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CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:04am On Sep 18, 2011
ChinenyeN:
To make scoring easier, I bet.
Everybody wants to get the win grin Changing the conditions in your favor cool
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:00pm On Sep 17, 2011
ChinenyeN:
So now the definition of mixed has switched to African-African? I thought the premise had always been African/Foreigner? Why the switch?
Moving the goal post cool
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 5:25am On Sep 17, 2011
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=227222.msg9163325#msg9163325 date=1316233249]When two people of different origins continues to marry and bear offspring through generations, wouldnt those tho groups be mixed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, havent the Yorubas/Igbos, Hausas/Yoruba, Yorubas/Calabars been marrying for years now. oOf course, you have some people who are "pure" Yorubas (like me) and some who are "pure" Igbos with "no taint".

At the rate everybody is mixing in Nigeria, in 50 yrs from now, what would we call those generations? Or is that not the standard we used to define "mixed" carribeans, i.e Jamaicans?[/quote]When I think of mixed I think Black and White or Asian and White etc. most people wouldn't count a Yoruba and Igbo marriage as mixed because they are of the same race, Black  undecided That's how I look at it huh
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 5:06am On Sep 17, 2011
Like I said I'm not an expert on Asians but that's what they say and what I heard huh
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 4:52am On Sep 17, 2011
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=227222.msg9163240#msg9163240 date=1316229515]I still dont understand how some ppl can say Africans are not mixed. . . . please refer back to your colonial times.

Really, if we're going by looks here, I wonder how you can tell apart a Yoruba man and a Bini man.

Lol Nigeria is soooo mixed thanks to intertribal marriage and trade, so yes there is a mixture of blood within some families and groups. Before colonization forced us under one roof, each group was distinct from another.[/quote]Of course some Africans are mixed Cape Verde people most definitely are an example.
But An Igbo woman and Yoruba man are of the same race, how exactly can one mix?
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 4:49am On Sep 17, 2011
I'll be honest I cant tell Asians apart except for Japanese but there are differences according to Asians,

Japanese tend to be the Fairest while Chinese tend to be slightly tan, Vietnamese Laotian etc tend to be slightly darker than the other two and Indonesia and the Philippines are the tannest of the Asian groups. Then some of them divide by eye creases, they can tell like Nigerians can tell each other apart I guess,
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:50am On Sep 17, 2011
pleep:
nooooooo,  tongue remember what you said? that all light skinned Africans are caused by mixture with other races? that would mean a huge number of Africans are mixed.
i'll admitt a few are, but very few in West Africa & central Africa, and they haven't changed the way the populations look.

But tribe wise, even i am mixed. Ibibio, efik & annang and perhaps igbo(more or less the same blood anyway). Both my parents are Annang, so i don't bring up 5% mixture from 600 yrs ago and call myself mixed.  wink
Lol lord knows we've all been waiting for the 411 on that  grin
Don't hold your breath for those facts though grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:26am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
errm. . .


HEY CHIMA!!  cheesy cheesy grin
Now that we know you know how to use a computer how's about finding those sources  grin lol I love how you are busy correcting my posts yet can't do that simple task lmao, quick step away cheesy
Never seen someone dodge like that cheesy
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:16am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
short time? so you've been watching the time?

anyway, i watched one and two. you're still here. pretty sad.
Yep I'm sad, next line of attack grin Instead of addressing what I said way back when you keep quick steping, that's alright though everybody's got your number its pretty clear now  grin

And even with your knowledge of other languages you have yet to master English cry pobrecita grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:13am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
?? errrrrrrrrm. key word WITH and second. . . i WATCHED PARTS ONE AND TWO OF A MOVIE AND YOU WERE. . .ARE. . .STILL HERE!  grin  grin  grin  grin  grin  grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin

I SAID 'VAMOOS', 'CIAO', 'BYE', 'WAKA PASS' EVEN ASKED WHAT YOU WANTED AND YOU STILL REQUESTED A CONTINUATION of a stale conversation! grin grin

seriously, fly off!
Yes unless I was arguing with a wall you are the with I'm referring to but on second thought the former statement might be true lol
Um yeah I log off and on every now and then, is that a foreign concept? And I doubt you finished part one of Any Nigerian movie in such short time lol who are you fooling shocked grin
Then stop responding to me then. Simple. grin Maybe I sould say this all in Korean or something lol
Lol when you start flying I'll follow cool
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 3:04am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
number one how in the fug[b] [/b] grin can one stalk a goddamn forum?
miss 'supposedly black american' with the answers inform me of this.

