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Kholiwe:
1 I don't care about your argument neither did I tell you about Messi role

2 Ronaldo in that all conquering Barca team will demolish all football goal records. David Villa was enjoying such benefits when playing for Spain and banging In goals on a regular and he is not up to Ronaldo toe nails.

3 Messi had enjoyed playing with the better players,Same club,same system and a stable team through out his career more than Ronaldo.

If you raise this issue, they will say he have scored all the biggest team England yen yen, why is he struggling in the NT side, scoring paltry of over 30+ competitive goal for Argentina, amassing a huge chunk from playing friendly with Bolivia nd co.

Messi issa huge fraud no one can change my mind.

randomperson:
Why are you avoiding my argument?

1. Ronaldo couldn't have played Messi's role in that team

2. Ronaldo has had better coaches and managers. Do you agree?

So better coach now equates better players

patrickmuf:
Well, you never can tell...By next summer, I expect him to make the move.

That contract he signed may make it hard for him to leave, cos those guys would want to cash out big in the essence of 100 milli plus

randomperson:
Do you know the meaning of false nine?

And you are still avoiding the issue of assists. I wonder why

He is register, deep lying sweeping ghen ghen artificial striker

shedo4sure:
so Messi that forced Eto, Henry, Villa and Zlatan to the wings was really a playmaker in that team? I guess Xavi and Iniesta were strikers then.

Any agenda to fit their narrative

patrickmuf:
Mane and Son because they are far more effective (Talking about numbers and the fact that they can play anywhere across the front line without a drop in quality)

If Grealish was to be in that Liverpool team don't you think his stats will be decent, Aston Villa was piss poor last, the reason for his poverty stricken no, for Instance Ben Chilwell as equal is goal and assist tally of last season in just 6 or 7 games, if Grealish is in an attack dominant team his numbers will be robust nd rotund

BlueAngel444:
Mane (or Son) and Pulisic (wouldn't want to have two 28year old wingers)

You are being unfair to Sterling that has been dominating the premier for some years

benji93:
Oh my oh my, what kind of bullshit stat is this? Very disingenuous. Earlier you put forward a stat that considered 476 and 438 games for Messi and Ronaldo repsectively, but now you carefully selected 101 games to create a semblance of a higher number of assists. .You no go take laugh kill me. Let me help you out. In the number of games mentioned above they had 176 and 119 assists respectively. I'll let you do the ratio yourself. . Wetin pain me pass be say you no get shame to post that stat.Ah. . You no try at all. Sorry for going through all the trouble of carefully selecting that stat.

Anything that make your prick erect

Ronaldo is the undisputed goat

BlueAngel444:
Best LWs in EPL
My Ranking
1. Mane
2. Sterling
3. Son
4. Rashford
5. Pulisic
6. Zaha
7. Grealish
8. Jota
9. Richarlison
10. Harvey Banes

As a coach, if you being offered the chance to sig just to two players from the options above, who and who would it be?

benji93:
Yes, your head dey there. . Ronaldo has a slightly better goal to game ratio. Now, look at the assists. Don't ignore it.

Here you go boss

UCL

Ronaldo

Games 101
Goals 105
Assists. 27


Messi

Games. 92
Goals. 83
Assists. 20

Anything more

benji93:
Be specific man. Goal to game or Goal to minutes played. Also please if you want to talk about goal to anything, it should be for the entire period they competed in the same league.

According to their goal per minutes, Ronaldo outscored Messi both Laliga and Cl competition for the entire 9 years in spent in the Canaan land (flowing with milk and honey)

[quote author=BlueAngel444 post=96184916]thank God Ronaldo moved to la liga if not, that's how pipo would have thought what Messi is doing nobody can do it[/Quote]

I tell you bro, Ronaldo too had a taste of Laliga goodies which Messi have been enjoying for long to the fullest, imagine scoring over 300 goals after turning 30, Laliga issay osho free

patrickmuf:
The records are there, check it up yourself...

