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 Travel / Re: General Austria Study/visa( Process And Requirements) by kovy077(m): 4:27pm On Apr 13 |
Please have any applied and gotten admission from University of Salzburg a.ka. Paris Lodron University ? I submitted my application since the 9th of february and I received a feedback after two weeks that it has been received and decision would be decided by the admission office, for those who have gotten admission from them, do I have to hit them up asking what's keeping it long coming or just wait as its the normal process? |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by Antiislaam(m): 11:30am On Apr 13 |
TenQ: AntiChristian the chief slave of allah here on nairaland is no where to be found again |
| Religion / Re: Challenge to Christians: Is there any unambiguous scriptural Proof for trinity? by AbuTwins: 10:29am On Apr 13 |
FxMasterz: This discussion here is about trinity. And we still await anyone to give us Directs proofs for trinity in the Bible! You can create your thread on Kaaba as I did here and mentioned you! |
| Religion / Re: Challenge to Christians: Is there any unambiguous scriptural Proof for trinity? by FxMasterz: 9:11am On Apr 13 |
AbuTwins: I think you should focus on your internal credal debates in Islam. Right now, I'll like us to discuss where God is rather than who God is. Unprofitable debates about the Trinity with an unbeliever is useless. You discussing the ka'aba with Muslims is useless because the issue of the ka'aba is not doctrinal. While I'll discuss other issues freely with you regarding Christianity. It's not wise to discuss doctrinal issues with an antichristian personality. To what purpose? ka'aba issue is not a doctrinal issue. You should learn to differentiate doctrines from history! You'll see that your prayers for good IQ should be for yourself and not for me. Now, did Abraham found the ka'aba? Let's establish the truth here and dispell the lies. |
| Religion / Re: Challenge to Christians: Is there any unambiguous scriptural Proof for trinity? by AbuTwins: 6:44am On Apr 13 |
FxMasterz:I never said trinity is the only topic that generated credal debates. I wrote it in the facts and background what debates existed in Christianity among the church fathers, etc. However, the topic is of no use to you as a person. I'll discuss that with a fellow Christian who heretically opposes trinity.Is it not being myopic running away from your topic and wanting to jump to our own topic? Is this what your jesus and spirit thought you of fairness and justice? Let's talk about Abraham and the ka'aba. Do you have any evidence or proof that Abraham founded the ka'aba? This is complete nonsense. You prompted me to create a thread and then you shy away when the thread is created! I will also be discussing the Kaaba with Muslims too! We ask Allah to increase your IQ and guide you aright! |
| Religion / Re: Challenge to Christians: Is there any unambiguous scriptural Proof for trinity? by FxMasterz: 11:37pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Trinity isn't the only topic that generates credal debates you know? So, credal debates don't include doctrines. Of course, there are several scriptural supports for Trinity. However, the topic is of no use to you as a person. I'll discuss that with a fellow Christian who heretically opposes trinity. Let's talk about Abraham and the ka'aba. Do you have any evidence or proof that Abraham founded the ka'aba? |
| Politics / Re: Is This The "Broke" Reno Omokri That's Always Attacking Peter Obi - Photos by Modsarefools(f): 10:13pm On Apr 12 |
PointZerom: Reno omokri must have done 'Omo nile or agboro' work before, just like that useless Mc oluomo 🤣🤣🤣.. Idiots wey no get doings, they are always after Igbo's affairs because it gives them worldwide relevance, unto 'ka odikwa ka ana eme'. 😎.. 2 Likes
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| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by AbuTwins: 9:42pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: Why not? Start it personally and mention me! Don't send your oga o! |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 9:39pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Should we start a thread on how you'll prove that Abraham founded the ka'aba too? |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by AbuTwins: 8:35pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: Okay, we'll start a thread on trinity! How biblical is it! And another on the historicity of the Bible old testament and then new testament! What about Abraham and the Kaaba? |
| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 8:34pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz:Muslims and demons share the same religion 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 8:13pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Trinity is absolutely biblical. If men lost sound doctrines, God can guide them to find it again in His Words. Christianity is an individual thing. A personal walk with God. Yes, Martin Luther started the protestant revolution. That doesn't mean that there were no true Christians in the world even in his time. Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba? |
| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by FxMasterz: 8:10pm On Apr 12 |
