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Politics / Re: If H.clinton Happens To Win The Primary Election, I Will Not Vote For Her! by seabiotics(m): 5:58pm On Mar 06, 2008
Big B1:

My man, first: Hillary will never never beat McCain, trust me.

Second: The coast is not yet clear for Hillary; folks (big fish) are leaning toward Obama. Hillary is cool to the outsiders, but the insiders know more and what she is capable of doing. She is not a saint.

Finally, if I don't vote Hillary will not win!

Ok, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I believe you need to rethink your strategy about not voting for Hilary. NR is too small to let your message sink in. I suggest you take out a billboard ad, plus a TV commercial. That way, millions around the globe will hear your message loud and clear.
Politics / Re: Obama, Can He Make History? by seabiotics(m): 3:07pm On Feb 13, 2008
Segzyjoe

*clap* *clap* *clap* Well done, shocked

And you came up with this convoluted thoughts all by yourself? Wao!
Btw does it have a part 2
Sports / Re: Why Are Men So Passionately Crazy About Sports? by seabiotics(m): 2:33pm On Feb 07, 2008
I think it is a sign of the pathetic deprecation of manhood.

Voyeurism has been substituted for participation as the money motive has come to dominate the arena.

The Real men pick up the challenge and make millions while the wimps scurry off to their little seats in the gladiator's pit
or in their little crevices with the tube for company while they jealously admire the people they would and should be.

Man's fighting instinct has been passed on top proxies, the Mannings and Brady's of this world.

I abhor sports and never watch. I have sold my gladiatorial instincts but will not debase myself to reify other men.

And if you wonder how I have come about this drivel. . .I have been reading Nietzsche recently.    


Doyin,

I followed "your train of thought" until I got to the last line and saw Nietzsche's name and muttered to myself "no wonder". I am also glad that you concluded that your write up was pure drivel. At least you were being honest.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Hillary Clinton For President by seabiotics(m): 2:38pm On Feb 06, 2008
Horus:

Hillary Clinton is a liar! .She and her co-conspirator Bill Clinton has lied throughout her campaign on Barack Obama, told vicious lies and practiced unscrupulous behaviors. If she's lying before she gets in the White House what in Hell do you think she's going to do after she gets in? They come with too much baggage that the republicans are sitting back greasing their palms hoping she'll get the nomination so they can slap the undies off of her.

So Hilary is a liar? shocked

And this was me thinking all along that all politicians were saints. Now this does not make for good reading.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 11:07am On Feb 05, 2008
Posted by: McKren 
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Lol,  this time arround, crying and sending false mails wont do.

The Clintons should simply appeal for more votes no curning tactics will work, the Obama camp has succeeded in bringing to the fore the "do anything or say anything" to win an election policy of the Clinton political machine.

McKren,

You are right on the button there. But I would say it's still very much a close call between those two. Even the aftermath of the "Super Tuesday" primary elections still won't be able to separate them.

But isn't it conforting news that after the Kennedy clan came out to voice their support for Obama, other stars such as Oprah and George Clooney have joined the Obama bandwagon. Oprah was quick to dispel the notion that she wasn't just voting for Obama because "he was black but because he is brilliant". Talk about being vague.

Perhaps America is gradually waking up to the reality that this rather increasing primary elections between the Democrats is not about race after all.

"Super Tuesday" will sure shed more light on this.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Was Nelson Mandela A Terrorist? by seabiotics(m): 3:59pm On Jan 31, 2008
Seun,

NO, Mandela was not a terrorist. Anyone who has read NM's biography will lend credence to this.

It appears the appellation - terrorist or[i] ism [/i] - is not applicable to all the military acts of the West whether covert as in the many cases of the CIA, or overt as in the invasion of Iraq. As seen in the eyes of most people in the West, Mandela and the late Arafat were regarded as terrorists. In the misguided opinion of the West, they knew fully well they were fighting for a cause, and hence refused to acknowledge them as freedom fighters. Yet the West itself has committed far more atrocities the world over when compared with the activities of terrorists in general.

When acts of injustice is perpetuated by the West, do they expect a siddon and look approach all the time? Or do they expect the preferred method of peaceful demonstration by the late MLK?

