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redsun:Relax, they aren't coming to Nigeria. In any case, what do you think would happen if all black people around the world were suddenly told to pack up and move to Africa? Contrary to what some here want to believe, many are happy in the countries they find themselves and don't want to come to Africa based on colour. |
Pendo, you tried, girl. Looks like it's on to Plan C! ![]() |
paniki:You are so right about that. These guys didn’t go through the transition with the rest of us and their minds are still stuck in the pre-94 days. They only hear the bad things and have never experienced or even want to acknowledge the good. I’ve heard that there are even some of those chicken runners who still fly the old flag. They were telling people abroad not to come to the World Cup and other bs. We are working here together for a better future while they are over there undermining us, but probably believing that they are patriotic in doing this. They should be focusing on forming business partnerships etc with SA from wherever in the world they are now. That would at least be beneficial. |
RSA:RSA, have you not seen that most of the people protesting this bill are black? This isn’t a racial thing. It’s not “anti government” either. It’s the media’s job to criticize the government. This is true the world over. Look at how the US mainstream media has let down the public. Think back to the old days here and how lack of media freedom damaged this country. They can’t destroy anyone with lies if you have the truth on your side. What is this “black government” stuff anyway? They aren’t the “black government”. They’re the South African government. Period. |
paniki:I agree with that. |
Horus:Which article? The original post doesn't mention the black population %. How can it be propaganda? Many are coming back. In any case, why are people so hung up on the numbers? ![]() |
morpheus24:Morpheus, the ones who left in the early and mid 90s where part of the chicken run. Since then it has been mostly about finding employment so they can feed their families. I’m not worried about being “butchered”. South Africans aren’t a bunch of blood thirsty savages. The vast majority just want to live together in peace and are proud of this country. paniki:You know, there is even that feeling amongst whites about this. There is a bit of resentment towards the chicken runners, because they didn't have the faith in SA to stay. However, I am glad that people are bringing needed skills back into the country that can create even more opportunity for all of us. Apart from that I never liked the idea of so many South Africans spread across the world. Especially Afrikaner people, because of that part of our history where about 25 000 men where forcibly send away from here by the English. But even if it were other races I would still feel the same. I just feel that we are all a part of one another at the end of the day and I want us all to live in peace together. paniki:Yes, I also think it was closer to 6 million back then. As for the black population jumping from 30 to 40 million, that also has a lot to do with the large Zimbabwean community in SA. Aren't there officially around 3 million of them living here? |
sa_lassie:The above is a well known old Cree saying. BlackLibya:BlackLibya, it is very sad. This lack of respect for nature will lead to our own extinction one day. Here in SA we are having a crises with our rhinos being poached mercilessly. I don’t even know what the exact number is so far for 2011, but I know we have passed the 300 mark in dead rhinos this year alone. People from China and Vietnam are behind it as there are still some people in those countries who believe that rhino horn cures cancer and impotency. They are very sophisticated in their poaching methods; helicopters and night vision goggles etc. It kills me every time I watch the news and see that yet another rhino has been murdered. They even kill the little babies. It’s heart wrenching to watch one of these magnificent beasts fighting to stay alive after being poached. Most die. You can find footage on youtube, but don’t watch it if you are already feeling down. |
eGuerrilla:eGuerrilla, that's exactly what I was thinking when I read this post. panafrican:Panafrican, the problem with that map is that it assumes the rainforest will still be there in 100 years. |
BlackLibya:Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will you realise that you can’t eat money |
White007:Giving kids names like that is a form of child abuse in itself. tyson55:I hope they change their names. They can't go through life like that. |
BlackLibya, I know what you are saying with this and I agree with most of it. However, when it comes to SA it is still new for black farmers to do so on a large scale. As you well know, they didn’t have ownership to the land before. In any case, the fact still remains that 24 African countries are desperate for our farmers. Why do you think they are looking outside their countries? BTW, Congo is one of the countries offering them opportunities. |
