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Official SA government info about visas can be found here:

http://www.dha.gov.za/Applying%20for%20a%20South%20African%20visa.html

igbo2011:
Yes as long as he won't sell out to the Africans and look down on black Africans. Treats everyone fair and he fights against the foreign evil powers then he can join too.

Of course. Look, I've got nowhere else to go. No dual citizenship, no other passport, no residency or work permit elsewhere. No family roots outside SA. This is home. Being loyal to any other place would be beyond foolish.

igbo2011:
Gadadafi was a Berber and he tried to unite Africa with one common language, currency, central bank, monetary fund.

Yes, exactly.

morpheus24:
Unfortunately you are talking to hard headed militants who view the world as a "survival of the fittest" paradigm where its us against them

Yes, this is what we were discussing a few days ago. I'm not going to allow myself to be dragged into all of that. Better to be part of the solution than to be the problem.

martinosi:
U need to really think very well before you post here. I take it you must ne white or mixed race or something else than African and[b] when i say african i meaan you are not North african or black african [/b]becuase if you were you would no very well not to come on a African forum and post the way you do!!!

It’s unfortunate that you can’t look beyond colour. I see your reactions to all my posts have been confrontational and condescending. We are obviously in very different places in our lives. I love that there are so many races and ethnic groups in Africa (and the world). I would like to get to know those people on this forum who feel the same. Those who don’t can ignore me.

martinosi:
The Americans and Europeans were the one ones that f**ked it up to begin with, i beginning to wonder concerning you. Where have you been since 2011 began on Jan 1st on another planet

I never said they weren't responsible.

"Look up! Look up! The clouds are lifting, the sun is breaking through. We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world. A kind new world where men will rise above their hate and brutality.
The soul of man has been given wings, and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow, into the light of hope, into the future, that glorious future that belongs to you, to me and to all of us. Look up. Look up."

Share some of the writings etc that uplift you.

There's so much despair and anxiety in the world right now, I thought I'd share this with you all.

The movie clip can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaq62VCcnew&feature=related
It's worth watching if you aren't already familiar with it or haven't seen it in a while.


"I'm sorry but I don't want to be an Emperor, that's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another, human beings are like that. We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.

The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate;
has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in:
machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical,
our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little:
More than machinery we need humanity;
More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aero plane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say "Do not despair".

The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress: the hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish. . .

Soldiers: don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you and enslave you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you as cattle, as cannon fodder.

Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate, only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers: don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty.

In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written:
"The kingdom of God is within man"
Not one man, nor a group of men, but in all men; in you, the people.

You the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy let's use that power, let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age and security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfill their promise, they never will. Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfill that promise. Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

Soldiers! In the name of democracy, let us all unite!"

~ Charlie Chaplin (1940)

"Also power can be used oppressively when powerful countries partner with few elites/leaders from less developing country/countries to exploit their own people."
This is a key issue.

"As I look through the vision and ahead of Africa I am filled with a sense of risk and hopelessness emerging in the next century. Look: not only wars that is depopulating Africans but also the plague of HIV/Aids is gradually wiping our ‘race’ in this part of the continent Look at how HIV/Aids have infected our brothers and sisters and children in Ghana, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Kenya and Soweto."
I share the author's sense of risk, but I'm not filled by hopelessness as he is. Not that I can deny that despair about the state of this continent washes over me ever so often. I’m struggling in so many ways myself. Sometimes I just want to put my hands up in the air and say ”That’s it, I’ve finally had enough. I’m out of here.” Then I find myself remembering that scene in Blood Diamond where Danny(Leo DiCaprio) talks about leaving Africa. The colonel takes sand and pours it over Danny’s hand and says “This red earth, it’s in our skin. The Shona say the color comes from all the blood that’s been spilled fighting over the land. This is home. You’ll never leave Africa.” I’ll never leave either. Travel to other countries, yes. I enjoy learning about and experiencing other cultures, but this is home. Most of us will never leave. Despite everything, I still believe that Africa is the land of tomorrow. We have riches like oil, gold, diamonds, uranium etc., but these are not our most precious resource. Our people are. We need to learn how to harvest our various talents and work together for the betterment of all. If we allow ourselves to be filled with a sense of hopelessness, then we’ve already lost that bright future that I really do believe can be ours.

