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Kobojunkie is what I consider esu laroye. She be original winch winch

Kobojunkie:
I am not in Europe, so I could not tell of those who call back home for assistance. Many of those around me here are the ones I speak of . . . done with the bull-$hit of the Nigerian mentality. This Christmas, I am so buying myself a huge gift, thanks to the money I saved by not sending more freebies to those in Nigeria who do not seem to care about the Nigerian situation enough to want to change it.

Kobo how are you?

@naijababe

100,000 pounds a year is 26 million naira. Someone just said such salaries are difficult in naija but they can giving that to RGU grads really? Oil companies have that much money to spend?

Internationals pay the full fees not all cash down but don't forget that a lot of international students are from countries like europe and asia where you can get a loan from a bank to go to a school. No naija bank would lend you such a huge sum of money. So the large majority of internationals loan money from the banks in their country. If you don't have that option u will have to try cosigners or access loans if you have a credit history in america.                          

I meant the best b schools in europe are in continental europe not england. After maybe be london business school most b schools in the uk don't have strong placements because the mba is in general an american phenomenon. U are ok with a masters degree or even undergraduate degree in the UK. Also in the UK/europe there is a big market for PhDs in like consultancy/finance firms in the city relative to america so they tend to hire PhD people in graduate schemes. This is true for germany where they have a PhD glut. So these end up being the associates in firms instead of MBA.

In general though the US is the best to go for an MBA but the cost and visa issues are kind of a deterrent. There are also a lot of one year MBAs in europe which are attractive.

oyb:
i swear, we must see sefago in five years. if the us continues on its trajectory we will see if he is still sputtering his master of the universe egosim.

I know you  ?

Why you mad 

In five years I will still be online chatting crap confidently and happily. Thank God its the internet age and we all have freedom of speech.

You think I want to live in the US? Shyt if you give me a job in Nigeria now I am leaving  .

I am making suggestions, you know how much research I do on this things with no one to give advise to? So anytime I have the opportunity to do so I spit it out. Its really not egoistic. I dont intend to work in finance, business or make money. I intend to have an easy 9-5 job where I get the opportunity to chase women till I am 50. Then move to the Caribbeans and keep on doing that till I pafuka. I am very nihilistic- All I need is clothes, women, food to eat and somewhere to sleep it does not have to be in a posh place.

We no go die someday- why all the vanity?

obowunmi:
Sefag, easy on Ajanlekoko that's my main man,

Every one has different point of views and we can all agree to disagree.

Are you at Harvard ? How do you like it ? When do you graduate ?

I am just playing with him. I wanna see how angry he can get before he pushes me for a ban  . I really have no problem with his opinions. They are equally valid but some of them sound like bad belle sometimes sha. Like he seems he has been observing all the people who came back to Nigeria with an MBA and became average but for each failure I am sure there are decent success stories.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=817049.msg9724787#msg9724787 date=1323377342]Even if they don't give you any grants/scholarships and all they offer is loans, I still think it is worth it.[/quote]They rarely loan money to foreign students because they need a US cosigner but there used to be an Access loan for international students.

A lot of the european business schools though would loan you the money straight-off regardless of your citizenship like ESADE, St Gallen e.t.c

So many scholarships for MBA out there, the main issue is being a top student with top grades and good work experience. You dont have to go to America or the UK (which has like only one really good MBA program anyways), the best programs are in continental Europe.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=817049.msg9724660#msg9724660 date=1323376146]There are obviously many paths to success. . . no one is saying that the only way to succeed is Harvard MBA.

But imo, if you apply and get in, you pretty much have to go.[/quote]If you get accepted the school will also make an effort to make sure you get funded to go there. All these rumor mongers on Nairaland claiming that they dont give scholarships. I am going to meet a friend tomorrow who got a scholarship to HBS and he has a naija passpot.

All una go on being lazy and typing online instead of figuring your life lol

obowunmi:
Yes ooo,  I know folks who went to Baruch College and landed top jobs.

I had a friend who graduated from Wharton and was jobless for two years. Rather than network, he had spent all his time studying to keep up with his peers,  He ruined his credit because student loans companies want to collect their money and he had no money,  Once again just be wise!

Lagcity: you go school for New York ?

Baruch has good contacts with the city and are a decent feeder for IB.

lagcity:
^^^^^
no mind them jare. you can attend all the Ivy leagues in America if u want. But if you don't have the personality, you still won't make valuable friends and contacts. It is all about the personality and crashing the right parties on the upper east side of Manhattan .

Exactly, its all about connections but schools like HBS open the doors for you to interact with such people and gives you the confidence to build them. Yes some people dont use  alumni network (I dont, I am not really social) but I have seen people use them and it works wonders. There is a feeling of camaraderie which American schools foster on their students (largely absent in other countries) and generally if you forward your CV to an alumni you are guaranteed a look. If say you apply to an MBB firm and you know someone who can refer you, you will have better chances of getting an interview. I have a friend who uses alumni network decently well because he is a bit more confident than I am and it worked wonders for him.