I have never given due regard to the way the press in the West use cleverly couched phrases to describe certain nefarious acts of ethic minorities. For instance, during the French revolution (1789) and the Bolchevik Revolution (1917), I did not recall any time when the phrase "ethnic cleansing" was employed. Ah, but it will apply in Rwanda.

Another example. When a white person injures a black person, the headline will read "White man attacks Blackman". It reads further: A white man has since been helping the police regarding the incident.

If it is the other way round, it will read "Black man violently savages white man". Following the brutal and grievious attack, a blackman described as tall, with a thick accent has been arrested. He is due to appear in court soon.

In passing, the West twist words and meanings to suit their own purposes. Rather than admit to lying, they use the word - spin. And in order to be politically correct, rather than report that innocent people were slaughtered in the act of war albeit unintentionally, they will be referred to as collateral damage.
Sports / Re: Super Fowls Of Nigeria by seabiotics(m): 2:36pm On Jan 28, 2008
Super Fowl? You do them justice. At least fowls can run.

They should be called the Zimmer Frames of Nigeria.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 3:53pm On Jan 27, 2008
Dawid,

You are right. It is becoming more evident that the election is about race.
How far this will get Obame, though, is what we don't know yet. But write Hilary off at your peril.

The deciding factor will be February. It sure will be interesting.
Business / Doing Business In Nigeria by seabiotics(m): 5:24pm On Jan 21, 2008
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Education / Re: How To Improve My Spoken English? by seabiotics(m): 5:03pm On Jan 16, 2008
@Romeo,

If you thought you had scored some brownie points, I leave you to your whim.

Let me delve quickly into the issues you brought up again.
You see, you will learn to recognise that when someone is having a discourse, in formal meetings, giving a presentation, making a speech, etc, what distinguishes a good communicator of the English language and an ordinary speaker is the delivery. Which is the reason why a PR firm don't employ just anybody if you haven't got the gift of the gab - even if you have a PHD.

Secondly, how you communicate in informal meetings cannot be equated with the way you are able to communicate when making a business presentation.

You asserted sarcastically that if one took their Nigerian certificate to anywhere in the world, you wanted the person (certainly not me)to see what would happen. I'll tell you. A good employer (even in the West)is always on the look out for a sound and capable employee. Any employee who is prepared to overlook race and other variables (i.e. thinking all Nigerians are corrupt or 419ers)will employ a Nigerian with good qualifications based on their knowledge, qualifications, likeability factor, where and how they fit into the organisation, transferable skills, presentation (in appearance and ability to communicate fluently).

Or don't tell me you haven't heard of reputable Nigerians with their Nigerian certificate working for big multinational banks (yes, banks), Corporations, Defence Organisations, Law firms, as Doctors, in the police force, etc. So what is the premise of your argument?  

The fact that you brought up one of my old posts to support your argument really shows the disappointing manner in which this discourse is going.

Henry Ford was questioned on his lack of general knowledge, not his inability to express himself in English. Now you know. Although it was stated in black and white for all an sundry to see in the write up.

I also stated that the Chinese et all, favour ([b]the operative word being FAVOUR[/b. ]I've placed this in bold lettering so that you don't miss it this time) their native language at formal occasions, it does not necessarily imply that they can't speak English. It just might be they can't speak it fluently.

Now if a Japanese can speak English fluently, even in his own country, he will be offered more roles and an incomparable degree of respect and gratuity than his other skilled Japanese who can't strings two sentences together in English. You can argue this until you are blue in the face. But that is the reality.

The Oriental countries don't invest heavily in sending their students to study a degree in the West alone. They also study their work methods, business operation and ethics. It is also to learn and be able to speak English properly. Why then are so many foreigners attending the School of English in the West? And why do those foreign countries recruit British teachers to teach their children English?

In passing, when I mentioned in my write that "some people can speak English, but are shockingly deficient in their native language", it means even though English language is a necessary skill to have, one must also be able to converse in one's own native language. Why? Or our native langauge will be extinct if no one speaks it anymore. That is another subject matter on its own. On this last line, I leave you to ponder this: Why do you think foreigners who give birth to their children in the West instill the importance of speaking their own language to their children?
Education / Re: How To Improve My Spoken English? by seabiotics(m): 1:49pm On Jan 16, 2008
Quote from Romeo:

How about the Asian wiz kids? Russians, Germans, French, Italians, Spanish? did they learn their science and technology with English language? It is nothing but another important language to know!! English language can not put food on your table or pay your rent, Nigeria has a lot of un-employed graduates roaming the streets without work or hope of getting one very soon.

