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letu:
Let me add more, the indigenous people your talking about are called the ADAMA'S or ADAMA Igbo speaking people whose origin and civilization is a hundred years older than Eri people of Igala origin.

Exactly! I'm really at loss at how Nri people claim to be the origin of Igbos.

Well, nke ahu gbasara ha! Ignorance is bliss

Rossikk:
You are clueless and ignorant. The ancient Israelites were BLACK PEOPLE. When Rome invaded Jerusalem in 70 AD, over a million Israelites fled into Africa. That number would have multiplied to several hundred million today.



''Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD.'' Amos 9:7

“My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.” – Job 30:30

“I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.” – Song of Solomon 1:5-6

“Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.” – Lamentations 4:8.......The word “visage” means “appearance” (Strong’s #8389)

“Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.” – Lamentations 5:10

“And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.” – Revelation 1:15

Believe whatever you wish; I don't care!

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OMANBALA1:
Bla Bla Bla.....making unfounded claim ain't gonna help you. Nri is Anambra and Anambra is Nri! I a tried true son of the soil will speak on that not you....Omanbala culture is a mixure of Eri/Nri, Onicha , Omanbala , Awka. etc . You cant divide Anambra, you are inconsequential!

Aro has no cultural ground....I know it hurts when you realizes your people are nothing but criminals in the past. The most powerful, elegant and prestigious institutions in ana Igbo all have strong and proven Nri and related groups roots....

Mmuo Ijele
Nze na Ozo
Igba Odu Umunwanyi
Igba Akwunechenyi/ Igba Ijele
Agaba aju ogu
Ofala
We have beautiful culture and you don't...bia kpoolu m isi ani,ofeke

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Grandiose delusion! A bughi m onye Aro biko! You are not worth my time biko! I choro onye na akporo gi isi ala. Go tell your siblings to bow to you.

Happy new year to you biko. I cannot fight with you onye Nri. Anyi abuo bu ndi Igbo. Egbe bere ugo bere!

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NaijaRoyalty:
Another attack on Igbo businesses yet again

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Rubbish! Stop bringing Igbos into everything biko!

Pettiness at its finest! Ihedioha should stop embarrassing himself!

There's no need to impress a woman. If a woman reject you, rejoice for a finer one will come your way later.

Don't be too eager for sex

If you have a good apartment and some coins in your pocket, believe me, na you go run for girls taya.

OMANBALA1:
You dont dig into what you dont know. The four market days were originally deities worshipped by the Nri and related groups on different days thats how it was named after the days...you dont know these because you are not from Anambra.

Mbaise and Owerri dont have Nze na Ozo!!...the behavior of an Ozo man lacks in the average Imo , Abia and Ebonyi man. Those who didn't learn Nze na Ozo directly from the Nri borrowed or copied it. You dont have the prestigious institution of Nze na Ozo nobles. Stop claiming what you dont have....and what Anambra practices is Omanbala culture and it has definition

Ikenga is the cult of the right hand that spread beyond Igbo land into Uhrobo , Igala and Edo. It is an Ndi invention and all the Igbo know that Aka- Ikenga is the most powerful arm of Ohaneze Ndigbo. Now, you know.

The Eri and Igala gibberish is nothing more than trying to save face....bring your proof, oga . By the way Anambra share alot with Igala and we are proud of it....all the way from Aguleri to even Orumba has Igala. We love our Igala brethren. Anambra has beautiful elegant culture and you are jealous.


List Aro achievements...even the Aro Izuogu , Ajali and Ikelionwu practice Omanbala culture. Aro people are nothing but criminals who terrorized Igbo land and today they have nothing to show for it because there was no substance nor essence...read history of Nri because we are the pride of Igbo!

You can only tell your lies and fables to your village folks. Don't rope in Anambra into this. The discussion is on Nri. The four market days weren't an invention of Nri. All your grandiose claims exist only in your imagination. The Igbos have been using the four market days from time immemorial and yes, the four market days are deities also.

