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I have to agree that the Op was prepared with astonishing wisdom and is devoid of bias. Allow me to echo below a brief extract from the incredible Op and to congratulate its author WinnerO1,

I've heard an ex atheist say his proof for Gods existence is simply Love. He explains that no matter how hard we try, logic can't explain love.

I have come to understand something about people who need logic to explain every aspect of reality, and can't understand something. Its induces the most profound of fears and so they reject it as false.

"If I can't understand it with logic, measure it or quantify it, it's false".

It has always been a ridiculous apriori position void of any epistemic humility, laced with the arrogant assumption that you are capable of understanding everything that exists, has existed and will exist.

darkchild64:
Well if that is what u think then probably the only option is to witness it live,that won't be such a bad idea

Some time ago you were scrounging for evidence of the invisible spirit called God. I asked you to be first to post video evidence of your own invisible force çallled anger and hate, then I will post video evidence of the true creator God.
Go ahead sir and do the right thing, post it.

Butterflyleo:
It is so because OUR UNIVERSE HAS BEEN FOUND TO HAVE A BEGINNING. A beginning means it never existed before until A CAUSE brought it to be. All we see today IS THE EFFECT of that cause. What we call our universe is the effect of that FIRST CAUSE.

What CAUSED our universe to begin to exist, Never existed within our universe because when it existed, our universe did not until it CAUSED it to.

This is very simple.

I showed this post to my 13yr old cousin and asked if he could understand what Butterflyleo wrote here. He took his time and looked up at me with an enlightened look in his eyes and said "Yes it is easy and simple to understand."

I gave my young cousin a bear hug, I lifted him onto my shoulders and we chanted together WE ARE CREATED BEINGS. WE WERE NEVER FISH NOR MONKEY !!!

festwiz:
This thread gave me cancer.

I am sorry hear that. I got Perlapertapersous from reading this thread, but when I decided to read the entire thread again, focusing only on what all those wise Theists said, I was healed.
I recommend you read this thread again, slowly, deliberately while focusing only on what these gifted Theists has said. Your cancer will be healed.

Please sir, only scientifically verified evidence of your healing is acceptable, so post a copy of your medical report and details of at least 75 witnesses.

OkaiCorne:
I have a question.

How much do you need to know before concluding on the presence or absence of God?

For an atheist to even begin to formulate relevant questions on such a lofty issue, I would reccomend that each of them first get at the very least a PhD degree majoring in three relevant subjects.

Low level atheists need not be ashamed or left out as they can rely on their superior scientifically verified historical lineage as fish and monkey to carve out the correct questions that will embarrass Theists delusions on creation.

If atheists faithfully follow the guidelines above they should be publishing their updated Atheists Training Manual V1.001 soon.

Peacefullove:
As in, so funny

How is Man a triune being in the image of God ?

You can effectively exclude all those that identify themselves as products of an ancestry of fish and monkeys.
Richard Dawkins once told a small sad audience of atheists that they were all fish in the past. There was thunderous applause with fish scales flying.

I do doubt Dawkins whenever I am at the beach and observe atheists that can't swim.

OkaiCorne:
Apparently, religion has its flaws in describing who God is, and that's what the atheists are latching on.

However, at the end of the day, it takes a leap of faith to study the workings of the universe and still conclude that there is no God... or that all of it is an accident or sheer coincidence...

Atheists are indoctrinated to latch on like a leech sucking blood from its host.
No matter what the perceived flaws are, all true religions point its followers to a creator God.

Yes sir, it takes a leap of blind faith to conclude that there is No-god. Ravi Zacharias had this to say;

"9 Living in an evil world makes it much easier for me to understand my own wickedness than to think in the crystal-clear terms of perfect purity. In his biography of Mother Teresa, Christopher Hitchens set out as his goal to find something that would mar her character. He said of Mother Teresa, "She is the great white whale for the atheist in me."' So he had to play Ahab and bleed her.