advocatejare: Yahweh doesn't have a moon and star symbol. The worshippers don't bleed themselves for Him. He cannot be confined into a ka'aba. He is everywhere you face. You don't need to face mecca before you pray to Him. Indeed they're demon worshippers. And even more interesting is that some of these demons are Muslims. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by AbuTwins: 8:00pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: You didn't even mention the councils of nicea and Constantinople? What about Athanasius and Arius? What about the creed of Nicaea? The Constantinopolitan creed and others? The gathering where Jesus was fixed to be equal with the father and later holy spirit was joined in! Tell us the historicity in full as you can't do without the above named! Search more! |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 6:10pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Smiling. The historicity of the Bible is summarized like this: The Lord Jesus came as promised by the Father to present Himself as a lamb that takes away the sins of the world. After Jesus left, many wrote different accounts of what they knew about God's plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. Some wrote to make names for themselves, others wrote as they were moved by God to write, and some others were instructed by the disciples of Christ to write. Christianity was brutally fought against. Successive Roman empires sought to stamp out the church but they couldn't. These groups held neither guns nor swords but the Word of God continued to spread. The emperors of Rome killed many, including the disciples of Christ but the Word of God was not killable. Then came Constantine who through dishonesty wanted to make Christianity the religion of the state. God used him to lay the foundation for putting together the Bible as there's no one God cannot use. Before then, Christians were already using some 21 books as part of the New testament scriptures. Satan fought the light of the Gospel, and through Roman Catholicism, Christianity was corrupted. But God raised men like John Calvin and Martin Luther and several others who were mightily used of God to restore the light of the Gospel as we have it today. It's a pity that mohammed came in contact with the Bible during the dark ages when the satanic corruption was still at its peak, and only a few Christians really knew Jesus. It is still the same thing today. Fake pastors are very many but true pastors are few. Many Christians are mere church goers who do not know Jesus. The preservation of the Truth as we have it today is a great miracle that attests to the power of God made available through Christ Jesus. Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba?
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| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by AbuTwins: 5:45pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: Remove the planks in your face before you come here to remove mine! I have been telling you to discuss the historicity of your Bible since morning haven't you been running from pillar to post? You will keep hiding behind him your small oga god! Olodo Surutu Itquan 3:72 Ignoramus with the holy Spirit! 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 5:41pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Why is it that you Muslims become militant when one is pointing the truth to you? No one is fighting you or your religion. We're here to help you remove the scales of deception and enable you see things the way they are for the eternal benefit of your soul. I'm sure TenQ would respond accordingly. Would you talk to me about Abraham building the foundation of news ka'aba? Let's dissect this lie also. |
| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by FxMasterz: 5:38pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Can you prove that Abraham raised the foundation of the ka'aba? Abraham had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the ka'aba. That's another Islamic lies. Can you see from the attached screenshot that an ordinary Google search for Lord of the ka'aba brought forth Hubal?
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| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AbuTwins: 5:22pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: The Lord of the Kaaba when Abraham raised it foundation was Allah! The Lord of the Kaaba till now is Allah! You are still a liar! You and all your Christian guys including the website link! |
| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by FxMasterz: 5:16pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins: Did you see the attachments? Who was the Lord of the ka'aba before Islam, and who is the Lord of the ka'aba in Islam? Read this link below: https://answeringislamblog./2020/03/20/the-religion-of-islam-the-reemergence-of-baal-worship/ |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by Rashduct4luv(m): 5:16pm On Apr 12 |
TenQ: From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put Question Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together? Answer Praise be to Allaah. Firstly: Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [al-Hijr 15:9] Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8: Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance. Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696): It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded. “and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them. The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages” [al-Isra’ 17:106] Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood. “in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein. “And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years. Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760. Secondly: Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning): “He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves” [al-Jumu’ah 63:2] They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like. Thirdly: At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away. Fourthly: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all. Fifthly: The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence. Sixthly: The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning): "Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah). Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion. Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you." Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah. 'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.” Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [al-Hijr 15:9] And Allaah knows best. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by TenQ: 4:45pm On Apr 12 |
