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Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 7:49pm On Dec 14, 2014
shdemidemi:


My brother God does not need to speak to you personally for you to be a teacher or a pastor. If you have the gift, you won't even plan it. Your passion and desire will propel you to that place for the work.

If you desire the job and you are gifted to teach, go ahead. As long as you meet bible criteria and understand scriptures.
1 Timothy 3
[b]3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well..

[/b]

Good answer....so anyone who desire the job,and 'understand'(relative..) the scriptures should go ahead...? No wahala....no wonder there's church at every corner....at least most of them and if not all of them leaders claim they have the gift, desire and you wouldn't argue with them that they don't ' understand' the scriptures....
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 2:31pm On Dec 14, 2014
Some questions:

How did Macauthur know he should assume the Pastorate of his present Church? How did he know he was to teach or Pastor..how did he know and entered the office (Pastor or Teacher)?

Do you believe that God calls people to be Pastor or Teachers of the word like John Macauthur and the rest today? If yes...how did they know...? Since their name is not Particularly in the bible?

Can/should every christian head a church? Those who are to head a church, how will they know since there's no particular scriptures addressed with their names?

How did John Macauthur know he should head a church.?...at least there's no scriptures written confirming his name (in regards to heading a church).

John Macauthur is a Pastor....how did he entered into that office....considering there's no scriptures with his name...saying he would enter that office...or should enter that office?

Lastly, does God call certain people into the office of a Teacher or Pastor, or every christian should be in those offices?

Note: I have no bias against Pastor John Macauthur. I used is name as example since we are dealing with a conference he organised...I could as well used R. C Sproul or anybody.

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Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 7:19pm On Dec 13, 2014
nlMediator:


Welcome, bro. I can see you've been out there raking in the cash, while devoted servants of The Lord like us have been busy here toiling in the Master's Vineyard! Well, so long as you share the loot with those doing the Father's business, all is well.

Very funny
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 10:48am On Dec 13, 2014
shdemidemi:


Bro, you say people hear from God outside His breathed and sanctified word and it isn't for self interest, self-seeking, self-serving, self centred motives. What other reason could it be for, for God?

If we will be entirely truthful to ourself, the only reason we love to hear outside scripture is for SELF. God has nothing more to gain by talking to me outside scripture, the devil and the flesh have all to gain in such conversation.

He has brought me into the world for a reason. He gave me the message of glad tidings as an ambassador of His kingdom. He says '[size=32pt]all things [/size]we work together for my good at the end'.


Most of us seem to think 'all things' in the context used are glittery things. 'All things' are the good, the bad and the ugly encounter that will come as a result of the truth we know. The bible calls it the affliction of the gospel.
2 Tim 4
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry

The average christian have moved far away from God's word. The same affliction and pain the world present in different dimensions is what we claim God always speak to us about for the sole reason of vindicating us. We present the gospel as a path to comfort and riches. We equate godliness to good business, opportunities and wealth.
2 Tim 2
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

We would rather be average citizens who say charitable prayers to soldiers of the gospel, while we hear from God to give us money and yet more money to enjoy our esteemed self. We unconsciously judge a true man of God by his affluence thus many have left God to meet world standard of what a man of God should look like.

We have deviated from the truth bro, all that matter to us is 'success'.

When my investment failed...you read that I said all things works together for my good...both good and bad...yes...like Paul, I rejoice in tribulations and good times...like Paul I have learned how to abased and how to abound....

I don't wanna be drawn with the issues of wealth, success etc...My point is:There are specific issues the bible is not explicit about that relates to us...and God...our father is committed to such details and he can lead us in whatever medium he decides...Examples of that are plenty in the bible....

But also...because God leads or say something doesn't mean it will work or end well...I can also give you plenty of that in the bible....God has always decided to work with man in fulfilling his will and work...
Samson was supposed to lead Isreal to win many wars...an angel even appeared and deliver the words...did it happened? Didn't Samson messed it up? SOMETIMES if not most times...God's dealing with man always involved mans cooperation.

Peter should have taken the gospel to the gentiles...even in the vision he had he still refused to eat what was given to him...it was hard for him in that area....