stmarc32:If someone has a roof over their head, a pc and access to the internet then the rest of their circumstances can’t be as desperate as it is for those who really have nothing to call their own and who need help. stmarc32:What’s stopping you and others on here from starting your own website? Be the change you want to see, right? stmarc32:Stmarc, I understand that. I know the US is a difficult place to be. Why make it harder though? This guy I mentioned was talking about how he wishes he could move to Africa. How is that ever going to happen for him if he remains uneducated and unemployed by choice? If someone gave him a ticket to Nigeria tomorrow, do you think he will be part of the solution or the problem? I felt sad for this guy. We had some communication (you know friend of a friend thing) when he asked me some things about Ethiopia. He is struggling to find his place in the world. The hunger is there, but he is tripping all over himself. stmarc32:Why are you calling them caricatures? Are you telling me you are basing this on some observations you made while you passed through an SA airport? Do you have any idea how many white waiters and waitresses there are all over this country? It’s nothing unusual at all. “Wide white” eyes? If you came here I would drive you to where white women are openly being pimped by your Nigerian brothers. If that were all someone saw of our two cultures, do you think it would be fair to say all white women here are prostitutes and all Nigerians pimps? As for the place reeking with hatred, you are reading into it what you wish to see. I live here and interact with all races everyday. Reeking with hatred? Sir, you don’t know my countrymen and women at all. More than that you grossly underestimate us. stmarc32:Stmarc, it’s an international airport. People are stressed and rushing around, hoping to get and drink their coffee in the 10 minutes they have before they have to board. I don’t like that place either and have had some scenes myself (a certain airline I refuse to fly since 2005). People are rude there. Airports are not happy places. stmarc32:Yes, that’s true. What is being done to put a stop to this? Apart from killing each other which certainly is one solution but hardly ideal. It is in your own hands now. What can be done to unite your country? Are ordinary people actually talking to one another and addressing these issues? Talking is something that has helped SA on a lot, especially on the very early 90s right after Madiba was released. stmarc32:Stmarc, it is a big difference between hundreds of years ago and today. Farming to sustain your village is very different from farming to sustain a country. White farmers have been passing their skills down for generations and going to university to study agriculture. It’s not something that simply comes together. It’s a hard life that. Do you know about the recent draughts here? Black farmers are learning and some are already doing very well for themselves and are now even standing side by side with white farmers in demanding that the government change regulations. Do you know that currently 24 African countries are actively trying to get our farmers to bring their skills to their countries? Black and white farmers. The initiatives are so tempting that they are now starting to farm in those countries. It’s not only the actual production, but also valuable skills that will be shared. This is how it should be. We should be sharing our knowledge with one another. stmarc32:Ah JuJu. You need to tell me exactly what you are referring to with that. He has said and done a lot of things that have gotten him attention. I’m actually suffering from JuJu withdrawal. stmarc32:Why does this surprise you? I have been trying to tell forumers this all along. Please don’t see enemies where there are actually friends. stmarc32:That is just offensive, Stmarc. Do you think I live in a cocoon over here? Maybe you only read what I was writing about last night and drew conclusions from that. I’ve been listening to everyone talk about how white men held them back. Why has no one shared stories of how they and others are improving their lives as a counter argument? Everyday South Africans are working to improve the country. What kind of initiatives are there in Nigeria? Please tell me about them. |
morpheus24:Morpheus, I got curious and did a translate on that. I will give it 5/10. It's not bad, but messes up a bit and can't seem to get the double negative right and throws it out completely. Thanks for explaining it. The first time I met Nigerians was in the 1990s when the country was just starting to open up and it was something new for us all. Those guys were nice, but we lost contact over time. I find that Nigerians are aggressive as you say. I am mostly impressed by the high debating standards on here. The aggression part is a bit off putting. We can be like that too in SA, but maybe it does not feel quite as aggressive coming from one of your own. The Africans I know and love best after SA are the Kenyans. I am fortunate to have made friends with many of them over the years. I am sure there are mean Kenyans out there, but I've yet to meet a Kenyan I didn't like. I feel an instant connection with them. They are a very gentle and hospitable people. Nigerians can be intimidating in comparison. ![]() |
Morpheus, thanks. I hope this settles it. But you still haven't answered my questions! ![]() |