AbuTwins:I gave you enough Evidences from your hadiths except your claim is that the Hadiths are Maudu (fabricated) or Daif (weak) Again: What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time? Let it be known that four men from the Ansars memorised (collected) the complete Quran during the lifetime of Mohammed and taught others Sahih al-Bukhari 3758 Narrated Masruq: `Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr. The latter said, "That is a man I continue to love because I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, ' Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Ubai bin ka`b, and Mu`adh bin Jabal." I do not remember whether he mentioned Ubai first or Mu`adh. The Quran of Abubakar and Hafsa 1. The fear of permanently losing verses due to muslims fighting wars is said to have motivated the initial collection of the Qur'an under Caliph Abu Bakr. Sahih al-Bukhari 4986 Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar. 2. Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar. 3. The third caliph Uthman was concerned because there were clear differences in the recitation of the Qur'an among the people. The differences were so great Uthman and his companions feared future dispute about the true Qur'an and its contents. So Uthman asked Hafsa for her copy so that a committee could write a single version of the Quran Hafsas Quran was either not complete or it was edited and not just copied as can be observed in the hadith of Bukhari below Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4987 Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Sahih al-Bukhari 4988 Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) Questions: 1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time? 2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job? 3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different? 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| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AbuTwins: 4:34pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: This is why i sent you the hadiths where all the idols were destroyed! Read and don't be ignorant! AbuTwins: |
| Religion / Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AbuTwins: 4:14pm On Apr 12 |
FxMasterz: Anyone can put up anything in the link! I can prove to you from your Bible that the same theos used for logos in John 1:1 is the same theos used for Satan in 2 Cor 4:4. This doesn't involve any external link. Just your Bible! Give me where Hubal is Allah in any Authentic Islamic text! You will lie and call other liars illogically! True Illah is "whatever people worship" in Arabic but Allah is the only Illah that is worthy of worship! The evidence of sharee’ah indicates that it is obligatory to destroy idols Hubal, Manat, Uzza, etc, for example: 1 – Muslim (969) narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’” 2 – Muslim (832) narrated from ‘Urwah ibn ‘Abasah that he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “With what were you sent?” He said, “I was sent to uphold the ties of kinship, to break the idols, and so that Allaah would be worshipped alone with no partner or associate.” The obligation to destroy them is even stronger if they are worshipped instead of Allaah. 3 – al-Bukhaari (3020) and Muslim (2476) narrated that Jareer ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Bajali said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me: “O Jareer, will you not relieve me of Dhu’l-Khalsah?” That was a house (in Yemen) belonging to the (tribe of) Khath’am, which was called ka’bat al-Yamaaniyyah. I set out with one hundred and fifty horsemen. I used not to sit firm on horses and I mentioned that to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He struck me on my chest with his hand and said, 'O Allaah! Make him firm and make him one who guides others and is guided on the right path.' " So Jareer went and burned it with fire, then Jareer sent a man called Abu Artaat to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “I did not come to you until we had left it like a scabby camel.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) blessed the horses of (the tribe of) Ahmas and their men five times. Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said: This hadeeth indicates that it is prescribed to remove things that may tempt or confuse the people, whether they are buildings, people, animals or inanimate objects. 4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent Khaalid ibn al-Waleed (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy al-‘Uzza. 5 – and he sent Sa’d ibn Zayd al-Ashhali (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy Manaat. 6 – And he sent ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy Suwaa’. All of that happened after the Conquest of Makkah. Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah, 4/712. 776. 5/83; al-Seerah al-Nabawiyyah by Dr. ‘Ali al-Salaabi, 2/1186. |
| Culture / Re: Olubadan-in-council Certifies Olakulehin Fit To Ascend Throne by FreeStuffsNG: 3:47pm On Apr 12 |
Lobatan. Number 3 can not become No. 1 in Yorubaland o. Agbódó! Lailai! ka ma ri. The rest is mere formality, this is the biggest hurdle for him to cross. Congratulations Olubadan-designate Kabiyesi Olakulehin. God bless Ibadanland and may God bless Nigeria for ever! Check my signature for free stuffs! 1 Like |