On this note...I submit on this subject. May God grant us more understanding of his word.
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 10:13am On Dec 13, 2014
vooks:
Misunderstanding Sola Scriptura is far much dangerous than disregarding the sufficiency of the Word of God

Here is how,
1. Theology and I mean any theology which is the VERY means by which we arrive at the Scriptures is thrown out of the window. Who needs Greek or Hebrews or any commentaries? We just need scriptures!

2. Preaching should effectively cease. Any attempt to preach or share the Word of God other than reading scriptures carries an inherent risk of adding to the scriptures. God should have left us sermons but He left us 66 books. What are sermons anyway other than manmade efforts at (mis)understanding scriptures? If preaching does not 'add' to the scriptures, then just recite the scriptures!

3. Evangelism too for the same reasons as 2. should cease.

4. Fellowship is pretty much useless. Why should we fellowship? Is it possible that calls to fellowship as recorded in the NT were birthed by the insufficiency of the then scriptures and now that we have the canon we don't need fellowship?

5. Bible translation is lethal. What if you add to scriptures while translating? How do we even know what version to use? Should it be the oldest/newest?

Vooks...
Lol...@the above...I am almost cracking my ribs....
I didn't wanna say anything again....but the above even though funny are very, very valid and serious points...
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 8:14am On Dec 13, 2014
shdemidemi:


No one is claiming superiority here... moreover I have not told you I tag myself with any division. All I ask is for you to tell us what you hear. You declined the request so I went further to ask how often you hear what you hear, you refuse to give an answer to that as well. Is it your intention to say a thing and all should accept it as the truth? I believe questions must be asked and they should be reciprocated with pertinent answers. If you cannot defend your extrabiblical messages—either through an audible voice, a vision, a voice in your head, or through an internal impression.... don't you think it will be better you keep it to yourself and register it as 'unsure' even in your unconscious mind.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Translations

King James Version (KJV)
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


Lol....you know I already said I don't really care....and I don't expect anyone to believe me either...my stand as always been that everyone should hold on to what they believe. Even peter said..that Pauls teachings were hard to understand, 2peter 3v16...

For me...my life is a submission to God will...I have been through very difficult, many sided situations that needed precise details on what to do...of which such personal details are not in the Bible...
I have asked before and nobody gave an aswer: is God...our father committed to the daily details of our life? Can God lead us to meet specific persons, go to specific place, make a specific choice when we are at a cross road..?

When Paul was been taking to Rome and his ship attacked by the storm a matter of life and death...the angel that gave him a word of assurance and directions....did the angel do that to give him new revelations or new message to add to scriptures?

Like I said earlier I have been through very difficult decision process...that right there I knew if God was alive and he his my father...I needed direction...

Let me give you one instance: I made an investment which went down faster than my imagination...because of it...I went down financially...my brother....it almost killed me..a lot of things followed which I cannot type... (better expressed through talking)...for me I believe and meditated on God's word which says: all things work together for my good...somehow I knew it was not my end financially
After two month of the whole thing..a friend called me from Manchester that he held what happened to me..he said an opportunity open up..that four different business was about selling off and needed a buyer...that he has the money to buy one of them...but he's not sure of which to buy cos of the little...big money involved...he said he had called on his financial advisers to go through the business and they said four of them were viable....but he wanted to bring me into partnership with him (60/40)..but the responsibility to choose will be on me...

We are talking about money btw 28m and 40m...I knew this an opportunity from God..cos of every good gift comes from God according to scriptures...my bro...you can guess...I wasn't willing to make a choice like the one that ruined me b4 financially.

Long story short....I was desperate. This was a life time opportunity I took my bible and went into some bush...took the name of the four business on paper...I told God..you're my father...you're alive...you know all things..you gave the Holy Spirit so he can lead me....while lying on my matt and reading the word for about 4 hours I slept off...a voice just like anybody voice woke me saying...that's the business to buy (mentioning one of the business)..when I first heard the voice I thought it was somebody speaking so I looked around...but soon I realised I was alone in the bush...

Well it's four years now...two of the three remaining business had been shut down by the government cos of illegal practice by the owners which was hidden back then...the other one is not doing so well....cos we followed them up....