REASON:
They spent their time in the university learning to be very good in English language and thus neglecting their chosen careers. We could've been benefitting from "out sourcing" if our youths had dedicated more time to learn their chosen careers instead of English language to show off their "ghost education"








Please endeavour to fully analyse and comprehend the context of an argument before making a contribution. It will serve you well in all you do. The context of this discourse centers on the poster's inability to converse in perfect English amongst his friends.

True the Japanese, Russsians and Asians may have been adequately skilled in Science and Technology without learning English. But that was not the point I was maintaining.

In fact, these scientists are more likely to gain a wider exposure and respect in their field if they are able to present their research papers to an audience in English language. Aside from this, they will also be able to field questions from the audience that may include science reporters and other knowledgeable experts in their field and other related fields.

Similarly, the ability to demonstrate your expertise in your chosen field by expressing your self in perfect English at dinner parties, business meetings and networking events, gives you a presence money itself cannot buy. And since English remains our lingua franca in Nigeria, the emphasis on expressing oneself in English at formal occasions is important. Even some folks converse in perfect english at informal occasions as well. It just depends on whom you hang out with.

With regards to the "ghost education" you alluded to, you will inadvertently be opening a can of worms that you probably aren't aware of.

Except those students who studied English at the University, I do not know of anyone else who studiously focused on learning to be very good with the usage of English language whilst neglecting their chosen careers. If there is a dearth of professionals in the Nigerian market today, this has absolutely nothing to do with your point.

If a student neglected their chosen career, did it occur to you that they may not have a passion for that career? Or they did, but didn't face their studies squarely. In this regards, how has learning English affected their chosen career? Instead of affecting it, it should boost it.

Let me say this, and trust me on this, because I know it works. There is power in the usage of words (I am referring to the English language), both orally and in writing. It can get you anywhere you want to go or want to be.

You said spoken English doesn't put food on the table, well it won't if you can't express yourself perfectly when you are about to submit a business proposal or asked to justify its rationale. It won't get anyone a good job as well, if you can't express yourself better on an application form or at an interview.

Do you want to know why some people have “ghost education”? It has nothing to do with their supposed ability to converse in English language. Perhaps, it may be due to a number of reasons. You may lay the blame the govt. door for not investing heavily in education. You may blame some of the lecturers for not teaching students “properly”? You may blame the students for swapping quality educating for sex for grades, cultism, and rioting. But to suggest that the learning and expression of good English in Universities contributed to students neglecting their chosen careers has to be the biggest joke of the century.
Education / Re: How To Improve My Spoken English? by seabiotics(m): 5:12pm On Jan 15, 2008
@nazzyon
Since you said you are graduate, you should simply pay attention to conversations.

Get some tutorial pronouciation Disc & CD player (mobile): People from non English speaking countries learn using this device.

Listing to news broadcast always; but some of the newscasters make mistakes sometimes.

Note: It depends on your line duty. If you are into sciences & Engineering, I am damn sure you will know how to use the terms in those areas perfectly. Little English is requried in that area.

Note: Check yourself may be you are fluent but you have difficulty of talking in the midst of people. I also have the same problem. You feel people might crucify you if you make mistake.

Secret: Talk more in the presence of your friends, people who will take their time to correct you.

Lastly, reveal your secret to a younger person. If you associate with kids of may be primaries trust me before you know it you are going to change and feel different about yourself.

The only disadvantage of the line that comes before this; your way of conversion might turn childish. You can mend it before it gets out of hand.




I disagree on your point about English language not being important in the field of Science and Technology. Indeed, the ability to express oneself effectively in English (oral and written)is considered an important transferable skill in every field.
Education / Re: How To Improve My Spoken English? by seabiotics(m): 5:59pm On Jan 14, 2008
@ Purist,

Well noted points and good debating skills as well. Kudos.


@ Poster,

The basic rule is to work hard on your shortcomings. I am not going to dwell exceedingly on how to overcome your English language deficiency, because many forumers here have made some invaluable contributions. However, I suggest the following:

1. Do not attempt to learn how to speak proper English from watching movies.
2. If you are privy to the Prime Minister's question time in England, that is a good programme to watch to learn and to polish off your skills.
3. Read good books. Not novels. May I suggest authors such as Brian Tracy, Napoleon Hill and John Maxwell.
4. Get a book and write down phrases that you hear. Once in a while, learn practicing these phrases and repeat them often.