Cornell, Emory, Michigan, UMD - College Park, U of Austin - Texas, Rice, Cambridge, Oxford, Manchester, Imperial, Edinburgh, IMD, IESE, U Toronto, Queens University, McGill, University of Capetown etc that have MBA programs. Everybody has a potential for greatness, and so it will be wrong to assume that you're gonna nail "that" only at schools such as Yale, Harvard, and the rest of the so called elite institutions. Don't forget that rankings are biased.

And they also give scholarships (The American ones) and some of the European ones. Its just that its the asians getting the scholarship not Africans because most have the same mindset as Ajanlekoko  . Sit down, be mediocre till I am in my 30s and then figure out my life later  

^ Ok you are correct.

Have fun

Dis Guy:
You didnt read the other part of that quote or perhaps you didnt consider it useful?

HBS is a waste of time and money for Nigerians, especially if what you're looking for is a job in Nigeria

Do you honestly think Nigerian companies can pay HBS MBA salaries?

It's like going to the RADA just to get into Nollywood

I did. That statement is not really true, and his second qualification is not either. Infact its the main reason I stuck in the thread, I had this discussion with a friend like day ago so it was coincidental this came up. He was asking me the point of such an MBA if your major gain is (networking) is useless in Nigeria when you can network more at Lagos Business school. I pointed out that might be true but lets put this in context- if you get into HBS its likely you have strong work experience, its very likely you have a gameplan and a reason for going there. Its not a waste for these individuals. It means there is a lot you can do with the brand. the average salary out of an MBA is 100K, I bet a lot of Nigerian companies can pay that (Sebi i dey read Nairaland).How do all of you build your houses in Lekki, VI et al. by mortgage?

What about multinationals and their extensions (Mckinsey is in Nigeria, some foreign private equity firms)- you think they will not be able to pay a good salary? Oil companies? kini big deal about 12-14 million Naira a year.

Moni we no get,
Book we no sabi

No personal attack, but you tend to always try and downplay anything foreign and remotely academic. You also make your claims based on casual observations- basically gross generalization.

SEFAGO is talking from the Yankee Student perspective.

LOL keep making yourself happy with google .

An MBA is not seen as academic and no one does an MBA for the classes or really to learn anything of value. Its name branding and people know that when go and do an MBA. I still never understand why people keep on bring up the class content issue like its rocket science.

I meant those executive education programs do not get you recruited for anything neither are they a major addition in your CV. The MBA brand is what makes Harvard business School elite and the executive education is just a money spinner for them for people gullible enough to pay for them.

IMHO, HBS is a waste of time and money for Nigerians, especially if what you're looking for is a job in Nigeria. If you intend to get 'top-rated' experience internationally, well, sure if you have the money or the funding. If not, I'm sure there are equally sound, much cheaper, if less prestigious, programs around. One size can't possibly fit all.

Enjoy your ignorance and lack of exposure. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

Remember that most academic programs are crammed with tons of useless information anyways.

And for chrissake no respectable person really considers an MBA an "academic" program. I dont blame you sha for your disdain for education.

The people you listed below are just lazy people and exception to the rules it does not mean that they are the general case of nigerians who go to HBS or CBS.

Fstranger last picture on the right

tanimola22:
I am just getting to know that age is also an issue in the States. Interesting. Naija is not left alone on this one.

I dont know if age is an issue per se but I think most people past a certain age do not see the point of working long hours when they can get a comfy 9-6 job in nigeria with company car and loads of benefit. Whats the point of working for money you will not enjoy

Dis Guy:
Yes of course!!


The look on Papa Nkechi's face when I come back with the paper is priceless,
in fact he will waive the bride price, forget the fact I'm Hausa and rename the town!

_{You can get some hbs weekend certificate course for less than $50k ask many Senior bank managers in Nigeria
and those nddc members}

No normal and informed person takes those "executive education" courses seriously

Harvard rarely offers MSc (MS in the states)

Loads of top MBAs give financial aid to the academically capable especially from underrepresented regions like Africa

If you are not young (Like in your 20s or early 30s) it would not be easy to get an associate position in a BB. Harvard or not these people tend to be more willing to hire a young crowd except maybe you had prior experience in IB as an analyst (this is what i heard from family friends who did an MBA at top ten school s but ended up coming back to nigeria). They pointed out that most of the people being headhunted for those positions where the younger folks.

Why? I was planning on doing a year in europe too and then coming back to the us for phd. may be that's a bad idea too, but I just didn't want to go directly into a phd program. I feel like I should take a break for a year or something. Anyway, i was planning on just contacting professors randomly and just packing up and going somewhere for a year.

I did the same thing- and trust me its a refreshing experience- the US gets monotonous and while I would personally encourage you to do this, like my experience was not great because of finances (I am not from a rich family ). If you get a job though and stuff like that definitely go for it but you also gotta consider like Visa issues and stuff. Can give you more specifics elsewhere. Start contacting professors early though and also you have to consider like if they can pay you to work in their labs or something- it seem like a great idea in theory but in practise might not be all that good.

Are you still in grad school? How is that going. I am bent on the grad school route right now. anyway, let me know where to contact you. I need serious advice.