How revealing that is of human nature. We resent the indictment purity brings. Is it any wonder that we cannot understand God? This gap is not only one of morality; it is one of capacity. It is easier for me to think in terms of time than for me to think in terms of eternity.
How can I ever explain the dwelling of a perfect Being in eternity when my being is so locked into imperfection and time? How can I understand the supernatural when I am so bound by the natural? "

dalaman:
Very empty talk, if God as defined and advertised by you guys wants people to know about him then the issue of a person's idea of conviction will not even rise because God being all knowing and all mighty will know exactly what it will take to convince every and all humans. Remember you are talking about an alleged being with unlimited abilities that wants to be in a relationship with humans to the extent that he killed himself for them accordingto the story. There is nothing like freewill since according to the bible some where created and chosen by him even before the earth was formed. The word free will does not even appear in the bible so let's just put and end to this copout Christians use to keep lying to themselves.



The bible clearly states and explains the level of its God intervention in the life of the Christian.

Here is what Jesus said according to the bible.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

According to the bible Jesus was a very great miracle worker that did so many wonderful and incredible work. The bible even says that if all the works he did were to be recorded all the book in the world at that time will not be able to take it.

Jesus then PROMISED those of you that believe in him the ability to do greater things than he did and also PSOMISED YOU that what ever you ask in his name he will do it.

If this is true then you winner01 should be able to heal amputees, feed starving children with 5 fish and few pieces of bread, walk on water, raise the dead, heal people with cancer and other terminal illnesses at will, pass through walls etc because Jesus promised you that and clearly stated that he will always intervene when you pray in his name as a believer in him.

The fact thathat you can't do any of this things promised you despite you very sincere beliefs shows that the promise is false and you believe in a lie. But knowing the kind of person that you are you won't want to accept that you have been lied to and you are following lies, you'll prefer to tell us why atheist won't accept evidence for a God when the evidence to show that your God is a made up lie lies right in your presence.

Utter trash. This proves again that you are unable to understand the sayings of the almighty Jesus.
I won't dare waste my time explaining the serious errors in your satanic conclusions.

Go study your atheist training manual for enlightenment.

dalaman:
As an atheist I do not know how the universe came about. Cam you use God alone and objectively explain to me how the universe cane about?

You falsely claim that you don't know how the ............ You can only claim there is No-god because you know how the universe came into existence.

The foundations for your arrival at a correct answer to your own questions concerning God and the universe can found in your own Atheist bible fondly known as
The Atheists Training Manual shared here earlier.
For your convenience, here are a few lessons taken from your Atheists bible;

1. Make sure your main focus is on Christians. You can 'touch' on other groups to appear even-handed, but ensure you are careful to make Christians your constant target; you don't want to get killed in a Jihad, do you? So only 'mention' the others such as Islam but then say that there is no difference between radical Muslims and 'fundamentalist' Christians.

2. Remember that you are looking for faults in other religions (Christians) not trying to defend yours so do not try to prove atheism! Remember, it's much easier to destroy than build up.

3. When referring to atheists always use power-filled terms like 'intelligent, educated, thinkers, strong minded and independent.'

4. Ensure you call Christians childish degrading names like, pathetic air-heads, pointless God-bother-er's, deluded bible kissers and insult them with statements which include the terms like ignorant, clueless, uneducated. The goal here is to provoke and frustrate the Christian to the point they become angry, then, you can then claim they are a hypocrite for not being 'loving like Jesus.'

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OkaiCorne:
Atheists are certain God does not exist!

I'd like to know how this universe came to be in the first place...

Was it by accident?

Brilliant question ! Expect some great answers from atheists considering what their Atheists Training Manual teaches them.

Examine the sound logic of LESSON 24 of the Atheists bible below;

24. Only quote the Bible verses that put God in a bad light, make sure every scripture quoted makes God look like a mean, unfair judge and never ever allow anyone to quote scriptures which show Him in the positive light of a loving heavenly father.

chemystery:
The guy is confused by his own topic

There is no confusion in the Op. Winner01 presented his case brilliantly to the Jury. Could the confusion lie with the Jury?