Best wishes.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Hillary Clinton For President by seabiotics(m): 9:04pm On Jan 10, 2008
america is not ready for a female president whose husband ruled within the last decade neither are they ready for a black president yet. from the look of things, i think obama will pick the democrats ticket, though i think hillary is a better candidate, but her being a woman a wife to bill will work against her. americans are very sentimental.
i will be very surprised if the republicans don't continue in office after bush, very suprised.

Americans are not ready for a female president, nor are they ready for a black president? I see. Have you conducted an empirical study that underlines your "opinion". Why do I think so? It is because your opening statement is based on opinion. Only the outcome of the eventual presidential election in favour of the republicans can prove you right. But it is still early days to make that kind of unguarded assertion.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 8:48pm On Jan 10, 2008
@seabiotics
i will keep saying, you guys are jobless.
what do you mean by saying. if obama was white? aint they other white guys there.?
u guys aint good political analyst at all. u think say this wan naija politics.
obama this, obama that, obama, obama una go gree let peeps hear world.
WHITE HOUSE=wHITE PERSON.
NOR be aso rock

Define joblessness in the context in which you used it? This is a public forum. And if are extremly busy as you won't as to believe, how come you've made more than one post and keep coming back? For a person who claims none of us is a good analyst, I bow to your analytical thinking skills in the manner in which you have expressed yourself.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 5:57pm On Jan 10, 2008
Posted by: jerrymania

I see the way peeps are talking much deeper concerning this guy. IF he becomes the American President then he is the horn of the antichrist that will partner with the vatican for greater world domination.

Wow! Where did that diatribe come from? What has the Anti-christ got to do with him becoming the President? shocked
My goodness! I know there is freedom of speech, but it also precludes employing a modicum level of rationale as well.

Also, I notice people are jumping on the bandwagon of Obama? Nothing wrong there. But my earlier assertion is that don't vote for him simply because he will be the first black president of America.

Similarly too, don't do same for Hilary on gender alone. Phew!
Foreign Affairs / Re: Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 10:49am On Jan 10, 2008
@Nwando,

Seriously, you are a hoot grin  grin

Your comments, tantrums, and innate "obsession" for Obama to get into the White house has had me in stitches on this thread. Na wa o, you wan win contract?

On the surface, there is a noticeable paradigm shift in American politics. Invariably, the litmus test for choosing a candidate to run for the highest office in America is now based on the likeability factor and I hasten to add, conjectures. Little or no regard is paid to policies anymore.

Presumably, some informed electorates that still cling to this important element rarely take the time to digest such policies to see if in the long term they seem feasible and practicable.

Can Obama win the Presidency I ask? I was shocked to read some comments stating that he hasn't got the experience to pull off a victory. Maybe so. Some have highlighted the fact that America is not ready for an African-American president? Anything can happen, regardless of the lack of experience. Should the issue of race come into this? The question is as intricatingly difficult to answer as it is to predict who will win the presidency. One thing I do know is that he is a person and the issue of his race should not come into the race. If his policies are sound and he is able to sway the voters with the X-factor he possesses, he can win.

Can Hilary win? Why not. Funnily enough, she may garner enough votes mainly from women to see her enter the white house a second time. Does the issue of gender come in this? Judging by how she won in NH, maybe so. But overall, will it be enough for her to win the Presidency?

Can McCain win? Why not. He may not have the likeable factor, but he stands a good chance. Will he be able to covet the votes of the older generation to secure victory? Will his war record stand him in good stead?

My point is this: Why do people vote nowadays? From the three case studies I have shared, the issue of gender, a person's likeability factor, and a person's war record seems to be the yardstick with which the American electorate base their preference for a particular candidate rather than dwell on the significant issue regarding a sustainable leadership quality, vision and pragmatic policies that can effect a real change in the American polity.

I may be wrong, but these are my observations. Your thoughts everyone.
Foreign Affairs / Obama For President? by seabiotics(m): 5:17pm On Jan 08, 2008
The race is on to elect the next president of the United States of America. On show today in New Hampshire, voters, mainly independents, are going to decide who wins the primary presidential nomination for either the Democrat and the Republican.