the last time i checked you claim to be AA and interested in Nigerian culture.
well unlike you i am not only ON here but showing my interest. You on the other hand
seek ppl out to argue while doing a horrible job masking your lies about being AA.
Do you live in the UK?? hmmmm. i wonder oo  lipsrsealed Anyway I didn't look for OR speak to you,
YOU entered the conversation.  wink

and lastly i pay my internet bills, if i want to post a video of me taking a shiet  grin grin
i have the right to do so as well as type my opinions esp. when it wasn't directed to anyone in particular.
By being on it all the time grin
I read and comment when I feel like it  huh
You've been arguing with me for the past hour even though you said I was not worth your time, so who is seeking out whom grin
Spelling mistakes it happens didn't Nairaland was home of the Grammar Nazis lol cheesy
Nope born and raised in the good 'ol USA
And its the internet if you want private conversation try email grin lmao some people lol
And if you post in a public people have the right to address your comments if you want to take videos of you crapping its your choice too lol am I stopping you? grin And I don't think I ever asked who pays for your internet huh
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 2:46am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
yup. because i got your opinion (tho i wasn't interested in it in the first place).
it didn't change mine and rather than run in circles i called it a day.
seems you still want to chat. abeg waka pass jor.  tongue
Um if you don't want others opinion I suggest you stop posting yours on the internet  grin
Ok then why are you still bothering me then, if you called a day huh

Like I said stop responding to my post and I'll stop responding to yours, like I said if you don't have any facts then keep it moving its not by force you have to talk lol grin
I'm glad you years of stalking Nairaland has improved your pidigin anything constructive you'd like to add? I doubt it grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 2:15am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
come saiyaman let's sing oo!  grin
[size=28pt]"KUMBAYAH MY LORD!  cheesy cheesy KUMBAYAAAAAH!!!"[/size]. . .yeah yeah blah. . .  tongue

LOL @ 'being proud of mixed heritage is a sign of self hatred'.  grin
I guess the whole of the Caribbean/latin America are some self hating baztads!  grin  grin
now that is hilarious! stand up comedian pleep! you are almost funnier than Mike Epps! i might not be all african but i damn sure am proud of who i am and my heritage. just as you can take courses to study our history please believe we can do the same. now run off! oh before you go. . .CATCH!  cheesy

*flings a box of tampons towards pleep* cheesy cheesy

and btw you would look AWESOME with dreads. . .oh wait no! you'd probably get mistaken for a Jamo, and "lawd knowses you dont's wanna be confooosed with us self haytun nigguhz" grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
lol I guess you must be in the mood for singing, all I asked was for some out sources and instead you broke out in song lmao grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:51am On Sep 17, 2011
Anyway, anybody else have opinions on this topic  smiley
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:39am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
right. and looking up slang to back up info is correct i guess.  tongue

ON A FORUM this is how you quote:

this isn't an essay. your posting links is another way to back up claims.
common sense.

disappear from ?? huh
what you want a kumbayah?  grin  grin i should stick around here forhuh?  
please! i DO have a movie to watch! Since you want to chit chat so damn bad,
you ever watch Guilty Pleasures, the nollywood movie? watch it if you don't have anything else to do
maybe then we can discuss something afterwards  tongue
Well its an official document and its a dictionary which are considered credible sources.

I'm asking[b] you[/b] who did you [/b]cite that backs up[b] your claim, is that clearer? And a source that does not come from Nairaland grin

Then go watch you movie, I'm not stopping you huh
I don't want to chat I'm only answering responses made to my post, if you don't want a response then don't quote me?!
Yeah I doubt we have the same taste in films, I'll pass grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:29am On Sep 17, 2011
Anyway does anyone with actual facts and documentation of some sort have anything to add to this conversation smiley
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:23am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
good for you but in case you didn't know i quoted someone who quoted from another source.
thank you though. like i said finding quotes about old patois is nice and educative however it doesn't change my opinion  tongue. glad you accept i have the right to it. alright then. ciao.
You didn't quote anything lol unless you typed up their quote in fine print lol
Like I said even a wrong ill informed opinion has a right to be an opinion lmao grin

I guess this is the part where you disappear as usual  grin

I modify my post to address stuff you said that I may have missed the first time around, and the reason I called your Theory bogus was because you have yet to cite any source other than your own opinion, I can think the sky is purple but until I back it up with facts that say yes it is purple then my opinion is moot grin
Why do I care if you are offended, if you have an argument you should defend it. Simple. 

