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TravelRe: South African Girl Caught With 1.5kg Of Cocaine In Her Dreadlocks In Thailand by salassie(f): 1:56pm On Dec 17, 2011
I doubt they will execute her. There are a few South Africans in Thai prisons who have been there since the 1990s. If she is in the same prison, she will at least have other South Africans to stick with. Thai prisons are rough. They sleep on the floors like sardines.
Foreign AffairsRe: South African Blacks - Could It Be Inferiority Complex? by salassie(f): 1:43pm On Dec 17, 2011
E-Engineer:
thats easy for u to say now but during apartheid like 23 years back, where u born then? how id u feel about blacks in general
Why are you asking this as if you personally remember and experienced apartheid? You are 27 and Nigerian! Yes, I remember those days. I grew up very near a little black village and we were able to interact on a daily basis without any interference from authorities. Later when some of them moved into a township it was a bit harder and we had to wait until nightfall to go visit as to not attract the attention of the cops. Decades later I am still in contact with two of those guys I grew up with. You are so blinded by the system of that time, that you completely ignore relationships between individuals.


E-Engineer:
u boers are just creeps preying on the blacks inferiority complex,
You just showed your ignorance about SA with the “boer” comment. BTW, SA blacks don’t have an inferiority complex. Your projecting.


E-Engineer:
which normal person will be robbed,oppressed, pillaged for more than a century and still give his oppressors full rights when he becomes free
People far better than you, clearly. I’m so tired of foreign black and white people like you who want South Africans to hate one another because of your issues. How often do you even talk to white people face to face? Probably not much in Nigeria. You have to keep in mind that in SA the various races talk everyday. We are not strangers to one another. Please, leave us to keep sorting our problems out on our own, and take the hate elsewhere.
Foreign AffairsRe: South African Blacks - Could It Be Inferiority Complex? by salassie(f): 3:42pm On Dec 15, 2011
paniki:
Why should people not make an effort to defend themselves and their country?
paniki:
If you read comments on various forums and news sites in SA(especially news24) you would think that black people and white people hate each other coz every little thing gets turned into "black this", "white this". But the truth is that black people and white people generally get along well.
This is my experience too. Personally, I’ve never experienced any racial problems from others in this country. I’ve always known South Africans to be very friendly. Outsiders don’t seem to understand us. We aren’t afraid to talk about racial issues here which is why it really isn’t as big a deal when issues arise as it seems to those on the outside looking in. A black guy and a white one can have a very lively verbal debate about race the one minute, while the next they are having a braai together. So I guess I can understand why outsiders don’t get us.


paniki:
Juju's friend became a hot topic, black people were bragging that a black man is blowing millions on a wedding while white people were accusing him of benefiting from government contracts and it became one of those never-ending racial debates. But that does not mean that we're a divided country
We are actually far more united than some people realize. Sure there are those with extreme views, but the vast majority of us know full well that we need one another. Our various histories are intertwined and we are all part of each other. No one in their right mind can deny that. I love being a South African and forming a laager is part of who we are. grin
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 3:08pm On Dec 15, 2011
^^Yeah, better to just laugh. You’ll be hearing it for the rest of your life just as I’ll be hearing certain things for the rest of mine. Eye on the ball, right? wink
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 6:45pm On Dec 14, 2011
panafrican:
God Bless Robert Mugabe and down with Ian smith cronies.
There are millions of Zimbabwean refugees in SA. I have yet to hear one sing his praises. They HATE the man. So while you and others are saying "God Bless Robert Mugabe", Zimbabweans are overwhelmingly praying for this man's demise. His family regularly go on wild shopping sprees in SA. His daughter in Hong Kong lives in the most affluent suburb there and enjoys a lavish lifestyle. The Mugabes don't care about the people of Zimbabwe.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 6:36pm On Dec 14, 2011
paniki:
Lets not crucify the Chinese, they are just following their own laws. The good thing to note is that they did offer her a life sentence if she admitted guilt after the SA government made attempts to intervene but she refused to take the deal and now shes dead.
But would you be able to admit guilt to something you didn't do? I doubt I would be able to do that.


