rashidi Yekini (Nigeria)?Yekini did not play at the highest level as these guys. These guys played at the highest level for a long time and they were key players to their team. Jarus: Even Egyptians hardly rate Abu Treika among their Top 10, when they have Hassan Hosam, Ahmed Hassan, and other players of their golden generation.No mind the kids. Reference: Assessments are compounded. Sum of averages. You may do badly in one and exceptionally well in others and still fail or end up on top of the pile. It depends. Why I don't do skill is because it is part art, part technique, highly subjective. Not appreciated equally worldwide.I prefer subjectives as long as the subject giving opinion is intelligent. J12: Mboma(and Geremi) was the most influential player in the Cameroonian team during his time and he won more titles for his team than Yekini. He also scored better goals than Yekini. Yekini's goals are mostly tap-in's, even Yakubu scores better goals.Check your facts before you speak. Don't argue for for argument sake or just for the sake of being seen as still arguing. No 1, Yekini was God of his team in his time. No 2, NEVER say a player won or carried his team EXCEPT the player is an exceptional playmaker, outstanding goal machine or a keeper you can't beat. THOSE ARE THE ONLY PLAYERS that carry teams. Lets cut this silly arguments that a player is a good player in a team, hence he won this and that for them or he carried them to space. Only exceptional playmaker, outstanding goal machine or a keeper you can't beat are. Mboma was never any of those. Neither was a superb charismatic figure that scores vital last minute goals. No 3, Yekinis goals were mostly tap ins? Are you a joke? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiGSl8rMGB8 |
Reference: Wrong, wrong. The way I would rather rate players is this: Trophies (in accordance with tournament viewing attendances), Impact (the percentage of team success attributable to you), Longevity (the number of years we've enjoyed watching you perform at top level) and if there remains a tie, personal stuff such as skill, character, and all the petty stuff we quarrel about.I would put skills/ability above throphies anyday. Throphies are a function of a team, skills is based on the individual. Otherwise, Gary Neville would be one of the greatest. And Austin Eguavon would be regarded as better than Diouf! |
Dasijmilano: Am sure the list is in order and I hav a problem with the 1st and 2nd position...i think george weah shuld be 1st ..Really arguable. But: - Etoo has been at the top for more than 7 straight years now. - Etoo is more prolific at club level (lets not even talk about national because that would be grossly unfair to Weah) - Etoo scores all kinds of goals Weah would struggle to score. Tight but over time, I would give it to Etoo for longevity, prolific-ness and variety of ability. CAMEROONPRIDE: 1)by scoringSo you are in the crowd of strikers should take all the glory? ![]() Pele. I know it pained. ![]() CAMEROONPRIDE: I'm crying actually, so you mean the guy won't make history despite everything he made for this continent? We are Africans before everything, transcontinental exploits shouldn't count that much when judging our players.We should ignore our players' glorious performances at the best level in favour of performances at an inferior level? |
kandiikane: With that your bald head? You can fool immigration.Which bald head? |
pword: To me the way i late players is neither club nor national team performance,i late a player according to his individual performance.Thats why i suggest that Jay Jay Okocha supposed to come second after Samuel Eto'oAnd not only is the way you rate players wrong, the way you apply your poor rating approach is even more ridiculous. Okocha over Abedi Pele. Okocha over Hossam Hassan? In your wildest drrrrrrreams! |
J12: If he wasn't a fiery striker, he wouldn't take cameroon to two world cups, win back to back African Cup titles + win an olympic medal. He also won the african player of the year award.I never said he was not a fiery striker, how is he better than Yekini? How did he take Cameroun to 2 WCs? Was he the coach or something I was not aware of? Also explain to me how Diouf was better than Yekini? slimghost: So that gives him a place in your list?Answer my question na. CAMEROONPRIDE: he is not even among our top5 goalkeepers.That one match na wetin still dey pain you till today? ![]() He was a great keeper. FACT! ![]() [quote author=k'nash]funny ranking. who is essien compared to kanu. who is y.toure to nwankwo kanu. y will kanu be mention after both and others. a guy dat under went hrt surgery came back and still won african ft of da yr. make dis man pack him face nd ranking jareeee.[/quote]My friend, go and pick your books and prepare for your WAEC and NECO exams. ![]() |