Recent polls indicate Obama and McCann are surging ahead in New Hampshire. However, I am more interested in Obama. If he wins the primary ticket for the Democrats, he is on course to becoming the first African-American to do so.

Obama (yeah, girls, the bobo is foinne, but stop drolling, he's married grin)oozes charm, finesse and a great vision for America (I particularly endorsed his plans for climate change and health care). He is young, untested, but that is what the Americans love about him. They see him as the person most likely to effect to change in American polity. Some Democrats also see him as providing a strong challenge for the Republican's than Hilary Clinton ever could.

Born of a Kenyan Father and White Mother, do you think he stands a chance of being the first African-American president? Would he have even had a glimmer of a hope if his name was Aderoyeje Obalola. With hindsight, my guy would probably have changed it to Roy King.
Nairaland / General / Re: Please Ban Me Before Nairalanders Kill Me With Their Ninglish by seabiotics(m): 4:25pm On Jan 03, 2008
oldie:

@poster
There is nothing like bad english
Should be poor english grin

I agree with some of your points, but you should not generalise
There is room for improvement!

Actually, the poster is right in her usage of the phrase "bad english".
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 1:21pm On Jan 02, 2008
Jairzinho:

In addition,we must work on WINNING mentality,ManU(or manure apologies to seabiotics grin) did't play well against Birm ,but still won,so in essence we NEED that winning mentality back.

Jairzinho,

No need to apologise Scousers usually refer to Man U as Manure. The hatred for each other is deep.
Yes we need to wor on our winning mentality. We need to approach all games as if we are playing the likes Everton Manure Arsenal or Chelsea.

Today against Wigan, we need the three points or we or out of contention.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 3:53pm On Jan 01, 2008
bgees:

Away from the idea of defecting.i'll like to air my views on the team.
Torres,gerrard and babel are our highest goal scorers.why not try them out togdther.we need goals.
Lucas leiva was brazilian player of the year(2007).an award previously given to greats like romario and kaka. My big question is: WHY IS RAFA SCARED TO USE HIM? Why not play him in 'gerrard' role and put gerrard nearer to d opposition.
Rafael benitez is a great coach who clearly understands d game.he is concernd about our future(we now have an array of young talents in the youth system). but i tire for d guy sometimes.


The only reason why Lucas can't hold a place in the team now is because of Mash and Alonso. But there have been occasions when Lucas has played the full 90 mins. Other occasions Alonso was dropped for Mash or Sisoko. And at times, Mash too has been dropped for either Lucas or Alonso. But I don't think Rafa is scared to use him on a consistent basis.
Nairaland / General / Re: Please Ban Me Before Nairalanders Kill Me With Their Ninglish by seabiotics(m): 4:35am On Jan 01, 2008
Dear Seun - Nairaland Moderator,

This is a formal request asking that you ban me [quickly] from your forum. Please do so before the level of English Ninglish used here kills, maims, or adulterates my own command of proper English grammar. 

Following my recent visits,  I have left Nairaland wondering what in heaven's name is happening in Nigerian classrooms? What has happened to those days of yore when you were drilled until you mastered correct usage of English grammar by Primary three?!

For example,  I clicked on the discussion item at the top of the 'hot list' today and almost suffered a fatal blow when the poster started with "Have you ever sit, " I understand occasional 'slip-ups' however, the repeated instances on this forum has lead me to believe that these folks just never learned proper English,  or have not bothered to keep up by reading well written literature or revisiting early lessons from time to time (and as needed).

I am now officially fed-up with Ninglish and would like to turn-in my Nairaland membership before irreparable damage is done. I will now be  moving over to the Nigerian Village Square. Nigerians there seem to have better control of the language. Ironically, they seem to make better sense too.

Respectfully,

Rubbermaid.

PS - English is your friend. Blame those who made it our national language. Peace.


Rubbermaid,

I admire your erstwhile unrelenting resolve not to read posts on Nairaland replete with grammatical mistakes. You have made a good point. It is instructive to note, fleetingly, that the mastery of the English language and its proper application is without doubt, one of the hardest tasks to accomplish. In saying this, it does not mean it is improbable.