paniki:
I remember many years ago a South African citizen was sentence to death in Botswana, our government tried to intervene and used all sorts of tricks but the Botswana government just gave SA the middle finger and hanged the guy.
I remember a very dodgy case in Botswana a few years ago involving an SA woman that was accused of killing someone there. Some kind of a love triangle thing. They didn't even tell her family they were going to hang her. The children showed up at the prison one day and they were casually informed that their mother had been executed.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 6:30pm On Dec 14, 2011
isale_gan2:
Interesting, yet unfocused and non-convincing argument. No offense, but you sound youngish - 19-22 probably.
I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances in any country. If you had read my response to this execution in the original thread about it, then you would know how I feel about drugs. Just because you have a different opinion does not entitle you to throw around insults. And no, I haven't been 19 - 22 in a long time. Like I said, I am entitled to my belief that it is wrong to execute people or do you honestly think everyone should share your exact opinion on the matter? Sounding kind of childish yourself there, don't you think? wink


isale_gan2:
And so it goes. I wish the woman had plea-bargained the life sentence, but maybe she'd rather not be locked up behind bars till the end of her life.
or perhaps she couldn't bring herself to admit guilt to something she didn't do. She wouldn't be the first.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 10:57pm On Dec 13, 2011
isale_gan2:
Do you really believe that the Chinese authority would make a binding promise to a foreign national that they would apply their laws differently for her countrymen?
They made a promised then negated it.

isale_gan2:
If you want to switch the argument to other China-related issues, fine. But, with the topic of the OP, what are you proposing. huh
I didn't switch the argument. The OP did here:

panafrican:
The chinese must turn her body over to her family for burial.As retaliation zuma should establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan and welcome Tibet's spiritual leader (The Dalai Lama) to South Africa.This should be the first step.
2nd step. Check all african jail cells,if a chinese is found there, he should also be harshly punished.
My post was in reply to the above. I believe panafrican was looking at the bigger picture of what we believe is going on here.

And yes, I believe it is disgusting to kill someone over 3kgs of meth. She was told that they would commute her sentence to life in prison if she admitted guilt, but she refused. There is someone still walking around free that either framed her or took advantage of her economic situation to temp her into being a mule. It's always the little guy that gets punished while the ringleaders get away with it.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Is Putting Our Women To Death by salassie(f): 6:40pm On Dec 13, 2011
panafrican:
The chinese must turn her body over to her family for burial.
She was cremated yesterday and her ashes handed over to the SA embassy.


panafrican:
As retaliation zuma should establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan and welcome Tibet's spiritual leader (The Dalai Lama) to South Africa.This should be the first step.
The old SA government had close ties with Taiwan instead of China. This changed when we became a democracy. It will stay that way, I’m sure. There's a saying that few are deaf when money talks.

I was watching the news on etv last night and they had an SA woman on who managed to get her brother’s death sentence commuted to life a few years ago. She said that the Chinese assured her at the time that no South Africans would ever be executed in China. The Chinese are now showing us that they are going to be calling the shots. We were humiliated internationally after the Dalai Lama episode. One would have thought that the Chinese would have commuted Janice’s sentence on President Zuma’s request as a gesture of goodwill. Instead they ignored his requests.

BTW, two more rhinos were pouched today. Fortunately, both are holding on for their lives. The female is pregnant. We know the Chinese are the kingpins behind it. We also know that China's been very lax in tackling the matter.

This is not about race. It’s about establishing authority. China is testing us and we are losing. You can be sure that they consider us to be weak and easy to control. We are making our bed.


panafrican:
2nd step. Check all african jail cells,if a chinese is found there, he should also be harshly punished.
I believe we have one poucher here awaiting trail. Will be interesting to see how that goes.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Executes Female Drug Smuggler Today: Someone Please Tell Baba Suwe. by salassie(f): 6:32pm On Dec 13, 2011
Better find out how to say “Ja, baas” in Chinese. angry
Foreign AffairsRe: Ocampo/hague Kenya Case by salassie(f): 10:33pm On Dec 12, 2011
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel Acts To Curb Illegal Immigration From Africa by salassie(f): 10:27pm On Dec 12, 2011
tpia@:
Africans are always fleeing africa.
Everyone is always fleeing Africa. It's not for nothing that we say Africa isn't for sissies.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Executes Female Drug Smuggler Today: Someone Please Tell Baba Suwe. by salassie(f): 6:57pm On Dec 12, 2011
igbo2011:
If she was Caucasian, would they have done the same thing?
Igbo, wake up and smell the Chinese herbs. They are in charge now and Africa will bow its head to China many more times in the future. Tell me I'm wrong, please!

