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 Religion / Before Daddy Freeze There Was Babyosisi by babeosisi: 1:41pm On Jun 12, 2018 |
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| Religion / Re: A Greater Evil Than The Tithe Scam ! by WinsomeX: 3:25pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
babyosisi: Flesh and blood could not reveal this to you but the Father... |
| Religion / Re: A Greater Evil Than The Tithe Scam ! by Nobody: 7:15pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
babyosisi:Will ''share'' this. I want   |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by nora544: 6:06pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
babyosisi: I know it from my church here in europa that the church make something for their followers like you write it but not so much. |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
babyosisi:Abraham was never recorded to have tithed after that singular one. As you said he had cattle and sheep but gave one of things plundered from a war as you already know. Jacob was recorded to have made a vow to give a tenth of all he had if God heard his prayer and delivered him.But the Bible never revorded where Jacob fulfilled this vow. I have told this fellow all this previously. Apparently he is dead set on repeating the lie that tithing predated the law hoping that it will become truth by some means. I have told him to copy Abrahams examples of fornication. His response is that nobody is perfect. Yet we Christian s have a perfect living example in Jesus but fella would rather justify Abraham being the real reason why Christianity exists even going as far as saying that there would be no Christianity without Abraham and that Abraham was before Christ. I think you should save your energy srguimg with this fellow. Someone who is prepared to twist the facts as regards the very essence of what he believes in will easily and gladly twist scripture in defence of tithe. You have done an excellent job in deconstructing and demobilising his argument probably better than anyone so far;and any ready with s clear discerning mind would see the real truth of the matter. Bless you. |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by Nobody: 4:31pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
babyosisi:You just nailed the money-can-be-paid-as-tithe argument. I thank you. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 9:52pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: the bolded. The one time Jesus spoke about the tithe, He ENDORSED IT. He never CONDEMNED their tithing. Never! qoute matth23:23. Girl,you're sly!. How dyu read Matth23:23 and come up with such an interpretation? The bible says you should not only study but rightly divide the word of truth! Many people hav studied d word but only to come up with heretical doctrines tht have mislead many. Just like your interpretation of matth23:23 and your side stepping of Heb7:8 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 9:34pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: I'm not calling you names,though i'm being forthright. The anti-tithe crowd claim to b motivated by the bible, yet from your responses here it's apparent you guyz are clearly interpreting the scripture wrongly. Here are d popular points: 1.) the tithe is under d law and d law is done away with. Question: wen was the era of the law? Wen did it begin? Question: if something occured bf d law was given , how can tht b logically established as being under the law? Question: Do you practice/believe in child dedication, things dedication? Thtat's so OT. 2) There's no mention of tithe in the NT Question: what about matth23:23 and Heb7? 3) have you seen any verse from the epistles on tithe? Question: Does an affirmative reply to this question make the conclusion correct? 3.) Jesus didnt receive tithe in the NT Question: wat was Jesus Mission on earth? How was He operating on earth? 4) the NT talks about sowing and giving gladly. That's all? Question: was the tithe ever the same as an offering? Is the tithe ever regarded as a seed? 5) pastors embezzle the tithe so i'm not paying Question: will God buy tht excuse from you? Is your pastor accountable to you for how he uses God's resources? Who are you tithing to-God or Man? Under scriptural and logical scrutiny ur arguments crumble. Yet anti tithers still cling on to it. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by Lilimax(f): 9:15pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi:I had done several research on tithing especially when I newly gave my life to Christ. Having been raised a Catholic, I was not used to tithing hence the need to know more? From my research, I concluded that tithing is btw me and God. Till date, my obedience to tithing does wonders to me. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by Lilimax(f): 8:58pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi:Giving and tithing are spiritual excercise that Christians should practice and both have their different blessings. Give and it shall be given unto you.... ; Pay your tithe and God will rebuke the devourers for your sake. The two spiritual principles cannot replace each other. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by Lilimax(f): 8:08pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi:Sister me, tithing may not have been explained extensively in the new testament but it works! No one can decieve me regarding spiritual things God helping me. tithing worksfor me and anytime I fail to pay my tithe, I'll struggle financially.  |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 7:44pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: first, wen it favours u, you dont talk about it being under the law and done away with but if it has to do with parting with your money and not keeping it - you scurry to dismiss it as OT and done away with. You were excited because your natural inclination to not give was sated! This underscores all i've been saying all along- you are wrongly motivated. I've read it. But how does tht balance with malachi where it says bring it into God's storehouse, Abraham giving to Melchizedech, Jacob tithing , tithing of their aniseed and cummin (not eating it). The point i am making,is a rule for interpreting scripture, if theyre many scriptures on an issue you consider the issue in d light of all the scriptures on it ,not just one. You can clearly see tht if eating d tithe was the injunction, the storehouse would b hopelessly empty and God would b wrong to accuse His people of robbing Him. There's a verse in d bible tht says tht God sent a lying spirit to a king! Does tht mean God uses lies or works in conjunction with the devil? No! "precept upon precept. .. Line upon line " that's how the word is interpreted. You already see by the scriptures tht tithe is paid to God thru a High priest. Pastors dont preach about tht verse because 1) they may not understand it. It is evidently contradictory of other verses. So the slide by it. If/wen they have more light/understanding about it , they'll preach on it. 2. Obvious fear. If they preach on it church income will plummet, they fear. But like i said the presence of one verse doesnt negate the other verses on it. |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by PastorKun(m): 7:27pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: It was this very same deut 14 that opened up my eyes to the fact that church tithing today is a fraud. I first came across the scripture about 12 years ago whilst doing my devotional. I was shoc0ked, lost for words and literally confused as it contradicted everything I had ever been taught about tithes in churches. It then prompted me to start asking questions and studying the scriptures better on the subject matter. With further studies I was able to conclude with any iota of doubt that the tithe doctrine preached in churches today is a monumental fraud from the darkest pits of hell. That aside not one single tithe preacher I sought for explanation was able to give a single reasonable explanation for the inconsistencies in church tithe preaching and the bible's position. I had to conclude that they were preaching the error based on greed and c0onvinient ignorance. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 7:17pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: after you show me how many people got born again and filled with the Spirit in Jesus earthly ministry. What about matth 23v23? That's also Jesus saying tithing was right? You are confused . Was Jesus operating as God or Man on earth? Were the Jews not performng their religious duties because Jesus was on earth? First,your reply shows you really dont understand the plan and operations of the covenants. Yet ur argue strongly usng a poor foundation. Jesus never condemned tithing, neither was it an issue in the early church. I could,conjecture why, but without scriptures. The heresies in d early church were about circumsion and the resurrection of the dead but not tithing or offering. If it was an issue it would have been addressed. You dont understand Jesus ministry while on earth or you wouldnt ask some questions you ask. If you want to debate an issue, be self respecting and not try to twist or distort or inject somethng the other party said. since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth where did i say the above? You just want to put words in my mouth. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by PastorKun(m): 7:00pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: My dear, there is no point debating with this character called asalimpo, I have long concluded that he is another charlatan tithe collecting fraudster who go to any length to protect his filthy lucre. It's just a waste of time debating him cause his very being stands against the truth. |
| Religion / Re: A Greater Evil Than The Tithe Scam ! by nora544: 6:32pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
