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darkchild64:
Oga u are right, I am wrong
Any other thing,abeg free me

No no no. You were right sir. I simply gave my observation from a different angle. You know by now that I am not in the business of converting anyone. I have never tried it, I never will try it because it is against what Jesus warns against.
Which means if you are in prison, I can't free you. But I will ask the warden to pass on a barrel of Kentucky into your cell, no problem.

darkchild64:
How many times do u have to quote the same post,I have heard nah

I have not seen your reply yet. Sorry dude.

tintingz:
Vaxx is intelligent, Vaxx is brave, Vaxx is mighty... Keep on the sissy cheer leading

I wonder how you don't sense your insanity.

So say a low grade student mocking his superior teacher. Vaxx will never employ the mindset you advertise here.
Just in passing, try to add atheist to your job application. Christians and Muslims have a 98% chance if they do it.
I have sat in recruitment meetings where a growing awareness and fear of atheism was discussed.

darkchild64:
Common dude it doesn't make sense for a Christian to be calling a person an "As.shole" on a Sunday,and later be preaching about going to hell
I pity you sometimes, I can't imagine what your fellow chrsitains think of u

Try to pity me more than that because I pity you more than you pity me.

Darkchild, I am still waiting for your answer to my question.. What will you call a spade on a public holiday?
Your answer will reveal why no evidence of God is good enough for you.

darkchild64:
Common dude it doesn't make sense for a Christian to be calling a person an "As.shole" on a Sunday,and later be preaching about going to hell
I pity you sometimes, I can't imagine what your fellow chrsitains think of u

So you say he is not an as.hole because its Sunday? What would you call a spade on a public holiday?

darkchild64:
That is not my business,whether the whole world believes in god I don't care,you know its very funny u are trying to use that against me,you very well know that Christianity makes up less that half of the world population that means that majority of people on earth do not recognize Yahweh as the true god so trying to comfort yourself by playing my enemy's enemy is my friend would not work in this case because even christians do not agree amongst themselves on very sensitive issues including Jesus divinity.
I can only speak for myself,the evidence that would make me believe in god is if I have a clear revelation of who he is(assuming he exists) and he makes it clear what he wants from me,if that happens and I refuse to acknowledge and worship him then that is when I can properly be called a fool,look there are a lot of challenges we as atheists pass through in life,you think we don't want to close our eyes and say a few words and everything becones fine,look I don't know the prejudice you have against atheists but for me I have no problems with christians or religious people at all all I demand is you give me the same respect I accord to you,I am a full grown human I know what I want in life,you don't love me more than I love myself,I was a raises as a christian and at a point in my life was a vibrant one whether u wish to believe it or not is not my business,I stopped believing in god because what I saw in the Bible didn't correspond to what I experienced maybe its different for you fine,be a Christian I'm not trying to convert you its life live it the way you want,but for me I can only believe in god if I get a clear revelation about him,no I would like u to show me how illogical my reason or demand is

Let me be brief here. You consciously prefer to let your bias dictate your seriously flawed conclusions. That is why you exchanged superior truth for a knockdown version devoid of power.

You are not street smart sir, how come you can't recognize an atheist disguised as a Christian ? They even have defrauded their way to positions as pastors. Thousands of them discrediting the divinity of Jesus, the miracles of Jesus etc.

It is shameful to witness atheists pretend that they want to know the truth about the Greatest man to have ever walked this forsaken planet

tintingz:
You're a clown!

How dare you insult Vaxx's intelligence when you are not even fit to serve him. He would never employ someone with your mind set.

tintingz:
You're really funny to begin with, you sound like those sissy cheer leaders.

If you should ever meet me face to face, you will without duress sing a different song. As.shole

tintingz:
LMAO!

No prob. Go enjoy your Uno while your faceless friends are moving on to greater heights.

The title of WinnerO1's topic really apply to you. It is a perfect match.
Enjoy your day.

tintingz:
You're a clown!

Good, you could have simply scratched your name off the list of intelligent atheists that is moving on.

You have revealed your deepest fears by your own mocking response Tintingz. The highly esteemed Vaxx laboured to guide you, Butterflyle0 pointed you to the light, WinnerO1 picked you up and lifted you out of harms way, but the demonic forces controlling you is stronger than your intellect and willpower.

My advice- Stay where you are.

PrecisionFx:
The word Christian is a word created by the Roman empire who created the religion Christianity.

Christians today (which are mostly gullible people) try to sell the rhetoric that the word Christianity came into being after the death of Jesus Christ wen Israelites addressed to followers of Jesus as people living a "christ-like" life. But that is heavy falsehood, The Israelites never accepted Jesus as a saviour from the day he was born till the day he died n till he ascended to heaven.....He was no God to them an he was no Christ to them so there's no way the same israelites that never accepted Jesus as Christ or God to start addressing Jesus's followers as Christ like.