Nri got nothing on Aro. It is verifiable that Eri is of Igala origin. His name, the names of his kids, the attire of the Agulueri king of the old, their customs and folk lore all scream Igala. I'm not condemning Igala. Just setting the records straight.

Eri was an Igala king who arrived into an Igbo speaking area. When Eri arrived he met indigenous people. He engaged Awka blacksmiths. These are verifiable.

Nri was great in its own way, however, it got nothing on Aro. Now, stop claiming what you are not.

You can continue living in your lies. We all know the true history

ZiriMane:
Okcornel, One problem with most people is the issue of inferiority complex. Everyone wants to be associated with good or a phenomenal landmark. Have you ever seen anyone say Iranians, Palestinians or Iraqis were originally black skinned? No!, simply because of their dented public image even though geographically they are closer to Israel. However, since Israel is blessed by God why shouldn't our race be associated with them¿ why shouldn't we be the blessed race¿. Africa and the black skin is unique in its own way. Israel folks could have been red, white, olive or [color=#005500] GREEN [/color] for all I care!
They wer'nt just Africans

Exactly! These guys are suffering from inferiority complex. They are claiming Jews because of the success of the Jews. I'm done arguing with them.

They believe in their own lies and grand delusions. I can't help them.

OkCornel:
Assyria (Asshur) and Syria (Aram) are different

Abraham was from the Chaldeans, not Assyria.

Very good anyways, we are making progress. I hope you know the following races are also Semitic alongside Assyria

1) Persians (now Iranians and parts of Iraq)
2) Lydians or Ludites (now Turkey)

Are these people not also olive skinned up till this present day? Why aren’t they classified as blacks too?

Cc: Zirimane, Scottallen

My brother no need to argue with that guy. Mr President1 believes in his own delusions. I'm done arguing with him

OMANBALA1:
Go and read the history of the Igbo cultural traditions.

No culture /tradition was invented by Aro...Aro were slave traders and hustlers...nothing more. They have nothing to their name!

As for Nri...think about Ikenga cult, think Nze na Ozo, think Ichi ,think the four market days...eke , oye, afor and Nkwo. These are some of the foundation of Igbo society. What did Aro bring ?

Agreed, Aros were hustlers and slave hunters. They however, wielded a lot influence back then. The British recognised this and fought to dislodge them. The Brits never bothered about Nri.

However, I totally disagree with you on the four market days and the nze na ozo claim.

The four market days have been with the Igbos since time immemorial. People who never heard of Nri had it. Your claim is a fallacy, my friend

Many Igbo societies had Nze without Nri influence. Many communities in Owerri and Mbaise have it also.

The Ikenga wasn't popular in many southern Igbo communities. I also believe it has an Awka connection to it

Eri was an Igala king who met an already established Igbo community even in the Omambala area. The Awka people were already well established before the arrival of Eri. Many other communities were already there before the arrival of Eri.

You can only tell your lies and spurious claims to ignorant folks

nanaman:
Thanks for this. Very educative especially your second paragraph.

To dislodge such case in court will be an herculean task. Reason been that, we are just listening to a side of the story. Why did the man refuse to accept the pregnancy or child? Probably the woman was promiscuous (OP, apologies, we are just dissecting issues), or very naive while in school, or he was out of sight when he got the news or it was just absolute wickedness or the lady's fault as well (you know girls, they might be funny at times) lots of reasons we can't comprehend.

I want us to remove personal feelings and sentiments.

In court, you don't throw the water and the baby away. It would be based on facts. The mother already accepted, the man owns the child. Being that the child was not properly taking care of can be due to lots of reasons beyond the control of the man. The man is guilty of all charges. Accepted

However, does that just justify the court to denounce him of his child since the mother accepted he is the father? Does his irresponsibility make loose partenity?

Easier said than done. The deadbeat father will lose in all circumstances. This is Nigeria and not England. We have customary laws. The customary court must preside over such cases as: marital cases, communal land disputes, child custody, and so on

Unless, the OP wants to let sleeping dogs lie, the father of the said girl has no case. The girl doesn't answer his name. She may decide not to donate her specimen for DNA.