cap28:The old you-don’t-sound-like-a-white-person thing again. I’ve heard it my whole life even when standing right in front of the people saying it. Apart from the Nigerian part, nothing new. IRL people are always asking what part of the Middle East I’m from. I’m me. I’m an individual. I think for myself. I’m going to skip over the parts where you address me as a Nigerian, because you really are wrong about that. I hope you will read everything and not be selective in what I write as some have been. I was not and am not attacking you. I am trying to get to know you. cap28:Cap, I’m glad you realize that not all white people think the same. I am well aware of what those governments are doing all over Africa. If you have paid attention to my posts you would know that I too am enraged by it. morpheus24:No, you haven’t being paying attention to what I’ve said. I know what NATO is. I don’t support them at all. It’s people assuming that I do just because of my skin that is upsetting to me. cap28:OK, just to be clear then. You are saying you don’t hate whites? You are talking about the governments etc? cap28:I have always noticed a lot of anger in black Africans that have been away from the continent for a long time. I’m beginning to understand you a bit better. This is not sarcasm. cap28:Cap, this is what gets to me about Africa. How much longer are we going to allow Africa to be manipulated? Shouldn’t we all be standing proudly on our own in Africa? When do you think you will be able to come back and are you doing something that is preparing you to contribute positively to your country? I believe that change starts with individuals. The so called “little people” like you and me. The whole world is made up mostly of “little people”. I want us to stand up and be part of a change that will be positive for all of us. First starting in our individual countries and then moving outward and building relationships with other Africans. I’m trying to get to know you as a fellow African. cap28:Like I’ve said before, I don’t judge you on that if indeed you don’t hate all white people. But can you understand that there are even white Africans who have been forced to seek work abroad and are also struggling over there and just want to come home one day too? We are white not European. We don’t belong there either. They probably do treat us a bit better than they would a black African, but trust me they are not that fond of us either (speaking from experience). We too have to deal with the hostile “what are you doing in this country” crap. cap28:Yes, my ancestors came here 350 years ago to find a better life. Yes, they fought black Africans. This is the story of the world. People migrated all over. No one is denying the loss of life. There are black people whose ancestors were taken by force to these new worlds, but they (descendants) are loyal to the countries they find themselves in now. Can you accept that this can be the same for white Africans? At least we had the guts to fight black Africans man to man. The English were hiding in the bushes most of the time waiting for it to be over before they would swoop in and fight the exhausted victors and take the land from both groups. By the way black and Afrikaner women and children died by the tens of thousands of starvation and disease in English concentration camps. It was an English woman who brought it to the world’s attention. If your ancestors had been the ones to go Europe, you probably would be saying it was the Europeans fault that they couldn’t stop them. I can’t change the past. This is where I am now and I am not moving to the West. I am white, but I am not one of them. I realize that this is probably hard for black people to understand. You were torn from Africa. We chose to leave Europe. We wanted to be here. Our loyalty is here not with Europe. cap28:No, I don’t. I don’t view them with love either. That’s why it is insulting when some on here assume I am one of them based on colour. cap28:Cap, I do. We are sitting here behind our computers. We don’t know each other IRL. Believe me please when I tell you that I do ask the hard questions of whites too. I do see both sides. I do understand the points you are making and thank you for taking the time to make them. What I want to know from you – as a black man you can tell me – what is holding you back? Yes, I read what you wrote above. What I want to know is what is your plan for a better future? Look, I know black Africans can make their countries succeed. That’s why I get angry. I know you can do it. I want you to do it. What are the practical steps that will lead to a better Africa? I was listening to a group of black SA students recently. What stuck with me was when they said that they don’t want to be talkers. They want to be doers and create new opportunities that will benefit themselves and others. Each of us should look around and create new opportunities, because that stuff doesn’t just show up on our doorsteps. cap28:I’m not sure which media outlets exactly you a referring to when you say “white supremacist western media”. If you are referring to the Western media, of course they are biased. The media in the US particularly are a disgrace. They have bowed down to the right in a misguided believe that they are being patriotic in doing so. I always try to network with people from around the world and this is one of the reasons. Talking to the people directedly reveals much more than we get from these media outlets. The