I am done with this...What is it sef? Lol

Ronaldo
Overall goals: 450 goals, 438 games,
Games - Goals ratio: 1.02

Messi
Overall goals: 472 goals, 477 games,
Games - Goals ratio: 0.98

What eles?

randomperson:
1. I see you are not very smart. How can anyone say Ronaldo's goal tally was just slightly higher. In man utd, he scored an average of 5 goals in the UCL per season. At madrid, he scored an average of 11.6 per season.

That's more than double his average at man utd but according to you, his goal tally was just slightly higher. It's obvious you dont know maths.

2. Real madrid won the la liga two out of the three seasons before ronaldo joined. The three seasons after Ronaldo joined they won, they only won once.

And it was not Ronaldo that improved them in champions league because the season he joined they were eliminated by ordinary Lyon in the round of 16. It was after Mourinho came that they started making the semifinals.

Ronaldo was there for 4 years without winning the champions league until they added bale and modric and they won four UCLs in five years.

Those are the facts. Your propaganda has failed.

3. It's incredibly foolish of you to compare the goal average of someone who played his whole career, including his teenage years in a league to someone who only played in the league during his prime.

Salah has a better goal per match average than Ronaldo in the EPL, does it mean Salah is better than Ronaldo?

4. I'm not saying no one gives Ronaldo goat shouts, but you cannot compare it to Messi's. You even have Ronaldo's former teammates and man utd legends call Messi the goat. Rooney, Scholes and David Beckham all recognize Messi as the better and greater player.

This is a link of legends choosing between the two:

https://www.givemesport.com/1559110-football-legends-who-have-chosen-between-cristiano-ronaldo-and-lionel-messi?amp

Here is another link of Peter crouch asking past and current EPL players to choose between them:

https://www.givemesport.com/1559110-football-legends-who-have-chosen-between-cristiano-ronaldo-and-lionel-messi?amp

If even EPL players can choose Messi over Ronaldo, then the truth is in front of you but you cannot admit it because of sentiments.

And that's completely okay, we will admit it for you

Which truth, as for me and my family a serial bottler and loser can never be my goat

afrodoc2:
Donnarumma is just starting. If he retires today nobody will rate him above Sebastian Frey dem.

He should check back in 5 yrs.

I agree, but he is no push over among5his peers.

patrickmuf:
For the time spent in Spain, Messi outscored him.

Just to point it out, Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi so, for Messi to be a couple of goals off his overall career total whilst having more assist shows you how great a player he is...

Prove it, Ronaldo had more best goal ratio for the time spent in the Laliga, that should tell you something. bring out their stats.

randomperson:
Omo! This your rant no just follow at all. Lemme try to make sense of what you said and rebut your points one after the other:

1. If Ronaldo's goalscoring tally improved in la liga because of shitty la liga defenders, why did his goalscoring also improve in champions league after his move to real Madrid? Make sure you answer this please.

2. Are you seriously arguing that Manchester United had a better team than Real madrid? Because if you are, you are clueless. Real Madrid bought two recent world bests in a transfer window to a team that was already star-studded. The only thing Man utd had over real Madrid then was Fergie.

3. With regards to your claim that EPL is more competitive, competitiveness does not connotes quality. Or is the Nigerian league better than EPL because it is more competitive?

4. And I'm not the only one that called him greatest ever, people like Klopp, Rooney, Henry, people that their opinions matter in the football word believe that he is already the greatest ever.

So you can throw tantrums if you like, the people that matter mostly consider him the GOAT, your opinion doesn't matter outside nairaland

1. Ronaldo Cl goals tally in Real was just slightly higher than his figure in United, compared to his astronomical goal increase from 20+ in the Epl to consistence 40+ goals in the Laliga

2. You are the one very clueless and still arrogant with with your cluessness, Real Madrid was in shambles before the arrival of Ronaldo in 2009, infact they were Perennial Uefa Champions league Round of 16 or Quater finalist team at best, despite their galatico signing and Owambe unveiling party, with little to nothing of domestic league sucess. Meanwhile Manyoo were on steroids winning the league three times in a row, with back to back Champions league final appearances. So that narrative you want to paint will not fly.

