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rekinomtla:
Thanks for explaining why atheists and supposedly non-atheists like yourself believe morality is an invention and that "there's nothing objectively wrong with murder, rape, pedophilia etc."

He is an atheist who's only disguise is a different label to appease a deluded ego. If you study the two page Atheist Training Manual you will see why they are chronic liars.

rekinomtla:
Atheism is adept at brainwashing gullible people.

Just look how atheism has convinced popular atheist author Dan Barker that something can come from nothing and that" through natural selection a car can turn into an airplane."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK2yNkTuJkY

so not only are we apes that came from fish but apparently our cars can evolve into airplanes thanks to natural selection.

ROTFL ( rolling on the floor laughing)
What a MOCKERY !
When atheists mock God and Jesus, they end up mocking themselves for comic relief.
Can you see why atheists revival meetings and leadership conferences always draw tiny groups of followers, while Christian revival meetings overfill the worlds largest Olympic stadiums worldwide ?
Only the criminally minded would enjoy practising the satanic doctrines embedded in the horrific ATHEISTS TRAINING MANUAL. This manual effectively prepares the disciples mind for the practical devastation they will be called on to unleash on an unsuspecting world.
When I closely re-examine atheist Budaatum's preaching here to appeal to all Christians to surrender to the brutal and cowardly onslaught from atheist swine, the hairs raise on my neck as he uses Holy Scripture to deceive his chosen target into submission.
Budaatum's tactics is nothing new, these tactics have been used for thousands of years including the tactics mentioned above by the esteemed Rekinomtla.

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT PUSHOVERS, THEY HAVE SUPREME POWER BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALY CONNECTED to the greatest spirit known to mankind.

What is our world coming to? Has Christians read post No 360, we have an atheist preaching out of the bible .

Here we witness Budaatum standing on the atheist pulpit warning Christians to turn the other cheek and to be kind and loving as these atheist swine rob them of their precious pearls and mock, insult and ridicule their God and Jesus.

Budaatum strongly appeals to Christians to stand with their hands behind their backs while atheist trolls mock God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and by direct implication all Christians should surrender to evil.

What I see in post No 360 is well worn cheap psychology commonly used by atheists to prepare their targets for slaughter. Christians beware, satan can also read the bible, he can appear as light.

Seun:
From the title of this thread, it looks as if Winner01 is conceding that his God doesn't have the ability to use evidence and reason to convince every atheist in the world that he actually exists. Apparently his God isn't clever enough to persuade rational skeptics. If Charles Darwin, a mere man, could convince the vast majority of skeptics that they are apes, why can't winner01's God merely convince them that He exists?

Good point. Charles Darwin was very convincing and so was Richard Dawkins when he convinced a gathering of atheists that they were all once fish.

What is this world coming to.

budaatum:
All this is like claiming the icecream is cold, it is cherry icecream, it is covered in chocolate, wrapped in tinfoil and written about in a book, except that the fridge that the icecream is in doesn't exist!

You need to go on your knees and begged God for a brain dude!

This is a very lame example. Try again but first read your Atheist Training Manual that Butterflyleo posted here for our convenience.

budaatum:
I'm not leading anyone anywhere. As I have faith in the ability of most human beings to chose the right path for themselves. I can't help though warning people against wolves in sheepskin however. And that's rather easy when the sheepskin the wolf wears fits as badly as your's.

Darkness cannot reign when superior light is lit. And people can discern between the two even if darkness shrouds itself in Lord! Lord! For God is most mighty and infinitesimally wise!

It must be full moon tonight.

tintingz:
Exactly @bolded.

You gave two examples to consider. Why has Budaatum given you a grossly incomplete answer ? Or is his answer what you really wanted ?
Below is an extract from your post;

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible.

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

budaatum:
Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

With all due respect for other aspects of your life, you certainly don't qualify to lead anyone out of the Matrix.

The two things you asked Tintingz to pin down can never be the solution he alluded to.
Why do you battle to understand the problems he presented from his perspective. Can't you see the signs that he is ready to break the mould that many historians, scientists, philosophers and high level atheists have fail to achieve.

