₦airaland Forum

Truthseeker10:
But you did tell me to seek God in the case of Tb Joshua. Can you clearly see your Hypocrisy?

It's not hypocrisy. We see, know, and hear in parts. Don't expect me to able to validate if all ministers of God are genuine or fake. No one person can do that. My validation of TBJ doesn't mean you should go there. It's only my personal opinion of him and choosing to be mute on the other two persons doesn't mean they're fake. You can choose to worship at any of the churches as the Spirit leads you.

Truthseeker10:
What of Odumeje and Jeremiah's fufuyin Miracles?

You could seek God to learn more about them.

Truthseeker10:
Is Tb Joshua and Odumeje power also about the Almighty God?

Do you watch Emmanuel TV? Ever wondered that the prophet is no longer with us physically but his prayers still carry power? Of course, everything that happens in the Synagogue is of God.

EvilMerodack:
And you go follow preach against tri-b-a-li-sm for another thread

Nothing suggest tri-b-a-li-sm in that comment o. I only said the place is dirty because I've worked there in the past. You guys should up your game. Don't misunderstand me please.

Truthseeker10:
So those who contribute to building the physical structure of worship places should not do evangelism?

I never said so, please. Do whatever you can as long as it uplifts the body of Christ.

Putinofrussia:
Tax is legitimate and all nations of the world collect tax from their citizens.Tax is ordained by God in the Bible and the Quran.
If you don't pay tax,know that you are not an authentic human.
Nigerian tax is one of the worst in the world.
We don't pay tax in Nigeria and this is the reason Nigeria is poor because we rely solely on oil while our leaders are chronically corrupt.
We have seen that this govt is using our revenue (which has dwindled greatly) diligently,mind you that we can't rule out corruption because it has been there since the creation of Nigeria or even the world.Nobody in the world can completely erase corruption because it is a human trait but can be minimised especially with tech.
China just executed an official recently for corruption.It is in the news day before yesterday that an official of USA govt has been indicted for corruption.
Tinubu is doing a lot of infrastructures all over the nation.Massive ones that had never been done in Nigeria before.
They will surely need money and tax is one of them.
Nobody taxes like the developed nations and this is why they are rich and serious.
Out of 100 taxes paid in sane nations,Nigeria has never taxed up to 30.Their stupidity is their fixation on oil,oil and oil.

You praise Tinubu because you've not gone anywhere outside the south west. Of course, you were not expecting he doesn't develop his own region. Outside the SW, what has actually improved in other places? Has light improved? Do we have roads? Can we afford basic living standard? These are the issues. Tinubu removed subsidy and use the proceeds to empower governors and other politicians. I don't see anything that has improved under him. I'm not even concerned about corruption. That's their thing. I'm concerned about tangible things that he's done especially in the area of improving the standard of life of the people.

My brother, WeirdAlien

1. Jesus would be more interested in beautiful hearts and purity than buildings that will be destroyed when this world ends. Your are now God's temple. (1 Cor 3:16). Jesus told the woman , who referenced the temple in Jerusalem as where to worship, that the time has come when people will worship God in Spirit and in truth (John 4:19-24). That is your cue that the era of architectural buildings had ended.

Your problem is lack of understanding and that's making you act as an extremist. And it's not even like your argument is superior. As much as worshipping God in spirit and in truth is paramount, God's people will still gather and you don't expect them to gather in open spaces or shade. No one is asking for your money. Keep your money brother but God's people would still build churches. It's one thing whether they worship according to the Bible and another thing where they worship. However, both are important. That's a fact and you can't change it.

2. I'm giving examples of what giving in church should be like. You don't have to remind people every Sunday to give multiple offerings (tithes, love offering, building offering, Thanksgiving offering, special offering, etc etc). This happens because the church is biting more than what it can chew - exotic buildings and equipment that require a lot of money to maintain, so you have to keep reminding people to give money to fund these avoidable expenses.