CAMEROONPRIDE: their stats look quite similar.The same Songo'o that was one of the best 5 keepers in the world in his time? Sorry he disappointed your nation, but he is a top talent in his club for many years. Emotions never come into my analyses. |
dayokanu: Bebeto won the world cup as a top player and when he was a Deportivo player the club was second in the La Liga losing on goal difference to BarcelonaBut your argument is "Top players play for top clubs, If you are good big clubs would come for you"? Who cares whether his team won WC? According to you, he must be shyt becuase big clubs did not come for him. So you now realise a top player might not play for a top club? Just like Juninho P of Lyon as well? And Gascoigne? dayokanu: Kanu went to a bottom club at his decline.But Kanu went to a bottom club at 28, Okocha went to Bolton (your Poly) at 29. Yet Okocha shone like a million stars. ![]() Sorry mate, Kanu was at decline at 21 when he started benching like Assistant coach. ![]() |
dayokanu: How easy is it to be a top player in bottom clubs. I am sure if you also go to Reading they would make you club captain.The same type of bottom club that Kanu could not be a top player and went there to bench after years of benching? ![]() Then apart from Kanu watching Thierry Henry and Anelka live (I agree that is a tremendous achievement), compare Kanu and Jay Jay at national level. |
idanbox1: what of yaya toure?He is at specsavers buying you a 2-for-1 special offer. slimghost: Nice list Sagamite, but pls and pls yank Essien's name off that list. Even Sunday Oliseh was a better player and achieved more both at club and National levelsWhen was Oliseh ever in the top 10 midfielders in the world, talkless of top 10 footballers in the world like Essien? dayokanu: What are the type of players that only excel at low level clubs and are not desired by top clubs. Zidane, Figo, Messi, Ronaldo Lima, C Ronaldo etc are all playing for top clubsSo Bebeto was shyt? J12: Patrick Mboma was the highest goal scorer for the Cameroonian national team before he was replaced by Eto.Mboma is better than Yekini by scoring 33 goals in 57 matches, while Yekini Scored 37 in 58? Mboma is better than Yekini by playing for the national team for 9 years, while Yekini played for 14? When was Mboma ever as scary a striker in front of defenders like Yekini? Theloveth: Saga bro am gonna fight you.All your arguments and counter arguments are top notch but i think u made a mistake.Not including aboutreika and Ahmed hassan,i mean these guys wont 3 consecutive afcons and abou like 3 or 4 caf championsleague.I think aboutreika deserves it IMHO.I dont like Diouf too but i think Dayo have a valid argument.2/3 years of flashness doesnt matter,he made a difference then so let him in.Van Basten has a short and fulfilled playing career too naAboutreika was that good, considering he played in the 2000s, he would have been in Europe too. He is good but not one of the 50 greatest. There are many more quality players that missed out. J12: If I were to compile a list of the Thirty best ever european footballers, Xavi and Iniesta won't make the list.But Puyol and Casillas will? ![]() |
dayokanu: Kaka was never top 3 player in Real madrid and whats the 5yrs time frame you mean Kakas peak was at 2007 and he never matched that height ever again.Go and look at WPoY list for 2009. He was injured shotly after getting to Madrid. He was bought as their star player. At least Okocha was playing and he is regarded as a God, not just a good player, in the teams he played for. Unlike Kanu that watched the matches live. ![]() Go to Turkey and say you are Nigerian and see whether you will not get a free drink. |
Reference: Then half of Africa will be included. You just cannot ignore the transcontinental impact soccer success brings. That's why Odegbami is rated so low.Thank you. metti: What of Perpetual NkwochaShe is just below Teslim Fatusi. ![]() |
metti: I am sorry for not having sense! But for you that have sense, take note that the thread is talking about 30 top footballers in Africa and not the world. May be in comparison you would have asked me what Kanu or any other player on the list has done to Africa football.The thread says "Top African" footballers. If it said "top footballers in Africa", I can assure you 13 year old Stanley Okoro would top my list. ![]() dayokanu: How many tournaments did Kaka shine ?Who gives a shyt how many tournaments he shined in? DK, I have told you several times: I AM NOT THE TYPE TO BE IMPRESSED BY TOURNAMENT SHINE! I look at a player, his ability, the level he played at and how he can carry his team. Kaka was consistently the best player or top 3 in his team with AC Milan, Real Madrid and Brazil for over 5 years. He controlled the game with those teams. Are those Ogbomoso moin-moin teams? |