| Health / Re: Lagos Gov’t Yet To Fix The Elevator That Killed Doctor In General Hospital by CaveAdullam: 10:09am On Apr 12 |
pansophist: Loooooooool "Stray bullet don hit me this morning". " Chief na you do this one o" Looool. "Well Sha I don dey think methods and ways to take run comot o" "Nor be me ka ka for Nigeria" I will see the best I can do, and leave the rest for those behind. After all, I'm not the one that destroyed Africa. I'm just an unfortunate native of the continent. Deep sigh. 4 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Three Sons Of Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh Killed By IDF Strike(photos) by Krismas(m): 10:01am On Apr 12 |
Onyedikachi231:  Long boring horrible lies from the mouth of a delusional Zionist propagandist All your attempts to turn Palestinians into Arabs fails miserably. Palestinians are Hebrew, not Arabs. Arabs are mainly nations living in the Arabian peninsula. and Palestine is not one of them. 1. go and look at the list of countries that fought Israel in 1948 war, is the state of Palestine one of them? NO 2. go and look at countries that colonized Palestine. you will find among them turkey, Egypt and Jordan. Arabs also colonized Palestine 3, Arabs and Israel are both 5 and 6 in oppression to the Palestinians 4. Arabs and israel must both get out of palestine. palestine is for palestinians. not Jews or Arabs 5. jews are not genetically hebrew. they are colonial settlers from europe. they have no part or lot in jerusalem. which tribe is the prime minister of israel from? 6. let jews return back to germany where they came from. and leave palestine alone. |
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| Foreign Affairs / Re: Three Sons Of Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh Killed By IDF Strike(photos) by Onyedikachi231: 5:49am On Apr 12 |
Krismas: Before the Zionists came... SO IT IS NOW CLEAR THE ZIONIST JEWS ACTUALLY SAVED THE LIVES OF JEWS. That is history not telegram as you lied. What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” in 1517, when they murdered Jews in Safed and Hebron? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” when they murdered Jews and burned Safed down in the Safed Massacre of 1660? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” in 1834, when they murdered Jews in Safed and Hebron? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” in 1837, when they murdered Jews in Safed and Hebron? What “resisting” in 1920, when they murdered Jews in Jerusalem (Nebi Musa Riot)? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” in 1921, when they murdered Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Tiberias, Safed and Hebron? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” in 1929, when they murdered Jews in Safed and Hebron? What were the Arabs in Palestine “resisting” between 1936 and 1939, when they murdered Jews all over the Mandate for Palestine? Massacring Jews in Palestine is a time-honored hobby for Palestinian Arabs, going back centuries. spread throughout the world. Meanwhile, we must work together to prepare for a better future. ******************************************** MUSLIMS MUST RECOGNIZE JEWISH SOVEREIGNTY OVER JERUSALEM From an Islamic point of view, is there any fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing Jerusalem both as an Islamic Holy Place and as the capital of the State of Israel? I realize that a negative answer to the above question is taken for granted by popular opinion. My approach, however, is not based on popular opinion or the current political situation, but on a theological analysis of authentic Islamic sources. JERUSALEM IN THE QUR'AN The most common argument against Muslim acknowledgment of Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem is that, since al-Quds [Jerusalem] (4) is a Holy Place for Muslims, Muslims cannot accept that it is ruled by non-Muslims, because such acceptance amounts to a betrayal of Islam. Before expressing our point of view on this question, we must reflect upon the reason for which Jerusalem and Masjid al-Aqsa [the Al Aksa mosque] hold such a sacred position in Islamic faith. As is well known, the inclusion of Jerusalem among Islamic holy places derives from al-Mi'raj, the Ascension of the Prophet Muhammed to heaven. The Ascension began at the Rock, usually identified by Muslim scholars as the Foundation Stone of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem referred to in Jewish sources. Recalling this link requires us to admit that there is no connection between al-Miraj [the Ascension] and Muslim sovereign rights over Jerusalem since, in the time that al-Miraj took place, the City was not under Islamic, but under Byzantine administration. Moreover, the Qur'an expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays for Jews the same role that Mecca does for Muslims. We read: "...They would not follow thy direction of prayer (qiblah), nor art thou to follow their direction of prayer; nor indeed will they follow each other's direction of prayer..." (5) All Qur'anic commentators explain that "thy qiblah" [direction of prayer for Muslims] is clearly the ka'bah of Mecca, while "their qiblah" [direction of prayer for Jews] refers to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. To quote only one of the most important Muslim commentators, we read in Qadn Baydawn's Commentary: "Verily, in their prayers Jews orientate themselves toward the Rock (sakhrah), while Christians orientate themselves eastwards..." (6) In complete opposition to what "Islamic" fundamentalists continuously claim, the Book of Islam [the Qur'an] - as we have just now seen - recognizes Jerusalem as the Jewish direction of prayer. Some Muslim commentators also quote the Book of Daniel (7) as a proof for this. After reviewing the relevant Qur'anic passages concerning this matter, I conclude that, as no one denies Muslims complete sovereignty over Mecca, from an Islamic point of view - despite opposing, groundless claims - there is no reason for Muslims to deny the State of Israel - which is a JEWISH state - complete sovereignty over Jerusalem. ************************************ |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Three Sons Of Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh Killed By IDF Strike(photos) by Onyedikachi231: 5:47am On Apr 12 |