If you are tired I suggest you go take a nap grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:19am On Sep 17, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
[size=18pt]*yawns*[/size]

it's just like pleep to come right on cue and express his over dramatic outrage.
abeg, try out for nollywood. you MUST come out on top.  tongue albinoism and lightskin are two COMPLETELY different things. futhermore alicia keys is biracial and older than me but because she is older, does that make her more "black than i"?  grin grin

as for you saiyaman. i've already posted my link and stated that i know my belief may be flawed. i never insulted you nor said what i said was TRUTH, did i? so keep trying to find some sort of reason to continue your foolishness and trying to make some sort of alliance with pleep. this is not an argument but rather a chance to share views.

since some folks want to make it a personal thing, i think i'll continue this when the person i was talking to from the beginning returns. i will check out your links but other than that i heard you and am moving on.

update: LMAO  grin informative sources. i still believe in what i've stated before.
Um no offense but your source was Nairaland lol Wikipedia would have been even more scholarly  grin
What are you talking about, are you offended because I challenged your opinion? Is that not how people discuss things or would you prefer for all of to agree with your line of thinking even if it doesn't have much fact beyond "they have to be mixed"

Those sources come from writings of Europeans who actually went to the region which is a lot more credible in my opinion, they documented what they saw.
In addition to a Jamaican English dictionary and writings of the ethnic groups brought to the Caribbean.

Well we all have the right to believe in whatever we like even if its completely false and devoid of fact grin

I'd like you to bring out some sources not from Nairaland please grin grin
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 12:03am On Sep 17, 2011
pleep:
How dare you, this is 100% trash.  What is so hard for people to accept about Africans being light skinned without being mixed with other fuckin races? You do not understand the slave trade, the people who the slavers violated were SLAVES not free people. So the Igbo who ended up becoming mixed all went to the Americas not back to Nigeria.

Look at the picture below. . this is a khoisan man, 100% pure African. How is it that almost all of them got to be light skinned, when they are some of the oldest people of Africa? just because you are mixed doesn't mean we all are. This is getting rediculous.
I have no problem with having different theories of the reason why some Igbo people are light, but the problem is that she is not showing any facts to back up her claims.

At no point in Igbo history was there contact with Arab people nor are there any places for overlap to occur between the two groups.

In addition to that the Igbo practice their own religion until the British arrived, the trend through out Africa is that where Africans and Arabs came in contact they often took up Islam which is the case for much of the sahel of West Africa, why would the Igbo be any different?

The fact that in recording from Europeans they remarked that some Igbo were fair and yellow in appearance, if they were having se.x with Igbo women would they not already know the reason for their looks.

The fact that fair features have cropped up Igbo art for ages before Europeans set foot

And I say this as a Black American woman
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 11:42pm On Sep 16, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
focus nothing. let's not play dumb i was being sarcastic hence my explanation of mentioning tainos thereafter.  tongue
and I quote:

until igbos are DNA tested and/or i can see it documented or video'd on youtube  grin i'll stick to my hypothesis.  smiley
as for the Europeans claiming Igbos had 'yellowish complexion' thing, paste your source please.

ok.
Its called sarcasm

http://books.google.com/books?id=_lmFzFgsTZYC&pg=PA168#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=KGrKMP9AiGsC&pg=PA251&dq=igbo+light+skin&hl=en&ei=nM1zTurJMoKCtgex_Ly7DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=igbo%20light%20skin&f=false

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=igbo+light+skin&btnG=#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=igbo+yellow+skin&pbx=1&oq=igbo+yellow+skin&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=227359l231100l0l231397l13l12l1l0l0l1l1074l5792l0.1.4.1.0.2.1.2l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=49f6548467eb52ff&biw=1366&bih=665

http://books.google.com/books?id=-WA7AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA315&dq=eboe+yellow+skin&hl=en&ei=cc9zTsmdI9C4tge56eiqDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=eboe%20yellow%20skin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oZItAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA369&dq=eboe+yellow+skin&hl=en&ei=cc9zTsmdI9C4tge56eiqDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=eboe%20yellow%20skin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=QAfma-TdZpIC&pg=PA119&dq=eboe+yellow+skin&hl=en&ei=cc9zTsmdI9C4tge56eiqDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=eboe%20yellow%20skin&f=false


I prefer science and figures, some like stories I guess,
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 11:17pm On Sep 16, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
ONE HAS TO BE MUSLIM TO BE OF ARAB DESCENT?! Ok oo. I must read up on TAINO indian customs and change my life style FAST!!! Since one must be of a certain religion to be a descendant of a group. tongue PULEEEZ!!

