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Good morning all.

Yes i said all, regardless of your religious preferences or better. lack of it.

texanomaly: Thank you

Btw...I like the new Strar Trek movies, but the old reruns of the TV series are the best.

texanomaly: They are still under their parents protection. It is disrespectful to challenge that. Also they are very young. I realize it is tempting to get them at an age when they are easily manipulated, but it seems almost criminal, to undermine the parents authority that way.

Okay, i understand your point.

texanomaly: Did you really try to talk to 6, 7 and 8 year holds? Not cool.

Why??

tuagbo: "Secularist," if not for the other atheists on Nairaland,I would have gone crazy by now.I've been called "evil" and "the devil" so many times,e don tire me.Being atheist especially in naija no be beans."Star Trek:Deep space nine" is my favourite.

I actually just watched my first star trek and it spoke to me i swear. It is the recent one (yeah i know).

There is strength in number and greater strength in truth. I know how you feel, i had to deal with that from family members and friends for a long time. People who know still look at me weird sometimes.

But we would have to find a way. Somewhere along the lines of cunning that isreal used in acquiring their land. We have to be both cunning subtle in the way we go about it.

tuagbo: "Secularist," I have tried to discuss a lack of a god with 6,7 and 8 year olds.When their parents got wind of it,I was sternly warned.I then moved on to teenagers,their message to me;"I don't want to hear it!!!You're a demonic agent of Lucifer!!!."Onto tweenies;"Guy,better hold your side o or else we go beat shege comot your body."That was how I started holding my side.These "religious folks" don't want to be assisted so why should I waste my time and put myself in harms way trying to help those who clearly don't want to be helped?

Even my own siblings do not like to hear it from me. If i asked them how is church they would naturally assume that i am mocking them (which i am )

But i do not believe in adirect approach, no, not at all. There has to be a creative way to go about it i believe.

tuagbo: "Secularist,"you really still believe in the younger generation?You really believe there is still good in the young ones?I gave up on them a LONG time ago.Go to some sections on Nairaland and you'll shake your head so much,you'll experience neck pains for days.

I still have faith O, I have to, and i am talking about much younger people. I can be busy trying to explain to people who tell me that their god can foreknow stuff but decide not to, where do you start with such a person, hmmm.

I have to believe that there are people like us there, or at least people that could have been like us if exposed to the truth early. I have to, this is where my own folly lies i guess.

tuagbo: @Secularist At the start of this thread,you stated you wouldn't argue with these "religious folks" but here you are doing what you said you wouldn't.Take my advise and IGNORE all of them.All they seek is RELEVANCE.By the way,i'm a "STRONG! STRONG!! STRONG!!! atheist."So,what's the plan?

Yeah, i know i should not be talking to them, i tried not to but its just hard. I have a low tolerance to foolishness, and i cant help but try to correct it when i see it.

The plan is simple, what steps can one take to enlighten the younger generation that they at least have a fighting chance against religious indoctrination??

This is something i am very interested in.

Joshthefirst: I'm telling you. We're stopping murder and the guy is calling me a murderer and a demeaner. Smh

Mumu, David Hume was not supporting your theory he was simply stating the foolishness of your religion. Someone got rappped and cannot get to abort the pregnancy

texanomaly: I love Star Trek

Yay!

Live long and prosper y'all.

JMAN05: I understand your confusion, however, there is no answer for the existence of a universe, humans aside from an intelligent supernatural power.

1. God didnt plan in the beginning that His son (not Himself), will come and die.

2. God didnt predestine Adam and Eve, so he never knew they would sin nor did He know that satan was going to tempt them.

I think the problem starts from the wrong teaching you ve heard.

1. Go and read your bible mate. He had planned his son all along. Something along the lines of the foundation of the world or some sht.
2. The all seeing, all knowing god being able to know present and past could not see that the serpent would tempt his own image??

You guys are nothing but a confused bunch.

Logicboy03: Subatomic level too?

Lol.

Uyi Iredia: You don't need to kill to intercede even humans do better, for all their flaws, they forgive unconditionally. As the question by Dawkins put ' . . . why not just forgive ?' That is the question Jesus death no longer satisfied. I think deep down this bugs you, it bugged my Mum and she did talk about it with me, it bugged me whilst a Christian though I pushed it at the recesses of my mind. Why kill humans for faults you made them with, why condemn them all to death, why even allow babies die ? Then say you'ren loving, who'll take that from a human. In fact that's all I'll state for now.

I feel you on a cellular level.

Joshthefirst: What does happen to people who have died without hearing about Jesus and God's law and love?

Romans 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

The bible answers questions. God will judge in his own way.