Anybody can say...oh how are u sure what you heard was God? My answer? The results that followed...chikenna. I don't even usually debate it...cos I have experience this severally and the results...the same...I have learnt the hard way to depend on my father to lead me even on things people will call insignificant....wether people term that providence or extrabiblical...I don't care...it's in the bible...it worked for people then...it working for me....

My point is: God can lead us in specific details not written in the Bible...doing that is not extrabiblical messages. When the angel gave Paul a message of assurance...it was not a revelation or message for doctrines.
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 2:58am On Dec 13, 2014
shdemidemi:


You guessed right bro.. If I were to meet those who heard God in scriptures, be sure I will ask the same question. If you don't want to share what God's audible voice sound like, it's fine. How often does He speak to you though?

I will be very foolish to respond to this your question...this is reason I so much hate all those groups, divisions (cessationanist, pentecostal, charismatic, Catholic...etc) that you people belong..divisions that are not even found in the bible itself. You people are either confusing yourself, or confusing people....you're either adding or substracting from the bible.

Throughout the entire Bible...no place did God depend on writings ONLY to communicate with his very own children...his people.
God's desire has always been A PERSONAL ONGOING LIVING RELATIONSHIP, COMMUNION with his children..and that's the reason for the Holy Spirit dwelling in us.

If your father...God...never speak to you except through writings...good...I wouldn't debate that you..it btw you n him...abi?..but then stop asking questions that you already know the answer.

I think...the biggest danger in all these groups una belong is that: because of pride...every division wants to prove superiority and correctness of doctrines and ' truths '.....whereas God never intented the bible for that purpose...

It's well....
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 8:54pm On Dec 12, 2014
shdemidemi:


If I may ask, have you heard?

You mean I have heard God speak to me? Absolutely YES...and I don't expect anybody to believe it...wether cessationanist, pentecostal, charismatic or pagan...I am none of those..
And the next question will be: what voice did he use?....well the same voice he used when he spoke to people throughout the entire bible....from Genesis to Revelation.
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 8:27pm On Dec 12, 2014
shdemidemi:


The bible accounts did not tell us but we believe He spoke because we trust the Word of God. I asked cos I have never heard it. If anyone of us have been privileged to hear it, he should be able to tell us in what voice He spoke. grin

Well...since God spoke to people in the Bible and they heard him....it matters not what voice he used...(I don't wanna go into that) the most important thing is that He spoke and people heard....

Abi?
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 7:51pm On Dec 12, 2014
shdemidemi:


The bible represent the foundation. It is full, it is complete, it is inherent.. The bible has given mankind everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him.

Any other way of hearing from God is exclusive, subjective, mooted, unsure. It can never give a full picture of the intent of God.



God lead us if we are truly sons. We don't know what or how he does this but we can only soar and follow in line with the instructions penned in scriptures. He does not need to speak audibly to us to lead or guide us. He does all of this through providence.



My common question is- In what voice does God speak to you... man's voice, boy's voice, baby's or in a girl's voice?

Our conscience isn't the voice of God, many erroneously conflate the two.

I can't believe you're asking what voice God's speak? When God dialogue with Abraham, spoke to Moses, spoke to the prophet..etc..during Jesus baptism....what it a man's , boy's or in a girl's voice ?....

Very funny question..got me laughing...when the Holy Spirit spoke through Agabus, what voice did he use? When God spoke through Balaam donkey...what voice did he use?
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 8:37am On Dec 12, 2014
There are somethings we shouldn't even be dabating....like the cessationanist saying God no longer speaks except through the bible..etc..like the catholics worshipping Mary..etc...like the Charismatic seing demons in everything and always claiming God says this n that...like God is a talkative....etc....

But because everyone is trying to prove superiority , correctness of doctrines and 'truths' we have become like confused people....things that are very clear in the bible that needs no debating....suddenly everyone brings out their surgical knives...and then...the confusion starts...

May God help us....
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 8:09am On Dec 12, 2014
[quote author=shdemidemi post=28796752]

No, it is not written verbatim in scripture as that but it makes for easier study so we don't jumble everything together like a novel.

God's relationship with Adam and Eve is different from his relationship with Moses for example.