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| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 6:05pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: how does your question affect what Hebrews 7v8 says? If you cant argue logically sign of ,stop throwing silly childish smokescreens. Hebrews is an NT chapter on tithe why a chapter on tithing in the NT if its irrelevant,considering d value of space in the highly abridged bible. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 5:59pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi:would b eligible to invite God into your affairs if you arent already a member of his kingdom? Stop being shallow and naive. I said "at a deeper level". Look at the post i made above this and see how ur unscriptural position holds up. |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 5:51pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: i see here tht most church people hav very lil education on d foundations of their faith. How would Jesus receive tithe wen on earth He was operating as a Sustitute? Were people praying in Jesus Name? After His resurrection , He ascended up to Heaven and operates as a Mediator of the new covenant and our Great High Priest. Abraham tithed to a High Priest, the jews tithed to a human mortal priest but the New Testament believer tithes to his Great High Priest , Jesus Christ! Again, Hebrews 7 says this. v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die (who are this people? The levites . A tribe of priests) ; but in the other case by him who is declared to be living (who is this One declared to living? Jesus Christ. Jesus collects tithe today!) |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 5:27pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: u shud b more concerned about living in error thinkg ur livng in truth. The substance tithed is irrelevant. Jacob tithed, abraham tithed was abraham under the law? No. The law was given to Moses not Abraham. That destroys so many arguments if you still insist so you're deliberately choosing deception. Abraham,is the Father of faith,an exampler to us all, his tithing was done in faith. Now, under the law the practice of tithing was explicitly COMMANDED but it didnt ORIGINATE with the law. Lastly, the book of Hebrews 7 states specifically tht one of Jesus present ministry is to RECEIVE the tithe. Y is this so if tithing is done away with? The other arguments are simply smoke screens. Abraham,didnt tithe but in his day to day life he didnt meet any High priest, he related directly with God. But wen he met one at salem he handed tithe in faith and the High priest Blessed him. tithing invites the blessing upon the tither, because of this blessing the Devourer and waster is rebuked. So tithing, is for the benefit of the tither not for their defraudment. In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs. Abraham, dedicated Isaac to God by an attempted act of sacrifice. Abraham was human. That action ,legally invited God into human affairs. If abraham refused to give his only begotten Son, God wud hav had no legal right to give Jesus. Just think of it. Abraham "tithed" Isaac, though he didnt have ten Children. Wen cities were captured by isreal, theyd dedicate one to God in some cases by either completely razing it down or placing its precious vessels in The temple. After d dedication, isreal could then take and plunder the rest of the city for themselves. Wen God created d world He reserved a day for Himself. Wen God created the trees in Eden,He reserved one for Himself. Wen God created the nations He reserved isreal for Himself. The thing dedicated for God is used only for God's work. E.g, the sabbath day was to b used for none secular work. tithing operates under similar principle. It's solely for God's work. It is God's stake in ones finances and gives God legal grounds to prevent the devourer accessing ones finances. tithing isnt sowing. Sowing is plantg seeds and you reap proportionally to ur sowing but while the seeds are growing they are open to d devourer waster . Tithng invites God in to sanctify d rest. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 4:29pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
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| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 4:29pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: first, giving isnt new covenant or even oT. Neither is d law of sowing and reaping. tithing is d honour of God, giving Him a portion to sanctify the rest. The patraichs did it instinctively. It is honorifc. On the other hand the law of sowing and reaping was enacted at the creation of man, when God said as far the earth remains sowing and reaping wouldnt cease. Is tht under the Law? No. Is it NT, no. So y dyu practice it? Jesus commended tithing in matth 23 v23. Is dedication of children,and things (houses cars etc ) obsolete? But its so OT? Y then dyu and anti tithers practice it? It's not in the NT. For tithing in the NT, see the book of Hebrews 7. Under the law, tithe was given to the levites. A tribe of priests who ministered full time. But tht wasnt the origin of tithing. It predated d law. The book on Hebrews talks about this. Men gave tithe to human priests who were subject to death but NOW under the NT Christians tithe to our Great High Priest , Jesus Christ! If you can't decipher this in the Hebrew 7, you're living in denial. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 4:12pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: if tithing is under the law, then there's nowhere it wud appear before bf d law was given. But this isnt d case. Bf d law there was no commandnent not to kill, not to commit adultery. Etc (by d way are u in bondage obeying this moral injunctions? Is it okay to make graven images in the new covenant? ) but there's no way you go thru d bible and find tithe originating within d law. You're twisting scriptures as usual. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: Anti-tithe Arguments are Motivated By Selfishness And Ignorance by asalimpo(m): 12:53pm On Dec 01, 2014 |