Will you feel foolish after you do an honest examination of how thousands of Jews and their Rabbi's testify in public about how they were deceived for so long by
the Pharisees ?
Now they finally believe that the pillar they rejected was indeed the most important. Jesus is their Messiah.
What is happening among Israel's top clergy will shock your biased mind. Serious work is underway to bring their beliefs inline with superior truths.

Let me add another shocker for you as a bonus. There are also growing numbers of Muslims and Imams that are not afraid to die for the superior truth and evidence they found after examining only one Holy Gospel. Now they praise and sing wonderful worship songs with joy overflowing.

winner01:
The weak should not be encouraged? Or your bigoted minds don't realize the vast majority of people live on hope and encouragements?

I respect that you wisely don't want to exhaust yourself explaining the deep meanings of the Messiah's teachings here because you correctly never set out to convince or prove.
Allow me to add that the scriptures Hopeful landlord failed to understand, is much much more than encouragement and hope. Yes it is such on only a low materialistic logical level which few atheist can understand.That is why those scriptures are mocked.

Millions of people are now experiencing conclusive, verifiable evidence that those two scriptures produce logic defying practical results to confirm the absolute truth of everything Jesus said.
LET THE POOR SAY I AM RICH.
LET THE WEAK SAY I AM STRONG.

Christian, say it without shame now. Every word that Jesus says must happen if you say it from your heart.

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winner01:
1. The best way a Christian can preach to you is through his lifestyle not by arguments or forceful convictions.
2. Christians are to put on a humble attitude anytime they engage in these discussions
3. It's natural for Christians to feel insulted when atheists mock them. Atheists do not necessarily mock Christians only when they are being preached to. This is a religion section for instance, one will wonder why there are many atheists here.
4. When some Christians choose to give you the dose of your medicine, I noticed that atheists get overtly aggressive.
5. It's better both sides remain humble and hear themselves out. Only then can truth prevail.

Yes, Yes! What a way to start my afternoon on Nairaland after I just spent 4hrs examining the live testimonies of a global audience on the mind-blowing instantaneous and dynamic changes Jesus effectively done in their lives.

After 4hrs of continual testimonies of the miraculous transcendental/spiritual reality loaded with material evidence, witnesses and scientific medical reports to confirm the before and after. Now they all explode with joy as thousands gather in praise and worship. The atmosphere is so electric that I experienced it through my TV screen.

Their logic defying testimonies were from people of different race, culture, status, religions, etc. Kings, presidents, infuencial business men and women, down to beggars grace the Arena Of Liberty as one. Vaxx was teaching Tintingz about more advanced logic needed to correctly examine None observational evidence

Only Jesus can do this, no other deity know to mankind can. There certainly are other deities but when one respectfully compares what they have to offer humanity, it will be like comparing an entry level Uno with a Mercedes Benz. Both can take you somewhere. What more can I say.

WinnerO1 have a great Sunday. May the Holy Spirit continually empower and protect you and your family.

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kimco:
Ma guy im literarily talking about the labelling. A "god" noun (satan) used to describe a no-god noun (atheism) does not make sense...in literarily terms...leave your skewed spiritual biased opinion at de door, im not the least bit interested in watever manifestation u believe they are into. I have come to learn the hard way that even questioning your pastor or the church's motives you get labelled a satanist. So forgive me if im not interested in your sentimental perception.

No problem, you are forgiven.

vaxx:
So much off the point write up ooh i miss this .i was unable to read your have baked logic. Goal post shifting. But let me educate you a little. Gravity created by the Earths spin is a scientific demonstration to validate the shape of the earth . Gravity would not be evenly distributed if the world wasn't circular.

Too much of goal post shifting here, how do we arrive here. I educated u earlie but will not be doing it again .

You will making unnecessary assumptions when u are desperate to pass a cheap point.

A lot of goal post shifting here. What is this. have you forgotten the topic of discussion ?

Pile of hot trash it is just too much off point, that i do not even know where to begin

Reading wikipedia all alone is a bad habit of learning . Go thru the wikipedia references to get a wider and deeper coverage of the topic., we are talking of a universal negative here. In philosophy they are classified into two. One named posteriori and the other named priori. Let me give an example of posteriori for you.: it is the universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something. It is something that can be determined through experience.

For example, "GODS don't exist."

