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davien:
Regardless if my questions were genuine, wouldn't your answer be factual if indeed there is a plausible way to be aware of beings and realities that are supposed to be completely undetected, either it is completely undetectable or is near-undetectable to be known, in which case it can't be called a transcendental realm and being..

Every time you respond the atmosphere changes. Now you defy the very laws of logic you pride your status on. How dare you minimize the power of genuine in an investigation of this magnitude. That is a deal breaker in the Domain governed by the LIGHT.

There are several plausible ways to experience the supernatural transcendental reality of Light or Dark. If you chose the LIGHT, based on your low level of readiness you will need a very good mentor to guide you.
If you chose the DARK, you will progress rapidly because you have already entered and are operating in the transcendental domain of darkness. If you don't know this then you are not as bright as you portray yourself. No offence meant.

Free tip : A warning is written in the Christian Holy doctrines about atheists swine, so don't be dissapointed when Christians no longer discuss their extremely precious experiences with atheist swine.

Atheists will adapt and turn to man made material objects to mock and insult. I highly recommend that atheists turn their mockery toward cheap Chinese goods.

davien:
It's appalling to say the least the avoidance antics you'd employ when you say you vouch for something you believe in but can't defend..

Why are you so disrespectful of the WinnerO1's wishes?
Read my respectful responses to your questions and find no promises, no avoidance, no attempt to prove anything.

Based on your behaviour, I can see more clearly why Rekinomtla, Butterflyleo, Sonofthunder and many other highly respected Theists worldwide are joining forces to educate Theists, especially Christians of the urgent need to refrain from discussing their precious transcendental/spiritual realities with satanic atheists.

I have seen the shocked reaction of everyone that I gave a copy of the horrific Atheist Training Manual to.
WinnerO1 welcomed Butterflyleo's well timed move to post the horrific Atheist Training Manual as primary evidence of the atheists hidden agenda.

Thank you for this topic sir. It will empower many lives, unlike atheists topics that severely lack life building substance.

davien:
I didn't say I'm stuck understanding, I asked you to explain how you understand or find any of what you are saying to be true..
Will you do that? Or keep dishonestly posting gibberish and answering a straw man?

Then you understand my dishonest gibberish Abe ?

rekinomtla:
There's nothing that can convinced a dogmatic anti-theist atheist that God exists. This is the kind of atheist who has been thoroughly brainwashed by anti-religous propaganda. He/she considers religion to be the biggest "problem" today and often (always) dishonesty links and blames religion for the actions of theists.

Thank you for your wise advice sir. It came at just the right time as I am trying to work out how genuine Davien is about his enquiry.

The Janitor asked the CEO , "What is the easiest thing in the world to become."

CEO answered effortlessly, "An atheist."

bloodofthelamb:
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist.

This is simple.

Absolutely true sir. Atheists believe in NO-GOD. Yes I agree that the burden of proof rests with them.

Next atheist witness !
None .
Case closed !

davien:
You keep bringing up the term "transcendent" and vouching for a well understood version of reality that excludes the one we experience(@bolded) but I and I believe all other atheists or skeptics alike haven't gotten a response on how you became convinced of such.. Why is the answer kept within you or waved aside if it were so basic? Are basic things not explained or accounted for?


And in all honesty where did you acquire information on a transcendent domain above your and everyone else's "material thinking"(from the post I replied first), you see information is all nice and good but the way we acquire accurate information is by asking for the basis with which it was acquired or known to be at most near truthful..
You talking on forces of" light and dark" mean nothing to me if I don't have a clue what you are talking about, I'd merely be ignorantly following along to a topic and accepting nothing but your word of mouth.. Is that how you got to know of it also?

All I've ever come across are claims with interpretations without end, is there one you'd like to highlight which can't be grouped as one or we can say may hold an iota of truth in some sense?

Though all you've provided me with are just your word for word statements they are appreciated, but wouldn't you want to believe in something you know to be true in some sense and not feelings which waver under question and become stagnant to change in thinking.. We should be able to improve in our knowledge and find better answers to all ramifications of life this way don't you think?

Thank you for expressing your concerns and frustrations. The Transcendental realities can not be understood even with a mere PhD. All atheists are stuck where you are with puny secular education and growing arrogance to stroke their ego's.
What I have written obviously confused you as you confess, but every person world wide that experienced transcendental reality knows exactly what I mean. Don't let it bother you, for you only stand worshiping NO-GOD in the Matrix.

