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The whole episode from slapping and 'bragging' is very disturbing and comical to say the list.

'By their fruit you shall know them' or was it by their fruit you shall talk about them? Either ways, talking about it is not bad in itself but how we do the talking is what matters the most.

God help us Church.

@ sammy79
[b][i]i appreciate your view and i sense a tone of maturity and direction in your post.

i want you to know that there are levels in spiritual maturity. errors cannot be totally overuled but please note that at the level of the MOG which is definitely not a junior level, errors are strictly dealt with and quickly too by God Himself. take the case of Moses and the rock, it was an instant judgement cos at the level Moses operated, some mistakes are not condoned at all.

my point is this: if the MOG made a mistake, God who called him will deal appropriately and decisively with him. no man has been appointed to correct the MOG. i feel very sorry for many people that have run terrible comments about the MOG, well i think they are ignorant of what God did to those guys that rose up against Moses in the wilderness. but God is very merciful sha.
and do not rule out the fact that even the MOG mistakes can be turned into , (i do not think many can handle some truths so they do not misquote me).  do not try interpreting or mind reading the girl. do you know what witchcraft really means? its not about the blood and flying, its about manipulations of the devil, holding you captive against Gods plan for you, making and manipulating your mind to do things against Gods will. many things to be said but i must go to bed now. gud 9t.[/sub][/b][/sup]


Omopastor, hope you had a well rested night. I just have in mind to point out some issues from your reply. In the end you are rightfully entitled to your views anyways.

1. God's love surpasses what we think- He weights the heart and then proceeds to our attitude/character before He judges. Moses' actions (as you mentioned), Aaron and Miriams were issues of the heart and character and God judged accordingly. I agree with you that the deeper you go in God, the greater the expectation He places in us but note that Miriam and Aaron, in this case, were punished not solely because they grumbled but because their heart was not with compassion and love for Moses. The issue is always with our heart. Jethro, on the other hand, demonstrated a heart of concern and understanding for Moses and 'corrected' Moses on how to run administration of the people of God. Moses heed Jethro's advice and he was the better for it. May be if Jethro had come with pompous attitude God could have smite him, we don't know but there is much to suggest this could have been the case.

2. 'No man has been appointed to correct the MOG'- in addition to my example of Jethro to Moses, who are off course men and not God, we have various examples in the Bible where men corrected men of God/ servants of God. See Paul to Peter that I have talked about. What about Samuel to the anointed Saul? Think about Nathan to David when David committed adultery and murdered Urriah. All of these were MEN regardless of whether they were servants of God.

In a bit more detail, it is one thing to be in the capacity to correct i.e go the Bishop and say to him that what he did was wrong and it is another thing to discern in your heart that the act was wrong but not in the capacity to meet the Bishop to correct him. One place I see clearly where the Bible say an elder should not rebuked (an elder because of age and not office as used in this context) is in 1 Ti 5:11 YET it says 'INTREAT/ENTREAT him' meaning to exhort him (in love and patience). So If am older than the Bishop it qualifies me to go and meet him face to face and correct him as I deem fit. The point here is that men have been appointed to correct one another BUT in love!

Should we now talk about it if we are not 'qualified' to correct the Bishop? Yes, but in the right attitude of love and not hate. This is what makes the difference in the sight of God. AGAIN, it is our heart/attitude that God weights. If I talk about this act of the Bishop in a profane and blasphemous manner, God knows and if I do out of the fear of God, God knows but We are at liberty as Christians to discuss issues happening in Christendom and as it regards servants of God. They are for our example, just as the Bible also recorded.

God bless

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This is for Omopastor and those reflecting her views,

Having read through your posts on this topic, I feel I can understand your point to some extent: you have a personal respect for the Bishop and that is okay. Some people still do and others don't. No problems with that. He is probably a model for you and many others out there but do not forget that he is a man like any other and only our Lord Jesus Christ has got the fullness of the Spirit. In my opinion, the Bishop over-reacted and it is a mistake, although a costly one for a MOG in public eye. I hope he realises it. If you are in his shoes what would you have done and what would Jesus have done?

This is not what it means to judge him. It is our responsibility as Christians to grow in spiritual discernment, knowing what is right and wrong character-wise and in this case, the act was wrong. Also, remember when Paul rebuked Peter about his act of hypocrisy( double-dealing with the circumcised Jews). Paul was not judging him but condemning his actions in love. We must correct anomalies in body of Christ in this manner without fear or favour.

Smith Wigglesworth, as someone mentioned, operated with an aggressive faith but he was as well evidently filled with compassion and positive result in his deliverance sessions. This is not to be compared. Also Jesus never needed to assault individuals personally by chasing them out the temple. In this case, His act required human intervention and it yielded the expected result- the temple was evacuated by sellers and buyers. But the act of slapping does not cast out demonic spirits as we all know that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.