3 The premier league is the most competitive league thereby difficult for attackers to be pulling outrageous nubers. Ronaldo proved Laliga is easy. He scored most of his goals in Laliga, in the time frame he scored more goals than any other Laliga player... Ronaldo has the best goal ratio in Laliga history.. He left with the most hatrick until Messi recently broke his record, he was the first player to reach 200 goals and 300 goals in Laliga history... it was only in Laliga he scored more goals than the number of games played. 60%-70% of his career goal came in the osho free league, you guys always use Messi to brag about.

4. So no one gave Ronaldo goat shout too, Sir Ferguson, Diego Simeone, Maradona, Zidane, Mbappe, Halaand, and the didn't idolize Cr7 and called him the best?.... I guess the brain is just for aesthetics and decoration if we can't argue for or against with sailent point. My opinion does not matter but yours is the judge and jury?

Roland17:
Toldo was so underrated during his time. His era had the best hands for Italy and the competition was tough.

Yeah, he was a magnet in the post back then, thanks to Winning Eleven

afrodoc2:
Zoff, Albertosi, Zenga, Pagliuca, Peruzzi, Buffon, Toldo, Marchegiani.

I think Donaruma too is from Italy

Unlimited22:
I'm a bit young so for Spain I can only point out Zubizarreta, Casillas, De Gea, Valdes, Reina and Canizares.

But Germany you have Maier, Kahn, Lehmann, Neuer, MATS, Leno, Butt, Weidenfeller etc etc

Why the deliberate omission of Spanish costliest goalie, doesn't he deserve a goat shout

thorrvik55:
Lol.. He is average at best but somehow he managed to sit Leroy Sane on the bench.

U even managed to sneak in Rashford and Richarlison (LOL) as a better LW than Sterling.. Wonders shall never end. City create one million goal scoring chances a game and Aguero has not won golden boot even once since Pep's arrival..

The only LWs better than Sterling are Mane/Son and those guys are way older and more experienced than him so it's understandable. Sterling has been balling right from his Liverpool days b4 he even moved to City so this ur 1million chances agenda is DOA

I did not in any way claim those players a better than Sterling, my point remain, that Sterling not that exceptional the way you're going about it. After is transfer to City we all knew the poverty numbers he was dropping for City for close to 2 years b4 Guardiola took charge. Put those guys earlier mentioned in the city's squad and see them putting up double figures similar to that of Sterling. Don't forget too that Sane delivered double figure when playing consistently for a whole season before Mahrez was bought the nxt season. Aguero's case different now, It is well known fact that Aguero automatically misses 2-3 month every season due to injury, so his chances of winning the golden boot are slim.

Ziyech with an assist

Openbusiness:
But that's Davido in her DM na bursted

Are you a novice, that stuff up there is edited.

randomperson:
Anyone saying la Liga is a shit league is obviously ignorant.

Most UCLs and Europa leagues, better head-to-head against EPL teams and boasting of the best players in the history of the game.

Ronaldo's goal tally increased in la liga because of two issues:

1. He started playing with better creative players, Ozil, Alonso, Di Maria, Marcelo, benzema etc.

2. He started playing further forward

You want proof? Ronaldo's goal tally also increased substantially in the Champions league. Or is it la liga defenders that are in champions league to?

You can cry all you want but Messi's status as the best of the best is practically cemented.

Why was he not hitting the 40-50 goal marks steady in England as he was doing in Madrid, note, Cr7 role shifted from be a midfielder in 442 formation to a right wing forward RWF in his latter years in the United shirt, so spare me your long sermon about playin auxiliary foward or locomotive inverting forward, the facts still remain out of all the leagues Cr7 played in Laliga was the easiest for him in terms of goal scoring. His game to goal ratio solidify my argument, even after leaving the league in two years he his still the only player with the record highest hatricks, whilst playing there in just 9 years.

As for playing with better players, i should be made to believe that, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Evra, Berbatov, Ferdinard, Roy Keane, a team with the likes of Diego Forlan, Saha, Tevez, on the benchwere inferior, a team that won 3 epl on a roll, and a back to back Champions league finalist before leaving were filled inferior to Real Madrid team?