"The horrors keep coming upon us based on our own destruction and neglect."
I agree with this.

Side note: whenever I see anything to do with Ghana, I think of its 2010 World Cup football team. That match against the USA was one of the best of the tournament. Pity that they were robbed in their following match. Nevertheless, they made Africa proud. The Black Stars.
https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sport004.gif

Afro_Blue:
Yes I know there are various races that call the continent home

Afro_Blue, sorry if it appeared like I was pointing a finger at you. It's the quote itself I was referring to. I'm sure a lot of these writers themselves don't mean to create division. My point is that we need to be more conscious of this matter.

Afro_Blue:
his question is how did some progress far above the majority of the region

I’m the “some” and not the “majority” of the region. As such my simplified theory (it’s late and I’m tired) is this. When our ancestors came to Africa they wanted to make a break from Europe. They couldn’t do this without reaching a certain level of independence first, ie they had to learn to stand on their own in a land that was foreign to them at the time. There was a sense of urgency. You can see this even in our modern times. For example, a lot of Greeks came to SA during the late 1960s and 1970s. This is a hard working community that has since done well for itself. I see this same determination in our Somali community. These guys can’t go back home. As a result they are working hard and are even resented by some locals due to their success (I won’t get into that discussion here). Even our locals working abroad work even harder there than they do here. They have to, because of that feeling of being on their own. Why have Africa’s majority not progressed to the same degree? I will leave it to the majority to share their opinions. I think the issues of leadership and unity ought to be a major part of such a discussion though.

Those reptiles and aliens look equally impressive – and scary! I wouldn’t want to be that woman in the first picture. https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien009.gif

panafrican:
Some reports said Ms Shankar, who was on her way from a conference, was singled out because she was wearing a sari.

This is because the Americans continue to discriminate against Muslims and Arab Muslims in particular. It seems that most of them can’t even tell an Indian from an Arab. I know of two Indian ladies that had a bad experience in the US after 9/11 when they were holidaying there. Both were wearing saris when an obese woman approached them from out of nowhere and demanded they show her their papers. They asked who she was and why they should show her their passports etc. She said she had a right to see it because she’s American. A plain American citizen demanding such a thing! They refused and informed her that they are Indian nationals. Her reply was “you people are all the same”. She demanded again to see their papers and when they refused, she called one of her equally obese friends over to keep an eye on them while she went looking for a police officer. They continued on their way, but this other woman kept walking right behind them. https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif

igbo2011:
@cap28
The thing is that this can happen to Nigeria anytime. The US army can instigate and give weapons to Boko Haram to cause a civil war then go to the niger delta and steal oil and leave. They can even give weapons to MEND so they can fight Boko Haram too. This will leave many dead

Yup. They exploit to their advantage all those things that divide us. While we’re killings one another, they are running away with the loot. When people say “Africans are s.tupid” this is the kind of thing they are talking about. It’s bad enough what other countries have done to this continent, but it’s a disgrace what we’ve done to one another and consequently to ourselves. We are so damn cruel – one way or another we all have blood on our hands. Truly, we are our own worst enemies.

igbo2011:
We need to have all foreign military leave, we should handle Boko Haram ourselves.

I agree. Africa needs to deal with its own problems. We should never welcome the boots of foreign soldiers on African soil. These people come here with their own agendas and not out of the goodness of their hearts.

igbo2011:
The Chinese bringing infrastructure,

I agree that the future of Africa is in closer cooperation with China. However, we need to be sure that we have all the proper regulations in place so we don't get exploited. Remember, China is loyal to itself first and foremost.

Afro_Blue:
supplement ,



The Black Race: A Ghanaian Perspective

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=223397


" The Black race has retrogressed to the point of dependency with little to no creativity to show. Africans cannot solve their own conflicts without getting their former colonial masters involved! Africans cannot feed their own children without asking the White man for aide. Africans cannot develop their respective countries without going to the White man to borrow. It seems that Africans cannot even develop Africa without the permission from the White man. And the question is; why? What sets the Black man apart from the White man? Aren’t both of them human beings? Or, is one higher than the other?"