The real dad is the one who took care of her when her biological father denied her

Forumobserver12:
Sometimes it may depend on the age of the guy, is obsolutely difficulty for a guy in his teen to accept responsibility of such, this is usually out of fear, but for his family to denied it, that's
completely irresponsible of the family...

Not necessary true! I have seen seen guys in their late twenties and even thirties deny pregnancy

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mrlycan:
Boss forget all these IGBO this IGBO that.. While growing up. I watched NTA very well, ladies come after 30 years plus looking for their father, all because the mother lied about their birth. Whether bride price or not. If the girl finds out that the mum is at fault , thats the last day she set sights on her

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Stillthebest:


Unfortunately, that's how it would be. The father always owns the children either cared for or not. No Law has ever says otherwise yet.

However, it is very disgusting and irritating how some foolish men reject pregnancy they knew they were truly responsible.

If the preg is doubtful, why not say ' we go for a DNA'

If finances is the issue why not accept the pregnancy and do a lil u can do to support the lady or worst still show irresponsibility or just run away instead of an outright rejection!

I wish there is a Law that will ever ban such father from having access or reclaim such children born out of these acts!

This has destroyed many children's lives.
Well, you can't do anything about it. Just let it be. Wouldn't advise you to make the man pay all you have spent.

The worst case scenario, he may be granted access to the child but the access can be revoked if the child feels uncomfortable about it( The mother can manipulate the child in this regard).

It is a lose for the stupid father in any case.

Stillthebest:


Unfortunately, that's how it would be. The father always owns the children either cared for or not. No Law has ever says otherwise yet.

However, it is very disgusting and irritating how some foolish men reject pregnancy they knew they were truly responsible.

If the preg is doubtful, why not say ' we go for a DNA'

If finances is the issue why not accept the pregnancy and do a lil u can do to support the lady or worst still show irresponsibility or just run away instead of an outright rejection!

I wish there is a Law that will ever ban such father from having access or reclaim such children born out of these acts!

This has destroyed many children's lives.
Well, you can't do anything about it. Just let it be. Wouldn't advise you to make the man pay all you have spent.

No law says that a man automatically becomes a father by sperm donation alone. Not in the Igbo customary law which is also upheld by the Nigerian secular law.

OkCornel:
Jesus and the Jews were blacks crew. Please explain Jeremiah 13 v 23, thanks.

Don't mind them. I believe they are suffering from inferiority complex. Just because, the Jews are successful, everyone wants to associate with them.

What's wrong in being African? What's wrong in taking pride in our mud houses, in our masquerade, oracles, and other elements of our culture? What's wrong with being African?

Why do people claim what they are not? I'm an Igboman and I'm a proud African. We were created here in Nigeria, West Africa.

I'm really tired of our people!

MrPresident1:
Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, he was Assyrian (Syrian), from ancient Mesopotamia. A king of Mesopotamia was called Cushan-Rishathaim, Google the meaning. The Canaanites were Hamites, Ham is black.

So, everyone is now Black

You're really funny! You have taken your own delusion too far

kingsmecca:
We migrated from Omoku, Ogba/Egbema in Rivers State.

You should talk about your family only! Egbema is still an Igbo speaking clan. I thought you said Edo state before?

baby124:
Interesting... but the child will be curious to know her roots. So one can’t make such strong decisions for her. You don’t want her running behind everyone’s back to see the father. The man could even be a molester. So the family should handle the matter cautiously and carefully, while providing her guidance and protection. He needs to be sued for child support of 16yrs though.

Unfortunately, there's little provision for child support. The child already has a root because he/she is already a member of a family. However, it is a cautious matter. I don't accept giving up the custody of the child to a fool.

The child could be shown to her father, while, telling her how the man disowned her publicly!

Biafrareform:
Good evening all. I need your honest opinion on this .

My elder sister was put in a family way 16 years ago. The guy responsible, his family rejected the pregnancy Infront of my family .

We took her in, cared for her and she gave birth to a lovable baby girl . Dam, she is so pretty and was well loved.

She grew to become my pet . I loved her with all my heart. Infact we all loved her .