CAMEROONPRIDE: Where is PATRICK MBOMA I tire oooHe would struggle to fit in top 50. A player being good does not mean he is the greatest. Afam4eva: I noticed you're not fond of Okocha but this Okocha you call a circus entertainer carried the Nigerian team on his back for so many years just the same wayy he carried PSG and Bolton.No min am! |
dayokanu: Diouf was twice African footballer of the year TWICE. World cup all star.Kaka and Ronaldinho spent many years at the top. At least 5 years. Never compare such people to Diouf. Shining at tournaments does not make you great. Especially one tournament. |
Brown Bread: 1 George WeahMilla over Etoo? Explain to me during what era Milla could ever be considered one of the top 20 strikers in the world. Lets not even talk about top 5. mikky2k2: u forgot mido, zaki and amr of egyptI also forgot Pitroipa and Peter Ndulovu. Sorry, my brother. |
metti:But I thought you asked what Essien did in Africa? So you don't find sense in thinking what did Messi do in South America? dayokanu: Diouf won not once but twice, One of the best players in the French league in circa 2000-20011 year of flash and you are the greatest ever (especially if you do a few hay-hay-hay leg-overs)? Sorry, not in Sagamite's world. dayokanu: Diouf is better than Nkono, Antoine Bell, Grobellar, PokouDiouf is better than Liverpool's number 1 keeper for more than 8 years during the era when Liverpool were king's in UK and Europe? Really? ![]() |
dayokanu: Between 8 and 15So Diouf is better than Yaya Toure? Diouf is comparable to Bwalya, Essien and Hossam? Really? |
shymexx: You and I know that Jay Jay Okocha was cheated out of the trophy twice - first in 1998, and second in 2002 or so... He was clearly the best African player in 1998 by far and he was also the third most expensive player in world(his move to PSG)... He should've won it in 2002 or so as well, however, politics gave it to Eto Fils...No, Kanoute won fair and square, why did Okocha not be able to win fair and sqaure. Kanoute is faaaaaaaaaar better than Okocha. Sorry, I am just trying to think like you guys that talk about awards. Diouf my arsse! shymexx: I don't care about how long he played at top level, however, he's top 50 on any list whatsoever - the guy lacked the required techniques and he was rubbish!!... If we're to go by your logic, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes should also be on the list of top 30 greatest footballers ever because they played at the top level for like forever!!!One of the most efficient defenders Africa has seen, with 138 caps with African football's powerhouse at their peak. No be beans or Asaro. |
metti: Where is Theophilus Abega?He was number 31 and barely missed the list. metti: What has Essien done to Africa Football to have made the listWhat has Messi done for Argentine football? |
dayokanu: El Hadji Diuof was a star in the Senegalese team.Enlighten me. Tell me where you would slot Diouf in that list. |
shymexx: Where's the bald Camara guy from Guinea that played for Liverpool??In Africa's top 30? J12: The 2010 world cup was bullshït. Besides, Ghana just had a good team and nothing else. Spain eventually won the world cup but apart from Cassilas and maybe puyol, no other player in that Spanish team will be included in a top thirty best ever European footballer list.Puyol and Casillas over Xavi and Iniesta? WTF! |
topsy1971: The list is extremely biased. Where is Stephen Tawtaw,Yousouf Fofana,Kabongo Ngoy,Cyril Makanaky,Mark Fish,Kana Biyik,Stephen Keshi,Sam Okwaraji,Nduka UgbadeNduka Ugbade - One of the top 30 greatest African footballers of all times. ![]() Sorry. I apologise. I even forgot to put Mobi Oparaku too. ![]() JARUS, DEMOCRACY? ![]() J12: Where is the left footed devil called Patrick Mboma?In top 100, somewhere below Oliseh, Fofana, Baba Camara, Oman Biyik, Hadji etc. shymexx: If Essien is rated for the role he played in Lyon's champions league campaign(and the team was a complete team, btw), then Victor Ikpeba should rated for his exploits with AS Monaco in the champions league as well... Heck, Victor Ikpeba won the African footballer of the year - something Essien never achieved... I'm a life long Chelsea fan and Essien wasn't even the top 5 most important player for Chelsea from 05-07 - Drogba, Carvalho, Terry, Arjen Robben, Lampard, Gallas, and Makele made Chelsea back then...Kanoute won African footballer of the year. Something Okocha never achieved. So Kanoute is better than Okocha? otumfour: if peeps disagree wirh Saga's list, let them come up with their's.....simple!We have already seen one from kabukabu! ![]() shymexx: Why is Rigobert Song on the list??Do you know how long Rigobert Song played at the top level? You are one of the flash in the pan impresionable youths. Diouf ko, Waldorf ni! |