I was once an atheist, but I am grateful to my parents for commanding me to never mock, insult or destroy the holy revered doctrines of ancient established religions.
I was told to find a solution to my own disbelief while respecting all those that believe in their gods.
Find a mentor they ordered, so I had a mentor in art of meditation and Yoga, then many years later I had mentorship on the various key religions philosophy and Eastern mysticm.
I never evangelize to unbelievers.

tintingz:
Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

Be careful sir, don't apologise, you have only been shown an extremely limited materialistic snipped of the huge problem you shared with me.
Don't be distracted, this is your valuable life. Be brave go ask the highly esteemed Vaxx again. I promise you won't be disappointed.

rekinomtla:
Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

Very true and common here. Sir please read the Atheists Training Manual posted by Butterflyleo on the first page of this thread. You will instantly see conclusive evidence that you are the truthful one.

tintingz:
The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible.

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s.

I believe you have presented you concerns here brilliantly and deserve carefully consideration. I am not fit to replace Vaxx here. But I can safety assume that you are willing and ready to confront the hidden reason for your inability to come to grips with this common tradegy of logical thought processes.
You obviously are not aware of the full implications of the two great examples given by you here, but you will walk away enriched if you listen to Vaxx to what he was saying with an open mind.
I see signs that you may be the one to break out of the Matrix considering your sincere line of questions you asked;

"Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s."

I wish you all the best on your journey. Remember that the right mentor always excellerate progress. Don't go it alone.

rekinomtla:
An atheist here even admitted to me that atheists spread "some" of the lies I listed here. Fact is, atheists online regularly spread all those lies.

Thanks for posting the link, yes I read it well done. I hope you don't mind me sharing it here to get a good grasp of the sad atheists dilemma;



Here's just a couple of lies atheist often use and spread when converting their gullible followers:

- Jesus was based on pagan deities such as Mithra, Horus, etc who also die and resurrected after 3 days, were born of virgins, etc.
- Christianity suppressed science and caused the dark ages.
- Millions of scientists were tortured and excuted by the church because of their science. Galileo supposedly an example of this.
- the catholic church believed and taught that the earth was flat and killed those who said otherwise.
- Spanish inquisition killed millions.
- atheism is not a belief
- No one was ever killed in the name of atheism.
- theists believe God is an invisible man in the sky.
- mythicism is growing in the scholarly world.
- the new testament was written hundreds of years after Jesus.
- and religion has caused more harm than technology seems to be their newest lie.

PrecisionFx:
Christianity is dead in Europe (where it originated).

Christianity is dead in America, One of its strongest strongholds.

Christianity is non-existent in Israel, The supposed people who Jesus was their brother .

I don't need to fight Christianity, Nobody needs to. It's lies have caught up wit it and thus it's dying across boaButterflyleo Ok. I have no problems with your deceptive logic because I have studied your horrible Atheists Training Manual post courtesy of Butterflyleo on the first page of this thread as conclusive evidence of the hidden agenda of your type.

Let's assume for a minute that Atheism is a lie and Christianity is also a lie.
Tell us why your prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins only manages to pull a tiny crowd that is small enough to fit in a class room ?

Have you noticed how Christians worldwide consistently overfill the worlds largest olympic stadiums ?

Here is your last opportunity to display your superior intelligence, tell us why based on this verifiable evidence, Atheism is dying a painful death ?

rekinomtla:
There's nothing that can convinced a dogmatic anti-theist atheist that God exists. This is the kind of atheist who has been thoroughly brainwashed by anti-religous propaganda. He/she considers religion to be the biggest "problem" today and often (always) dishonesty links and blames religion for the actions of theists.

I agree sir. WinnerO1 has added another mental disease to the already long list of atheisms miseries. He calls it Zombie syndrome.

tintingz:
Who criticized his grammar?

I said he didn't break his quote properly, maybe you don't understand, he didn't arrange his response properly, responding to his post is a stress.

What he just have to do is insert

Thanks for clarifying your meaning. My apologies to you. My point still stands though, do the right thing to Vaxx because he is sincere, unbiased and brilliant. From my perspective he labours to uplift.

Learn to ignore the petty when dealing with lofty matters of hidden truth.

PrecisionFx:
Christianity is fake

Your satanic atheism has LOST its two thousand year battle to eradicated Christianity. Have you noticed that your secret Atheists Training Manual is now distributed to schools and churches by the thousands for comic relief ?

CHRISTIANITY WINS EVERY BATTLE NO MATTER THE ODDS STACKED AGAINST IT.

Are you on Psychotropic drugs when you post this dried horse manure ?

tintingz:
@vaxx,

First of all learn to break a quote properly, I can teach you how if you want.

Secondly, I can see alot of excuses in your response, again I will ask how does historian were able to tell some people/human figure doesn't exist in history? How are they able to prove the negative with demonstration and consensually agree with it?