What if the Jury was trained to be confused when deliberating the facts in the Op?
What if the entire Jury are practioners of the Atheisms Bible fondly called,
THE ATHEISTS TRAINING MANUAL, would that not explain their corrupt verdict ?

We have in evidence The Atheist Training Manual kindly handed by Butterflyleo to the Judge on the 2nd day of proceedings.

Could the Prosecutor read aloud LESSON 11 of The Atheist Training Manual;

11. Always ask for 'evidence' for the existence of God but never accept anything presented to you especially when you are told that God is a Spirit so you can not perceive Him with the physical senses or with any physical equipment. Also ignore the reply that 'God is God and he does not need to 'prove' himself to his creation, we are to answer to Him, He does not answer to us!' At the end of a discussion remind them that all you needed was some type of 'evidence' for God.

Can the weighty matters of a Holy God ever be discussed in an atmosphere of senseless evil ?

dalaman:
https://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2013/everdraed/post.gif

what am I witnessing here ? An atheist that ran out of ideas and then copied his Theist opponent Butterflyleo's tactics by stealing his Radioactive Waste Bin.

How low will you go?

Butterflyleo:
Na wa.

All they are preprogrammed to monotonously repeat like people with zombie syndrome is EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!

I need to show you something that sciencewatch drew my attention to sometime ago. You would find it interesting.

We fondly call it the atheist manual

Here is the full list.

And all the points there are very true and totally mirror the atheists on nairaland.

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Thanks for sharing that horrific Atheists Training Manuel here. Very appropriate. You have not lost your touch Butterflyleo.

LESSON 2 teach atheists "IT IS BETTER TO DESTROY, THAN TO BUILD."
Just this single lesson reveals the core brutality of the Atheists creed.

Because of the mental disease inherent in atheism, no evidence is good enough for them.
Everyone are bored to tears with atheists lame attacks on what to them is a non existent God and Jesus and they wonder why atheism has never filled any sports stadium to 3% capacity, while Christians always overfill the worlds largest Olympic Stadiums.
Atheists fail to realize that fighting the personal experiences of billions of Theists is the toughest challenge an atheist will face in dismissing God’s existence. Regardless of how many experiences they explain away with sound logic and scientific principles there will always be those who through real life experiences believe in the supernatural and ultimately in a God.

I LOVE JESUS !!!

winner01:
What will you accept as evidence for Gods existence?

And why are you so angry

Calm down. How you expect me to respond to your arguments when you ignored mine is really baffling.

Read the thread again, the thread was not an evangelical thread. Its simply a point I tried to make. Why are you so agitated?

Yes he is extremely agitated because he can't deal with the glaring fact that you are not willing to engage insane circular pretentious arguments, instead you are fabricating a deliberate approach to avoid another dangerous societal meltdown.
I haven’t fully wrapped my head around your comments yet.
Regarding your initial response to the questions, well put and, I think you are certainly a good candidate for our long term survival.
Thank you for adding beneficial content to the debate.

JESUS SPEAKS LIKE NO OTHER PERSON CAN.

Here is a brief extract of Ravi Zacharias's in depth study of Jesus the Messiah.

Only one who has known the bondage and enslavement of sin and the emptiness it brings can fully fathom the liberation of the cross and the glory of the resurrection-to hear His voice again. No wonder the world of Christian thought is so adorned with a wealth of music. They are the sounds of finding that there is more than just a garden. When Jesus speaks and says, "I am the way the truth and the life," He claims what no other did. When He says, "My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand," He speaks as no other does.

The Bible says that though God has spoken to us through the prophets and the apostles, His climactic expression is in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ (see Heb. 1:1-2). In the second chapter of the Book of Philippians, the apostle Paul says this of Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (vv. 6-11)

Butterflyleo:
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What's now the essence of the picture?

I'm not in support of anyone, but if we are to go by the degree of what offence those people in that picture did, what Fayose might have done to them is right.

You guys are looking for a leader that only acts in accordance with your line of thoughts.