jadakiss213: true.but why cant u compare Oliseh wv Essien?he was probably better than the Ghanian.played for top clubs and was highly sought after.anyways its ur opinion.Oliseh compared to Essien? ![]() What the fck are you guys smoking this weekend? That is like telling me Tiote can be compared to Nedved! Can you tell me any period when Oliseh was one of the top 10 midfielders in the world? Any period in his career. Is this a joke? FXKing2012: The author of this list must be very eeeeediotic; no smart individual will concoct such.I will pick up your person arsse on another thread. When I finish with you, you will regret even being born dumb. [quote author=kj_hova]Sadly, you sound like a Europhile or worse still an Afrophobe. Referencing many fine Africans that played the Afcons & Sekur Toure cups of the 60's, 70's & 80's as fishermen is poor understand of the past. Simply put, the crave for playing in Europe (as we experience today) was non-existent in those days! The likes of Chukwu, Odegbami or Okalla ended there career in Africa by choice. Even today, Africa's finest footballer (my opinion, of course), Mo Abu Terika, played his entire career at home in Egypt. Would that place him below Brown Ideye in your opinion?[/quote]To be honest, I am just a sensiphile. Yes, African leagues where good in the 70s and 80s, not the 60s. They were good, does not mean they were not populated with semi-pros who could not compete with players in the Western Leagues, evident in World Cups were Zaire was chopping 9 goals. It is like comparing the modern-day good Middle Eastern Leagues to European 2nd tier leagues (Not even first tier). The ME leagues are still shyt in comparison and only very few players would be worth mentioning. Egytian league is the most advanced in Africa with pay virtually as good PPP-wise with 3rd tier European leagues. aribisala0: What did Kanu do for Super EaglesTEAMS WIN THINGS, not players! So if Kanu was a God and the other 10 players were palava, what do you want them to win? Lets cut this crap of saying "What did a player win", focus on his ability and influence on a team. aribisala0: Way too many Nigerians who are good but this list inly shows the youth and generation bias of its author,Youths smoking some conc stuff! ![]() Jarus: All rankings I have come across have Okocha and Kanu in top 15, whether from top sports journalists, or football portals or even official CAF rankingAll rankings you have come across were made democratically by people who do not have Saga's brain. I don't need to tell you what I think about democracy. We are already seeing here one mugu talking about El Hadji Diouf as in the top 30 in Africa ever and others talking about Iroha in top 30. You mean the same CAF rankings that put Milla above Weah and Etoo? Democracy is bad. Godly decision is good. dayokanu: In Sagamites list I think kanu should make top 10 of African footballers but I doubt Okocha should even make top 20The same Kanu that played 87 times for Nigeria as a striker, and scored less than Jay Jay that played 73 times as a midfielder? The same Kanu who spent 2/3rds of his career on the bench? dayokanu: Sagamite No one from the Senegalese team who made the World cup quarter finals? or the Ghanaian team of 2010 Thats the highest thing an African team has achieved at the world cupNo chance! I am Sagamite, not a quack that is impressed by flash in the pan. They played well as a team does not mean their players were great. Which of their players dominated European or African football over a long stretch? NONE! The Zambian players that won ANC are not great because they won. Jarus: Foe was a regular player, not extra-ordinary. His death on pitch only popularized him.Don't mind them. That is how some foools said Okwaraji was one of the greatest Nigerian footballers. A yeye journeyman that could not get a game in the back waters of Europe. chucky234: Sagamite must be drinking some cheap Korean alomo bitters to have put together a list as ridiculous as this,Kanu won UEFA Champions league aged 19yrs and was an important player at the then world's best football,Ajax Amsterdam and no African footballer dead or alive has ever achieve that fit.Jarus, this is what democracy gets you! "Kanu won Champions League"! ![]() So what should Litmannen, Finidi, Blind, Seedorf, Davids claim then? They created Champions League? Kanu is greater than Weah and Drogba? Democracy? ....................Hmm? ..................Omo Kwara. ![]() Chanchit: But Abou Trika still deserves to be among the top 10 from any angle you look it from, club or country,You are at Prof Corruption's weekend party, aintya? yemmy19: †ђξ Sagamite must be a fool,cos Kanu is supposed to Ђα̲̅v̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣ occupied †ђξ 3rd position.Another person I would pick up on another thread later. |
shadrach77: i'm suprised that said owairan did not make the listAnd Neymar paapaa. ![]() Prof Corruption:It can not be justified, if can be benchified. ![]() Kanu vs Abedi Pele? ...............................................You are not serious? ![]() Kanu cannot even smell Rabah Madjer. |
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