My God ! What a cowardly low blow. What a cheap shot !
You dare to crit Vaxx's grammer while ignoring his incredible factual contributions. You claim to see a lot of excuses. If you had any respect for his valuable time you would list those imaginary excuses for him.

dalaman:
You have NOT provided any evidence according to what you've said but somehow you know that no evidence provided will convince aNY atheist? The many many lies you tell yourselves so that you can sleep well at night.

EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE shouts dalaman to Winner01 wherever he goes even though he is completely unsuited for the lofty task of examining spiritual/transcendental truths. His horrific bible on material atheism, fondly known as the Atheists Training Manual certainly makes a mockery of any attempt he may feign.

There certainly are tons of verifible evidence that truly did prove God's existence, but would the materialistic atheist be able to accept it, given that his slyly constructed presuppositions are in opposition to the existence of God?

In other words, given that the atheist has a pre arranged sly presuppositional base that there is no God, then in order for him to accept a proof for God's existence, he would have to change his falsely constructed presuppositional base. This he won't do because his beloved ego and delusional status is at risk and would involve a major paradigm shift in the belief structure of the atheist. Therefore, an atheist is presuppositionally hostile to any proofs for God's existence and prefers to be imprisoned in the Matrix. He deludes himself to be objective about such attempted proofs.

As the WinnerO1 patiently asks, "Will anything serve as evidence of a God to atheists."
It please me to note that Theists may engage on the low logical level, but wisely refrain from opening the gates wider thereby controlling access to a holy domain that is obviously off limits to mocking atheists.

A warning is written in the Christian Holy doctrines about atheists swine, so don't be dissapointed when Christians no longer discuss their extremely precious experiences with atheist swine. Atheists will be forced to adapt and turn to man made material objects to mock and insult. I highly recommend that atheists turn their mockery toward cheap Chinese goods and pornography.

dalaman:
He's in for a long display of madness.

Correct.

vaxx:
So much off the point write upooh i miss this .i was unable to read your have baked logic.
goal post shifting .but let me educate you a little. gravity created by the Earths spin is a scientific demonstration to validate the shape of the earth . Gravity would not be evenly distributed if the world wasn't circular.

How did historian was able to tell us Moses never existed in ancient Egypt?

Or Santa not in North Pole?too much of goal post shifting men. how do we arrive here. i educate u earlier.but will not be doing it again .

You think something is just term myth with just spoken words?Here will go .making unnecessary assumption when u are desperate to pass a chap point.

Yes, since Yahweh and Allah claim they are all-knowing and omini-benevolent how come they didn't know Satan will rebel and this will cause doom to humanity?A lot of goal post shifting here.what is this. have you forgotten the topic of discussion ?

If they claim they answer prayers, how come thier worshipers suffers like every other people?

How come Christianity is so divided despite the holy book claim holy spirit will guide them right?

God is so powerful that we still argue if he exist or not.pile of hot trash. just too much out of point,that i do not even know where to begin with.

Just demonstrate it with paradox.

Can't prove a negative is now term pseudo-logic.

A negative claim is a colloquialism for an affirmative claim that asserts the non-existence or exclusion of something. Claiming that it is impossible to prove a negative is a pseudologic, because there are many proofs that substantiate negative claims in mathematics, science, and economics, including Arrow's impossibility theorem. There can be multiple claims within a debate. Nevertheless, whoever makes a claim carries the burden of proof regardless of positive or negative content in the claim.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence
reading wikipedia all alone is a bad habit of learning . go thru the wikipedia references to get a wider and deeper coverage of the topic. : we are talking of universal negative here. in philosophy they are classify into two. one name posteriori and the other name priori .let me example A posteriori for you.: it is the universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something.it is something that can be determined through experience.

For example, "GODS don't exist."

In order to prove this negative we would have to consider an infinite amount of evidence, all the swans that existed, all the swans that exist, and all the swans that will exist. Because we cannot consider this infinite set of evidence, proving the universal negative is impossible. The universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something is something that can be determined through experience.



By simply try to observe, research, investigate, critical thinking etc. With this you can demonstrate how you came to your conclusion.
This can only be done when the premises is positive .

Lol, oga wetin I talk wetin you talk?

How can we prove the positive and negative if there is milk in the cup?
Educate yourself on non observational evidence .GOD evidence is non observation.