I realize this a Ghanaian perspective and as it says about the “black race”. What I dislike is this notion that being African is synonymous with being black. Africa is a geographical location. It’s not a race or ethnic group. There are Arabs, Berbers and whites amongst others. When someone talks about “black Africans”, then they are referring to the black people of Africa. When they say “Africans” that means all of us. Not recognizing this only leads to further division when we should be striving for unity.

morpheus24, good quote.

My personal favourite

https://zar.co.za/images/bio/biko/biko8.jpg

So as a prelude whites must be made to realize that they are only human, not superior. Same with blacks. They must be made to realize that they are also human, not inferior. – Steve Biko

Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo, Govan Mbeki, Thabo Mbeki, Chris Hani, Raymond Mhlaba, Bantu Holomisa - all from the Eastern Cape. https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy096.gif https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy105.gif

It hurts so bad to look at this. Libya was such a beautiful and clean place. The people were all very welcoming to South Africans. I can only imagine how they will treat us now and my opinion of them has been seriously damaged. I can’t even imagine going back there. This really upsets me. Wait till the Americans and Europeans come to rebuild Libya . . .

On a related note, there is this:

Venezuela Scrambles to Bring $11 Billion Worth of Gold Home

Chavez announced the move in August as a “sovereign” step that would help protect Venezuela’s foreign reserves from economic turbulence in the United States and Europe. Most of Venezuela’s gold held abroad is in London.

It was also seen as another populist measure ahead of the election next October, when Chavez will seek another six-year term.

It will likely to be a hard fought and contentious vote, and some critics suggest Chavez is frightened by the chance of Venezuela’s foreign reserves being frozen by sanctions — as happened to his friend and ally, Libya’s late Muammar Gaddafi.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=437720&CategoryId=10717

stmarc32:
Just basically summarizing your ideology from what i've read in most of your postings, You failure to deduce from what has transpired in libya that the WHITE MAN is trully and really the black mans enemy except a few and i use that word few loosely,

It's a case of the West (most) against the rest of us. They are greedy which is why their economy is in shambles and now they are looking to see who they can "liberate" next with their "humanitarian interventions". I've spoken to many Americans about this and have found that most of them are more interested in watching idols and eating fast food than what their government is up to. It's infuriating. Fortunately, the British people I've spoken to are overwhelmingly fed-up with it all. We should be careful not to alienate them as these are the people that can help put a stop to all this madness.

nolongTing:
I simply asked a question I made no assumptions on this thread, I was simply interested in peoples opinion.

Some reactions and opinions

Celebrations in Juju's home town
Frank Maponya | 11 November, 2011 00:40

[img]http://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2011/08/02/malema-hands-on-head/RESIZED/Small/malema+hands+on+head[/img]

Seshego, Julius Malema's home town, erupted into wild celebrations last night following the firebrand's suspension as president of the ANC Youth League.

Large convoys of cars noisily drove through the streets of the township, just outside Polokwane in Limpopo, with people hanging out of windows.

Residents, young and old, came out of their houses to join in the celebrations. This happened in the presence of police.

Malema and his lieutenants, who had been hero-worshipping him, were nowhere to be seen.

The group sang anti-Malema songs as they welcomed his downfall.

"It's over with Malema. There will be peace in South Africa," sang the group.

"We have had enough of Malema and his group, who had been looking at their own interests rather than those of the masses who voted them into power.

"He should have known that what goes around comes around," warned one of the angry protesters, who refused to be identified for fear of victimisation.

"We want Sello Moloto back to lead Limpopo because there is a leadership vacuum," said another, who clearly showed disapproval of current Limpopo premier Cassel Mathale's leadership style.

The sanctions imposed on the youth league's top six officials were widely welcomed yesterday. Many saw them as a move to restore discipline.

"We cannot allow people to engage in deviant behaviour and not act," said ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu.

Other political parties and civil society groups applauded the decision by the ANC's national disciplinary committee to axe Malema as league president, and Floyd Shivambu as his spokesman, saying they had polarised South Africa and damaged the country's reputation.

Malema was slapped with a five-year suspension and Shivambu with a three-year ban.

The Congress of South African Trade Unions would not comment specifically on the sanctions, but said the union federation was committed to discipline in the ANC.

DA youth leader Makashule Gana said the move would be a catalyst for the ANC's internal power struggles and cause a realignment of politics in the next five years.

Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder said South Africa was a better place: "Malema and Shivambu have without a doubt caused a lot of damage to South Africa internationally as well as nationally."