Apostle Paul also made mention of the administration and dispensation of grace to the church as that which was given unto him.
Ephesians 3:2
King James Bible
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

The book of Acts is an historical book that recorded the acts of the apostles. It was a period where the church was birthed- jews first. There was a transition after Paul was called. The gospel was taken to a people who were strangers to the oracle and promise of God-Gentiles. Paul gradually took these people on as the Apostle to the gentiles- He revealed unto them the power of God unto salvation to anyone who will believe in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The old testament was a progressive revelation that led to Christ. After the death of Christ He appeared to Paul and commissioned him to herald a message He taught the Apostle


My questions has not been answered....
1. If something is not written verbetim in scriptures, why take it as a doctrine?
2. Eph 3 v 2 wasn't talking about dispensation the way we interpret it....the word: Dispensation in greek is 'oikonomia' which means office, oversight, administration, stewardship....in other words, Paul meant that: if ye have heard of the office, administration, oversight, stewardship of grace that has been given to him....

There's nothing like dispensation(the way we think it) in the Bible.....Agreed God's requirements from man changed from time to time....BUT THE INTENT, HEART OF THE FATHER FOR CREATING MAN WHICH IS FELLOWSHIP, COMMUNION HAS NEVER CHANGED.
God spoke with Adam not through a book, spoke with Noah not through a book, spoke with Abraham not through a book...spoke with Moses not through a book, spoke with Joshua not through a book ONLY....spoke with all the old testament figures not through a book ONLY..all these people heard the voice of God, had dreams, visions...etc....as God commune with them...

Now...down to the new testament....it's practically the same thing...they heard God through the old testament writings....but God also fellowship, commune, related to them through other means like his voice, dreams, visions, circumstances...etc...

It's only religious extremists that will claim that God has to stop doing all I said above. Yes the bible is the fundamental, the sure word...but not the ONLY way God speaks to his children today.

If God is my father...can he not lead me or talk to me about....school to go...whom to meet..etc .is God ..my father..not interested in the details of my life? If he is...is the bible specific about such details?

Yes...I detest the 'thus says the lord' of the Charismatic circles...cos most of them are just speaking from their mind...but then...authentically, God still speaks to his Children not through the bible ONLY...
Living, lively, ongoing, pausating....relationship, communication with a loving, caring father cannot be confined to writings ONLY...it was not so in the bible and it not so today...
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 6:47pm On Dec 11, 2014
[quote author=shdemidemi post=28795708]^^^Hi Sammie, thanks for adding your bit to the discourse. I will respond by saying we have seven dispensations in the bible where God related with man differently.

1) Innocence
2)conscience
3)Human government
4)Promise
5)Law
6)Grace
7)millennial kingdom

Though God is the same He had different conditions and convention for man at different time. He introduced the scripture when he gave Moses the law at mount Sinai. We are presently in the dispensation of the grace of God where the standard for being right with God rest in His Word. God's primary purpose, patience and longsuffering isn't to see the world get better but that many might come to the knowledge of salvation.


Please is there any scriptures to support the above?(the dispensation stuff)...I will like to know...even if there is.....what dispensation were the time of Acts? If it was grace...while didn't they entirely rely on the old testament writings? Why did God still communicated to them through dreams, visions...etc...even though they had the old testament writing?

Or is the dispensation of grace divided into parts?
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 6:20pm On Dec 11, 2014
It appears that the most difficult thing for Christians to do is to be balanced and wholistic...

The only side of an elephant you see is the part you can describe...I am never a charismatic, cessationanist, pentecostal...etc...and I will never be...any...

Now agreed...there are a lot of errors and excesses in the charismatic circles....likewise the cessationanist circles..no circles is exempted...

Yes...we should stick with the scriptures for doctrines....absolutely...but then to say that God is no longer speaking and that even if he speaks he only speaks through the bible is a blatant lie of the devil and should be taking as gibberish....

Let me ask : what was God original intent/purpose in his relationship with man? Did God give Adam a book or God spoke with him? How did God communicated with Adam n his wife?
If the only way God could communicate is through written word (sola sriptura), why did he not give Adam n his Wife a book?
Was Adam a Prophet, Pastor, teacher or even an Apostle?
What was the goal of Jesus Christ death and resurrection? Was it to restore man back to God like it was at the beginning which will be completed wholly in his scond coming? Why was Jesus called the second Adam?