This poor girl's mother died only a few months ago. What a sad way to die knowing your child is in a foreign country and sentenced to death and you will never see each other again. I really feel for this family.
Foreign AffairsRe: China Executes Female Drug Smuggler Today: Someone Please Tell Baba Suwe. by salassie(f): 6:50pm On Dec 12, 2011
I don’t know whether or not she was guilty or innocent. As much as I despise the illegal drug trade and all that goes on surrounding it, I don’t agree with capital punishment. I am very sad for Janice and her family. They must just come home now and scatter her ashes in SA. It’s bad enough that she died on foreign soil. Return her to her homeland. cry China is ons nuwe baas.
Foreign AffairsRe: World War 4 Will Be Fought With Sticks And Stones by salassie(f): 5:24pm On Dec 10, 2011
Tend to agree myself. Humans have lost their moral compass. We’ve become too smart (advanced in warfare) for our own good yet lacking wisdom (good judgment). I think many people today have a sense of impending doom. sad
Foreign AffairsRe: Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige by salassie(f): 10:47pm On Dec 08, 2011
Mr--Why:
And to South African blacks; to be forewarned is to be forearmed. Mandela is the symbol holding South Africa together as it is today. If the fundamental problems are not quickly addressed, It is just a matter of time before all hell broke loose. Face reality and stop living an illusion.

Black, white - or South African?

30 June 2006

There's much variety in the people of South Africa - one of the most diverse countries in the world - with four broad racial groupings (including three minorities), 11 official languages, a huge gap between rich and poor, and growing communities of migrants and immigrants.

The distribution of races in South Africa's population

[img]http://www.southafrica.info/cm_pics/ess_info/690-1823-2657-0_348365.jpg[/img]

Yet since the end of apartheid there has been a growing sense of nationhood in this race-conscious country, with most of all these different people seeing themselves as primarily South African - not as members of a specific racial or ethnic group.

This is according to A Nation in the Making: A Discussion Document on Macro Social Trends in South Africa, a major new report released this week by the Presidency's Policy Coordination and Advisory Services.

[img]http://www.southafrica.info/cm_pics/ess_info/690-1823-2657-0_348347.jpg[/img]

South Africans' primary form of identity

According to a 2004 FutureFact study cited in the report, a whopping 71% of South Africans of all races define their primary identity - that is, the group to which they belong "first and foremost" - as African or South African.


FutureFact's data across the years reveals a strong move away from ethnicity towards nationhood. In 2000, 44% of South Africans defined themselves according to their race, ethnic group or language. By September 2001 this had declined to only 22%, with 12% race and 10% ethnicity. The most recent survey puts the figure at 18% - a mere 4% in terms of race alone.

According to the 2004 survey, more than half the population (53%) see themselves as primarily South African. A further 18% of the country's people - of all races - identify with the continent as a whole, describing themselves as "African".

"Overall, the data points to increasing levels of social cohesion, in terms of unity, coherence, functionality and pride among South Africans," the report says.

"However, this is drawn back by the legacy of inequality, intense migratory trends, crime related to social conditions and vestiges of racism."

Beyond crude racial classification
Black South Africans' sense of identity varies most, reflecting a diversity that belies crude racial classification. Making up 79% of the country's population, 44% of black people define themselves as South African, the lowest proportion among all groups. Twenty-three percent see themselves as African, 18% identify with an ethnic or linguistic group - down from 23% in 1999 - and only 3% classify themselves according to race.

With 82% defining themselves as "South African", whites identify with the country the most, followed by coloureds and Indians. Five percent of whites consider themselves to be Africans, while 4% identify themselves according to race and 2% according to language or ethnicity.

The vast majority (78%) of coloured South Africans also identify with the country, with a further 12% defining themselves racially, 1% in terms of language or ethnicity, and 4% as African. While most Indians and Asians also identify strongly with South Africa (70%), and 4% with Africa, this group has the highest ratio (18%) of those with a racial self-definition, and the lowest (0%) for language or ethnicity.