Really?

What i got from that is that i am better of not knowing about religion and its stringent laws, ignorance is actually salvation.

JMAN05: then you are not open minded.

I am. Most atheist were religious once upon a time. I asked questions and the answers combined with years of fact finding has led me to my conclusions. I really just dont have the energy to debate people. I believe there are better ways to convey a truth.

Uyi Iredia: If rational arguments didn't work on religious people none of them would turn atheist which is largely the case, that meme is pathetic.

You are actually right. It is only a matter of probability really. It is bleeping hard!

One has to have begun the process of unearthing on their own i guess, that was the case for me. Perhaps it is possible, but it is a venture i have little interest in at the moment. I have a much different strategy for conversion.

texanomaly: I know atheist find this abhorrent, but that is why He sent Christ to intercede.

I don't know why I'm saying this. I felt the need to. I guess. I understand that you don't believe the Bible to be true. But there it is.

You should watch the video i put up.

Let us reason this out. You are a god who makes no mistake and knows future [/b]and [b]past. So you create man in your own image, put him in a garden that your other creation who you could have killed or sent away or not have created in the first place can access this man who you love so much.

But wait!

You knew this one was going to happen so you had planned for your son, who is really you to come to earth and get lynched because you love man, and then damn the man you first created and his wife because they fell for a trick you could have prevented in the first place knowing fully well that this people in your image do not have the stomach for temptation.

Did i loose you at any point dear?

Do you see how ludicrous this is? Have you asked yourself of what happened to the billions of people that had died in without hearing of jesus or allah? Did they go to hell since they were sinners? And this god loves you so much?

The bullsht of religion stinks so badly of lies, unintelligible lies, but what is more surprising is that people would still choose to lock out reason.

Joshthefirst: Romans 8:4 KJV
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

That has automatically crapified everything you just said.

Joshthefirst: God gave you laws that you couldn't keep. Smh. So he should reduce his standard and start all over again.

I tire.
Keep blaming God for your sinfulness.

Can you keep the law? Can anyone keep that law? EHN?

Then you break the law and ask god for forgiveness and then all is well? Wow! I could go out and kill someone then ask for forgiveness, aint that about a bittch!

I get the feeling you are good guy, and i think i am starting to genuinely feel sorry for you. You are defending NOTHING, and it is even sadder knowing that you would never understand that. I am honestly very weak in my fingers right now knowing for a fact that nothing i can do can save you from this prison you call religion. I am sorry brother, i really am, some evolved, some stayed behind, it breaks my heart i swear it.

This is why there must be a change, because past a certain age the indoctrination of religion is set in stone. We have to do something for the children in this country and the continent as a whole, they are the leaders of tomorrow. Imagine how hard Obasanjo and Jonathan would have had it if there were more people who understand that they had to fight their own battles and not their imaginary friends?

There is a direct correlation between religion and political oppression, and to save our Nation we must first be enlightened, understanding fully well without the tint of delusions what the outcome of not doing would do to us and our children unborn.

ooman: Well stop blaming the law, because your god gave it, meaning condemnation comes from your god. Your god gave laws that no man can fulfill, then blame us for not being able to fulfil it, providing the excuse, called jesus, as a way to get us into intellectual slavery for ever.

Because your god gave laws that we cannot fulfill, he therefore brought us condemnation. So stop wasting nairaland space and shut the heck up

GBAM!

Joshthefirst: the law brings condemnation because no man has ever fulfilled it but Jesus Christ. He never lied or stole or profaned or looked at a woman lustfully. Because we have not fulfilled this law written in our consciences, we are condemned. We have sinned against God, our consciences bearing witness.
We stand condemned. We deserve it.
But God in his mercy sent Jesus to save us from our guilt and sin. He took our punishment for us. That is the gospel. If you believe, you're saved. Born again into Gods kingdom a holy and perfect child because of Jesus Christ

I am really trying not to insult your god here. Please take him and yourself off my thread O! Na beg i dey beg O! I am trying to be decent here and accept that there are things i may not change, but since this is a sensitive subject for you i advise you dont put your god to the test O! Take him with you and go O!

Na beg i dey beg O!

ooman! You the man.

Josh, i mean you no insult, actually i do. I refuse to feel guilty for being human and therefore need the opium called god you are peddling to make me feel better. Religion creates a problem and tries to become the solution.

I have no business with your puppet god. The reason you are probably insulted daily on nairaland is because you spew out this stuff, like what enlightened person would take that seriously?

I am not here to convert you, google should do that on my behalf, i am here to discuss with those who have crossed the bridge already into reason and left their delusions behind, not you josh. Maybe you should pray for me since you are so sure of your white/arab god, whichever.