However, one salient point you conveniently ignored is the fact that people come to Nairaland for various reasons. Some are not professionals. The proper usage of English, therefore, is not of the utmost importance to some of them whilst communicating on this forum. Note, that I said on this forum, not necessarily in their day to day business.

Admittedly it is true that some people may suffer the occasional lapse of making typo graphical errors. Some are passively lazy to proof read what they have written. Some will blatantly, and unashamedly, spew grammatical scud missiles. However, it is important to understand that a poster's inability to construct sound English should not be used as a yardstick to judge their intellect or lack of it. A poster may not be able to express himself lucidly, but does that make that person devoid of imagination which is by far, more superior to the acquisition of knowledge?

Let me bring up a case in point. In his time, some people questioned Henry Ford's intelligence positing that whilst he may possess considerable specialised knowledge, he was in the main, ignorant. He responded by saying he could summon to his aid, with a push of the button, people who can answer any question he desires to ask concerning his business. Therefore, why should he clutter up his mind with general knowledge when he has people who can supply all the knowledge he requires.

The point being made here should not be lost on you. Yes, it is good to express oneself better when communicating in English. But do you know why the French and Chinese especially, favour their own mother tongue than English language when communicating at some formal occasions? Perhaps, it may also interest you to note that there are some white English forums where some of the written English will make you cringe with embarrassment. Mind you, the fact that they are sons of the soil is flagrantly inexcusable.

In passing, I would like you to prove openly why you think this statement,  "Have you ever sit"[b][/b]is grammatically incorrect. We all know it is wrongly worded. What I need you to point out, and justify, is what makes the grammatical syntax in the sentence to be out of place. Besides, with all our "grammar" and intellectuals, has it made our nation any better? I refer to those on ground and not in the Diaspora. At what expense have we even added value to our national heritage when some Nigerians can speak English fluently, but are shockingly deficient in their own mother tongue?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 6:25pm On Dec 31, 2007
kooldamsel:

Hey dnt forget the ladies.LIVERPOOL RULES grin cheesy cheesy cheesy

Yep, we won't. How could we?


ritchboy:

[b]Liverpool will finish above arsenal?[/b]Dude, u need to stop smoking your ear-wax.

So when he said it, you felt it was impossible. For the past two seasons, hasn't that been the case?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 2:39pm On Dec 31, 2007
lai-lai:

u guys are a dry team, i've nothing against you people but i always sleep when im watchin u people's match

u are organised defensively but u people have to notice attack is not just runnin, more technique is added

Like most of your posts eh? wink


Don,

Yes, it's the wrong time to jump ship.It's worryin that we dropped another 3 points. But let's not forget that not many teams will go to ManCity and pick up three points. It's still along way to go yet. And we have to continue to believe. Manure, Arsenal and Chelsea are still going to drop points. They will still go through a lull. There is also the ANC coming up. So let's see what will happen. In the meantime, Rafa needs funds to buy quality players in defence, midfieldas well as attack.

dominique:

not a liverpool fan but i like gerrrad. he's so cute.

Dominique,

Gerrard isn't the only cute one. ElNino and Lucas should make you go weak at the knees too. Enough reason to make you support the most successful club in Engand.
Sports / Re: Your Best World Cup Ever by seabiotics(m): 1:13pm On Dec 31, 2007
davidylan:

USA '94. Brazil made football look like an art.

Although at the expense of a very poor German side in the final. This was much the same way Brazil looked ordinary against France in 1998 final.

Don,

I agree. Amando's second goal against England in 86 is ranked as the best ever WC goal in history. What a goal. What a player. And what a stage to perform as well. He single-handedly won Argentina that WC in 86. Without him in the team, they were clueless. He was the puppet that pulled the strings. Would I choose him over Pele or Zizou? You bet. But that's for another day.
Sports / Your Best World Cup Ever by seabiotics(m): 3:53pm On Dec 29, 2007
Well, this is definitely subjective as the individual choice will depend on the era. And even at that, it is still relative. However, regardless, the parameters for choosing the best tourney is as follows:

Based on quality goals
Based on individual players and skill
Based on quality teams
Based on quality matches
Based on quality final


Using this framework, I would opt for the 1982 WC. This was football played at its best.
In terms of goals, you had them from Falcao, Zico, Socrates, Platini, Rossi, etc

In terms of individual skill, you had them in the players mentioned above, plus a little cameo from a young Maradona. Even Roger Milla, Theofilus Abega, Emmanuel Kunde (all from Cameroun) Jean Tigana, Dominique Rocheteau, Alain Girese (France), Rabah Madjer, Lakhdar Belloumi (both of Algeria), Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Pierre Littbarski,
Harald Schumacher (Germany), Osvaldo Ardilles, (Argentina), Claudio Gentile, Dino Zoff (Italy) etc, all graced the occasion.