[This is the real problem facing SA:]

The data also shows that, since the end of apartheid, economic status has dramatically taken hold of South Africans' sense of self. In 1994, the year of the first democratic elections, only 3% of the country's people used class or occupational descriptions as their primary self-definition. In 2000 this had risen to 14%, reaching a remarkable 37% by the time of the 2004 survey - a 12-fold increase in 10 years.


http://www.southafrica.info/about/democracy/identity-300606.htm#ixzz1fywfSmTi
Foreign AffairsRe: Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige by salassie(f): 10:36pm On Dec 08, 2011
Mr--Why:
I must not be a member of the Boer community to see the handwriting on the wall. You just have to take a look at their blogs, online comments to have a clue of what is really underneath.
My friend, can you tell me exactly which blogs you are referring to? Are they in English or Afrikaans? Something that irks me enormously is that the extreme right around the world are trying to latch themselves on to us. It’s the same with foreign black supremacist trying to undermine black South Africans. Both these groups have axes to grind and unfortunately would love nothing more than to make SA their battleground. This is one of the reasons why I am so against white and black supremacist. They should sort out their problems in their own countries and leave us to do the same here. It’s easy for me to spot whether or not comments are coming from locals. I’ve seen how foreigners try to come across as South African and carrying on as though they have a say over what happens in our country. Not that there aren’t locals (from all groups) who are vile, but the foreign element on those forums are strong.


Mr--Why:
Most of them want to see the New South Africa under the leadership of blacks fail.
I frequently Google SA history and often end up on conservative Afrikaans forums. Yes, they are very suspicious of the government and pretty much everyone else, but the lack of racist terms on the ones I’ve visited are quite surprising. These guys usually don’t like to participate on local English forums. It’s not really fair to say that they want the government to fail. To the contrary, their gripe with the government is that issues such as farm murders and Afrikaans language are ignored. They see this as an attack on their culture. The other thing I keep seeing is that they are fed up with affirmative action. It’s not that they want anything more than other groups. They keep asking when things are going to be equal i.e when people will be hired purely based on qualifications and not race and/or s3x.


Mr--Why:
Do you think those Boers were happy to hand over power? Who are you kidding? Once beaten, twice shy, my friend.
It was not about being “forced” to hand over power. I remember very well when we had the referendum in 1992. We had family and community meetings to discuss with people why they should vote “yes”. It wasn’t a hard sell. People were “gatvol” of the way the country was being run. The sight of PW Botha on TV during the 1980s always led to cursing and jeering. Believe it or not, but the NP was moderate compared to parties such as the CP. The referendum for the first time gave people the opportunity to have their say. Personally I only knew 2 guys who voted “no” and they were both English.

Something else that I can see is deeply misunderstood is the role of the Boer people during apartheid. Please allow me to explain a few things. All of us whites who speak Afrikaans as our mother language are commonly called “Afrikaners” for convenience sake. Boers are a sub-group of Afrikaners. My family are of the Boer group. Boers were amongst those who first arrived in SA in the mid 1600s. They were poor people of whom many married freed slaves and women of mixed blood. Two of my ancestors married women of mixed blood. Even Boer leaders like Andries Pretorius and Paul Kruger are descendants of freed slave women from the early days at the Cape. Boers couldn’t tolerate English rule over them and in 1835 they left the Cape in large numbers. Some of them went on to become allies to Zulu kings. Afrikaners stayed behind in the Cape. Later the Boers fought the English in 1899 -1902 while most Afrikaners did not and were content to remain British subjects. After the 1902 war, many Boers were unable to rebuild the simple but self-sufficient lives they had known and thus moved poverty stricken to the cities. Many had very little formal education. They worked as seamstresses in English factories, in the mines, on the railways and roads. These are the people who established various unions in SA such as the Mineworkers and Garment worker’s unions. Later they rebelled under the communist flag against the government and were brutally crushed. This was the beginning of the rise of the Afrikaners. The Boers were increasingly regarded as a “problem” and an embarrassment. There was a bitter rift between the groups. The English first implemented apartheid measures and this was perfected from 1948 to 1994 by a secret group within the Afrikaner community called the Afrikaner Broederbond. SA politics was under their control. From the start they claimed all former achievements of the Boers as their own. This is why there is so much confusion about this. The Boers did not control apartheid SA. The Afrikaner Broederbond did. Today everything is blamed on the Boers while the Broederbond remains hush. All the Boers ever wanted is to be left alone to farm. There are only about 1.5 million Boers. There’s still a great deal of nostalgia over the old Boer Republics that were sovereign states when the English attacked. Many Boers still fly the flags of the old Boer Republics. Don’t confuse them with those white South Africans who are holding onto the old SA flag.