In order to prove this negative we would have to consider an infinite amount of evidence, all the swans that existed, all the swans that exist, and all the swans that will exist.
Because we cannot consider this infinite set of evidence, proving the universal negative is impossible. The universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something is something that can be determined through experience.

This can only be done when the premises is positive .

Educate yourself on non observational evidence. GOD evidence is non observation.

Here comes the invariable question .You see, it is actually quite foolish. First it is asserted, that most of us believe so apart from atheist.Then the fact that everyone believe so, is used to negate what is being said, is that not abuse of logic?

If we all says the same thing, the logical thing to assume is that there must be something to it. Not that everyone says the same thing, so therefore it must be false. How does that make sense? Where is the logic? In fact, you would expect all of us to say basically the same things, because all religions are different cultural expressions of the same Absolute Truth. Surely, the details may vary, but if all religions are differently conditioned expressions of the same truth, you'd expect they would mention the same basic principles.



Gibberish . how do you measure and observe holy book/holy spider. demonstrate it?

You actually making a whole lot off point discussion . All your write up is full of goal post shifting. I my self cannot conceive of no stronger evidence for a God/Creator than everything anyone has ever seen, touched, smelled, tasted, heard, or otherwise experienced. so which balls is more harder than this.

Mmmmmm incredible, educational and deep as usual sir. Thank you for taking from your precious time to share. Tintingz should accept your kind advice when you said, "
Educate yourself on non observational evidence .GOD evidence is non observation."

I may be wrong, but it seems that Tintingz seems unaware that he was going off point while at the same time failing to refocus his mind on how the laws of logic is applied when examining non-observable evidence. Would you agree that there are four atheists here, Tintingz, Johnydon, Hopefullandlord that are on the brink of breaking out of the vicious materialistic Matrix if they can sincerely take your kindly advice to "Educate yourself on non observational evidence ."

Have a blessed Sunday.

winner01:
I didn't want to intrude because I can see that my brother @ScienceWatch is having a good time.

But really that seems to be the truth. Lets take a look at Voltaire, a french infidel, who died in 1778
- he said that within 100 years of his time, Christianity would be swept away from existence and pass into the obscurity of history.
-Yet 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society used his house and printing press to produce stacks of Bibles.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477203_img20180727183850_jpeg94f5ffa2346816c54b29150573181a01

The corpse just never stays put.


But it isn't

Christianity did not originate in Europe and majority of Europe still seems to be christian.

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PEW researchers seem to think otherwise and 71% Christians sound more like majority than dead.

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I don't think Christianity has ever been majority in Israel? Judaism is, and only a small percentage seem to be Christians.



Maybe its not a lie after all. World powers like Russia, Germany, France, Italy, U.S etc still seem to be overwhelmingly christian communities. China has had to consciously put a leash on the growth of Christians by banning online sales of Bible, embargo on Bible importation. Etc.
https://www.nairaland.com/3172960/china-course-worlds-most-christian
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Our own Nigeria is just 45% Christian with majority being terribly superstitious. That being said, I think you should be grateful to Christianity for the freedom you have.

Christianity is why many of us know about democracy, freedom of speech and religion. Christianity the reason why atheists are outspoken in places like U.S and U.k. Christianity is why you have a voice.

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Christianity is even why Nigerians can criticize Buhari's government. Imagine Nigeria was an Islamic country, your voices would have been taken forcefully. The same with almost all of the atheist countries that have ever existed.


For instance, the first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha (1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001).

Article 2, A, constitution of Iraq stipulates: No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Article 3, constitution of Afghanistan: In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Its easy to say Islam is intolerant, but this is the same as atheism.
I can understand why many of you don't like christianity, but at least you must be thankful for Christianity....

Wow WinnerO1, your ability to convict compulsive liars is very impressive
I thank God that I am on your side.
Have you seen that post where an arrogant atheist bowed and apologized to a brilliant Christian known here as Rekinomtla ?

Gggg102:
Do you think morality should be objective or subjective?

Sir, would it be appropriate here to consider the moral stand point of an atheist serial killer from USA.
it may be instructive to hear what Ted Bundy intelligently explains how subjective morality changed his life below;

Ted Bundy an atheist was interviewed in prison?

He said, "Then I learned that all moral judgments are ‘value judgments,’ that all value judgments are subjective, and that none can be proved to be either ‘right’ or ‘wrong.’ I even read somewhere that the Chief Justice of the United States had written that the American Constitution expressed nothing more than collective value judgments.