ACDP leader Kenneth Meshoe said the ruling sent a strong message to the youth league that ill-discipline in any form would not be tolerated.

UDM leader Bantu Holomisa said Malema had been caught in the crossfire of an ambiguous policy.

"We find it mind-boggling how the same ANC failed to sanction Malema for insulting former president Thabo Mbeki in 2008," he said. "The verdict on him will certainly be finalised at the ANC's 2012 Mangaung conference."

Malema has been ordered to vacate his office. - Additional reporting by Sapa



Survey shows support for Malema verdict

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2011/11/11/848895_720598.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/848895_720598.jpg

Seventy percent of a group of young South Africans surveyed feel the ANC's decision to suspend its youth league president Julius Malema for five years is justified, TNS surveys said on Friday.

"The survey, which skews towards younger people, showed that 70% of people felt that the sentence was justified," it said in a statement.

The company said it conducted a short mobile survey after Malema's suspension by the ANC's national disciplinary committee was announced on Thursday.

Of the 601 who responded, 30% felt it was too harsh. The figure of 70% dropped to 66% for those aged under 24 years and rose to 85% for those aged 31 years and over. There were no gender differences.

Amongst people whose home language is English or Afrikaans, 88% felt the sentence was justified.

Among all the other language groups, this figure dropped to 66%.

Among those for whom Sepedi is their home language, 57% felt the sanction was too harsh, with 43% feeling it was justified.

Sepedi is a dominant language in Limpopo, Malema's home province.

A second question: "Do you support what Julius Malema says and does or not?" yielded 29% in support of the statement, and 71% not in support of the statement.

The figure of 29% contrasts with the 25% noted in a study conducted in early September.

A third question was also posed: "Do you feel that Julius Malema should form his own party or should he stay with the ANC?"

Thirty-three percent voted in favour of him forming a new party and 67% for him to stay with the ANC.

Among people whose home language is English or Afrikaans, 47% felt he should form a new party. Among all the other language groups, this figure dropped to 30%.

Of the 601 respondents, who were aged 16 and older, 461 were blacks and 112 people of other race groups. The survey was conducted using mobile phone self-completion interviews in South Africa.

The "universe" for the study consisted of over 300 000 mobile phone users who make use of the FSMS service, which offers free SMSes in return for the SMS also carrying an advertisement.

comic relief regarding this matter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSXI9chPJ2E

paniki:
Dinokeng report detailing three future scenarios of South Africa. PDF link is 1.5Mb

Scenario 3: Walk Together

We can succeed if and only if citizens and leaders from all sectors rise above their narrow self-interests and contribute purposefully to building our nation.

paniki:
Afrikaners and English whites secretly detest one another but they try hard to get along.

True. The problem has always been that the English look down on us. I don't speak English with an Afrikaans accent which is why I've heard them say some rude things about us right to my face. Also, I am so tired of hearing them say that they had nothing to do with apartheid. Like you said, we try hard to get along and I do have many English friends but still most of them just can't resist throwing the "Dutch" insult. That said, I've noticed in recent years that more English are willing to speak Afrikaans with us whereas before they thought it was beneath them. To tell you the truth, I feel much closer to the coloured population than I do the English. Most of them are Afrikaans speaking and their families are close.

paniki:
All I can say is that Afrikaners are ultra proud of their language and African heritage. I consider them to be truly African unlike their English counterparts.

Thank you for saying it. May you not get lynched on Nairaland for it.

cap28:
i noticed you bolded afrika - i have a feeling that you're a nigerian pretending to be a white south african.

There are other South Africans on here. If any of them speak Afrikaans and want to test me, they can. Real Afrikaans too, not Google translate Afrikaans.

morpheus24:
stay focused numskull. She bolded it because I mispelled it

Morpheus, no I don't worry about a little misspelling. The reason I put it
in bold is because we call ourselves Afrikaaners/Afrikaans because our ancestors cast off their European heritage and regarded themselves as African. I see myself as an African who is a South African citizen of Afrikaner heritage.

morpheus24:
in my original post plus many Afrikaaners trace multiple roots from French hugenots, Dutch, British and Portugese settlers so she can be MOSTLY Dutch AFRIKAANS or a combination of the others.