Mr--Why:
And to South African blacks; to be forewarned is to be forearmed. Mandela is the symbol holding South Africa together as it is today. If the fundamental problems are not quickly addressed, It is just a matter of time before all hell broke loose. Face reality and stop living an illusion.
We aren't living an illusion. We are very well aware of what our problems are. It's just not something I want to discuss in detail on NL. It's better to keep some discussions within the SA family.


BTW, the only real militant white group in SA has never had much support. Everyone knows this. Back in the early 1990s it was even reported that many of their members were English speaking. Indeed the only person I’ve ever personally known to support them is English speaking.
Foreign AffairsRe: Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige by salassie(f): 9:43pm On Dec 05, 2011
cap28:
most whites feel that they are above black people
You said "most" not "all"! cheesy
Foreign AffairsRe: Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige by salassie(f): 9:31pm On Dec 05, 2011
Bottom line is that this church has the right to marry or not whomever they want – just as this couple has the right to leave and join another congregation. Why on earth stay? According to the article, she isn’t even an active member. Sounds to me like they are getting a kick out of the “forbidden love” aspect this church is placing on their relationship.


Mr--Why:
If those Boers had their way in Southern Africa again; they would do much worse than apartheid.
Unless you are a member of the Boer community, you are in no position to state this as if it’s fact.


Olodostein:
The only black people in the world who developed a Neo Nazi mindset by being xenophobes
South Africans are not xenophobic. Those incidents were horrific, but blaming it on xenophobia over simplifies the root causes. South Africans are the friendliest people in the world. Not implying that we are perfect though.


Olodostein:
and think they are SUPERIOR to other Africans. It thus shows how these Boers mentally damaged you all;
Wait. Wait. If South African blacks think that they are superior to other Africans and if this belief is the result of apartheid, then WOW! Listen to what you are saying.


paniki:
Black South Africans experienced the most brutal forms of institutionalised discrimination during the years of Apartheid. Many of us lived through those times and we know first hand how it's like to be discriminated against. As a result, our constitution which was written by blacks prohibits any form of discrimination coz we know it's bad.
And it’s a constitution we are very proud of!


cap28:
If the majority of blacks in africa think like paniki it will just be a matter of time before the whites succeed in completly exterminating all of us in africa- HIV aids in africa is highest where there are large white settler populations in africa - do you think that is a coincidence? these white parasites are determined to take that land at any cost.
These HIV conspiracy theories have got to stop.


paniki:
This is madness amplified to extreme lunacy. You think that white people are on a mission to exterminate blacks? Get over yourself, white people have better things to do.
Much better things, yes!


paniki:
Besides they did blood test in the 60s which matched the father.
I can’t remember the names right now, but I do know of a case like this in SA where they took DNA and it showed that there had been no “hanky panky”. May be the same family.


paniki:
It's true that Dutch settlers landed in Cape Town around mid 1600s and the MEN proceeded to rap3 local black women for centuries since resulting in close to half of the current Cape Town population being coloured.
No, this isn’t correct. I don’t doubt that there was rap3. Sad fact that where men are there will be s3xual violence. Prostitution was alive and well in the Cape as well even in those days. However, many early Europeans married mixed-Khoi and Asian women, and in some cases black women from SA and Madagascar. The VOC was not pleased about this and tried to stop it many times. These laws were ignored. According to my family’s oral history some of my ancestors were married to non-European women. Since then, DNA tests support this to be true. Most Boer people have some non-European blood. Some will admit it, while other won’t. I think some fear that it will somehow cause them to lose their culture even though it is a very unique identity.


paniki:
just as I doubt that a Afrikaner WOMAN would willingly have s3x with a black man today in 2011.
Paniki, my dear compatriot . . .
Foreign AffairsRe: Beautiful Pre-colonial African Cities by salassie(f): 7:49pm On Nov 25, 2011
I’m curious about something. Those pictures Igbo2011 posted of Benin; were those real birds sitting on top of the towers (as birds do) or were they something ornamental the people put there?? Silly question, I know, but I’m really wondering about it.