Theist, deist, panthiest etc all believe there's God/s but the problem here is these gods contradict in attributes and thier stories(verifiable factor) which beg the question if this God/s exist or just some imaginary man-made creation.
here comes the invariable question .You see, it is actually quite foolish. First it is asserted, that most of us believso apart from atheist.Then the fact that everyone believe so, is used to negate what is being said.is that abuse of logic, If we all says the same thing, the logical thing to assume is that there must be something to it. Not that everyone says the same thing, so therefore it must be false. How does that make sense? Where is the logic? In fact, you would expect all of us to say basically the same things, because all religions are different cultural expressions of the same Absolute Truth. Surely, the details may vary, but if all religions are differently conditioned expressions of the same truth, you'd expect they would mention the same basic principles.



Yes, since observations tells us people behave in contrary to what holy spider claim in the holy book, then this prove holy spider doesn't exist.
Gibberish . how do you measure and observe holy book/holy spider. demonstrate it?

Another example is morality, Yahweh claim he's the source of morality which makes it objective but in reality if we observe humanity and society morality is subjective.

If you tell me morality is objective, I can prove to you morality is subjective with demonstrations.

Gather all hypothesis, idea of Gods on one table, we do research about these Gods and thier origin then come out with a consensus agreement.

There's something called consensus decision-making.

If only theists have balls to do this.

But the fact that each religion has it own idea of God shows that thier God doesn't exist.


Religions are yet to give us evidence of each of their Gods or God in general.

Some claim God has children, some claim God is childless, some claim God has many hands, some claim God ran away, some claim God died and so many other "mumbo jumbo".you actually making a whole lot off point discussion . All your write up is full of goal post shifting.I my self cannot conceive of no stronger evidence for a God/Creator than everything anyone has ever seen, touched, smelled, tasted, heard, or otherwise experienced. so which balls is more harder than this.

Wow Vaxx ! Absolutely brilliant sir, I can only wish that I can explain these things as effectively like you always do.
Salute !!!

madegreatbygrace:
Have you not read, that even God the Father called Jesus God ?


But to the Son He says :

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever ;

A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom. - Hebrews 1: 8

Many thanks. What more can I say when everyday I see evidence flowing like a mighty river out of many churches worldwide, confirming the Holy Gospels to be accurate and verifiably correct.

What an awesome God we serve. Wherever the full gospel (The Word and Spirit) is preached, no tedious mental gymnastics is needed. The mighty Holy Spirit doing the works of miracles signs and wonders forces us to glorify God and Jesus.

The most effective evidence for the varacity of the Gospels are the demonic deliverances, mind-blowing instant healing and science defying blessings.

I never argue for Jesus, I simply point interest people to churches were the awesome Holy Spirit is working. Jesus himself said that he is doing those miraculous things so that we will be amazed and then glorify God.

Smartini:
Of all of God's creations, human beings were the last. He created the universe, the earth, plants and animals before he created humans.

Because Genesis 1:1 said " In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" does NOT imply that they were created AT the same period of time. The heavens and the spirit creatures in it must surely have existed a long time before the creation of the earth was conceived.

In conclusion, when God said "let us make man in our image", he must have been speaking to his assembly of spirit creatures he made. And we know the first of God's creations was Jesus. That was why he was called the " beginning of His way, the earliest of God's achievements " (Proverbs 8:22), "the firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15)

God is a God of teamwork. He assigns duties to his creations, heavenly or earthly.

aaaah, thank you sir. Your posted is so refreshing to my spirit. May the almighty Jesus Christ draw your deeper and deeper into his incredible spiritual kingdom.

budaatum:
If I have contempt for anything at all, it is for you, Sciencewatch, and not for the gods you create in your head, except for the fact that you are responsible for creating them in your own image, which is what the contempt is for. It is also you that merits scorn and disdain.

If there was any truth in what you say, I would encourage you to pour out you wretched contempt on me. But no your real target is the true creator God as is evidenced in the horrific Atheists Training manual that Butterflyleo timeously presented here as evidence on this very incredible topic posted by the highly esteemed WinnerO1.

People behave according to what they believe, not what they don't believe. When an atheist says God doesn't exist, or denies him, or works hard to disprove His existence, he is behaving in a manner that is consistent with what he believes. No matter what you say, no matter how much cheap psychology you use, YOU budaatum is a BELIEVER.
After examining all the insanity you regurgitate as logical thought, you still cannot demonstrate that God does not exist, you often say there is no evidence for God's existence or that the evidence presented is not sufficient.