In terms of quality teams, the team paraded by Brazil was the best team never to win a world cup. They were a "complete" team, bar striker (Serginho) who was really awful. Italy too was solid. West Germany was like a machine. France shone. This competition really belonged to the big boys.

In terms of quality matches, Italy v Brazil, West Germany v France were outstanding thrillers one needs to revisit.
In terms of quality final, West Germany v Italy was a classic. Italy winning 3-1 in arguably one of the best WC finals.

What WC tourney do you regard as the best?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 2:23pm On Dec 29, 2007
Don1DeMaco:

guy no be fight oooo
was just making a comment and i didnt mean "omo" as in child.
point taken and i want to agree with u that a quality central defender and david villa is ok but not selling dirk kuyt others can go including pennant

I understand.

The reason why Kuyt has to be sold is because he doesn't score enough goals like he did in the Dutch league. His workrate is outstanding, but at this stage, Liverpool don't need a workhorse, we need a finisher. Look at Man U, Tevez and Rooney work really hard as well, but they score goals. Even if they don't, defenders have to be on their toes. With Liverpool, the only dangerous goalpoacher upfront to cause defenders nightmares is El Nino. Even our wingers don't strike fear into the opposition say Ronaldo does. I'd have opted for Quaresma, but I don't think Rafa is interested. Plus, attitude is poor. His offensive play is brilliant, but his defending is nothing to write home about.

Wel, let's wait and see what will happen come January.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 2:25am On Dec 29, 2007
Don1DeMaco:

omo u go need Bill Gates money to get all these people wey u list oo, ramos of madrid or another one dey the sam berbatov wey all amn wan buy for spurs? and u want to sell our darling Dirk kuyt? and by the way which richards are u talking about micah? u must think Hicks and Gillets bought liverpool for fun like Roman, omo these ones are pure business men they are not there to throw monwty around

Villa will cost u like 20 mill PDS
Richards like 12-15 mill
Berbatov over 15 mill
Ramos i know madrid bought him 4 like 15 mill so u can guess how much they would sell him that is if they agree
mancini is not impossible and i think rafa tried to buy him in the summer don't know why the deal didnt go through

even mascherano common 17 mill we never get talkless of all these names u are calling, my huy lets be realistic when we dey talk all these things, and unless miracle happen i don't see how the names will be at Anfield this Jan

First of all, please don't address me as omo.

Secondly, the players I listed does not mean we'll buy them all. We may end up buying just Villa - which will do fine for me. If we sold Sisoko, Crouch, Riise, Kuyt and Voronin (all have suitors except the last two), plus CL money accrued thus far, plus any available money in the kitty, we sure can get a world class player in the January transfer window. It's not impossible.

I wasn't being unrealistic about these players coming in - which is the reason why I said "potential" players - it doesn't imply that we need them all at once.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by seabiotics(m): 7:55pm On Dec 28, 2007
bgees:

Liverpool fc looks quiet as d january transfer window approaches.What do u all think?
What positions do u think we should bolster.which players should go,which ones should we buy?

First of, players I think should go are as follows:

Voronin
Kuyt
Sisoko
Crouch

Potential players in are:

Villa
Richards
Ramos
Mancini
Berbatov

Above all, we need to strengthen big time in defence (CD, LB and RB), we also need a good left winger as well as two quality goal poachers, not strikers.
Politics / Re: Benazir Bhutto Former Pakistani Prime Minister Is Dead by seabiotics(m): 3:18pm On Dec 28, 2007
Quote from: lai-lai on Today at 12:20:40 AM
@kobojunkie
if u know the way USA weaves its magic wand, u won't hav a problem wondering how i could point the fingers at USA(though u could it point it out to me that USA was not involved in this case but they are sure capable), USA's actions seen from analytical point tend to prefer chaos and unstability in countries of interest just before they are about to get fully involved, in this case USA knew what was on ground and put their public backing on bhutto, they(USA) knew how unsafe it was in pakistan if she came back and did not urge or recommend average-level security for her talkless of them even providing security for someone they are actually meant to support.they knew she had no chance, its even a surprise she has survived this long. this is just what they calculated, there's bound to be chaos now in pakistan considering the size of her supporters, we'll see USA's reaction sooner or later