With all these your wailing, I'm so sure, you got hit by Fayose because you were terrible too with your service to the government.

Most people shouting Fayose this Fayose that are in their own would have been more wicked than him, if they find themselves in his shoes.


You guys should stop being sentimental. Majority of our people need reorientation about how to conduct ourselves with respect to our interest and that of others; that we need to act selflessly no matter what.


I remember few years ago when I needed transcript from UNAD to further my studies. I just completed my NYSC, and financially, I was so down. I gathered money to get to UNAD, and the guy in charge of that department with other of his colleagues, were just behaving like they weren't being paid for the job.

You needed to see the way and manner they were attending. They wanted me to realize my mission won't be accomplished. Yet, they didn't give me any reason for the delay.

I made the official payments at various departments, and I tendered my clearance and all, yet, this people were hell bent in attending to me.

The worst of it was the fact that those who also came for their own transit on that day, some of them already understood their language. They were able to bribe their way in.


If Fayose should visit people like this and catches them in the act, people like them, which are always your kind, will come over to the internet wailing; you won't confess what in actual fact had transpired.


We all need to change our attitude, particularly most of the government workers; they all behave like they are not being paid for the job they are hired to do.

Coming here to seek for public sympathy with one sided story shows how wicked you yourself could be.

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LMOA

After watching the horrifying movie "SCHINDLERS LIST", I have a better understanding of the frightening consequences of Atheism.
Their mockery and insults of all that is holy is only the begining. Put them in positions of power over others and watch cowardice and cruelty match their disdain for human dignity.

Psychiatrists say it is painful to observe patients in Mental Asylums attack things they consistently claim does not exist.
The. same frightening psychotic behaviour is displayed by Nairaland atheists who gang up to molest a God and Jesus they say has never existed.

Emusan:
Statement like this always shows that you people need critical Bible study and not online discussion.



Says the person who didn't even understand Religion.




Did you also know that the same Bible categorized the sin men fell to into two?
1. Our nature has been corrupted
2. Common sin you know today like lying, killing, unfaithfulness, lover of immortality e.t.c



Anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as his personal Savior and Lord is a NEW CREATURE.

What do you understand by this?



You failed to realize that Bible spoke about two different sins and how these sins will be eliminated.

Firstly, as Jesus Christ came, he gave power to live above the second sin I mentioned above.

Lastly, if one can sustain/live above the second sin till the very end when Jesus will restore the FIRST NATURE then the person will possess the UNTAINTED NATURE lost during Adam time. Then there won't be sin NO MORE.

This is what the Bible says.



You're born sinner simply means you still possess the very HUMAN NATURE of Adam that's why death is still reigned in Mortal body but these "Death and Sin" will be know more.

Did you read that in your Bible?



Says again by the person who doesn't understand it.

Brilliantly explained sir.
For Atheists to deny Jesus is like denying that Kentucky sells chicken.lol.

Ravi Zacharias had this to say!
At the heart of every major religion is a leading exponent. As the exposition is studied, something very significant emerges. There comes a bifurcation, or a distinction, between the person and the teaching. Mohammed, to the Koran. Buddha, to the Noble Path. Krishna, to his philosophizing. Zoroaster, to his ethics.

Whatever we may make of their claims, one reality is inescapable. They are teachers who point to their teaching or show some particular way. In all of these, there emerges an instruction, a way of living. It is not Zoroaster to whom you turn. It is Zoroaster to whom you listen. It is not Buddha who delivers you; it is his Noble Truths that instruct you. It is not Mohammed who transforms you; it is the beauty of the Koran that woos you.
By contrast, Jesus did not only teach or expound His message. He was identical with His message. "In Him," say the Scriptures, "dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily." He did not just proclaim the truth. He said, "I am the truth." He did not just show a way. He said, "I am the Way." He did not just open up vistas. He said, "I am the door." "I am the Good Shepherd." "I am the resurrection and the life." "I am the I AM." "

budaatum:
What language was God speaking at the time? And who was there recording it even.