You have no case! The Spanish Laliga is a league with lower quality in defence, were you can be scoring 40 goals per season for 6 years, without go slow or holdup. It maybe the best league (due to the Barca and Real factors), but it's never the most competitive league in the world. Even Ibramovic confessed to the competitiveness and rigor of the Ep when he had like 10 games goal drought in the league.

@ your last statement, maybe cemented in Camp nou because outside there, even in his hometown he is just a one of Argentine good forward with nice stats which 60% are from friendlies, Barcelona club legend, i reckon but greatest ever, even Messi be angry at you, for such fallacious statement.

Woe to Bartholomew, I'm eager for Messi to come and destroy the Epl

Angelfrost:
I am not quite sure you fully grasp the meaning of the term "Belittling"! Cos, I never did such... I merely stated a simple and obvious fact.

No one compelled Ronaldo to go hopping from league to league, neither is there a basis for ascribing or alluding to such as an achievement...

We judge players based on their performances in top clubs, not in how many leagues they have waltzed into... This comes into consideration solely if the said player downgraded from a top club to a lower one with average players and still keeps soaring, which happens to be the issue under discourse here.

I have never praised Messi by ridiculing or downgrading Ronaldo's achievements... Honestly, I am a fan of neither player, so I can easily afford to be objective and neutral... It is a player's personal choice to jump from club to club or league to league, but that should never give him added points!!! This is as objective as it gets sir.

"Playing for Manchester United (Greatest club in England), Juventus (Clear leader in a farmers' league), and Real Madrid (I need not say more) is really no different from playing solely in an equally high flying club all through one's career!!!"

This statement of yours is a bias opinio, of course i have no problem with your choice of whom you see fit of being better (Cr7 and Messi), it was simply borne out of an attempt to jettison his continuous strife to replicate such form and performance in entirely different climates (league).

Nuff said, do you know the numbers of players whose career's has been recked from moving to one club/league to another_which you claim says otherwise?

Players like Robinho, Kaka, Torres, Shevchenko, Keane, Coutinho, Deco, Falcoa among others, as flopped basically as a result of a change in team/league. But according to you, changing team/league doesn't directly or indirectly have any effect on footballers output and productivity.....Amazing!!!

mystical109:
what if the deliveries are not good. I was expecting u to say that when cr7 don't have good creators, he comes to the midfield, picks the ball, run with it, cross it into the box a and score

Football is a team sport.if your teammates are poor, it is very hard for you no matter who you are to be 100%.u should even give Messi credit, Xavi and Iniesta left, he assumed their roles and his role and he is doing quite well. He is creating and scoring

Scoring and assisting in in his local league is as easy as guguru and chinchin, were the real test comes is the Champions league werw he and his team as being humiliated, flogged and chased out 5 times in a roll.

teejaymoremoney:
What do you expect from his former coach...put Messi for midfield e go play am,put Messi for wings e go play am well,play am as a striker e go disgrace keeper abeg tell me any footballer who can do that..

Have been asking people this particular question...can someone tell me how Ronaldo is better than Messi...in terms of dribbling,chances created,pass, accuracy and skill...

Do you realise Cr7 began playing as Midfielder in a 442 earlier in his career at Manchester united, before playing as right wing then playing as a center forward in his latter years of his career, Note in won his first Ballon d'or as a midfielder.

Angelfrost:
Well, Ronaldo never played for those teams... Matter of fact, he has only played for nothing less than high flying clubs since he left Portugal.

So, Sir. Fergie is merely speculating... And, you can't say Messi can't excel in lower clubs either, cos he has never had the opportunity, privilege or need to step down in his career.

Playing for Manchester United (Greatest club in England), Juventus (Clear leader in a farmers' league), and Real Madrid (I need not say more) is really no different from playing solely in an equally high flying club all through one's career!!!...

A player will earn the status of being better than the rest when he detours from a mammoth club to a lower one, and keeps flying!!! Neither Ronaldo nor Messi has managed to pull that off.

Honestly, this Ronaldo Vs Messi argument has gone past stale... Real football has moved on!!!