internet is a powerful tool. Many are using it to get the truth out. This is one way the “little people” can fight back. cap28:I don’t deny the role of the Christian church. I am not and never have been a Christian though. cap28:Right and this is what scares me too. So what can we do about it? Libya has been thrown wide open, Somali remains a mess (did you hear how the British easily went in there recently to get a hold of a “tribal” leader. A long way from the Black Hawk down days, huh?). US troops are in Uganda and have said they might (translation later will be “we never said we wouldn’t”) move into at least 3 other African countries from there. That covers the north, the east and central parts. The west is not yet completely open. If Nigeria can’t get its act together we will all be in trouble. For instance, just think of the millions of Nigerians that will show up on SA shores. We can’t accommodate that. So then SA will become the next domino. Then the south becomes open too. Are you having constructive conversations with people in the UK about this? You are in a position to do something from there. Are you networking with all of those who don’t want their countries interfering with Africa? If not, then you need to get to work on that right away. Educate them about what is going on so they can mobilize themselves. Most people in the UK really don’t want this as they know it will only increase their problems in the long run. cap28:Because he is British. Because it’s his home. Anyway, this is one of the millions of “little people” I am talking about. These are the people we should be building relationships with if we want to stop their governments. You can see in the US how a movement can spread all over the country. Cap, when I first came on here it was to reply to a post of yours about white people’s opinions of blacks. I hope you really took in what I told you and didn’t simply dismiss it. I’m trying to get to know Nigerians (I haven’t had much contact with West and central Africans). I don’t know exactly what you have experienced in life, but I do offer you my understanding as much as one can understand another person’s journey. What I need to know is that you can accept that I too want what is best for this continent. I hope this is the start of some constructive conversations between us. And yes, I really am white. I can’t help that anymore than you can being black. So here we are. Please let’s try to get to know each other. (Stmarc, I will have to get back to you later. Out of leisure time for now) |
morpheus24:Morpheus: OK. Ek is verbaas dat jy my nou skielik ook nie wil glo nie. Ek het gedog ons was besig om mekaar te leer ken. Wat kan ek se? Ja, ek is regtig net n gewone „common“ (soos die Engelse ons noem) Afrikaaner. Ek is net nuuskierig oor een ding: hoekom glo jy my nie? Soos ons se „dit maak my sommer diep die moer in“, maar dis OK want ek like jou nogal. Ek weet daar is baie bedonnerde mense op the net wat troll en kak aan jaag, maar ek is nie een van hulle nie. Ek weet nie wat ek nog kan se om jou te oortuig nie. ![]() |
stmarc32:This is why I excluded the impoverished. I want to know what is holding a black guy in Nigeria back who has a roof over his head and internet access from improving his country? Women were held back too, but we have made a lot of progress. stmarc32:Of course I am aware of this. What is stopping people from taking control of their own destinies? What of those black people in the US who deliberately hold themselves back. Stmarc32, I'll give you an example of something I encountered on FB recently that really got my blood boiling. A black American on his page boasting about how he dropped out of high school because he didn't want a white education, refuses to work because he won't work for a white country, refusing to even bathe because that is a "white thing". Meanwhile he has kids and is on welfare. By the comments I could tell that his friends are doing the same. How is this not self-sabotage? If the opportunities are there, damnit take them. Once you have reached a certain level of success you can actually implement changes. stmarc32:There have been comments aimed directly at me. I get that people are upset, but where does it get one in life to carry all that hatred around? I know how much energy that takes and it's not worth it. It doesn't take you forward, it holds you back. stmarc32:What exactly are these caricatures you are refering to? What did the workers say that made you come to that conclusion? Seems to me we are much further along in SA than Nigeria where people are still having "tribal" and even religious issues. stmarc32:We have learned from the mistakes of other African countries. These things weren't taken from white people because black people didn't yet have the skills. BTW, there are a lot of land - some willingly handed over by whites - that is simply laying to waste today. Black farmers came, evicted the black labourers, and soon found they lacked the skills to make a success of it. Currentlywhite farmers are involved (without receiving anything in exchange) in teaching them the necessary skills and things are improving. We are doing things our way in SA and whether you want to believe it or not, we are all moving forward. I actually think that some Africans are upset that SA is succeeding! |