BlackLibya, in that last picture you posted of the Amoafo, Asante Kingdom 1890, I notice it has a big tree between the habitats and further down another big tree is lined up. Do you know if this was common place to plan their cities like that? The way the people are standing around the tree in the front, one can tell that it must have been a popular meeting/resting place.

EzeUche: Emperor Fasilides castle and St George Church. Ethiopia is fascinating. I never tire looking at those.

Has anyone here actually been to Timbuktu?

Keep them coming guys. This is a beautiful thread.
Foreign AffairsRe: Vote Set On Controversial S. Africa secrets bill by salassie(f): 7:23pm On Nov 25, 2011
Afro_Blue:
I think the site is anti-feminist, not anti-women. Many of the themes are related to how certain powers that be have geared modern society to put women in the workplace instead of doing traditional roles of staying home and home making and raising kids. Wouldn't you prefer that role instead of putting in 20 hour work days?
Afro_Blue, I made the decision a long time ago not to go that route in life. Not that I have anything against women who chose a more traditional life. One thing I have against the feminist movement is that it tells women that they should be doing it all and makes them feel guilty when they can't/don’t. Women should be free to have careers or be homemakers. Societies that suppress their women fail to advance. Do you know that a lot of these kind of guys are also supremacist? If they aren’t crying about such or such a race taking their jobs, they are complaining about women doing it. Maybe there is a better thread to discuss this.
Foreign AffairsRe: Vote Set On Controversial S. Africa secrets bill by salassie(f): 7:20pm On Nov 25, 2011
paniki:
WRONG Roger Bell. The census budget was not 6 billion nor did StatsSA tender the project. It was done inhouse.
Yup. This guy has no credibility. Can’t even get basic facts straight.


aloy/emeka:
Zuma is the dumbest president in the whole world.
You underestimate the President. People keep doing that and he keeps outsmarting them. You know, like what’s his name and that other guy did . . .


aloy/emeka:
Khai, how can South Africans put their faith on a man who spends 20 hours a day chasing new brides instead of governing?.
He multitasks


Afro_Blue:
Another question, how many wives and concubine does President Zuma have?
That’s their business. I don’t even think about it anymore.
Foreign AffairsRe: Vote Set On Controversial S. Africa secrets bill by salassie(f): 10:44pm On Nov 24, 2011
Afro_Blue:
I suspect they have also told him he needs it to give him a second four-year term in office.
WRONG Roger Bell. It's 5 years.
Foreign AffairsRe: Vote Set On Controversial S. Africa secrets bill by salassie(f): 10:10pm On Nov 24, 2011
Afro_Blue, grin why you giving a link to an article on an anti-women website?!

I find what this guy wrote insulting and ignorant. Using words like “fooled” and “duped” when talking about President Zuma is almost amusing. He is a good strategist and how someone can think that he can be fooled into signing this bill is beyond me. I don’t agree with the secrecy bill, but to say the President has been “duped” is ridiculous. I would be LOL if it weren't such a serious matter.
Foreign AffairsRe: Beautiful Pre-colonial African Cities by salassie(f): 7:21pm On Nov 24, 2011
BlackLibya, its OK, got the thread. smiley I thought it was an old one you referred to. Interesting pictures. I'm enjoying them. Please post more if you have.
Foreign AffairsRe: White South Africans Head For Home by salassie(f): 7:16pm On Nov 24, 2011
red jasper:
The title should read White South Africans Head For Colonial Home.
By that twisted logic, everyone except the Native Americans should leave America, everyone except the Indians should leave C and S.America. All except the aboriginals should leave Australia. It’s 2011. Get with the times. There are only 0.60% whites in Africa. Why are you so scared of us anyway? And how can you expect whites in the US to change their attitudes about the 12% black population if you can't even get over a small % of whites in Africa? Have you ever really tried to speak face to face with white people about your grievances? Probably not. It would explain why some people on here are wetting themselves with excitement that I am here. You are too scared to have face to face conversations and prefer to attack people on the internet instead. I have said that I am trying to get to know and understand Nigerians, but that’s not happening because of those of you who just attack non stop and want to make everyone your enemy. You are your own worst enemies!
Foreign AffairsRe: White South Africans Head For Home by salassie(f): 7:11pm On Nov 24, 2011
Negro_Ntns:
sa_lassie, it is clear, from your comments, that you are either of mixed parentage or you are not black. I know how it must feel from your outlook at the new arrangements. There is a good reason white Americans are suspicious and will not hand power over to a descendant of slave i this country.
What are you talking about when you say that? Are you one of those on here so blinded by hatred that you assume I hate you because we aren’t of the same race? I don’t know if you made a typo when you said “Americans”. I am not in the States. If you were talking about SA. News flash: in the 17 years since this country became a democracy I have only once made my mark next to a white face in an election and that was with this year’s municipal elections. Every presidential election I’ve made my mark next to the face of someone who happens to be black. But I didn’t vote for any of them thinking “I’m voting for a black man”, I voted for them because I saw them as South Africans who I believed would be good leaders. So stop assuming stuff. I don’t suck up to either black or white people and I despise supremacist on both sides.