Believe it or not, I figured out for myself–what apparently the Chief Justice couldn’t figure out for himself–that if the rationality of one value judgment was zero, multiplying it by millions would not make it one whit more rational. Nor is there any ‘reason’ to obey the law for anyone, like myself, who has the boldness and daring–the strength of character–to throw off its shackles…

I discovered that to become truly free, truly unfettered, I had to become truly uninhibited. And I quickly discovered that the greatest obstacle to my freedom, the greatest block and limitation to it, consists in the insupportable ‘value judgment’ that I was bound to respect the rights of others. I asked myself, who were these ‘others?’ Other human beings, with human rights? Why is it more wrong to kill a human animal than any other animal, a pig or a sheep or a steer? Is your life more than a hog’s life to a hog? Why should I be willing to sacrifice my pleasure more for the one than for the other? Surely, you would not, in this age of scientific enlightenment, declare that God or nature has marked some pleasures as ‘moral’ or ‘good’ and others as ‘immoral’ or ‘bad’?

He says to the female interviewer, "In any case, let me assure you, my dear young lady, that there is absolutely no comparison between the pleasure that I might take in eating ham and the pleasure I anticipate in raping and murdering you. That is the honest conclusion to which my education has led me–after the most conscientious examination of my spontaneous and uninhibited life." --Ted Bundy, cited in Louis P. Pojman, Ethics: Discovering Right and Wrong, 3rd edition (Belmont, CA: Wadsworth/Thomson, 1999), 31-32.

The question to atheists is simply:

On what moral grounds can you provide a response to Bundy?



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budaatum:
Your "conclusion" is wrong. My attack on your person is fueled by my dislike of your utter and complete stupid ignorance and your abhorrent ungodly immorality.

Excellent. Then I will accept your unbiased conclusion, no problem for me.
Thanks for adding loads of adjectives to make your point, I would have missed it completely.
I still think that you left out a few insults that for the sake of clarity. Feel free.

festwiz:
To be honest, this thread achieves nothing.

#peace

Peace √

budaatum:


You said you were once an atheist! It would seem to me that you were the worst sort of atheist, and even though you now claim to be a Christian, nothing much seems to have changed and you've only changed labels. I swear to God, if you were still an atheist, buda would just go and accept Jesus Christ as her Lord and Saviour because I don't think buda could allow herself to share an ideology, or religion with your sort! You are just that deplorable!
I know you are very likely to fob this off with "buda, an atheist, talking God", so let me tell you a story.

One day the disciples said, "Master! Master! That person over there is not one of us but he is preaching and healing in your name!"

I would be most grateful if you tell me the conclusion of my story so that it can be known whether any of this has gone into your thick skull.

Your Lord the God Almighty will bless you accordingly, even I can assure you of that.

Christ lives !!!
I really appreciate your mockery and insults Budaatum because your Atheist Training Manual teaches you thus. I at least feel that it is good that you are vomiting over me and therefore having a brief respite from mocking and insulting the Christian God and Jesus the beloved Messiah.

My conclusion:
I saw you fake an apology to a true Christian for calling him silly. Are you try to make history. Other atheists would not take kindly to that.
It seems your attacks on my person are fueled by my open support and admiration for the incredible work done by WinnerO1 to help atheists and theists alike.

budaatum:
My apologies for going off topic. And to you too rekinomtla for using the word "silly" in response to you. It was immoral of me and I'm sorry.

What is our world coming to ? Budaatum a mocking atheist apologising to Rekinomtla a true Christian for immorally calling him "silly." Does he really think true Christians fall for cheap psycho?

budaatum:
There's no need to borrow a dustbin. You're rubbish after all, there's no point keeping you.

Just throw yourself in the bin and the usual way rubbish is discarded would get rid of you.

While we figure out evidence, would you be prepared to agree that where there is NO-GOD, there is no charity ?

Apart from the fact that Christianity runs the largest charity in Africa, another study was conducted to show the correlation between religious people and charity
http://www.pewforum.org/Religion-News/Religious-people-make-better-citizens-study-says.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/16/local/me-beliefs16

This led an atheist, Hattersley, to criticize his fellow atheists for their lack of effort in relief effort: “You don’t hear of “Atheist Aid” rather like Christian aid, and, I think, despite my inability to believe myself, I’m deeply impressed by what belief does for people like the Salvation Army… I often say I never hear of atheist organizations taking food to the poor”..


This is a brief extract of WinnerO1's other incredible topic - The Hateful Language Of Atheism And Its Possible Effects On Society.

Is this self absorbed atheism another way to protect their selfishness ? Atheists believe that the poor oppressed and needy must fend for them selves.

Seun:
You can use https://www.nairaland.com/4603041/atheists-theists-morality-subjective-objective for the discussion on morality.

will it be immoral for Christians to get unlimited data for less than N4000.

budaatum:
There's no need to borrow a dustbin. You're rubbish after all, there's no point keeping you.