My elder sister is married . She has told her daughter that her present husband is her father when she start asking questions.

She is done with her secondary school and currently running a fashion design program . I planned on sending her to the Uni once she is done with her program .

Just got on phone with my sister now and she is telling me that , the dude that got her pregnant family has been disturbing her to allow them access to the girl . That they are ready to train her to any level .

And she is considering telling her daughter the truth about her birth .

Can you imagine the nonsense. I have warned her not to do that not to talk of giving them access and I am currently furious right now . After 16 years of loving this girl, someone is now claiming father .

Please how do I handle this .

If he denied the pregnancy, then he has no business with the child. Customary laws applies in this case, even if the case goes to court.

In many Igbo communities, a father isn't just a sperm donor. If a man didn't pay for a woman's bride price, technically in the customary court, the child isn't his.

Remember, if the man goes to court, he must first of all start with the customary court and he will definitely lose.

The ball is in your sisters court!

crafteck:
What makes you think bride price carry any value aside sentiments, you just compared custom to biology

A child is much more than a biological product. A child lives in a society! Even in the court, customary laws must be followed!

[s][quote author=nanaman post=85330421]Yes. Issues like this should not be taken or decided with personal feelings.

The man was bad. YES.

Is the father of the child. YES

Did he take care of the child from birth till date. NO

Has she (the girl) being adopted by another family. NO

No where in the law states an irresponsible man should be denied paternity. Lots of things would be posed as the cause of the problem and if the mother denies, DNA would be requested and since the mother knows, truly, the real father is the new man, then, DNA is ruled out.

I already explained what your sister failed to do at the initial stage which brought her to this step.

To custody issue, I stated, the young girl is of age according to law to decide where she wants to live. The court cannot deny the real dad visit and care para-adventure she decides to stay with her mother. Wherever she decides to stay, the man is now "responsible" to law and he should not be denied his right. That's the law bro. [/quote[/s]]

I will invite the said Dad, patiently wait on him to come to the house, I'll cut off his scrotum and face the consequences!

MrPresident1:
Tacitus sounds the death knell on your olive skin theory. The Scriptures I am talking about is the Bible

Why do you not claim all of the neighbors of the Ancient Hebrews to be Black too? Go ahead and claim that every race is Black

YusufTheGreat:
i hope during Sallah celebration You will wear muslim cloth And your wife will wear hijab And you will take pictures with it to wish us happy Sallah

What's wrong with that? I wear flowing gown many times, yet I'm not a Muslim. Does a dressing define someone in this 21st century?

MrPresident1:
One argument European Christians like to make is that Hebrews look “Middle Eastern” or “olive”, but we know from the Bible that’s not True. For those that don’t believe scripture is important, or that they can make it up as they go in order to feel more comfortable, Tacitus is one more nail in the coffin.

“A few authorities hold that in the reign of Isis the surplus population of Egypt was evacuated to neighboring lands under the leadership of Hierosolymus and Judas. Many assure us that the Jews are descended from those Ethiopians who were driven by fear and hatred to emigrate from their home country when Cepheus was king. There are some who say that a motley collection of landless Assyrians occupied a part of Egypt, and then built cities of their own, inhabiting the lands of the Hebrews and the nearer parts of Syria…” – Tacitus, Histories 5.2-5

As we can see, Tacitus described Hebrew origin as possibly Egyptian or Ethiopian. This is important because it puts perspective [on] an Old Testament Bible verse:

“Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?” – Amos 9:7

http://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/the-evidence/tacitus-confirms-that-hebrews-looked-like-africans/

What scripture are you talking about? You paint the scripture to suit your imagination and narrative. The old Israelites knew the Egyptians. They were never the same. Soon, you would claim the Greeks, the Phonecians (otherwise called Lebanese), the Persians, Assyrians and other ancient people. God made each to their own kind. We in this part of the world have nothing to do with Ancient Egypt.

The Bejas, Nubians, Dinkas, the many tribes of Northern Sudan and some tribes of Southern Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia, Ethiopia, these are the ones that have some link with Ancient Egypt.