If you read what most Igbos say on here and off the forum you would understand how i came to my conclusions. Apparently they came from the east and according to this thread. . .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-499496.0.html

this would GUARANTEE that they had contact with what we know as Arabs or Ha-mites.
My support or disbelief in evolution is MY opinion nothing BOGUS about it.  tongue
No the fact of the matter is that when ever Africans came in contact with Arabs they often took up Islam which is why most of the ethnic groups across West Africa who are closest to the Sahara are Muslim (places of contact with Arabs). The reason why Somalis are muslim parts of Ethiopia and so on and so forth,

Focus West Africa and Tainos are two different things huh


Even though genetics which is more credible says otherwise, well ok lipsrsealed I guess a story is proof over DNA science, Even recording by Europeans remarked that some Igbo people had a yellowish color surely since they were rap.ping left and right they would not have noted this,


The origin of the Igbo people is as controversial as that of the Yoruba and the Bini. There are so many versions and it is very difficult to say which is the most acceptable.
The biggest tip off not to take anything as true and whole fact,
CultureRe: Complaints And Notice Thread. Be Serious! by saiyaman: 9:54pm On Sep 16, 2011
michelin89:
Give me the links on this section where he made racist comments.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-759038.0.html#msg9140997
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 9:41pm On Sep 16, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
actually it is due to mixture. all of the ppls you listed have a history of mingling with and intermixing with arab ppls or their descendants such as the fulani and the woodabi ppl. depending on whom you ask arabs themselves are mixed (a form of black) so therefore to some ppl it is not interracial but rather ethnic mixing  tongue.

either way the bloodline is not 100 percent pure however they (light skinned folks) are not any less african than you or i as the [color=indigo]skin color is only chosen randomly from the gene pool as you stated[/color]. however i don't believe in evolution or 'adaptation' but rather in mixing.

Much of the mixing occurred prior to the act of recording or taking notes which is waaaaay down the line hence the acceptance of the different shades even prior to slavery which only became an issue once whites and arab traders capitalized on it to divide groups and make profit. African and Arab interaction is as old as time. This is noted even with the issue of slavery as Arabs took in African women for wives and the men for soldiers or servants and vice versa. Also many trans-Atlantic slaves were dedicated muslims and also ranged in different hues depending on where they came from - again places where there was more arab interaction/influence.
Ethiopians are not mixed if anything Arabs came from out of the area and not into it,
Do you have any proof for the mixing or do you assume that every black African should be three shades midnight to be a true African, if people could leave out of Africa and become lighter it is very likely for those same conditions to occur in Africa. The South East has portions of it that is heavily forested, its possible that created the need for lighter skin to maximize the available light to create Vitamin D

The fact that Igbo people are not Muslim is the biggest flaw, how can most groups that have come in contact with Arabs become Muslim but the Igbo?
And what area are you assuming Igbo people to have previously lived in to even come in Contact with Arabs.
The fact you don't believe evolution occurs makes your theory pretty bogus  undecided
CultureRe: Igbo People Being 'light', Is It Exaggerated? by saiyaman: 2:57am On Sep 16, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
[color=indigo]light skinned africans are the result of mixing[/color]. it doesn't make them any less african but they are.

my bf's mother is light skinned and his father dark in complexion. On his mother's side they are light due to a certain "ancestor" who himself was light skinned in complexion due to having African AND Arab blood.

you'll find light skinned africans in areas that historically speaking was involved in the slave trade or had
dealings with arabs hence difference in hair texture, religion and language. Igbos are no exception
but from my understanding MAJORITY of the Igbos are dark skinned.
No not really, Hausa people have slight Arab ancestry and often darker than Southerners from the pictures I've seen, so it not left to admixture, climate, diet, and plenty of other things can cause melanin count to be higher and lower in some groups.

Monalisa Chinda is light and Igbo not because admixture but because somewhere along the line one of her ancestors adapted the trait for lighter skin. The San people are their color because something may have caused the need for that adaptation.

Quite a few Ethiopians are fair in complexion and time and time again there is no sign of admixture, so its not always being mixed,

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