Empiree: WHAT ARE ARABS LOOKING FOR IN JERUSALEM? DOES IT MEAN THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR KORAN SERIOUS? Their answers will tell. spread throughout the world. Meanwhile, we must work together to prepare for a better future. ******************************************** MUSLIMS MUST RECOGNIZE JEWISH SOVEREIGNTY OVER JERUSALEM From an Islamic point of view, is there any fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing Jerusalem both as an Islamic Holy Place and as the capital of the State of Israel? I realize that a negative answer to the above question is taken for granted by popular opinion. My approach, however, is not based on popular opinion or the current political situation, but on a theological analysis of authentic Islamic sources. JERUSALEM IN THE QUR'AN The most common argument against Muslim acknowledgment of Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem is that, since al-Quds [Jerusalem] (4) is a Holy Place for Muslims, Muslims cannot accept that it is ruled by non-Muslims, because such acceptance amounts to a betrayal of Islam. Before expressing our point of view on this question, we must reflect upon the reason for which Jerusalem and Masjid al-Aqsa [the Al Aksa mosque] hold such a sacred position in Islamic faith. As is well known, the inclusion of Jerusalem among Islamic holy places derives from al-Mi'raj, the Ascension of the Prophet Muhammed to heaven. The Ascension began at the Rock, usually identified by Muslim scholars as the Foundation Stone of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem referred to in Jewish sources. Recalling this link requires us to admit that there is no connection between al-Miraj [the Ascension] and Muslim sovereign rights over Jerusalem since, in the time that al-Miraj took place, the City was not under Islamic, but under Byzantine administration. Moreover, the Qur'an expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays for Jews the same role that Mecca does for Muslims. We read: "...They would not follow thy direction of prayer (qiblah), nor art thou to follow their direction of prayer; nor indeed will they follow each other's direction of prayer..." (5) All Qur'anic commentators explain that "thy qiblah" [direction of prayer for Muslims] is clearly the ka'bah of Mecca, while "their qiblah" [direction of prayer for Jews] refers to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. To quote only one of the most important Muslim commentators, we read in Qadn Baydawn's Commentary: "Verily, in their prayers Jews orientate themselves toward the Rock (sakhrah), while Christians orientate themselves eastwards..." (6) In complete opposition to what "Islamic" fundamentalists continuously claim, the Book of Islam [the Qur'an] - as we have just now seen - recognizes Jerusalem as the Jewish direction of prayer. Some Muslim commentators also quote the Book of Daniel (7) as a proof for this. After reviewing the relevant Qur'anic passages concerning this matter, I conclude that, as no one denies Muslims complete sovereignty over Mecca, from an Islamic point of view - despite opposing, groundless claims - there is no reason for Muslims to deny the State of Israel - which is a JEWISH state - complete sovereignty over Jerusalem. ************************************ Sir, oya start lying again. In case yo want to see who they are refering to.. Before your European jews came....
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| Religion / What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by TenQ: 1:47am On Apr 12 |
What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time? Let it be known that four men from the Ansars memorised (collected) the complete Quran during the lifetime of Mohammed and taught others Sahih al-Bukhari 3758 Narrated Masruq: `Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr. The latter said, "That is a man I continue to love because I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, ' Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Ubai bin ka`b, and Mu`adh bin Jabal." I do not remember whether he mentioned Ubai first or Mu`adh. The Quran of Abubakar and Hafsa 1. The fear of permanently losing verses due to muslims fighting wars is said to have motivated the initial collection of the Qur'an under Caliph Abu Bakr. Sahih al-Bukhari 4986 Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar. 2. Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar. 3. The third caliph Uthman was concerned because there were clear differences in the recitation of the Qur'an among the people. The differences were so great Uthman and his companions feared future dispute about the true Qur'an and its contents. So Uthman asked Hafsa for her copy so that a committee could write a single version of the Quran Hafsas Quran was either not complete or it was edited and not just copied as can be observed in the hadith of Bukhari below Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4987 Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Sahih al-Bukhari 4988 Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) Questions: 1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time? 2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job? 3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different? 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