Good question. Let's leave it for you to answer.. It will be interesting as usual.

vaxx:
SA has done quite impressive job for her citizens .thanks to the diamond industry and post apartheid regime . but i am of the opinion Morocco is doing better .and due to its proximity to Europe will be much easier to trade with the rich block . Morocco has a tremendous investments in cleaner energy-only countries with stronger economies and vision invest in clean energy while poor ones are more concern with feeding the hungry masses and disease control. http://www.computerworld.com/article/3031659/sustainable-it/worlds-largest-solar-plant-goes-live-will-provide-power-for-11m-people.html Libya too will have be in this position but lost it due to political brouhaha.

I always enjoy your writeup.
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MPSA:
It's clear that South Africa is the winner, We always believe in winning, Winning, winning and winning

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tomakint:
You folks are just immune to spiritual things I wonder where you folks woke up from and started spewing unfounded hypothesis on the scriptures. How dare you compare God to man, what do you know about God?

I see you conveniently missed the gravity of my point. "And God said let us make man in our own image and likeness "

Now all evidence proves that man is indeed a triune being made up of three distinct entities working hopefully in harmony with each other.

Please answer this, who was God speaking to when he said, "Let us make..............."

tomakint:
Don't always be in a hurry to know the mind of God concerning his Word. You need the Holy Spirit for deeper interpretations of the Scriptures to you. The Bible is never in support of Trinity, a doctrine evoked by a Roman Emperor, Flavinus Constantine in the year 325 AD despite reading the lengthy piece of the origin of Trinity as a dogma in the first page of this thread, I wonder why you are trying hard to rubber stamp Trinity Doctrine into the Bible. There is only One God (Yahweh, Jehovah) there is only Begotten Son who also worships the Father as seen many times in the book of John chapters 6 upwards, also in Revelations from Chapters 4 to 6 and also this same Only Begotten Son can be worshipped as established by the Only One God ( Yahweh). Trinity preaches about three Gods united in one, under the same substance, co-equal in strength and authority........so looking at this, I still wonder why you are trying to squeeze Bible passages to support Trinity when it is not so. Read other people's opinions here and learn......be opened to learn from others. God bless you!

Would you care to consider this ; God said, let us create man in our own image and likeness.

Man is also a triune being just like God.

udoka55555:
no

Atheists blatant attacks on Jesus is of no scientific significance. Atheists are simply revealing the demonic forces that fuel their beliefs.

It is instructive that Ravi Zacharias had this to, ". Some beliefs are false, and we know them to be false. So it does no good to put a halo on the notion of tolerance as if everything could be equally true. To deem all beliefs equally true is sheer nonsense for the simple reason that to deny that statement would also, then, be true.
But if the denial of the statement is also true, then all religions are not true. In the real-life struggles between right and wrong, justice and injustice, life and death, we all realize that truth does matter.
Jesus Christ repeatedly talked about the supreme value of truth. While His life has been scrutinized more than any other's, it is remarkable that even skeptics have granted and recognized His unparalleled life and impact. Here, for example, is an opinion from a highly respected scholar, the famed historian W E. H. Lecky: "The character of Jesus has not only been the highest pattern of virtue, but the strongest incentive in its practice, and has exerted so deep an influence, that it may be truly said that the simple record of three years of active life has done more to regenerate and to soften mankind than all the disquisitions of philosophers and all the exhortations of moralists."
Historians, poets, philosophers-and a host of others-have regarded Him as the centerpiece of history. He Himself made a statement that was very dramatic and daring when He said to the apostle Thomas, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). Every word of that statement challenges the fundamental beliefs of the Indian culture from which I come, and in reality, actually stands against an entire world today.

OLAADEGBU:
Why do they then assert that He does not exist?

The wiseman Ravi Zacharias also had this to say, Let us be sure that Jesus was not western. In fact, some of His parables were so eastern that I think much of the West may not have entered into the rigor and humor of what He said. What has happened in the West is that His impact over the centuries has been so felt that the ethos and moral impetus of His message changed the course of western civilization.