Have you ever wondered why children and humble adults learn so rapidly ?

I responded to your question which was, "How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?" As is very clear from my response I never set out to prove anything in the spirit of the Op, WinnerO1 and Butterfly laboured on guidelines that I respect.
With good intention I asked you to make Google your friend but you quickly came back frustrated and critical. This reveal serious character flaws that certainly block entry into the transcendental reality you feigned interest in, on the other hand these flaws are welcomed in domain governing darkness.

Last tip: Don't flaunt your education or status while searching for knowledge and evidence of transcendental realities, that alone disqualifies you. Respect the rules governing the transcendental domain of your choice.

orisa37:
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Cast not your Pearls before swines.

Thanks for your kind reminder. Yes very true, atheists are known to trample on what is holy, then turn to rend your.

festwiz:
This reply killed half the population of Venezuela.

Lmao. Your humour is off the charts.

davien:
I don't seem to be in a better position to answer since I don't claim to know of such, do you know of any transcendent reality?

Your question deserve a fair answer even though you are an atheist. I have noticed something very disturbing among atheists, they really battle to understand basic concepts of most transcendental realities because of the gross material nature of their thinking.

You may be an exception and honestly want that knowledge and experience. So to cut to the chase, it would be fair to warn you that there are only two forces that dominate the transcendental domain, the light and the dark. You are free to choose between the two, but either way you can't choose the resultant consequences. The experience can be very powerful depending on how deep you want to go because it defies physical laws. Be warned that all transcendental training connects you to powerful intelligent spirits.

All true religions, witchcraft, yoga, satanism etc etc all offer real practical transcendental experiences, make Google your friend.

If at the end of a very long journey you want to experience the transcendental reality of connecting to the spirit of Jesus Christ, you will finally know that it is the purest spirit man can experience.
I won't say more because I never evangelize to atheists, that is why I have briefly provided you with many possibilities available based on your own question.
Take care !

Sincere truth seekers need to thank WinnerO1 for opening a Pandoras box of inconsistencies and contradictions in atheism as it builds an army of mental patients to ensure that their materialistic deity, fondly known in the underworld as NO-GOD will succeed as the undisputed ruler of the material world.

For thousands of years atheists have failed because of serious flaws in their ability to use the lowest mental faculty called LOGIC.

An atheist cannot rightfully demand material, non-transcendent evidence for a non-material, transcendent God without committing Logical rape.
He must of neccesity abandon his materialistic worldview - but this is incompatible with his atheist worldview. His weakness of character is like a Berlin Wall that locks him in the matrix.
The hardened atheist realizes decades later that he cannot enter into the Christian worldview, which is based on a Transcendent God, and continue foolishly to use the transcendent laws of logic without being self-contradictory in his approach.

Atheist appear shameless while raping the Laws Of Logic. Their infamous Atheists Training Manual holds the key to their madness.

davien:
How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?

Good question. You could be the first to ask a sensible question.

dalaman:
It's NOT that you are not interested in providing any evidence. The fact is that you can NOT and do NOT have any evidence to provide.

Since you haven't provided any evidence based on what atheist claim will convince them then why are you saying that no evidence will convince any atheist. You are only making this assertion because you know you can't provide any and failure to do that proves their point as such you make up this boogeyman and beat it so that you can sleep well at night.

You certainly don't expect WinnerO1 to take you seriously when you argue at cross purposes.
Stop using psychotropic drugs for a few minutes and consider what Vaxx laboured on many threads. I am inclined to think that atheists choose the DISABILITY MODEL during debates for sympathy.

Vaxx, Butterflyleo, Winner01, Sonofthunder, ishilove, Anas09 and other has brilliantly explained that the scientific method, along with a materialistic worldview, necessarily excludes transcendence - that which exists independent of the universe. Therefore, it can't detect what is outside of the material realm since it is based on observing things inside the material realm."

If a 13yr old spiritually initiated boy can understand the above, why are atheists that pride themselves on logic and claims of superior intelligence so dumb ?

Are they using the sympathy hook and DISABILTY MODEL to deceive Theists out of their precious pearls.

IT IS WRITTEN:

Don't throw your pearls to the swine.

winner01:
What's the title of this thread and where in my comments did I ask you to "believe in my God"?

Is this psychosis or what exactly?

