seunmsg: Lalasticlala pushed the topic to the front page with the false headline for reasons best known to him. Deliberately misinforming the public to paint others black is the norm nowadays.
Maybe you should draw his attention to it, he still has the power to make corrections.
Hellraiser77: This below is the Yoruba number one soup made from using toilet broom to stir algae harvested from the gutters of yoruba slum cities !D
Stop behaving like a kid bro, at least your children should be granted access to your login details once a while and I know they won't be happy seeing their Dad doing such. As per the food, na wetin I chop till I grow be that!
samuk: If you weren't interested in the acknowledgement, you wouldn't have commented. The truth is most of you like the way the Benin are flogging the Yoruba on your behalf.
I wont be surprised if these threads attract more silent Igbo readers than any other tribes.
The Yoruba have devised a of way shouting Igbo down whenever they raise their heads to comment on history.
You will hear the Yoruba say something like, who? An Igbo discussing history? Did Igbo even have an organised society before the white man came? Weren't they living on trees, going naked and wearing banana leaves before the white man came? What does an Igbo know about history? Did the Igbo not say, Igbo enwe Eze? So what is their business discussing history, an IPOB terrorist? All of a sudden the Igbos are beaten to retreat and go back into hiding and will be reading from there, too scared to interrupt or challenge Yoruba lies. Tao will now have a feed day waxing lyrical and she will be throwing all over the place, selected skewed references and citations which she often misinterprets and misrepresents.
The Yoruba can't try the same nonsense with the Benins because Benin is the history everyone studies.
As the Igbo will always say:
akụkọ iro Obodo Idu na Oba. (Benin where the Oba lives is where all stories, folktales and history happened)
TAO11: Now I know you wish you didn’t bungle publicly. But unfortunately for you — you already did. Now I’m set to highlight it for you.
What you actually prayed wished that your source (the reigning Ooni) should have said is Ooni descended from Osiris so you can claim a foreign roots for Oduduwa.
What your source (the reigning Ooni) clearly said instead, from your own video, is Osiris descended from Ooni — the direct opposite.
So, stop deluding tricking you mind into believing that I said it. No, your own video said it — even though it turned out to be a boomerang.
Per your own source with which you sought, only to fail, to support a fallacy; yes!
Well, at no point did I insult you, I only made a statement of historical fact. I said your a slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin, and I have first hand report to back it up. Would you like to see it.
Yes, we have been told and by different non-Yoruba sources (except “4” sources) as well as one non-existent source. Let’s analyze:
“1”: This is not a historical account, but rather a mythical narrative intended to glamorize and deify the personality of Oduduwa.
The similitude of this in Benin mythical narrative is that a certain Igodo who is the progenitor of Benin’s first monarchy was supposed to have descended into Benin city from the sky.
However, the historical Benin narrative about him states that he is a real human being who came to rule over ‘Benin’ all the way from Ife.
“2”: & “3”: The Middle-East roots account originated with Sultan Bello of Soloto and has nothing to do with Yoruba indigenous account.
”4:” Yes, this account is an indigenous historical account emanating from Ife itself, and as such the only logically dependable account.
Interestingly (and sadly for you), there is no indigenous historical account which conflicts with it.
“5”: Yes, the Binis at some point for inferiority purposes came up with this, despite that fact that it blatantly contradicts their own earlier, extant and INDIGENOUS account.
In any case, historical scholarship have put the fraudulent Binis in their place by calling this Benin account what it is — an interesting nonsense.
“6”: As I have demonstrated earlier, this has nothing to do with the origin of Ooni (Oduduwa), but rather the opposite — even though you had originally tried to fraudulently pass off the former, only for it to boomerang.
In other words, this is (sadly for you) an entirely opposite point to what you wish to establish.
. Well, every non-Yoruba ethnic group and religion in Nigeria may lay claim to Oduduwa if they please (as it’s seeming to be the case), the traditional historical account of Oduduwa’s kingdom has the final say.
And it holds that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife — and there is no indigenous historical account which conflicts with with this.
Let’s ponder an important questions on the ancestors and kings’ progenitors of the Binis.
Where do Bini ancestors and the progenitors of Benin kings originate from?:
(A) From the sky via a long chain, according to Benin mythological narrative.
(B) From the youngest son of God [and His wife], according to Omonoba Erediauwa.
(C) From Ife, according to the classical and “official” Bini account.
(D) From Egypt, according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1953 publication.
(E) From Sudan, still according to Chief Egharevba’s 1953 publication.
(F) From Europe, according to the Benin 1823 account.
What’s very interesting about these confusing answer choices is that they all claim to be indigenous unlike in the case of the Yorubas where only of them is indigenous.
Only stable minded free born can be convinced with facts. And they have been disillusioned. They are copied below.
Reply to your PS insertion: Throw tantrums all you want lad, there are no earlier (or later) historical citations of indigenous nature which contradicts this indigenous Ife historical account that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife.
I should add also that this indigenous historical account which I cited was actually published about two decades earlier than 2010.