Just throw yourself in the bin and the usual way rubbish is discarded would get rid of you.

Thank you for your reply. I must admit you came up with a creative and cost effective solution. My way of getting rid of myself would be way more expensive. I was thinking of Cryogenics.

Can this topic achieve its lofty purpose ? I hope it can . The servere limitations imposed atheists should temporarily be scraped.
They are often condescending as they mock Christianity. They insult God, call him a tyrant, refer to Christianity as mythology, baseless, a fairytale, compare God to invisible pink unicorns and Santa Clause, etc. Unfortunately, this is all too typical of atheists and if they want to be taken seriously at all, they need to stop being so rude and crude because they do nothing to further discussion.
Attacking the Christian God and accusing him of immorality is immensely problematic for atheists who have no objective standard of morality yet are quick to judge. We see their inconsistency even if they don't.

Let's find a different perspective on this incredible topic.

Let's appeal to those that mock God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Come tell of your feelings and physical experiences. Come do this in the spirit of the topic.

Lagos Nigeria(IN 2017)
A group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "My Daughter, Go with God and May He Protect You.

" She responded: "Only If He (God) Travels In The boot/ Trunk of this car, because Inside Here....It's Already Full "
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact. The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken.

budaatum:
True, by it's fruit is it known.

Is that not you and your fruit, rotten as it is, in the dustbin?

Let's settle this once and for all. You should borrow Butterflyle0's radioactive dustbin for a long term solution.
What are your thoughts on this ?

Can these tradegies all satisfy atheists strong beliefs in the god of coincidence?

The man who built the Titanic:
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it" The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

Marilyn Monroe (Actress):
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: "I don't need your Jesus". A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

Bon Scott (Singer):
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang: "Don't stop me, I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell". On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

rekinomtla:
Seems atheists here can't, they trying to debate me on whether morality is subjective or objective because I brought up the fact that they believe it subjective and an invention of humanity. Which they openly said they agreed with.

Is it possible for us to approach this topic from a different perspective ? We all know that no evidence will lead to consensus so we should not labour to convince but for the sake of polite conversation we may contribute facts that point beyond mere logic or coincidence we have Theists and Atheists to entertain.

Example 1

Deaths of Famous People Who Mocked God, Here are some men and women who mocked God:
John Lennon (Singer):
Some years before, during an interview with an American Magazine, he said: “Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple. Today we are more famous than Him" (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

Cazuza (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet):
During A show in Canecio (Rio de Janeiro), while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: "God, that's for you." He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible manner.

budaatum:
Shame on you, where do you get the idea that satan can appear as light?

I, buda, categorically mock you, sc!

I welcome your mockery after I studied the Atheists Training Manual, it help me understand why mockery is so very important to an Atheist.
I am but an insignificant grain of sand in the greater scheme of this magnificent creation made possible by the creative power of God through his Son Jesus Christ with verifiable evidence of the work done daily worldwide by the amazing Holy Spirit to effectively support Christians faith that Jesus' words are based on verifiable evidence.

There are also sufficient evidence of the reality of Satan's fake light.

budaatum:
Because you don't understand the words you yourself utter! All morality is determined by subjective human beings. This is the reason why even in the bible what is ok at some point in time is no more permissible now, and some things that aren't permissible now were permissible in the past. We may then objectify that morality, that is, make it absolute, but it does start off with subjective human beings!

Garry Goldberg says it better than I can so I'll just copy and paste perhaps that might help you understand. He is an atheist, mind.

Some of Gary Goldberg's arguments remind me of the tactics used by the Gay and Lesbian Movement to legitimize their immoral demands and their rights to marry in a Christian church. They used the same arguments to gain position as pastors to confuse and befuddle the sensibilities of entire congregations.

Only a madman can claim that the 10 Commandments are subjective morality and therefore subject to change at the whims of mere man.

I do think that your brief explanation made more sense than the mental gymnastics and copious ramblings of Gary Goldberg.

rekinomtla:
Atheism is adept at brainwashing gullible people.

Just look how atheism has convinced popular atheist author Dan Barker that something can come from nothing and that" through natural selection a car can turn into an airplane."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK2yNkTuJkY

so not only are we apes that came from fish but apparently our cars can evolve into airplanes thanks to natural selection.

Have you heard about the Barber that said he can't believe there is a God?

The Barber :

There was a man who went to a barber shop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: “I don’t believe that God exists.” “Why do you say that?” asked the customer. “Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barber shop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: “You know what? Barbers do not exist.”
"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”
“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.” “
The Barber said, "Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me.”
“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer. “That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.