vaxx:
wahoo. Am honoured. Bell pepper to be precise. I will like it garnish with lot of orgarnic vegetable.

Wow you got very good taste. No problem with genuine organic veg, I buy direct from a farm that hate GMO and scientists. They only use horse shvt as fertilizer, no insecticide is used.

Please feel free to continually update me with all your requirements sir. All my guests are always treated royally without exception.

What color Bell Pepper do you prefer sir ?

Glycolysis:

I repeat, an experience I had that night was NEVER a hallucinations of any .
No word can describe what I experienced that very night in the chapel....yea,I did not see any Supernatural Being.
But I felt a presence that got me shaking & fell on the floor,I was just crying... Seriously,I don't know how to explain these experience.

It's no honeymoon feeling whatsover..I was not even trying to stop my human tendencies within those days.....they just went off just like that.

Thanks once again you could feel my true emotion in the write up...I was just trying my best to explain it,but I can't .

You did a great job explaining sir. Did you read the horrible Atheists Training Manual that was reposted by Butterflyleo on WinnerO1's topic ? The 30 lessons in there is an exact reflection of the cruel tactics you experienced here.

I believe you. The type of spiritual experience you had can never be associated with hallucinations. Don't ever be fooled. Study the real life spiritual experiences of a global audience daily 24hrs per day, 7 days per week on Emmanuel TV.

Because I could examine hundreds of other peoples before and after testimonies live, it greatly increase my faith.

The presence you felt, then the dramatic positive changes prove that it was a Godly experience. An experience in the LIGHT.
If you felt a presence then had bad negative changes it proves that you are demonically attacked.
If on the other hand you were hallucinating, you would experience no change.

Glycolysis:

I won't even respond to his mentions again ....
I don't gain anything from an interaction with him....just argument & argument that I don't see logic in...

This topics heading is, "What is Atheism". Examine the responds you are getting and know that you are having a real life experience of the mockery that is atheism.

vaxx:
Whaooo...then I must be part of those four friends o. I really love tilapia a lot though is full of bones....i also love it roasted with much pepper and enough tomato

You are most welcome to join us. I passed your message on to them and got a good response. I was told to tell you that your favorite Tilapia will be sourced especially for you with Sun ripe Tomatoes to ensure your comfort.
What pepper do you use with Tilapia ?

gwama:
It is because the God of the white man is stronger than your Orisha and other gods, that the white man dominates and that the slave trade could be done.Your Orisha and other gods are good only to kill your neighbor, your brother and other Negroes .

Very very very wrong sir.

vaxx:
lol....Tilapia or salmon . Which one is your favourite.

No sir, Sorry to disappoint you, but I have very simple tastes, My favorite fish is ordinary gill free Hake roasted on an open fire with four good friends to share it with. To stay true to my simple minimalistic life style, I would spice the roasted Hake with generous amounts of Sea Salt and fresh hand ground pepper.
I really must courier you a large piece to enjoy.

vaxx:
Apology accepted

Mmmmmm what a relief. Why can't that budaatum guy learn from you ?

vaxx:
evolution is a self evident. Anybody can study it via nature.



Pope Benedict XVI


I also read it from somewhere that archbishop of canterbury is a big time supporter of evolution.

As for Islam, evolution theory seems to be well accepted more than the christain society. Hardly do Muslim debate over it. Apart from the fundamentalist among them.

It is instructive to note that Catholic popes and archbishops were big time supporters of gay and lesbian sex and marriage. They also supported the move to ordain gay and lesbian priests. They also supported hundreds of priests that sexualky abused children in their church by protecting those satanic criminals instead of standing up for the truth to do justice to those innocent young lives.

It is no surprise that they support the pseudo science of evolution.

vaxx:
stop making me laugh............lol. I am cracking my stomach.

My humble apologies sir.

vaxx:
ok , so you reject evolution evidence base on the year difference right?

Not entirely. No I would never stoop so low sir. The topic heading is "What is Atheism." I notice that my approach makes atheists nervous because it touches the rotten root of the atheists dilemma. My question now is simple and relevant because I am giving atheists a grand opportunity to redeem themselves in front of the Christians and Muslims they have unceasingly mocked and insulted.

I call on all mocking atheists to PROVE beyond reasonable doubts the year by year events off the periods marked with hash tags below.
Let me remind atheists that Richard Dawkins indoctrinates atheists with a fishy story.

4.6 billion years ago -The origin of the Earth
3.8 billion years ago - First life arises
2.1 billion years ago - Eukaryotes evolved
# # # 1.1 billion years ago - First sexually reproducing organisms
570 million years agoFirst arthropods evolve
# # # 530 million years ago - The first fish

vaxx:
ok , so you reject evolution evidence base on the year difference right?