babyosisi: how does ur verse negate tithing? That verse is about sowing with the implying that the sower can hold back or refuse to "sow". It explicitly shows this is voluntary and variable outflow by the giver. But the tithe is a fixed amount, you dont "sow" it. The word Jesus used in matth 23v23 is "pay" inmplying tht is an obligatory payment. Two, in the OT, in malachi, God distinguish the two kind of outflows by calling one an "offering" and the other a "tithe". He doesnt lump both together as one. You are applying a verse on offering to tithe. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by TV01(m): 4:52pm On Apr 13, 2007 |
ricadelide: You can pronounce till the cows come home, the cock crows or pigs fly! babyosisi: Or till you're blue in the face! tithing is law-bound, Christ-denying, faith-void, religiously perverse, thrice-redundant, ritualistic codswallop (there's no arguing with that  !)Contending for the faith. God bless |
| Religion / Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by TV01(m): 1:01pm On Mar 30, 2007 |
Tayo! Tayo!! Tayo!!! Ah ah You have to understand something about jacob at this point. He wasn't following in the footsteps of his father. He was a supplanter who has being selfish all his life. In this scenario, he had come to the end of himself and turned to God as a matter of desperation. Ok! He wanted to prosper by all means and knew from his father Isaac, who would have learned form his father Abraham that giving yourself over to God is incomplete without giving your living as well. He was entering into the same covenant that Abraham had, and he realised that the tithe is a necessary part of it. TayoD, you are in danger of descending into pure whimsy. There is no mention or reference to anything that went before, Abraham or any other. It was a very personal thing. What you are doing is at once both worrying and dangerous. What covenant did Abraham cut with God (vice-versa, pardon me), that incorporated an element of tithe? Abraham's covenant with God was cut (excuse the pun ) with circumcision.Jacob referenced neither his father or his grandfather, codified law or pre-existing tradition. tithing was extant before Abrahams time. It was paid to the most senior chieftain or priest. Jacobs vow was acknowledging Gods sovreignty and seeking provision and protection. Please notice that he promised God a tegth of ALL that God gives to him i.e. a tithe of ALL his increase. Doing that is an eloquent testimony to the fact that he acknowledges God as the one who provides and the primary possessor. Whatever the case may be, that doesn't support your preceeding premise. Don't get hooked on the spoils of war you are talking about. babyosisi also said same. As long as she hasn;t won any war, she wouldn't tithe like Abraham. The war booty represents an increase for Abraham and that is why he tithed. This is understood by Melchizedek's proclamation about God being the primary possessor even though Abraham can lay claim to being the possessor of that bounty. An increase over and above what? Whatever you decide the "what" to be, Abraham never tithed on it. Which has been my point up until now. I am of the opinion that the Isrealites would have paid tithe even if the law never commanded it. Jacob their father learnt to pay tithe from Abraham and he would have taught the same things to his children. See Genesis 18:19 - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. As you may have noticed, Abraham received the blessing after the payment of tithe. You are entitled to your opinions, as we all are. But your "Jacob learnt to pay tithe from Abraham" premise is tenuous at best. Kindly stop conveniently overlooking Isaac to force-fit this baseless assumption. Abraham was blessed of God way before the Melchizedek incident (Chapter 12 vs 14). Your scurrillous suppositions would lend credence to the notion that Isaac was not party to the covenant as he has no biblical tithing record. please stop trying to hinge the covenant on the tithe. How can you say it is not Abraham's property? When last did you give away things that don't belong to you? What you do with your 9/10th is your problem. You can sow it, you can eat it or you can give it away - the choice is yours. This speaks volumes about the faulty understanding of NT Christianity that proponents of mandatory tithing labour under. It's why the tithe is the joy of the self-righteous religionist. Everything a Christian has is God's. What are you thinking? Abraham was willing to give his son! Forget gold and silver for a minute. That is, everything he had, all he held dear. The whole Melchizedek incident/type, was to show the eternal nature of the Lords High Priesthood and it's superiority over the Aaronic/Levitical type. I don't personally think Melchizedek was priest of a foreign God. The notion that by tithing one is ratifying a covenant with God is simply not supported by scripture. God bless |