What are you saying here? With all due respect, your reasoning is convoluted and lacks any modicum of rational thought. The only way you can justifiably state the US bears some responsibility for her death (which should not be construed as the US playing a covert part) is that the US did not enforce stringent security arrangements for her, trusting Musharaf's government to do that instead.

What magic wand did the US weave that led to the death of Bhutto? The US saw her more as an ally of the West than Musharaf. And how could the US prefer chaos and instability in a region where they had a huge insterest?
Since 1954 to date, Pakistan has received $21b in aid alone from the US. In addition, Pakistan has about 70 nuclear weapons, similar to that of India. Added to this, Pakistan is embroiled in a war of attrition over the Kashmir border with India. The foreign policy of India suggests they have no intention of using theirs, whilst Pakistan have no such policy. There's also the on going war against terrorism that is engulfing the region with the West expected to bear the brunt of it all. And let's not forget the increasing global trade that is thriving in India.

In view of all this concrete and indisputable evidence, can you still harbour the harebrained idea that the "US prefer chaos and instability in countries of interest"?  shocked
Politics / Re: Benazir Bhutto Former Pakistani Prime Minister Is Dead by seabiotics(m): 12:46am On Dec 28, 2007
davidylan:

We know the cause of her death - she was killed by a suicide bomber and it is alleged that al qaeda has taken responsibility for the assassination. To pretend that this is not the handiwork of islamists is to play the ostrich. [color=#990000][/color]

Word.

lai-lai:

i guess USA even killed your dog. on a serious note, if you've been following the polical scene in pakistan, u would hav a perspective just like everyone, i would like to hear your perspective, that was mine

Then may I respectfully submit that your perspective is skewed. Yes, anyone can have a perspective on the turn of political events as it unfolds in any country. But there is a caveat: it has to be rational and based on objective idealism. In passing, any astute political analyst will refrain from remarking that the US is complicit in the death of Benazir Bhutto. (R.I.P)
Politics / Re: Was Colonialism Good For Africa? by seabiotics(m): 6:25pm On Dec 27, 2007
This is a rather interesting discourse. Was colonialism good for Africa? The answer is Yes and No. Arguably, the disadvantages of colonialism far outweigh the advantages. Is colonialism responsible for the plight of Africa today, I would say a resounding NO. The past is in the past.

Stay with me awhile. When a person hits you and you fall down. It is "down" to that person. But if you are still in that position (instead of getting up) bemoaning the fact that someone hit you, then it is down to you. Another analogy:when you fall down, you don't look back - you look in front of you. We need to forge ahead of time, instead of engaging in lost time that can never be recaptured.

Over 47 years is a long time since the whites left Nigeria and no one can convince me that the reason why we are progressively backward is because the whites came to colonise us. We are to blame for the innumerable plight that is besseting our social and economic polity.

Why don't we see the good in each other? Strive, envy, jealousy, coveteousness, is the bane of our existence. We pull each other down in our thoughts, passive or inert action/activity. Rather than act and progress as a cohesive entity, we seem to have immersed ourselves in this pseudo self centredness that borders on corruption, mismanagement, self aggrandisement and the adopted maxim of "every man for himself" - all of which has absolutely nothing to do with the advancement of our beleaguered polity. If anyone has raped our colony, it is our people and not the whites. What has the stashing of billions of pounds in foreign banks got to do with the whiteman? What has the non completion of contracts on important projects got to do with the whiteman? What has the mismanagement of oil got to do with colonialism? A nation that still sells crude oil for other countries to process for us only to resell to us at many times the original price is a country that still hasn't got its priorities right.

The truth is bitter but it is not unhealthy when swallowed. We can be our worst enemies if only we care to admit it. Do you want a stereotypical case study synonymous to the black race? Why do you think a basket full of black crabs are not covered? It's because none will escape. If one tries to, the others pull it back into the basket. Now, place a white crab inside the basket and see what happens.

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