Joshthefirst:
Can you imagine?

1,000 years from now, people like us would use the brains of past persons who shared your insanity and discuss in scientific details the effect of religion on the grey matter of the early religious man.

You are no different from the early babarian persons, the only difference is that you can use a computer. Bravo! You don't fool anyone, just yourself. You need to understand that i do have a big problem with people who let old useless books cloud their reasons.

I am not peace loving, i cannot be peace loving to a person who propagates lies and falsehood that has and continue to reduce humanity. I hope you understand that until you can remove yourself either from my view or your religion we would not see eye to eye, because to me you are a murderer, a killer of all things good and noble in the human being. Your ignorance of these facts does not make it any less true.

Google is your friend, use it, find answers, and when you have something intelligible to say, i would be here to answer you.

ooman: ok, late but am a strong atheist, am certain gods do not exist just as am certain that flying pigs do not exist....

Good analogy!

Joshthefirst: God does not justify maltreating children either.
Ok. Its enough. I'm tired.




Ps: he didn't just ask people on the street, two of those guys were proffesors from UCLA
And one was a physicist.

וועלכער נעגראָע

Joshthefirst: ^^^
Sometimes, during weak moments, i wonder why I bother.
Blame God for the killing of twins. It was mary slessor, a missionary from God who abolished killing of twins. Smh

Did you even watch that video @ all.
The fact that you still speak like this after watching the video shows something is wrong. Your brother atheists were making much better excuses than you. Dawkins hasn't recovered from the impact of that video yet
Most of them don't know what to say.

It didn't matter if it was mary slessor, the idea is that people would believe one thing fervently and through tremendous works of enlightened persons be better of tomorrow. History keeps repeating itself.

I watched the video, and again it is BULSHIIT. I dont blame god for the killing of twins, because there is no god. I blame man for god. To explain how blindly you answer why did you skip the story of the police man assaulting his daughter? I would tell you why, because it hurts your point. In Akwa-Ibom children are being tortured this way daily all thanks to man being able to justify wickedness with some deity which in this case is your white god.

Get enlightened bro, it the only way forward for the country and the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA

Joshthefirst: Watch evolution versus God here:
www.EvolutionvsGod.com

This is bullshiit. So you ask random people on the street to give you accurate scientific answers and you draw conclusions based on that??
Go and watch dawkins, he has several videos on youtube and gain some insight there.

We would never cease to find excuses to rationalize insanity, i am certain the guys killing twins back then were certain they were right, or more recently the police man hitting his daughter with the butt of a gun because he was CONVINCED she was a witch.

I honestly dont have the time or the patience to educate you. The internet is your friend and your white god has given you a brain right? Use it as you deem fit. If in all your findings you still see reasons to hang on to his metaphorical cloak, then good for you and heaven, milk, honey and virgins is your portion.

Cheers!

A more caustic letter to Einstein

Less abject but more shocking was the letter from the Founder
of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma:

Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in
America will answer you, 'We will not give up our belief
in our God and his son Jesus Christ, but we invite you, if
you do not believe in the God of the people of this nation,
to go back where you came from.' I have done everything
in my power to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come
along and with one statement from your blasphemous
tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than all
the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to
stamp out anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein,
every Christian in America will immediately reply to you,
'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go
back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to
break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome
when you were forced to flee your native land.'

(Culled from Richard Dawkin's The god Delusion)

The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote a letter
that so damningly exposes the weakness of the religious mind, it is
worth reading twice:

We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one
thing you do not seem to have learned: that God is a spirit
and cannot be found through the telescope or microscope,
no more than human thought or emotion can be found by
analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based
on Faith, not knowledge. Every thinking person, perhaps,
is assailed at times with religious doubt. My own faith has
wavered many a time. But I never told anyone of my
spiritual aberrations for two reasons: (1) I feared that I
might, by mere suggestion, disturb and damage the life
and hopes of some fellow being; (2) because I agree with
the writer who said, 'There is a mean streak in anyone
who will destroy another's faith.' . . . I hope, Dr Einstein,
that you were misquoted and that you will yet say something
more pleasing to the vast number of the American
people who delight to do you honor.

And the Over religiosed American people responded to his statement.

An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an
ecumenical coalition, wrote to Einstein:

We deeply regret that you made your statement . . . in
which you ridicule the idea of a personal God. In the past
ten years nothing has been so calculated to make people
think that Hitler had some reason to expel the Jews from
Germany as your statement. Conceding your right to free
speech, I still say that your statement constitutes you as
one of the greatest sources of discord in America.