Is Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever like the book of Hebrews said? What did God do in the past that He will/cannot do today?

There are a lot of fake miracles in the Charismatic circles...and I believe God will judge them...but then God still do plenty Genuine miracles through human vessels.( those who believe otherwise don't really know the heart of the Father)

For me..I take the good(the things consistent with God original intent from every side and then move towards the goal of being like Jesus).
Lets stay balanced....extremism is the reason for all the religious wars in the word.
Religion / Re: John Macarthur's 2013 Strange Fire Conference by sammied(m): 12:49pm On Dec 10, 2014
Please, I have some questions : Can someone who doesn't know how to read and write know and please God? Can a Christian who doesn't have any access to the bible...maybe he migrated to live in a locality that disallow the bible know and please God?

My grandfather was a stack illiterate Christian...yet he's the most devout Christian I ever know yet...how's that possible?

How did Enoch walked with God without any special writings?

My bible is my most precious possession....but what if I am thrown into a desert without ascess to my bible....can I still relate with God and grow in him?

Note: I do not support any of the group. I listening and learning
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Foreign Affairs / What's Wrong With Africa? by sammied(m): 4:17pm On Apr 26, 2013
I woke up this morning with deep thought of what really is wrong with Africa.(a) what is or are the underlying factor(s) of our problems?(b) why are we behind in the other of positive development in d world?(c) why is our mind so darkened to the extent that we fight ourselves and we have become our own enemies?
Could it be because of our color? is being black synominous with DARKNESS,BACKWARDNESS AND WICKEDNESS?...Could it be colonization, religion, devil....etc...
Pls I want intelligent answers to the above questions and inputs from great minds.
Lastly...we have seen countries like..Singapore, china,Japan,south Korea,Brazil even India..etc rise from far worst situation dan africa to become great countries.....SO IS THERE HOPE FOR AFRICAN COUNTRIES? if yes..what are or is the hope?
Thanks, God bless Africa!!!
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I woke up this morning with deep thought of what really is wrong with Africa.(a) what is or are the underlying factor(s) of our problems?(b) why are we behind in the other of positive development in d world?(c) why is our mind so darkened to the extent that we fight ourselves and we have become our own enemies?
Could it be because of our color? is being black synominous with DARKNESS,BACKWARDNESS AND WICKEDNESS?...Could it be colonization, religion, devil....etc...
Pls I want intelligent answers to the above questions and inputs from great minds.
Lastly...we have seen countries like..Singapore, china,Japan,south Korea,Brazil even India..etc rise from far worst situation dan africa to become great countries.....SO IS THERE HOPE FOR AFRICAN COUNTRIES? if yes..what are or is the hope?
Thanks, God bless Africa!!!
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[quote author=timecop28]

Bros, haven't u heard of a lot of divorce issues coz the sex wasn't good enough? or why do u think some men/women become adulterous after barely few mnths into their marriage. For me, my woman must be very very very very good in bed to even qualify to be my partner talkless of a wife.
How i else do i find out? A broda gotta test![/quot

testing b4 marriage is not a guarantee dat d marriage will stand d test of time..u only need to look at America were people meet and immediately go into sex..yet d divorce rate in america due to infidelity is over 60%...d highest in d world..the truth is A MAN OR WOMAN WHO CANNOT ABSTAIN FROM SEX B4 MARRIAGE DOES NOT RESPECT THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE..and dats already a wrong foundation for d marriage..the days of old our parents waited untill after marriage..and divorce and infidelity was almost non-existence...EVENTHOUGH THINGS AND PEOPLE CHANGE...REMEMBER PRINCIPLES NEVER CHANGE..SEX IS FOR DUELLY MARRIED PEOPLE.

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Romance / Re: Guys, Can You Marry No Testing? by sammied(m): 10:06am On Apr 25, 2013
jmoore:

clap for yourself. When you become a father you can give your daughters for test driving.. smh

don't mind him..wen he becomes a father let him give out his daughter for men to test drive...den he will understand..it is only irresponsible men dat demand sex before marriage and it is only women who has lost d value of dere life and longer have virtues dat give demself to men who av not duelly committed themself in marriage...

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