Witch for Jesus, Winch for Jesus etc could mean anything the girl is trying to say. Regardless of whether she is possessed of not. If I say, like Apostle Paul, that I am a' fool' for Christ does that make someone say 'Christ does not have fools'? Totally out of context! Like I said in my previous response, the girl probably need some form of help which could be administered to her in private medical, spiritual and counseling session and not through public display.

I was personally disappointed to see church deliverance conducted in this manner. I expected it to be private and properly organised and not a public display unless may be in an open-air crusade style meeting. Even in this case, it can be properly managed. I will only subscribe to this style administering deliverance if the girl was just met in the streets which will then be similar to Jesus' style of public ministry!

dare2think- I completely agree with your view. This is clear case of abuse. Should we abuse the 'flesh' (humans) in the name of God or in God's defense instead of dealing with the evil in them? We do not wrestle with flesh and blood. Where is wisdom? Jesus didn't beat Mary up before she was delivered from her demonic possession? Even when Ananias and Sapphira lied to Peter, they were not bitten up but Peter just spoke the word of God (not in judgement) but instead, what God had determined against them. God directly executed the judgement in this case. Physical abuse, especially without any positive outcome, has no biblical basis.

In my opinion, the girl surely need some form of help but completely naive and ignorant. This is reflected in her words. I would recommend taking her aside for further examination (private medical/spiritual counseling and deliverance session) instead of slapping her publicly and telling her to go to hell because she is not ready for deliverance. I think a little show of compassion could have made all the difference and not a public show!

I don't agree with this act in any way and those who feel that the the girl had the effrontery to confront the MOG of such 'caliber' should not forget that we all are humans but operating with grace under God.It is not to dispute whether the call of God on the life of the Bishop is genuine or not. We all should be able to discern the truth and operation of the spirit of God.

God help us Church.

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You will be DIGGING your grave if you follow the advise of declaring your passport missing! It simply meant that your case is fraud if you do this and it will definetely backfire .BUT the onus is now on you to prove that the agent put the fake stamp on your passport (this can be very diifcult).

So where do you want to start? Start from where it was impounded and walk your way up. Remember! God will be on your side if your case is genuine. PLEASE know that being a genuine case does not automatically solve the problem rather the immigration will simply advise you apply and pay for another passport. If you think it is not genuine case, don't waste your time and resources, but wait for the tampered passport to expire after which you will apply for a new one.

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Refering to your post above, Gbyte, I think it will be most polite to pass the thread if you are not interested rather than deliberately insunuate against whoever may be interested. The worst you could do is to negotiate the price if you are interested but you are not. I know how much I bought the device and believe I have the liberty to fix my price and buyers have the liberty to either buy or walk away. We  don't go about bad-mouthing sellers on Amazon/ Ebay all because you have access to a cheaper bargain from somewhere else. I took this very personal and would hope that we show some sense of maturity in placing posts like this on forum.

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A pyschoanalysis of how the "white" people work shows that they don't like being told how to do their job or being asked to speed up a process where they have the absolute responsibility. Hence, there is nothing more you can do to prompt the BHC to issue your Entry Clearance than to wait patiently.You have already overcome the hard part, so just wait.

You remember the proverb of the Tortoise who spent 2 weeks at the bottom of a pit laterine? When someone came to tell him that help was on the way after spending 2 weeks in the pit he said "Please come and take me out of here quickly, I can not stand the smell here any longer".  

Thank's for the reply above.

I am still quite worried that since the last advice from the forum ( over 1 month ago), I haven't been called upon by the BDHC, the appeal promulgation July 4th, 2008 and they confirmed to have recieved the determination in a reply email to me on the 19th August,2008.

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Thanks so much for your welcome advise, I've got to wait then!

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I will be grateful to have anybody's advice as well, to my post above,

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Hi Londoncool, I will like to use this opportunity to appreciate your valued contribution on this forum. I've been a member for some time now

Please can you advise on what I need to do to get the BDHC speed up my application?. I appealed and the appeal was allowed since the 4th, July. I've pasted below the latest correspondence i recieved from them two weeks ago. I will apreciate your sugestions.

Thanks

19 August 2008
LAG/XXXXXX


Dear Sir

RE: Status of appeal

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the repaires have been postponed to next month, first week in August!!!!

no be road BRT go follow abi na water, Surulere, Apapa no bi option, i

t will be hectic,

I think it's just good for the repiars to go on, the poor masses will suffer it now or later.

Its like post-poning the evil-day. The rich elite will always find alternatives but whether its done now or later, the poor populace will bear the whole problem.

Later than never, !!!!!

, i think it will be fair of you to apologise for this wrong accusation, xammy.