However, ancient Egyptians themselves were not the same with the Ancient Hebrews. The ancient Hebrews were olive skinned as can still be seen in the surrounding environment till this day

Obi1kenobi:
Maybe his critics are intolerant bigots. But if you're a Christian who would see Christian embrace of Islamic tradition as unchristian, then I hope you know you're a hypocrite. I have no problem with your opinion though if you're irreligious.

Many Christians celebrate with Muslims and vice versa! Even UAE, an Emirate celebrate with Christians on Christmas. Many Muslims, millions of them celebrate with their friends on Christmas. Christmas is now a cultural and secular event, even though, the origin lies In Christianity. I'm a Christian but not religious, though!

MrPresident1:
I am yet to see anyone gifted whom mere mortals have not called paranoid. I have done my part in warning you. Or you think I say these things only by human agency? Wait for the revelation of the Wrath, you would wish I was more strident.

The Bible is the history and future of BLACK people; their slavery and their redemption. In the day of their redemption Cush/Ham (Egypt) and Assyria (Shem) will be blessed by the LORD saying:

Isaiah 19:24-25
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Nb
Israel came out of Assyria

Assyria, Ur, Babylon and all Iranian people have always had White to olive skin. The Arabs are ancient people. They still have an Olive skin till this day

Make una stop all this madness! Why would you claim someone's heritage. We are from Africa and no where else!

Ancient Egyptians were likely Black people. However, ancient Israelis weren't Black. They were a mixture of the semites and some Mediterranean groups. They have always been olive skinned with a tiny black admixture.

Trulie:
I am an ohaji guy from assa-awarah precisely where this project is being undertaken. While I am igbo, I can authoritatively tell you that my ancestral root goes as far as omuku and bini in present day edo state.

If your ancestors were Bini, how come you speak Igbo? It is either your ancestors where Igbos who lived in Bini or your ancestors were welcomed in an already Igbo speaking area. These are the only two possibilities.

Obi1kenobi:
Being English doesn't stop him being Muslim. And a Muslim erecting Christmas imagery in his house is very strange. Even many Christians consider Christmas trees, ornaments and decorations idolatrous, talk more of Muslims. It's one thing to wish people of another religion goodwill in their religious celebrations and festivities. It's another thing to actually celebrate it with them when their celebration contravenes your faith. Muslims respect Jesus as a great prophet of God but consider the divinity accorded Jesus by Christians blasphemous. So if you're a devout Muslim, you'd certainly be offended by Khan, one of the biggest ambassadors of the Muslim community in Britain, amplifying Christmas imagery.

The only ones offended are the intolerant bigots. Well, Mr Khan has no f**k to give

Eberejesus111:
Well, can you give me the facts. For I'll like to know the place of your research. This research was from an old man from, in which this knowledge was passed onto him from generations and not that habalobo research stuff.

Being old has nothing to do with wisdom! A well traveled man is always wiser than an old man(Igbo proverb). It is sheer foolishness to say that we are Israelites. It all began with Christianity.

We usually have the Nfunala, Nhunala, Diana, Okpu people in all areas. So many scholars have ascertained that Awka,Orlu,Okigwe stretch could possibly be the earliest Nfunalas who had no history whatsoever of coming from any other place.

I sincerely, want to ask you a question. If Aros where Israelis, what happened to their skin color? How possible was it to travel thousands of mile from the middle East to AlaIgbo? Who did they meet when they arrive? Are Aros not similar to other Igbos and West Africans per say? The Israelis had a written language. What's the evidence of this Hebrew( Don't bring up the nsibidi. It was an Ejegham script)? Do you know that the West Africans are physically, morphologically and socially different from the people of the Middle East?

Do you know that the Bedioun Arabs have been here in Africa for more than one thousand years and still retain their looks and characteristics?

I believe, the Israelis story has to do with inferiority complex and a desperate attempt to hold on to the last straw.

NB: We Igbos have always been West Africans. We never came from anywhere. Our language is not spoken as an indigenous language in any other country.

I believe you are educated. You can make your independent research. They are many books on the Internet and off the Internet that you can read to clear your mind.