| Religion / Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by TayoD(m): 6:47pm On Mar 29, 2007 |
@trini_girl, Gen. 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace--then shall the LORD be my God, 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house; and of all that you shall give me, I will surely give the tenth to you. You have to understand something about jacob at this point. He wasn't following in the footsteps of his father. He was a supplanter who has being selfish all his life. In this scenario, he had come to the end of himself and turned to God as a matter of desperation. He wanted to prosper by all means and knew from his father Isaac, who would have learned form his father Abraham that giving yourself over to God is incomplete without giving your living as well. He was entering into the same covenant that Abraham had, and he realised that the tithe is a necessary part of it. Please notice that he promised God a tegth of ALL that God gives to him i.e. a tithe of ALL his increase. Doing that is an eloquent testimony to the fact that he acknowledges God as the one who provides and the primary possessor. Don't get hooked on the spoils of war you are talking about. babyosisi also said same. As long as she hasn;t won any war, she wouldn't tithe like Abraham. The war booty represents an increase for Abraham and that is why he tithed. This is understood by Melchizedek's proclamation about God being the primary possessor even though Abraham can lay claim to being the possessor of that bounty. |
| Religion / Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by trinigirl1(f): 11:20am On Mar 24, 2007 |
TayoD: @tayoD Disproved ke? In your mind. So because I choose not to partake in your theological back and forth on this matter you think you have disproved the truth by dead letter reasoning. Don't mistake my silence for your victory.  If your revelation was divine my friend, it would certainly have showed you that according to Hebrews 7, we have a glorious new covenant for whosover will accept, so that we no longer have to live according to the law as the PHARISEES mentioned in the new testament were still doing. They had not accepted Jesus Christ as the messiah, and obviously the status quo before his resurrection would have been to continue following the law, including the practice of tithing. What did Paul say about the law? In Romans 7 he did not condemn the law, but gave credence to it, because without it, he would not have known what sin is. However, there is a better way. Romans 7, one of my favourite passages from Paul. It says "Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful naturethe sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. " Thank God we are no longer under the bondage of the written code! He continues:- "What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. , We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. , I agree that the law is good. " Paul was saying that the law was good ONLY because it made him aware of his sinful "wretched" nature, which made him feel condemned. However, he goes on to say:- "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. " Therefore, tayoD, we live by the law of the Spirit and not the law of the flesh that only brings condemnation. For example, people who feel GUILTY if they don't TITHE 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Paying Tithes Or Giving To The Needy? by TayoD(m): 9:35pm On Mar 23, 2007 |
@babyosisi, trinigirl this is one I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have no qualms about this. The tithes were agricultural products,animal rearers were not expected to tithe. You are looking at the tithe as practiced under the law of Moses. the trick is to consider how it was done before the law of Moses came into effect. When was the last time anyone participated in consuming their tithes? Don't we do that eac time we are in church and are fed by the word of God through mediums and materials paid for by our tithes? Abraham gave tithes of the spoils of war,I am yet to conquer any wars!! Abraham gave of his increase. Jacob his son, learning from his father also paid tithes of ALL his increase. Wasn't Jacob a Shepherd? Genesis 28:22 - And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. Please brethren don't let anyone intimidate you and tell you a curse is upon you when you don't tithe. So was God intimidating those He said are cursed if they stole what belongs to Him - the tithe? It is not so! I disagree. |
| Religion / Re: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by TayoD(m): 2:05pm On Oct 11, 2006 |