BUT in advance, we are not apes nor monkey. We only share similarities with them. They are our nearest cousin. But I am interested in the first question.

Athiest are not necessary scientist. They are simply unbeliever in the existence of God. Though I agree some athiest hide under science to justify their position. I called them science atheist.....

I have a thread on it. You can go ahead and read it.

Thank you for your kind response sir. If you find time in your busy day, please let me have the link to your post on Science Atheists.
About apes being our nearest cousin. I like to spend my holidays in Nature reserves. I always enjoy watching those apes but I never knew that they were my nearest cousins.

The problem I am having after you shared this secret with me is that I have pay huge sums of money to enter my cousins property (Nature Reserve). I admire my cousins while there, but they wont do the same for me. Could it be that they are the more evolved ones mocking me the same way Buddaatum does ?

vaxx:
thanks bro.

ScienceWatch and budaatum. This is for you guys. We are here to learn from each other. Hope this can be settle .

Thanks sir. The complainant appears to be the nervous type when in a rough robust environment.
I really have nothing personal against that fish. How can I be when fish is my favorite meal.

ogyunging:
I came searching for information and knowledge.

Look what I found,

Bashing of heads,

Religious enmity.

Science guy and buddha should chill...

Please, gracias.

Good point sir, you are welcome. I am also here to learn and I am truely amazed at what I found. Things are not as it seems to you. There is no room for enmity in a class room.
You will be safe here. A lot of the banter and mock battles you witness here actually increase Google ratings.

Please post your contributions without fear or have seat and enjoy.

vaxx:
only a fundamentalist will reject evolution.. A close minded individual. It might sound funny, but not all athiest are satisfy with evolution theory too.

With all due respect to you Vaxx, I strongly reject pseudo scientific views on evolution. I have openly stated many times and everywhere that;
ONLY A CLONED MONKEY WILL BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION.

I have no problem with those that believe, but they should be aware that many corrupt scientists have colluded to destroy humanity's believe in a creator God in the same way atheists do.
How does half-baked scientific theories on evolution benefit humanity ?

Atheists ask Christians for evidence of God. All I ssk for is evidence of a day by day account of only one period listed below ;

I assume atheists must know a lot about the period marked below with hash tags.
Richard Dawkins indoctrinates atheists with a fishy story. Lol
4.6 billion years agoThe origin of the Earth
3.8 billion years agoFirst life arises
2.1 billion years agoEukaryotes evolved
1.1 billion years agoFirst sexually reproducing organisms
570 million years agoFirst arthropods evolve
# # # 530 million years agoThe first fish
475 million years agoFirst land plants
385 million years agoFirst forests
370 million years agoThe first amphibians
320 million years agoThe earliest reptiles
225 million years agoThe dinosaurs evolve
200 million years agoThe mammals evolve
150 million years agoFirst birds
130 million years agoFlowering plants evolve
100 million years agoThe first bees evolve
65 million years agoDinosaurs and ammonites become extinct
14 million years agoThe first great apes appear
2.5 million years agoGenus Homo evolves
200 thousand years agoOur species, Homo sapiens evolves
10 thousand years agoEnd of the last Ice Age

Glycolysis:


...do I sound like someone who is indoctrinated to you .....
I have an "evidence" for my believe,which I showed you,didn't I .... Why are you talking like I was just believing what my parents & church taught me to believe in ...

I challenge you to bring up ANY article that will most likely disprove an existence of a Supernatural being, & I promise to go down to the deepest depth with you in studying it

Why do most atheist,you inclusive,believe that people that believe in a supernatural Being are not studying ?...as in,don't study deeply into issues of life to understand them.

"They only have such belief because they were told so"......
that's the most myopic view anybody will ever have,that their opponent in a debate need "evolving".

Secondly, you still can't get why these guy in still believing in a Supernatural Being after seeing how " useless" the Bible could.......

"oh ,he is still living in the bondage of indoctrination he received as a child ! "

Wtf

....the two above,is what I can say , I'm 100% sure about you,so far in this conversation....

Not everybody reads to reply....

What low-level unregistered atheists wrongly believe is that FAITH require no evidence. Budaatum's view is indeed tradgically myopic as you quickly discovered.

The almighty Jesus provided daily evidence of science defying miracles to build the FAITH of sincere observers so that they can glorify and worship joyfully.
Today more than two thousand years later, truely anointed Christian pastors in many countries do the same.

Glycolysis, I pray that the proof that God gave you by the radical miraculous change you personally experienced will be protected by the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus sends you as a sheep among wolves who's sole propose is to rip and rend your incredible connection to God through the Jesus. Sir, always remember Jesus loving warnings concerning this. You are walking through the valley of the shadow of death.

Glycolysis:

No word(s) ,experiments & observation(s) can describe such an experience !