I'm not ignorant of the fact that some ministers abuse giving and demand more than what should be. However, we all should know that giving is voluntary. Meanwhile, there are people in some churches that have given their lives to giving or rising up for the things of God whenever you call on them. They don't complain. Would you also say these sort of people are forced to give? No! They give based on conviction. By the way, if they call for a specific type of giving and you don't have, no one will beat or force you to give. So what's your complaint? If they give you envelope for offering and you don't have, return the envelope. No one's going to beat you. Giving is purely based on your strength and conviction. Forget the number of times they call for it or the nature. Only do what you can. God knows that's the best you can do.

3. The way we collect offerings in Nigerian churches will make you to want to drop something even if it's grudgingly, because you either feel guilty about dropping an empty envelope, or feel ashamed of remaining on your seat while others are dancing forward. Either way Pastors don't care as long as you drop something.

Focus on God. No need feeling bad or ashamed. No need comparing yourself with others. Do only what you can. God is aware. Of course, Pastors care because they can't force the money out of your pocket. Work with what you know about giving according to God's Word, and not necessarily about what the Pastor wants you to give for. If what they say makes sense to you, rise for it, else ignore. God won't condemn you because of that. Stop this argument or excuse about Pastors calling for different types of giving. They are not imposing them on you.

4. Acts 7:47-49 says Solomon built a temple for Him, but God doesn't dwell in temples made by humans. So it's all vanity. In fact Solomon's temple was destroyed (God allowed it) and the one built as replacement was also destroyed and replaced by a mosque! (God also allowed that). If God allowed the most beautiful temple ever to be destroyed , it's your sign that He cares not about material things. You're just suffering yourselves to do works He didn't send you to do.

Why do you wear clothes and look nice? Can't you still make heaven even if you walk naked? No one says you'll take the building to heaven. But many have given their lives to Christ as a result of coming into that building. Many are now helping convert others as a result of coming into that building. That building you are condemning has house many homeless people, especially when they were facing crisis. Many of our ministers and church workers stay in that building. So what exactly are you saying?[/quote]

5. When the Spirit of God moves in any gathering. You won't remember if you're in a cathedral or under a cashew tree. That joy and peace, healing and blessings you received will follow you everywhere you go.

I'm not saying church building is a bad thing. But it shouldn't put financial burden on members to construct and maintain. In fact it's not important.
And note how I've quoted scriptures to support my points. You haven't done that - you're just arguing.

It's immaterial whether it's important to you or not. As long as it's important to the people that pool their resources toward the construction, that's okay. Feel free to setup your own church in a shade or under a cashew tree. People would still come. God's power would still move. Allow those that prefer going to nice places of worship to do so. You talked about quoting scriptures. That's not necessary. I'm not writing a book. I'm a Christian and I know God's Word to talk about it without quoting scriptures.

So which one are corrupt politicians responsible for?

ufotunang:
..if the organ was not developing then how was he urinating all this while for the past 4 years ago

Very possible. Just imagine when this devilish guys 'collect' people's organ.

WeirdAlien:
Fancy buildings, large auditoriums, etc. God doesn't care about all that. Jesus preached everywhere - street, shore, boats, people's homes - He didn't limit Himself to the temple. And everywhere people were blessed spiritually, with food, and healings.
In fact the Bible repeatedly says "God does not dwell in temples made with human hands" (Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24). The early church of the Apostles had no buildings - they mostly met in homes. Until 300 years later when the Romans hijacked the church.

UK as an example, churches don't stress themselves for buildings again (apart from Anglican and catholic buildings that have been there for centuries). They simply look for events halls in schools, hotels, etc. In fact some of them use different venues every week/month. Most use the sound system of the hall and maybe bring a few tweaks, and most musical instruments are personally owned - you bring your guitar or sax to add to the music if you own one. Nothing like "contribute money for new amplifier or Korg Piano" or "we need money to redecorate the altar". No materialism. Yet no hypocrisy or pretense. Many churches don't even collect ANY offering, if you want to give the website is there 24/7 - they don't even announce it. If you receive true gospel no one will cajole you to bring money, it will come from within. Calm atmosphere where people will reach out to you because they sincerely care for you.