@winteric, There are also some pertinent verses in other Epistles, and the message of Scripture to Christians is that because of the finished work of Jesus Christ, we do not live under the Mosaic Law, during which tithing was instituted and commanded as part of the Law. Therefore, tithing as a commandment of God has no relevance to believers today. You just don't get it do you? tithing predates the law. It was brought into the law to keep alive a practice of faith that we first witnessed in the father of faith - Abraham. Abraham wasn't under the law but knew he should pay his tithe once he saw a priest - melchizedek. I chose to rest on this topic since babyosisi made an excellent input, but it seems some will not just let it rest. Please note that I never insulted anyone on this thread. The one who first came on board with sarcasm was Hnd_holder, whom I have discovered from other threads as well isn't so much bothered with what the Bible says, but would rather go by tradition. Then you came on board with a total declaration of war against my person for choosing to stand in opposition to others with respect to the payment of tithe. Anyway, since you are the one who declared war, I am glad you have also chosen to end this one-sided assault. By the way, I am not a Pastor and I do not have a calling into any of the five-fold ministry. I am one who believes in the Bible and tries with the strength of God's Spirit in me to live by faith founded on the scriptures. There is nothing I have said here that I do not practice, and I have being immensely blessed through it. Much of what I have shared are not things I learnt from anyone, but what I have come to understand form my personal study. I do not disregard other's points, but I just feel that they have been narrow minded. I am aware of all they say and have learnt from their inputs, but it still does not annul the revelation about tithing. That is my take. |
| Religion / Re: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by TayoD(m): 9:19pm On Aug 21, 2006 |
@babyosisi, Good to hear from you again. I thought you were really so pissed of with me that you have chosen to stay of this topic. I hope you were able to read my apologies to you earlier anyway. This tithing issue does not give room to love any body less than we would have done if they stand on same or opposite sides of the argument. But nevertheless, my heart is beating with love for you right back. Addressing your concern, our prayers at the end of it all is that God may open the eyes of every man's understanding. I truely believe in tithing as much as I believe in Love. Both were encouraged under the law but not subject to it. My problem with the neglect of the scriptures that talks about the gifts and sacrifices stems from that fact that I do not believe that there are any idle words in the Bible. The statement means something, and while some have disagreed with my conclusions, no one has been able to provide a better one. If a better understanding comes to me, then I can be rest assured that I have not let any of God's Word falls to the ground by obeying it to the best of His ability within me. |
| Religion / Re: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by TV01(m): 10:28pm On Aug 19, 2006 |
Hi TayoD, Reference your quote below; TayoD: It's a lie! 1. The scriptures is not stinting in it's description of Abrahams wealth. His herds, his flocks, his male and female servants, but nowhere is he ever noted as tithing on his own possessions or increase. 2. The tithe when it was in effect was given to the priest, who in turn passed a tithe of the tithe to the high priest. How many times must we repeat that there was no divine ordinance behind Abraham's one time act of tribute of the spoils of war to Melchizedek. TayoD: I believe babyosisi was referring to the fact that there where actually different kinds and amounts of tithe, given at differnt times over a three year cycle and approximated to around 23%. TayoD: TayoD, in a sense I conceede your point, but only in as much as it's a mute one. I believe over the course of our discussion o this particular point, we have extensively discussed on priesthood, with particular reference to the completenessof the one time offering of the Lord.We have also touched on the various aspects of the priests mediatory role. Your position is founded on a totally baseless (scripturally or grammatically) assumption of gifts=tithe. I have repeatedly asked you to reference this, and to date you have failed/refused to do so. An erroneous doctrine, based on a groundless assumption, predicated on erroneous interpretation. But I'm pleased you asked about the reality of the tithe in the NT. My prayer is that one day you will realise that a NT Christian should understand the "everything you have you recieved" the impoverished thinking that harps on about a tithe, is at best regressive. We are but stewards of what is God's anyway. It's both religious and miserly to boast about giving "the best 10%" to God, it's all His. Even true lovers of God subject to the law knew this. That sir, is the reality. God bless ps. Yes sir, you are imagining things . |
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