I agree sir. That is exactly why the almighty Jesus taught the way He did. He wisely taught about God using mostley Parables/stories because He knew that atheist God haters would screw the minds of humanity, and then each time, every day Jesus gave practical MIRACULOUS demonstrations to PROVE the reality of God.

Jesus knew that pedantic bling bling language was not needed to understand the Superior truth of a creator God. Daily he provided mind-blowing evidence to back up His simple words. He simply instructed all disciples/pastors to go into the world and do the same.

An answer to the question, What is Atheism starts to unfold. ATHEISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE. They thrive on empty talk which produces nothing of value to mankind. In fact atheism proves to be very destructive to humanity.

Jesus commanded his pastors to consistently provide real practical evidence of the reality of Gods love for humanity. It is not the fault of Jesus that corrupt pastors are allowed to lead a church with out spiritual power to fulfill the commands of Jesus.

Thousands of years later atheist God haters have failed dismally even using science as a vicious weapon to destroy the indestructible TRUTH about Jesus.

The question what is Atheism should be viewed from the superior example of Jesus.
The correct question must be, WHAT DO ATHEISM HAVE TO OFFER HUMANITY.

Compare Atheism with a single example of what Jesus offers humanity ;

Mark 2

Jesus Heals a Paralyzed Man

1 Several days later, Jesus returned to Capernaum and it was reported that he was at home. 

2 Such a large crowd gathered that there wasn’t room for them, even in front of the door. Jesus was speaking his message to them 

3 when some people came and brought him a paralyzed man being carried by four men. 

4 Since they couldn’t bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof over the place where he was. They dug through it and let down the mat on which the paralyzed man was lying. 

5 When Jesus saw their faith, he told the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” 

6 Now some scribes were sitting there, arguing among themselves, 

7 “Why does this man talk this way? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 

8 At once, Jesus knew in his spirit what they were saying to themselves. “Why are you arguing about such things among yourselves?” he asked them. 

9 “Which is easier: to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? 

10 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…” Then he told the paralyzed man, 

11 “I say to you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home!” 

12 So the man got up, immediately picked up his mat, and went out in front of all of them. As a result, all of the people were amazed and began to glorify God as they kept on saying, “We have never seen anything like this!” 

Glycolysis:

Thanks once again,...but I could be very wrong too. That's why the earth is too big that everybody can do his / her findings
But one thing I know for sure is that GOD exist !

Yes yes, God exists.
I LOVE JESUS for he most effectively demonstrated how a loving God operate among fallen humanity.
Hallelujah !

Glycolysis:

To be sincere with you ,I don't know much on philosophy...precisely, epistemology in these case.. I may most likely not give you RICH information you need sir...get my drift ?

I really don't fancy talking about what I don't have much information on....

OK.thanks, same here. My general understanding is that Vaxx was pointing to the two important principles of examining different knowlege sets such as supernatural religion vs natural to prevent confusion or to help aid understanding of the natural vs the supernatural.

Since the day that I experienced the awesome reality of a loving God through Jesus, I lost interest in philosophy. I suddenly realized the huge difference between philosophy and getting a true experience of the incredible nature of Jesus.

Nevertheless, I view Vaxx as a man with wholesome wisdom and learn from his balanced approach to the rich tapestry of world religions and its value to society while searching for ultimate truth about the creator of our universe.

Glycolysis:

I'm sorry, I don't get the purpose for the write up..
What led to these ?

Sorry sir. I thought you may share your thoughts on Vaxx's post on the purpose of the two different epistemologies.

vaxx:
i disagree with you. Even if you are going base on knowledge which is base on established fact. It will have to depend on your epistemology, just like some established knowledge that are irrational but agree with science.

faith can either be rational or irrational too. It is more powerful than logic. Let me break it down . We have (a) a naturalistic epistemology and (b) religious epistemology. Religious epistemology deals purely with preternatural questions. Naturalistic epistemology deals purely with natural questions.

Faith can be rational in religious epistemology but faith can be irrational under naturalistic epistemology. Since religious epistemological answers are unfalsifiable for naturalistic epistemological questions.

Glycolysis:

..I noticed it,hence I was quick to point him out,& you know what ? You witnessed how it all played out.
No need trying to engage in unnecessary arguments, hence,I left him with an "alright..."

You are quided by the LIGHT sir.

profeazy:


There is no rationality in faith. Islam is just like Christainity. The only difference is in some small details!

Allow me to back down a bit sir. I may have misunderstood your meaning. Looking at it again I can agree with you if you meant that people with true faith don't fearfully rationalize their faith. But when that same supernatural faith is explained to non believers, rationalization is an important tool to covey superior abstract concepts to a hardened materialistic mind.