I know a guy that got scammed in Eastern Europe as well. He suspected that it wasn’t real before he left, but the photos he got was of a hot young thing and her letters were so “sweet” that he just couldn’t contain himself. He ended up losing money he could ill afford to part with in the first place (he was already unemployed!). Guys, be careful. tyson55:He was embarrassed. |
naira2011:Yes, I know about that research and it is much more recent than that. Not all white people are evil and involved in these things just as not all Nigerians are drug lords. We should be reaching out to those ordinary people in the West who just want to live in peace like the rest of us but are stuck with evil governments etc. Alienating them will only make things harder for everyone. People power. |
Stmarc32 and naira2011, thanks for your replies. I understand the history of how back people came to those places and being ripped away from their cultures. I was talking about those on here who so actively hate white people yet have no problem migrating to predominantly white countries. There are some people here who are really seething with hatred. Not just towards white people, but even their fellow Nigerians. The other thing I don’t understand is why struggling white Africans are criticized by them when they are forced by circumstances to go work abroad. Yet when a black person does the same its OK. stmarc32:Of course not. I get why people migrate to those places. It's the haters that make no sense. If they hate the West so much, how can they stand living in those countries? stmarc32:Yes, white people have it generally better. All this crying some do here about being black won’t get them anywhere though. They are black. So what? Are they imbeciles? Are they blind? Are they living in an impoverished and remote village? What is the excuse for a black man not being able to survive in his own black country? How does it improve their lives to spend so much time hating white people and blaming them for every failure in their personal lives? This thing about assuming that being white means you get an automatic pass in life and all is smooth sailing really annoys me. I had to interrupt my university studies 3 times because of lack of money. I could afford my prescribed books that first year and never again after that. Yet I managed to get distinctions in all my courses except one. It was frustrating and even depressing to see other people spending enough money in one day that could have covered an entire year’s worth of tuition for me! I didn’t allow myself to sit in a corner and cry “boo hoo poor me.” I hate these damn sob stories. Life doesn’t owe any of us anything. Three years ago I made a career change. I’ve been struggling so hard. I don’t have a husband or partner to help carry the burden. If I get sick I will have to go to the horror that is our state hospitals, because I can’t afford medical aid at this point. Over the past 3 years my income has steadily increased which is encouraging considering the economic climate. It’s far from where I want it to be, but I am getting there. You’ll notice that I keep odd hours. That's because I am working like mad. Tomorrow will be exactly a month ago since I got more than 3 hours sleep a night. I’m tired in every way, but I’m not feeling sorry for myself. Why is it so hard to understand that even white people struggle to get somewhere in life? That we don't all have contacts and rich families? Worst of all is that when I do get to a good place financially, these haters will verbally attack me for that. As for the references to Libya. There's a reason why I have avoided getting into long discussions about that, but I like my anonymity and don't want to spill my guts on here for all the world to read. Believe me I'm in pain about what happened/is happening there. Man, I am so damn proud of black South Africans who have come so far in only 17 years. They are not sitting around hating and feeling sorry for themselves like some on NL. They are working everyday to make their lives and this country a better place which is the common goal that holds us together. This makes me want to go out and buy an even bigger flag, but it’s 5:50am and the shops aren’t open yet. naira2011:I too am hoping for a power shift. Yes, bless Africa and all that wish her well! |
cap28:@Cap28 this begs the question: since you hate white people so much, why are you in the UK? I honestly don’t understand what people are doing in these very countries that they hate. I very deliberately have avoided setting foot in England. I’ve gotten an offer to work in the US (not because I’m white! Please!), but I’ve turned it down because there is no way I want to be a part of that society. I'd rather struggle in my own country than live well in theirs. So why are so many white haters in the US, Europe, Australia and NZ? My beef with them is political, but for some of you guys it is both that and racial. Honest question guys. I don’t get it. It would be humiliating for me to be there. Why are you there? |