Correct. I say "mostly" because I am 75% Afrikaans. The other 25% I am not sure about. Afrikaners are of Dutch, French and German descend. In fact, until about 5 years ago I only knew what 25% of my ancestry was. Most people who came here made slight changes to their last names which can create confusion when trying to figure out if it is originally a Dutch or German name. Our ancestors forged a new culture for themselves and wanted their descendants to identify with and be loyal to Africa not Europe. BTW, we consider it an insult to be called "Dutch". The English in SA used to call us that in a derogatory manner to show their contempt. Unfortunately, many of them continue to do so. Our history with them has been touchy. Afrikaners left Europe behind, but the English kept clinging to the queen's skirt and suckling at her breasts. Some continue to do so to this day, but many of them have woken up.

morpheus24:
Intuitively from her name SA lassie one can deduce that she is likely has "English descent as well. I could be wrong though!

The mystery 25% could be either English or Irish. I don't know. My username is actually a play on "Selassie".

cap28:
i find it mildly amusing when domesticated house negroes like yourself fall over themselves to defend the very people who have done nothing but keep you in a permanent state of subservience.

Einstein im tired of this your "yassa massa" routine, for heavens sake get up off your knees and learn to be a man for once in your life.

It's sad that some people still feel this way. When it comes to SA in particular I have seen how some other black people put them down with the whole "white masters" nonsense. I loathe these psychological games and it upsets me how little credit some people give to black South Africans. They chose to forgive what was done to them. Not for us, but for themselves. Forgiveness brings true freedom. They chose freedom over revenge. The future over the past. Most importantly, they chose South Africa! Instead of punishing their fellow citizens, they taught us a lesson in humility and humanity. This makes them strong not weak. We tried one extreme. It didn't work. We have seen right across the border what the other extreme will lead to. Yes, we had some terrible birthing pains but we survived and we know growth takes times. We've crawled, we've learned how to walk and soon we will learn to run. One day we will soar with the eagles. I hope Nigeria will be flying alongside us.

cap28:
"BEING AFRICAN GOES DEEPER THAN YOUR SKIN TONE OR YOUR BIO-GEOGRAPHICAL ADAPTATION INHERITED FROM YOUR ANCESTORS!

Exactly! I have some very dear friends from different ethnic heritages throughout Africa. Some people can look beyond colour. Others can't. Everyone is on their own journey in life and have different experiences which have shaped them. All I know is that there is a tsunami threat coming our way from the West that, if it succeeds, will make us all realize exactly how petty our currents squabbles are.

morpheus24:
SA lassie . Are you Afriknans?

morpheus24, yes I am mostly [b]Afrika[/b]ans.

I’m white and these guys don’t represent me or any of my white friends. We too are repulsed by them. We think they are backwards and an embarrassment to the rest of us. They have an inferiority complex and many tend to be unemployed and blame other races for all their troubles in life instead of doing something that is actually constructive. I’ll hand it to them though, they are good at what they do and they are joining ranks internationally. Their aim is to divide, because they really do not have the numbers! They want you to think that they represent the views of most whites. They want you to hate. Meanwhile, they want white people to fear other races and their accomplishments. This is how they try to increase their numbers - division through hate speech and fear. If you think that a certain race is out to get you, you will move closer to your own race and view others as the enemy.

I’m not going to waste my time trying to have an intelligent discussion with these guys on those sites. I’d rather talk to you directly and tell you that most of us don’t share their views. Unfortunately, they have already convinced some of you that they are the majority. A victory for them. I’m not going to allow haters with their sinister agendas to manipulate me and I hope you see through them too.

Youtube is mostly a sewerage when it comes to comments. They are definitely not “mainstream” least of all if you are going to read comments in response to supremacy videos. People like that are unfortunately very loud. They don’t really have the numbers so instead they shout as loud as they can. Meanwhile you read their comments and think that its representative of most white people. Naturally you become angry and in doing so you unintentionally give more power to these guys as they try to advance their “cause”. This is how they operate. It’s manipulation. There are black supremacy groups out there that do the same. Look, it’s good to know what they are up to, but I don’t want to be used as a pawn by either white or black supremacy groups.

The subject line is misleading. Check out their "about us" section. They describe themselves as "an online magazine of radical traditionalism" (as supported by that article). Therefore it's the opinion of radical whites.