The western naturalist, in sheer arrogance, does not see this. Now, after technological progress, wealth and enterprise have so woven themselves around the message of Jesus that popular models of Christianity appear as nothing more than self and greed at the center, with strands of Christian thought at the periphery. This adulteration has rightly merited the severe rebuke of the critic.

We would do well to remember, however, what Augustine said: We are never to judge a philosophy or religion by its abuse. That aside, the way Jesus spoke, the proverbs and stories that He told, and the very context in which He addressed issues was steeped in an eastern idiom. Let us not forget that.

OLAADEGBU:
Praise the Lord!

Yes. Jesus Christ is our healer, He is our deliverer, He is our saviour. There is no known spiritual entity from Buddhism to Islam that can do what the almighty Jesus has been doing in the lives of true believers for more than two thousand years.

Right now there is an explosion world wide of the mighty miracle works of the all loving Christ. Jewish Rabbi's and Muslim Imam's are starting to preach that Jesus is the Messiah.


Cc anas09, felixomor, butterflyleo, sonofthunder, Olaadegbu, muttleylaff, winner01
doctoralien, anas09, goodmuyis, bennyann, MsNGO40, malvisguy, scholar8600, temi4fash, ishilove, rekinomtla

May the comforter continue to lead you into all truths Olaadegbu.

Primesky:
Hahaha... The truth remains the truth!. Please don't deny it. I won't mock you. I need you to see the truth for yourself, and the bible is very clear about who Jesus Christ is. It's just that you're trying to defend yourself and save face. That I understand, but please, don't continue in it.

Again, you have misinterpreted what the bible meant by calling Jesus Christ an Apostle.

If Jesus answering the name of God was just because God is his father, why should only him answer the name of his father?. Are the angels and men not sons of God, who can also answer the name of the Father?.

Let me show you again from scriptures.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why did the Jews say that by saying He is the Son of God, He makes Himself equal with God?. Did the language hide something from us?. Again, why is that everytime, Jesus is referred to, the definite article 'the' is always attached as a prefix to Son?. Why is it always 'the Son of God'?. Is Jesus Christ the only son of God?. Why is He always referred in such manner?.

Jesus is not a mere prophet or apostle, but Jesus Christ is God the Son!. Shalom.

Thank you sir. You are a voice crying out in the wilderness, just like John the Baptist.

cooljude:
Interesting read but I think he as a person existed because you cannot tell me that a fictional person made all this cult like following till this day. most archaeological excavations has showed that Nazareth was a settlement during his life on earth. As for his God like status, I honestly think it was exaggerated. one thing me and you would agree on is that he must have been an exceptional person for him to have this level of followers till now.

The demonic spiritual forces that initiate atheists, block truth from entering their minds. Satanic atheists claim they worship science, but they go mental if science prove that Jesus is real.

Joy posted this extraction;
Will Durant, a historian, writer, and philosopher, wrote: “That a few simple men [the Gospel writers] should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels.”
Albert Einstein, a German-born Jewish physicist, asserted: “I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.” When asked if he viewed Jesus as a historical person, he responded: “Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
“No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus.”—Albert Einstein

Only on Nairaland is Hopeful landlord greater than Will Durant and Albert Einstein.

oneolajire:
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India produces 0.9 million barrels per day, mbpd, of crude oil and refines 4.5mbpd as a result of the 25 refineries she has. She achieves this by importing petroleum for her self built  refineries (read the contribution of Engineers India Limited, EIL, to India's success story). Nigeria's crude oil production is 2mbpd but refines about 0.2mbpd in her four dilapidated refineries.


My question is how has Christianity prevented the functioning of our refineries or construction of new ones?  When India was establishing EIL to help in construction aspect of the petroleum industry, what was Nigeria doing? Today EIL is into almost all aspects of engineering. Several other non oil producing nations import crude oil, build refineries and sell refined products to a prodigal nation like Nigeria. I still keep wondering why Nigeria didn't  build a refinery once every four years since 1960.