Negro_Ntns:
As we speak, there are many many residuals of divisions ad racist treatments against blacks all over the world. There are treasures stolen from Africa that are still held by Europeans.
Of course there are. How many more times do I have to say that on here? There’s a lot of selective reading going on in this forum.


Negro_Ntns:
If you truly want to be a soldier for justice ad uity, fight that cause to restore dignity to the humanity of black victims still in shackles of white dominace in places like Australia, America, before you you call for Blacks to to embrace and share space with Whites.
I’m not in Australia or the States. I am here in SA doing what I can to help poor black people here. Stop making assumptions. Are you giving your time to help any of the poor in your community or even doing something as simple as giving meals to people you know are going without or giving them blankets in the winter? What are you doing for black people in your community? I have asked this question so many times here of those who keep attacking me and still none of them have been able to give me an answer. How can they expect white people to care for them when they themselves don’t even care for their fellow black brothers and sisters? Even on this site there is so much hatred for each other. You guys are constantly bashing each other even when someone has accomplished something that you should be proud of.


Negro_Ntns:
Whites reluctantly gave up in South Africa due too international pressure not because they had sympathy for their black citizens.
If 70% of us didn’t want things to change in this country, then we would have voted the same as the other 30% no matter the amount of international pressure.
Foreign AffairsRe: The Second Berlin Plunder Of Africa by salassie(f): 7:00pm On Nov 24, 2011
BlackLibya:
You do realize that is part of what makes Africa, Africa? Once you lose that you lose a huge part of your culture(many of you have already given up). People will kill people, but when people burn down their cities, and kill their animals, these are things that affect all the generations forever.

Please go to my precolonial african cities thread in the culture section. If people grew up with these cities intact, their thoughts on African capability would be totally different.
BlackLibya, that’s exactly it. Our nature and animals are part of what makes Africa special. These same people who think our animals aren’t important are the very ones who keep complaining about all the resources that were taken from this continent. Yet they themselves don’t even give a damn about something which is an integral part of African culture. They whine about how the rest of the world does nothing for Africa, yet when they try to help Africa – they whine equally as hard that they don’t want their help! This is what having an inferiority complex does to people!

BTW, can you give me the link to the threads you mentioned?
Foreign AffairsRe: White South Africans Head For Home by salassie(f): 6:32pm On Nov 23, 2011
morpheus24:
lets hope the Zims and Somalians turn theri anger towards Robert and Al shabaib eh!
There's that sneaky sense of humour I'm learning to love. https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen054.gif
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenyamann get real by salassie(f): 6:20pm On Nov 23, 2011
Foreign AffairsRe: White South Africans Head For Home by salassie(f): 8:02pm On Nov 22, 2011
redsun:
Africans dont ask for too much in places they sojourn,they dont trespass but on the other,white people takes it all in places they sojourn and subject the natives to life of abject misery and wants,just like the case of south africa.
Redsun, I don’t think black people would have been any better than whites had they colonized Europe or the Americas. Evil isn’t exclusive to any one race. It’s a human thing. More than that – let’s not kid ourselves – it’s a male thing which is why women and children always suffer the most when guys start flexing their muscles around.

BTW, you do realize that when white South Africans were finally allowed to vote “yes” or “no” to end apartheid, 70% of us voted “yes”.


redsun:
They never take some time off to put themselves in others shoes and think of what they would have done if others do the same to them,that is inhumane and it must stop
Yes, we can agree on that. By the same token, when someone does try to put themselves in others shoes, they shouldn't get attacked for it.

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