Although I am aware that its year of publication have absolutely no effect since there is nothing earlier (or later) of indigenous nature which contradicts it.
Yes, only one of them (the early 1800s account of Sultan Bello of Sokoto) touches on our subject here. And that is the now popular account which ascribes a Middle Eastern root to Oduduwa.
No, the other sources (and ?date) you’ve noted here did not make any such mention — except one which faintly hinted something along that line. I would touch on that.
The general objective of these authors appears not to be about documenting history, but rather to take note of themes of interest to them while they continue with their exploration of these foreign land.
This appears to explain why there is not a single mention of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Ehemihen, et al. in the notes taken by the early European visitors to Benin.
Having said that, the text which I noted to have faintly hinted something along the line of our discourse here is a 1666 French translation of a text on some Coptic traditions.
This 1666 French pamphlet is cited on pages 153-154 of Louis J. Morié’s “Les Civilisations Africaines Histoire de L’ Éthiopie (Nubie Et Abyssinie),” 1904, first published 1897.
Morié’s citation of this 1666 French pamphlet makes mention of different well-known deified Yoruba heroes by name. In fact, it also specifically mentions the country of origin of one of them by name as follows:
“le roi [b]Chango ..., était, d’après les récits mêmes des noirs, un roi de Kousch, d’où son surnom d’Obba-Kouso, roi de Kousch. Né à Ifé ...”
Translation: “King Shango ..., was, according to the stories of the blacks, a king of Kush, hence his nickname of Oba Koso, king of Kush. Born in Ife[/b] ...”
In the light of the Yoruba traditional account that Shango is strictly patrilineal descended from Oduduwa (Oduduwa’s great-grand son); this Coptic tradition appears then to be the only c.1600 writing hints Oduduwa’s roots to be IFE.
In other words, if this account is anything to go by at all, then it appears that the distant Copts agree with the indigenous account of IFE itself.
Having said that, this account seems in some general way (rather than in specific terms) to bolster the position of the Ooni where it states that this individual of Ife roots (i.e. Shango) once reigned as king in the land of Kush — yes, I know that has nothing to do with the roots of the Ooni, but rather the other war round.
Cheers!
I can't still give a good reason why I love historical proven fact and data.
YauYamba: To be honest, I’m not sure what’s difficult to understand in the simple statement that:
Oba Eweka II wakes up every morning at dawn and proceeds to perform ritual supplications for (1st) the Ooni, (2nd) the Alaafin, (3rd) himself, and (4th) all other Yoruba kings.
Oba Eweka II confessed this piece of information to one of his European visitors, H. L. Ward-Price in the 1920s.
Do I really have to type that out in Edo language for you to understand ?? Really!?
No because, he must do a face-saving visit to other personalities as well in order to veil the actual purpose of his Ife visit.
This would make more sense with the video below.
Moreover, these Benin-to-Ife visits has remained one sided since anyone can remember.
It must always be the Benin kings visiting (aka paying homage to) Ife on their ascensions.
It never happens the other way round. That would be an abominable sacrilege.
Yes, and we know this from Omonoba Ewuare II’s homage-visit a few years ago.
This would also make more sense with the video below.
Well, some of the discussions appears to be that the Omonoba n’Edo is required to pay homage at Orun Oba Ado.
“Orun Oba Ado” is the name of an Ife site believed to have been a resting place of the decapitated heads of certain late Benin kings.
This would also make more sense with the video below. —————————
Check out the following Channels TV News report of the homage-visit of Omonoba Ewuare II:
Go to time-stamp 0:24 to 0:34, and you would find the following words which will answer your foregoing two questions:
“...his first port of call is the palace of the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi — where he also paid homage to all Benin kings believed to have been buried there.”
it probably jumped his mind during his visit to other emir's and the sultan of sokoto . With this said and proven. Who knows, one of his miscreants might be saddled with the responsibility of telling on his next visit.
you've stated Etrusen, I see no reason why even a blind man should ask such question, because it's stated on almost 70% of the post TAO11 has commented on.
ultron12345: What exactly is wrong with a secular school? A secular school is a school that does not identify with any religion, unlike Islamic schools or catholic schools that clearly identify with different religions. There are many secular schools in Nigeria already. What's bad there?
What's bad in teaching Chinese curriculum to kids of Chinese expatriates in Nigeria. Just as American, French, British kids have access to their home country curricula in Nigeria, why can't Chinese kids have same?
If I am president, there will be rapid development, but I will also be a no-nonsense abacha-like president in terms of discipline. Plenty of Nigerians will run away from the country not because of lack of development but because they'll be severely and thoroughly dealt with if they try that their lawless attitude that they're used to. You think I will build road as president then you will go and litter it and go scot free. Or after putting barriers between road and building pedestrian bridges, you will abandon the bridges and destroy the barriers to you can cross the road "quickly". I will deal with such people ruthlessly.
Nigerians will become wealthy and enjoy development and good social amenities but anyone who wants show that their "Nigeria character" will be beaten back into line.
Go and hang wire to tap light or bypass meter under my presidency and see what will happen. You will regret the day you were born .
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the bolded is same with me.