I venture to give an instant diagnoses based on your observations of Dalaman. Psychosis would be accurate sir. Depression and hallucinations should also be considered.

budaatum:
This works very well for me. I'm begging you to come to the shop with me when I go there to spend the imaginary one million pounds that is in my bank account with which I intend to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari I've always wanted. I'll introduce the negative, and you can tell the salesman that he can't prove the money does not exist! I'll let you ride in the spanking brand new red Ferrari on Fruitday, a day in the week that no one can prove does not exist, because "it cannot be known" that it does not exist since it is a negative. Simple!

Vaxx's must certainly be familiar with this amazing display of logic.
Would it be more fruitful to summarize the essense of what Vaxx has painstakingly woven through many threads on Nairaland. My understanding is that he wisely explains that the Christian worldview proclaims a transcendent God who exists outside of, and independent of, the material universe. In other words, the Christian God is not dependent upon the material universe or its properties for his existence.
Vaxx's was also saying that to ask for scientifically testable, material, non-transcendent evidence for an immaterial, transcendent God is the wrong approach because it is a category mistake.

I am certain that if you and Vaxx would simplify the way we all make category mistake when applying the laws of logic.

Remember how my 13yr old cousin understood what Butterflyleo posted but atheists failed dismally at it ?
Well here Matt Slick is explaining the sad atheist dilemma;

"Atheists often ask for evidence to prove that God exists. They say they want tangible, testable evidence that can be verified via the scientific method. Unfortunately for them, such a request is the wrong approach. Instead, they should look for evidence consistent with a Transcendent God. Let me show you why.
First of all, the scientific method is a system of learning that consists of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, prediction, and theory. It is based on logic and observations of the material universe and its properties.

Second, the scientific method, along with a materialistic worldview, necessarily excludes transcendence - that which exists independent of the universe. Therefore, it can't detect what is outside of the material realm since it is based on observing things inside the material realm."
Vaxx has been pounding away at this too, but to no avail. The Atheists Training Manual is the most effective piece of literature used by atheists to confuse other atheists.

budaatum:
This works very well for me. I'm begging you to come to the shop with me when I go there to spend the imaginary one million pounds that is in my bank account with which I intend to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari I've always wanted. I'll introduce the negative, and you can tell the salesman that he can't prove the money does not exist! I'll let you ride in the spanking brand new red Ferrari on Fruitday, a day in the week that no one can prove does not exist, because "it cannot be known" that it does not exist since it is a negative. Simple!

I am sure you can pull such a hoax off on your own. Why bait Vaxx into such fraudulent activity? By offering him the chance to drive your Red Ferrari proves your generosity, why then introduce a negative by stipulating a nonexistent day in which he can actually drive your spanking new Ferrari ?

My last question to you is, after you bought that Ferrari, how much imaginary money did you have left?

darkchild64:
I swear I no get time for such freaks

Butterflyleo offered up valuable time to heal the depravity of your thinking.
Read again below what he said to you on your topic about the soul;

"The problem I have with you atheists is that you know you are physical , and limited to your human senses yet you wish for someone to prove a spiritual thing to you while you are still limited to your human perception.

Stop asking questions you can never comprehend the answers you will get.

You who disbelieve that a soul exists, what proof do you have to disbelieve?"

And like your Atheists Training Manual teaches, you duck and dive then conjured up a magical dissapearing trick. I was left wondering if your Atheists Training Manual could actually give you the skills of satanic deception I observe in your arguments.

So I decided to study your Atheists Training Manual.that the esteemed Butterflyleo shared here. What did I find in that ancient piece of dark literature ?

gabe:
The point I'm trying to make is the concept of God is impracticable to me. So you have to define the properties of what constitutes 'God' for you

If the concept of God is impractical to you as you say, then why spend precious time on the impractical ?

My experience proved to me that the only people to have this type of discussion with are with those that have been initiated into the spiritual world of LIGHT, where atheists darkness can't reach.
I wish you all the best on your chosen spiritual path. There is no neutral path no matter how brilliant we believe we are in our deluded state of mind.

winner01:
Only one or two atheists got the point of this thread and discussed in line with it. The rest are locked on to the "he's trying to convert us" mentality and are being unnecessarily defensive.

So disgraceful!

Yes sir it is utterly disgraceful. That is why I have never and never will disobey the warning in the Holy Bible which says, "Do not throw your pearls of wisdom to the atheist swine, they will mock it, then turn to destroy you."