The steel industry in South Korea, Iran and other Asian nations started almost the same time with  Ajaokuta Steel Complex and the Delta Steel Company  (with about a million tonne installed capacities each). Several years later, the production capacities of the steel companies in those Asian nations have been surpassed and they have become masters in steel technology. Unfortunately, Nigeria's steel project is still a mirage.

You'll wonder if Christians are to be blamed for the woeful performance of Nigeria's  steel industry. You'll wonder if a stoppage in tithe payment will raise both steel production by reviving the steel plants from comatose or bring about new stell plants. It is a pity to see the church being blamed for the consequences of failed politicians and their policies.

Take a look into the educational sector to see the laudable things being done by the church from the establishment of the first primary school, 1843 in Badagry, till the time government mischievously and forcefully took over private primary and secondary schools. Qualitative education was a trademark of those good old days. It is now obvious that the government bastardised the educational system, later gave room for the church and the private sector to come to their rescue.

It is so terrible to see Christians as a threat in all areas of  socio-economic investments, as she is being castigated for all government's inefficiencies. I believe Nigeria's educational standard would have been much better than what we have now if the church's participation had not been been interrupted in the first place.

Malaysia took oil palm seedlings from Nigeria in the 70's, today Nigeria imports palm oil from Malaysia. Malaysia's palm oil refineries are bigger than Nigeria's petroleum refineries while Nigeria keep producing palm oil- and other farm produce- the primitive way. Agric graduates roam the streets seeking for employment because they are unequipped to revolutionise the agricultural system.

Why do we have to blame the church for the government's neglect of the agricultural sector as well as running a monolithic oil economy? Why don't we hold the government responsible for not revolutionising the agricultural sector? Are non christians not part of nation building as well?

Asian Tigers, UAE and other developing nations had rapid transformations as a result of the developmental principles they applied. Life is governed by rules, laws and principles, if you abide by them, you'll succeed. Some African nations are embracing developmental principles of massive investment in education and industrialisation while Nigeria is investing in kleptocracy, nepotism and illiteracy.

Christian critics talk as if we'll immediately have good roads, electricity and all other social amenities when tithes are not being paid. They see Christians as the reason why Nigeria's unemployment troop is increasing daily. 

Silicon Valley was started by graduates of Stanford University (such as William Hewlett and David Packard) and today, it is seen as the world headquarters of information technology and hi-tech products. As Havard undergraduates, Mark Zuckerberg and Eduardo Saverin were able to create facebook in their room. The quality of education offered by American universities made these possible, but Nigeria educational system turn graduates into pop-corn, car wash and beer palour entrepreneurs.

Read my articles "entrepreneurship in Nigeria is a Scam and a multiplier of poverty" Part 1 and Part 2.

https://www.nairaland.com/2983340/entrepreneurship-nigeria-scam-multiplier-poverty

https://www.nairaland.com/3102449/part-2-entrepreneurship-scam-nigeria

More than 40 percent of Nigerian Christians don't attend church at all or attend irregularly. More than thirty percent of Nigerian church goers don't pay tithe. More than sixty percent of "tithers" pay lesser than ten percent of their income as tithe, while many still pay irregularly. I still wonder how a little set of faithfull tithers are being crucified for Nigeria's underdevelopment.

The onus of national development lays on tithers, non-tithers as well as christians and non-christians, especially the leaders in the public sector who are the main policy makers. Nigeria needs someone like Late Lee Kuan Yew of who single-handedly provided the visionary leadership for his country that lacked almost all the natural resources- including water- and transformed Singapore into a great nation.

Orphanages, universities, primary and secondary schools, football clubs, hospitals, skill acquisition centres and many more are what Christians, churches and tithers have invested in, so they should be applauded for their selfless contributions to nation building.


What Nigeria needs presently is to see how we can encourage churches to invest more in projects that can bring rapid transformation to Nigeria. This will be the focus of my next article.‎

Brilliant write up. I can't wait for your next article