My apologies sir. Please explain the small detail that differentiate Islam from Christianity ?

vaxx:
i disagree with you. Even if you are going base on knowledge which is base on established fact. It will have to depend on your epistemology, just like some established knowledge that are irrational but agree with science.

faith can either be rational or irrational too. It is more powerful than logic. Let me break it down . We have (a) a naturalistic epistemology and (b) religious epistemology. Religious epistemology deals purely with preternatural questions. Naturalistic epistemology deals purely with natural questions.

Faith can be rational in religious epistemology but faith can be irrational under naturalistic epistemology. Since religious epistemological answers are unfalsifiable for naturalistic epistemological questions.

Hi Vaxx please cc Glycolysis.

Glycolysis:

Alright....

Do you see again Budaatum's deception when he said you two had an agreement to not make any assumptions about each other. Do you remember that he was the first one to assume that you must believe the way you because were indoctrinated from childhood.
Your clearly proved him wrong again.

I don't know who is more slippery, a fish or him. Chai !

vaxx:
I am not sure he is aware theology is a branch of liberal art. And it is study up to PhD level. Unless he argue that liberal art can not be rationalized. And If he does, the whole world will laugh at him.

How can you have a PhD in theology without rationalization?

I agree that rationalization is a critical tool in Theology to help both student and lecturer communicate abstract spiritual concepts appear seemly rational and logical.
In most cases PhD lecturer and students have no true understanding of the much deeper and powerful meanings of spiritual concepts so they rationalize for acceptance.

I recall a highly respected Theology professor Willem Ouwenel that was shocked when for the first time in his life witnessed two weeks of continual miraculous healing. He had always rationalized to his students that the biblical miracle ended when the last of Jesus' disciples/pastors died.
Prof Ouwenel had written 100 books by that time. He arranged with the church to come back for three more studies each lasting two weeks, when he was done he wrote a book that got him into big trouble. His peers attacked him calling him deceived.

That is the real reason why higher spiritual truth is rationalized. It is fear.

vaxx:
i disagree with you. Even if you are going to base it on knowledge which is based on established fact. It will have to depend on your epistemology, just like some established knowledge that are irrational but agree with science.

Faith can either be rational or irrational too. It is more powerful than logic. Let me break it down . We have -- (a) a naturalistic epistemology and (b) a religious epistemology. Religious epistemology deals purely with supernatural questions. Naturalistic epistemology deals purely with natural questions.

Faith can be rational in religious epistemology but faith can be irrational under naturalistic epistemology. Since religious epistemological answers are unfalsifiable for naturalistic epistemological questions.

OMG ! Thanks sir. If atheists still fail to understand what you wrote, I will have to declare that they are a true embarrassment to their fish and ape ancestry.

I just showed this to an irreligious student of Philosophy for an opinion. He says that only a fish brain won't understand this incredible writeup of Vaxx. He further says that it is crucial to the genuine truth seeker that the two separate Epistemologies are respected to avoid confusion.

Yes sir, true faith is way more powerful than logic. It is easy to prove.

profeazy:


There is no rationality in faith. Islam is just like Christainity. The only difference is in some small details!

I have never seen someone as wrong as you sir. What I read reminds me of a person driving the wrong way up a busy highway.

You are tooo wrong as someone declared here.

profeazy:


There is no rationality in faith. Islam is just like Christainity. The only difference is in some small details!

Very, very wrong.

Glycolysis:

A maggot can only metamorphize to an adult fly because it's the young of that insect....
Then ,why tell me that prokaryotes can metamorphozied to an adult human ....
Experimentally,it's not proven !!then why should you & I believe that ...

A feotus & zygote of a human can only be metamorphized to adult human ,even in cases of genetic mutations...

Now,science did not prove life processes to me...
Then I went to the book of Genesis ,to see how life started in the book.....
One, it provided evidence to me that like actually begets like...
A sheep can only beget a sheep ! A human can only beget a human ! A cockroach can only beget a cockroach no matter how evolved the cockroach would be !
Even in 3.5 billions of years to come,a cockroach can only beget a cockroach !

Now, the puzzle of how human came is solved for me ; human were created & was not as a product of evolution some 4.5 billions of years ago !

Your writeup is absolutely brilliant. It makes for riveting reading and is simultaneously enlightening. SALUTE !

One more thing, atheists can make the claim that fish and monkey begat atheist.

frank317:

[s]Oga u are messing up this thread with ur stupidity... My only issue is that Vaxx will not caution u neither would dead Jesus.
U are a disgrace to Christianity... people like u are a proof that ur God does not exist.
See u in hell[/s]

Bye. Lucifer is waiting.

frank317:


See u in hell

You would be correct if you said, "See you FROM hell."
Your ancestry of fish and apes are doing a much better job at defying slave trading.
They have escaped the clutches of slave trader and are therefore superior to atheists.
Olodumare is rejecting the mockery of atheists and you know it. Go to hell !