Negro_Ntns:By that logic, black people in the US and Europe should be desirous and agitating for white acceptance and approval, they should be rolling and stepping over one another to be identified as white. . . they should be striving to mix blood with the white and blank out the blackness coloration of their skin? This is twisted for this reason: you expect black people to be proud of their colour, but other races should identify as black – even if they aren’t – so you as the majority won’t feel threatened by the minority? That makes no sense at all. If I started saying “I’m black” . . . wow I bet you would be the first to throw a tantrum. In any case, I actually like being a minority. Yes, really. There are only about 0.60% white Africans. I consider it a privilege to be a part of this continent. BTW, why should any race be erased? |
eGuerrilla:Brazilians have told me this many times over the years. Funny how they usually lower their voices when they share this info. I guess they don’t want to damage the “rainbow nation” image Brazil has. That’s something I love about SA. We have our racial problems, but we don’t try to sweep them under the rug. There’s always something in the news which then gets people talking in their pubs, at work etc. It gets tiring, but it’s good for us to keep talking about these things so we can keep moving forward together.A.D.M.:Of course not. I think what Morpheus is saying (correct me if I’m wrong!) is simply that Brazilians are very mixed. A.D.M.:One guy will identify more with his black roots while another will feel closer to his Indian roots. Like you've said, it is their business. Brazilians are very mixed. They don’t suffer from all those taboos the US has. All I know is that I love all my Brazilian friends. The % don’t matter to me. They would be even more mixed if white men hadn’t kept their own women under lock and key like property. Just saying! https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif |
morpheus24: Good one, Morpheus. |
martinosi:snip Yet I haven't immigrated to any of those places unlike the "many Nigerians" you speak of. martinosi:Then why go? Question their loyalty to Africa before you start attacking me for staying. martinosi:No, they won't. In fact, they don't even want white South Africans anymore. They have all made it extra hard for South Africans to go there and those who are there are not welcomed "with open arms". In fact, many are miserable and starting to come back home. martinosi:Like all those "many Nigerians" you know who have migrated abroad? And no, I personally don't know many white people that have left SA. martinosi:Spare me that massive chip on your shoulder. martinosi:You assume that all white people here are rich? I wish, because I sure could use a bit of finacial security in my life. Come here and you will see even white people begging on the streets and applying for RDP houses. martinosi:I don't know what you are even on about here.^ As for your previous comment about what the US and Europe have done for Africa. Ask one of them to tell you about all the charity that's come from those places to Africa. I don't want them to do anything to us or for us. I would rather we do something with them that is mutually beneficial. If you want to stand before them with your hat to your chest, your eyes cast downward and your hand cupped, then go ahead and perpetuate every bad image they already have of Africa. See where the dignity is in that. Martinosi, this is the last time I'm replying to you. You've been hostile and rude to me across the forum. If you remember your manners and want to have a constructive conversation, then do so. Until then, I have nothing more to say to you. |
martinosi:Holy Joe! Martinosi, are you still following me around like a love sick schoolboy? I already told you we are too different. I’m not into angry rude guys. Cure yourself of your crush, sir, and try to stay on topic. |
cap28:Yes, that’s true. To give some additional info regarding this. al-Qadhdhāfī wore this during a visit to Italy where he met with Berlusconi. BTW, al-Qadhdhāfī’s favourite movie was Lion of the Desert which featured Anthony Quinn as Omar Mukhtar. Pretty good movie. Maybe it can be ordered online somewhere. If you’ve ever been to Libya, then you would have seen this movie many many times on state TV. ![]() Beaf:He was eccentric, flamboyant and had a very healthy ego. However, he was also very outspoken and was never too timid to call the Arab leaders out on their faults. Nor was he afraid to call out the West on its hypocrisy. Love him or hate him, an important voice has been silenced forever. igbo2011:Finding news outlets that are unbiased is a full time job indeed! |
cap28:I am well familiar with his 2009 speech to the UN. Thank you for pointing it out here. The veto right is a major issue that needs to be addressed and solved. S. America and Africa has no one on the permanent council to protect our interests. I remember spending almost 2 days of my life listening to diplomats debate this very matter at the UN. All agreed that it needed to be changed (well, the US was not enthusiastic). That was over a decade ago. Where’s the change? kestare:Occupy the UN for a start. |


Out of leisure time for now)
Wat kan ek se? Ja, ek is regtig net n gewone „common“ (soos die Engelse ons noem) Afrikaaner. Ek is net nuuskierig oor een ding: hoekom glo jy my nie? Soos ons se „dit maak my sommer diep die moer in“, maar dis OK want ek like jou nogal.
Ek weet daar is baie bedonnerde mense op the net wat troll en kak aan jaag, maar ek is nie een van hulle nie. Ek weet nie wat ek nog kan se om jou te oortuig nie. 