You started well till you mention playing in 3 different country and league as the same as playing in one club for your whole career, that statement is as ridiculous as anything ever, you could make a case for Messi replicating his inspiring form in all those league, but belittling Cr7 adapting mentality to adjust to different country, Club, culture, language, playing style and pattern and all his very ridiculous, so many players have change clubs and becoming flops not to say leagues. Cr7 ability to adapt to different league, and clubs shouldn't be belittled in the vein to praise or acknowledge Messi's greatness.

P.s Playing in one club do not however take anything away from Messi stature and achievements, Pele too played in the Brazil for his entire career, and his getting a goat shout.

TiAd:
So are you!

If you need a temple or a shrine, I am sure you will will find enough around.

My own interest is research science (cosmology, dark matter, astrophysics).

The author of the book stated clearly why he is compiling it, and he has said it many times on Nairaland that he's a freethinker, without any group or movement.

In the book, he also shared the history of his grandfather in the Homo Erectus era, who was the first Otem. He also gave a history of Atum (the higher being giving the histories to him) in the homo sapiens era, who he said was also a freethinker.

Those that read the book clearly understand the author's message.

To prevent this kind of thing, the author says he doesn't want popularity, and he has warned people looking for a religion or a cult to avoid the Book of Universal History.

The book is simply a historical and philosophical text.

Which kind human being be this self

TiAd:
Keep fooling yourself with mere wishful thinking. Otem's book with over 1300 pages that I read within 2017-2018, I just printed it last week Friday.

Your saying that I'll abandon Otem is meaningless. It's mere wishful thinking to believe I will abandon science, philosophy, logic, and history for worshiping Ogun or Oya, or any god or God.

If I wanted to choose a religion, I would go with the indigenous ones. However, indulging in a religion stifles a person's growth.

If you actually believe that nonsense you wrote, you might as well believe Airhead will go back to worshiping Sango or Osun (the goddess of your area of specialization, swimming), like the forefathers.

As a person, I read various philosophies and develop my personal philosophy based on various aspects that are reasonable.

What's all these now, go and build temple, shrine anything and teach your followers all these now, atleast your be highly revered and called maybe Shinfooo! You're becoming more of a menace and distraction in this thread.

Which club do you even support

thorrvik55:
Name Left Wingers in the league better than Sterling, let's start from there

Sterling is a little bit above average at best, Son, Mane, Rashford, Pulisic, Richarlison won't be in that City's team without hitting double figures easily, City that play free flowing football under Guardiola, averaging 5-8 goal scoring chances per game, Abeegi.

randomperson:
Your argument is valid although I don't agree completely.

Pele played at a time when football was not that competitive. Players were not as physically fit as they are now, and it's easy to distinguish yourself when you're surrounded by mediocre or average athletes.

Besides, Pele played for very good teams. Brazil was so far ahead of others that they were able to win the world cup with Pele injured all through the tournament.

That's why I think Maradona is superior to Pele because he played in a competitive era.

For me, Messi is not only the best ever but the greatest ever because he has delivered outstanding performances consistently for almost 15 years and counting. He has the highest number of individual honors and his statistics are superior to any player.

No player combines all the facets of attacking- scoring, passing and dribbling like him. He was already getting GOAT shouts as far back as 2011 at 23 years old. By the time he is done with his career he will probably have the highest profile ever in football

Is not only goat shout, what about Ram shout.

Mtcheew, a Perennial failure losing 4 straight finals for his country, annually been disgraced from the Champions league for 5 years in a row, 2-0, 3-0, 3-0, 4-0, 8-2, by Athletico, Juventus, fucking Roma, Liverpool, and Bayern respectively.

If Maradona and Pele were serial loser like this, would they be tagged as goat.

Before bringing the his goals assist, most dribbles, most legover into the argument, note this Laliga is a shit league for a good players to stat pad which Ronaldo did conveniently, with the best goal ratio per minute till date, scoring hatricks for fun.

I'm sure if Ronaldo remain in the Epl with is paltry 24, 27 league goals per season, Messi would be call his daddy, but look at how Ronaldo started recording 50 goals conveniently for 5 straight season in the so called best league in the world.

Messi is a great player, but shoe get size, Maradona and Pele didn't become a serial winner to be compare to some Laliga kingpin ooh, nuff said.