Jesus said "my yoke is easy and my burden is light". But naija churches will place additional load and burden on your head. You're simply serving human desires rather than God.

I wish we could meet physically to talk more about these issues. Do you think if Jesus was born in this civilization He won't approve fine buildings and technology in God's work? Mind you, some of the structures raised by people of the Bible is still standing till today. Go to Greece and other places and you'll find them. What's that telling you? Quality and beauty!

On the issue of giving in the church, it's purely voluntary in most cases based on convictions in Christ that's working for the giver. So you can't stop them from giving. It's wrong not to give room for taking offering in the church. I don't know how some of you want the church to be. If you go to the fine churches, won't you enjoy sitting there? Haven't you heard of the church Solomon built for God? Mind you, no church in this world today have spent close to what Solomon spent. It was magnificent—7 years work with plenty of laborers. Figure that.

Listen to me: the buildings may not be the most important in the body of Christ, but it's needful. If you can't contribute to building the church, do evangelism. Just do what you can as long as your effort contributes to lifting the entire body.

LagosOrigin:
This one is not a biafra agitator, he's a criminal .

Thumbs up to the Nigerian army 🪖

That's true. He should be tried according to the law.

greygoblings:
God's Business... lol... We all know the scams

Yes. I said God's business. Interpret it how you want. Better still, start yours or get lost.

ufotunang:
..that boy is up to 3 years old..so all this while how has the boy been urinating before?

Most likely, the organ was not developing—NOT that it wasn't there at all.

Mabuggi88:
VDM over to you.

In as much as I believe in natural miracles, do you think this is possible at a blow? Not gradually as will be supported by medical view?

What would the parents gain to say it happened when it did not? Besides, Apostle Suleman isn't a newcomer in God's business. Edo isn't far. Anyone doubting is free to go check the child and also go to where the child was born to verify.

CoronaVirusPro:
The pastor and the parents need to be arrested and jailed.

Keep kwayet. This isn't about hitting head on the ground. This is about the almighty God.

WeirdAlien:
"These people honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me - Matt 15:8" Yes there is church without Christ, even if of God/Christ is in the church's name.

Non-christian politicians donate heavily to church every time to buy people's conscience. Without any faith in Jesus whatsoever.

People won't come public to say they regret giving money to church building, because they've been brainwashed to believe giving to church means giving to God.

Obviously you've been conditioned to think church is the place where you find God, or build a relationship with Him.

You may not find God or build a relationship with Him in church as you claim. However, the Bible says do not forsake the gathering of the brethren. Were you expecting they gather under a shade? Or some dilapidated structure? Stop this argument, sir. As much as important to build people, it's also important to build the church. You don't expect people go stay in a dirty place of worship.

madridguy:
She is not serious for calling out our beloved country online. No one is holding her, she should switch to another country.

Mtchew

Beloved country today because your party is in power and you are enjoying from the corruption therein. When it wasn't favoring you guys, you wanted split.

ednut1:
Over 20k youths came for this on a working day. Too many jobless people in Nigeria mehn

Also she cleaned the pot barefooted with mop 😂

No be Lagos she dey? Una clean?

Raypawer:
A working nation starts with honest citizens

Ask yourself how many Nigerian Dads would do that?

Patriotism at the highest level

Make I hear abeg. Who failed the son? Is it not the father? If only he raised him well, we won't be witnessing this today. He should be ashamed of himself.

Toscarel:
How did the ign0rant crowd allow that kidnapper and accomplice escape?