Vaxx's and Butterflyleo, just to name a few, have conclusively established the fact that, evidence is a subjective concept since what may be evidence for you may not be evidence for me. Out off the kindness of their blessed hearts they laboured to help you by carefully explaining that evidence has validity based on a person's assumptions. Therefore, it is the assumptions that need to be examined, but to no avail rather it went in by one ear and out by the other.

Nevertheless, people behave according to what they believe, not what they don't believe. Second, whenever an atheist accuses God of immorality he is passing a condemning judgment upon God and displaying his moral contempt for Him. Therefore, in his contempt, he is revealing his hatred for the God he does not believe in.

Superpower:
It is really unfair to post her pics online without permission

I agree. It is criminal.

davien:
It's appalling to say the least the avoidance antics you'd employ when you say you vouch for something you believe in but can't defend..

As the stupid British would say, "The pot calling the best kettle black."
Sir, are you too stupid to not see that you are speaking about your very own avoidance tactics here?
You believe in crazy zombie atheism, daily you vouch for something you believe in, but can't defend. You have as yet provided no evidence that your NO-GOD even exist.
Your behaviour is beyond appalling sir.

Davien, kind sir. All I see, are evidence of an horrific Atheists Training Manual with criminally minded guys trolling religious internet forums to practise the Satanic lessons learnt from their horrific Atheists Training Manual.

winner01:
Very accurate. Revealing that zombie syndrome in them.

You are spot on WinnerO1. ZOMBIE SYNDROME Mmmm, Your instant diagnosis and discovery of another mental illness among demented atheists is greatly appreciated.

Psychiatry must be celebrating right now because they can finally add another mental disease to their very long list. ZOMBIE SYNDROME Mmmm, who would have thought of that. My God, thank you. The truth shall set us free. FREE AT LAST !


POST OF THE MONTH
WinnerO1, because of the profound revelation embedded in your post, allow me to present to you on behalf all genuine truth seekers this converted award for;

POST OF THE MONTH

budaatum:
Of course we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls". How else would we dare not allow those people you quoted to tell us how and what we think?! The thought that we have minds of our own and can use them is something you can't get your head around. After all, we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls"!

Thank you Budaatum. This is straight from the horses mouth as the British would say.
At face value your confession reveals much about the sad atheists dilemma. People behave according to what they believe, not what they don't believe.

When an atheist says God doesn't exist, or denies him, or works hard to disprove His existence, he is behaving in a manner that is consistent with what he believes. Likewise, when an atheist speaks against God by accusing Him of immorality, then he is displaying his disdain for God. Christians often encounter such displays of contempt for God when atheists cite God-ordered Old Testament events that atheists believe are morally wrong. When they do this, they are demonstrating their scorn for God by accusing him of doing what is wrong, and therefore being wrong. Disdain, contempt, and scorn are all synonymous with hate.

Is there any truth in your confession that atheists are in fact lying internet trolls ?
If I remember correctly, many true Christians has also alluded to such bastardly behaviour. Read again the posts of highly esteemed and extremely enlightened gentlemen and brave women here. To name a few for the readers convenience, I am honoured to even mention their names

Here they they are in no particular order;
Rekinomtla, Ishilove, Sonofthunder, Anas09, Butterflyleo, Hopeful landlord, WinnerO1, Sonofthunder, Donnie, and others,

budaatum:
You must be new around here. The ol' timers avoid that idiot. His insanity is of a different order.

Has it not been firmly establish that the INSANITY of atheists is observed every time they attack, mock and insult a God that never existed. What type of people consistently behave in such an appalling manner. This behaviour is common in the mental asylums of the world.

I don't care for the dishonest opinions of the ol atheism's ol'' timers.

hopefulLandlord:
Davien doesn't know who he's debating

Thank you for helping me a while back with a software prob I had.
I see you did not write the topic on "How to effectively use the Nairaland app - for dummies.

You may be right about Davien, why don't you do the honors and introduce him ?

dalaman:
He's in for a long display of madness.

I agree !

What can rightfully deflect Daviens craving to mock and insult Theists. How can we satisfy Daviens ego driven need to criticize things that are beyond his mental abilities?

WinnerO1 or Butterflyleo or even Rekinomtla are well placed to impose a useful therapy while I can only humbly suggest that Davien examine and critique the carefully chosen pic of a knockoff Chinese product which has no transcendental spiritual components connected to its creation.

It would certainly be hugely educational for all concerned to note how skillfully Davien or even Dalaman critiques the products design, labeling, purpose and the customers need for this product etc.Remember to tell us which one is the fake product. A prize of 10 Likes and 3 Shares is guaranteed.

Please take your time sir.