I was a member of a church that had a fake pastor with no spiritual initiation leading Christ's church which is supposed to be a spiritual training center. He forced the innocent congregation to bring lots of swine to fill his church to stroke his sad ambitions and steal the money. God will not stand by and be mocked. I witnessed the shocking consequences in that fake pastors life.

If we love this incredible Jesus Christ but have not entered deep enough for spiritual initiation, never claim positions of Shepard/pastor of a church.Be happy to evangelize and point people to all true initiated pastors where they will see evidence that your words and the gospels are practical and 100% accurate.

For true Christians, the evidence for God is evidence of the Word and the Spirit of God working as one to produce the miracles as evidence that every word of Jesus is reliable and true always.

Don't throw your pearls to the swine.
Get behind me Satan said Jesus when a man tried to confuse the truth.

gabe:
You'll have to define God before we proceed.

Brilliant plan of action, I must admit.
You take the lead sir and define the God for us to disprove. Theists worldwide will love this.

Peacefullove:
This old line has been flogged Mr.

Son of God = Creation of God

Even the word was made unless your bible contradicts itself.

But the wise ones realize john 1:3 can also mean apart from .

If you insist on nothing was made , Do well to Tell me why Angels are called son of God ? This time around I will monitor you so well to avoid unnecessary digression

did you say this without the word ?

Peacefullove:
Mr , nobody ask you all this , Just calm down

Tell me how man is a triune being in the image of God ?

OK .
1) Man is a fish

2) Man is a monkey

3) Man is an atheist
three in one = Triune

I just made a groundbreaking discovery and hope to get some recognition for it.

ATHEISTS ARE TRIUNE BEINGS

CC WinnerO1, Butterflyleo

budaatum:
Am I not an atheist who relies on evidence anymore? All of a sudden, evidence is before my eyes, and you call it "subjective experience subject to ridicule and mockery from other atheists" as if the opinion of other atheists would, or should actually make me deny what I saw?!

Why am I even obsessed with them all believing me when I tell them what I witnessed?

Exactly why I don't care about the opinions of atheists. Case closed.

Butterflyleo:
A spirit of confusion

Yes Yes ! Your awnser has very profound ramifications for humanity.
Just one more question if you don't mind. If atheists were once fish as the satanist Richard Dawkins proclaimed, then logically they would have EVOLVED to be better swimmers than fish. Why is this not true for atheists?

darkchild64:
But your god is omnipresent why should it be impossible to present evidence to every single atheist at the very same time

Brain bleed as Butterflyleo aptly describes this line of foolish questions.
An Afrikaner will say, "Dit is uiters Kak."

RuthlessLeader:
Op, which God are you talking of. Is it christian version?

The Op is busy with more important issues but I will answer you if you will first tell me how you arrived at this childish question ?

darkchild64:
But your god is omnipresent why should it be impossible to present evidence to every single atheist at the very same time

Why do atheists continually ask WinnerO1 such dumb questions ? God can never be fooled, He knows the vile hardened hearts of arrogant atheists.
The evidence is everywhere. Case closed dumber !

Butterflyleo:
Some just do copy and paste now from previous responses with the assumption that "its the same crap from theists" so no need to read or understand.

Makes the brain bleed.

That is why I speak the language of an atheist to an atheist and the language of God to a true believer.

What is the spirit of the language of atheism ?

festwiz:
This reply made me ret.ard.ed.

And your reply made me roll on the floor laughing because that was what I hoped my reply would do for you.

You arrogantly believe that you are "too advanced" and like a poorly tuned engine I simply had to "retard" you. You should function better and more economical from now.
The "pinking" in your brain that sounded like a metallic knocking will be gone.
Go for a drive into the LIGHT and see your improved performance.
I did it for free.

Evangkatsoulis:
But your 13 year old cousin' brain is not fully developed...

Why do you do this everytime ? You deliberately limit a "created" humans cognitive abilities to the physical.brain ONLY.
That 13yr old is wise beyond his because he is initiated into spiritual LIGHT.

I raised him onto my shoulders and we chanted together "WE ARE CREATED BEINGS. WE WERE NEVER FISH NOR MONKEY !!!"

"WE ARE CREATED BEINGS. WE WERE NEVER FISH NOR MONKEY !!!"

If we were once fish as the satanist Richard Dawkins proclaimed, then logically we would have EVOLVED to be better swimmers than fish. Case closed !