I'm finding it hard to believe the story because of your comment here. There's no way the crowd would have allowed the kidnapper to escape. How exactly was he able to withdraw into his car in the middle of the argument? Aka road is a very busy road and there's no way the kidnapper would escape so fast. Again, the woman claim she doesn't speak Ibibio, how manage is she now writing in Ibibio? Lastly, no kidnapper would drive to go kidnap someone alone because you just can't do it except you shoot the person. I'm not convinced.

Here we go again. No day that passes without news of kidnapping in Nigeria. Of course, APC blood-sucking miscreants will turn a blind eye to this and begin attacking Peter Obi.

Those boys are too average and lazy. They are just too bad. No coach can do magic with them.

Mitsurugi:
This is a very sad image for Nigeria. He's likely Akwa-Ibom (for NCAN militants) but you can see the American government doesn't deal with tribe. They deal with nationality.

So you know he's likely Akwa Ibom because you are most likely from there or Cross River and you feel you should name his origin. Shame on you.

ElevationD:
Sorry, you are the comedian here please.
I wonder how you have reasoned that way. Maybe you intend to physically obstruct her resume at the gate.

You enjoy representation by your Senator and expect others not to enjoy representation by their Senators until 2027. As a youth, you think that way. So sad that APC has such people as you and yet you want a “better Nigerian”.

Nobody is enjoying any form of representation from any senator. This is Natasha's personal struggle. By the way, if the senate don't assent her resumption, then I don't see her resuming. Her lawyer can say whatever, it won't change anything.

miketayo:
I don't think surrender is the appropriate verb for that sentence.
We were thought to give willingly, out of love

That's true. Out of love that works, not love that you don't believe in.

miketayo:
By "Building themselves " are you referring to increment in numbers or getting closer to God?

If you are actually following from the comment I responded, I was referring to the physical church, which is as a result of the change they first receive from their involvement with the church. So, church works. Directly or indirectly, there's something that makes the people surrender their money towards building the church.

WeirdAlien:
"Church works"?? Not Jesus Christ works?
Obviously, and this is the point I was making originally, it's a lot more about the church than about Christ.
It's more of how much you're in church and how much of church is in you - Nigerian Christianity.
Focusing on the material - mega buildings, expensive equipment and vehicles than place "heavy financial yoke" on members.
That is not the yoke of Christ.

You are the one confusing yourself. What's the church without Christ? If I say church works, it simply means Jesus Christ works. No one will contribute a substantial amount to the building of any church without having a strong faith in Jesus. Have you seen anyone coming to the public to regret about their contribution towards church building project? That's because they believe in the blessings that their involvement in the church will or have brought to their life. What else do you want to say?

Obavoh:
I have entered the Calabar’s woman canteen to eat a few times. The food is good but I love the Hausa food also.

Eba & Soup= ₦1,200. ( I have forgotten the name of the soup, please remind me )

Stew Rice with meat & fish= ₦1800

Pounded yam & Egwusi = ₦2000

I noticed that to eat southern Food you need to add a lot of Protein like Meat fish or Chicken to enjoy it but it is not the same in the North

Even you that's complaining, if you come to Calabar and eat from real Calabar restaurant, you'd hate foods from the North. Forget the so-called Calabar people cooking there. They don't come close to what you'd get if you were in Calabar.

ndidibabe:
Surprised to see a Nigerian say this. Nigeria played a good game yesterday.

Good game my foot. That's how they've been playing good games and today we're struggling with qualifying for the world cup tournament. What exactly does good game mean to you? The super eagles practically struggles with every game. Let them rest and let the best from Africa go. We'll still enjoy the world cup without them.

miketayo:
The people are the church not the pew or the building. They can as well gather under a tree.

So if the people are the church, what's wrong with them building themselves?

WeirdAlien:
The transformation, while not bad, is not a reflection of the people's spiritual growth.
In fact, it seems to have achieved the opposite.

You don't know what you are saying. The transformation simply means church works—at least, the people bringing their resources for the building of the church believe it works. So, let's leave it there.