Yeah I am for now hehe, If I dont drop out/Fail out , you can send an email to graduatenaijahelp@gmail.com then I will redirect you to a better/real email address or add you on chat or something. Yeah I will be happy to give you advise- seems you are in the same situation I was in when I just graduated and I was a bit idealistic like you like going abroad for a year which I did and which was a great experience dont get me wrong but yeah send me an email.

[quote author=flo_path link=topic=943.msg9692736#msg9692736 date=1323028345]Not applying for phd in Italy, I'd just like to live in Italy for a year. I took one art history class sophomore year and my final project was art in Italy. I have wanted to check out the history and architecture. If I go there, it'll be for a year and I will be working on the kind of stuff am interested in. There just won't be a lot of money.

Anyway, are you applying this year too?

Those are not my GRE scores BTW, even though mine is pretty similar, I think the scores are hassan's.

Anyway, I looked at KAUST, it seems like they have a lot of money, but isn't anyone concerned about the location? I mean foreigners aren't exempted from their laws right?  Seems like a pretty good school though. Anyone you know there,  what is it like?[/quote]Flo_path lol you sound a bit like me, I think we should talk off Nairaland for several reasons--- I lived in Europe for a year b4 starting grad school at one of the Harvard/Yale/Princeton/ MIT/Stanford schools. Biggest mistake I have ever made in my life. But its quite possible, trust me, I randomly contacted professors from Universities all over the world and I got research positions in EPFL, Trinity College Dublin and University College Dublin, Oxford, St Andrews and a bunch of other UK universities- but funding was also a major issue though and some of them wanted me to even pay for my housing.

I personally think you should stay in America and dont waste time on places like Oxbridge or Imperial- apart from the fact that they are three years, I do not think that they can match top 15 US universities in terms of facilities or quality. The quality of UK PhDs is heavily dependent on the student, with some good students completing excellent PhDs while the large majority might not because its just three years and some people spend a whole year figuring out what to do and two years doing it. America is not that different but the Generals/Qualification exams you have to sit and the fact that you are required to publish a certain number of papers forces you to get a good quality PhD. Anyways I dont have time to type because I am very busy but if you are interested in talking further let me know.

I dont think MIT/Caltech/Stanford are necessarily reaches- Berkeley might as an International student.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=693700.msg9688656#msg9688656 date=1322972651]Yes, of course, we're pals now.

at the bolded though. The people that drowned in the lagoon weren't trying to commit suicide, as far I know. What are you talking about? I suppose I missed a lot, being away and all. In those days, we still depended a lot on CNN for our "foreign" news. Internet hadn't caught on quite as much.

"11 in 2002." You're kinda young, no offense. It all makes sense now. [/quote]Ok yeah I cannot remember the specifics -they did not try to commit suicide (Nigerians dont commit suicide lol nah oyibo people dey do that one) per se but they like where so scared that they did loads of funny stuff like jumped and everything. But yeah stuff happened very close to where I went to school in lagos so its kind of very memorable for me because people were so scared though its like actually a long tym ago, I was a bit older than 11 but man I can still remember that day vividly because stoopid people were saying shyt like "armageddon."

^ I was in secondary school then barely 11 but I can still remember that day because it highlighted to me how superstitious nigerians are. Loads of people trying to commit suicide thinking it was the end of the world. Re, tards at least thank God they killed themselves so that they cannot procreate and pollute the genetic pool.

@Isale_gan2
Babes how u dey? Now that we have reconciled and are good friends we can now greet each other without much ado.

[quote author=flo_path link=topic=943.msg9673027#msg9673027 date=1322766114]Time to bring this thread back. I need some inspiration as I try to finish up applications and turn these things in. Hey people where are you applying?[/quote]Long tyms, What schools are you applying to and is it for a PhD?

I am feeling very anti-academia nowadays so I doubt I will be inspiring. Just choose places that are in good environment.

RIP

Eloquently kicking homophobes since 2007

^ Will you ride me then??

That is why it would be difficult to feel Buhari's big boot if he eventually steps down from Politics. How can an African Minister whose Salary is nothing to write home about send his daughter abroad to attain all those degrees, on his Father's meagre wage.

He also has kids in $50,000/year schools in the US

Go and hang yourself if im dey vex u or go and join the national cake.

Whats that Fela song again "if you no like make you hang ge ge"?

Actually know some people who are friends with her brothers (They are in America and definitely living large and comfortably while you small boys are complaining  )

But they are still human anyways and who would refuse free money?

RIP

Stop making excuses for being shyt and average in life.

Shyt and avergae people get shyt and average things.

Something I have learned in this life is that you should never expect to be given anything . . . you gotta take it.

If you cannot do yahoo yahoo, do Armed robbery, child trafficking anything man. There are a million illegal ways to make money so stop being a pansy, man up and do the right thing.

Peace

Song is really pretty vulgar, you dont really need to even get the igbo translation down, you can just tell by the tone of teh song- first time I heard it was at a club in london and I was pretty inebriated but it stuck in ma head.

The remix is also pretty good

Pretty sad some people dont have the decorum to respect the dead.

RIP Ojukwu

eGuerrilla:
You find that sickening, huh?
It will be interesting to know what you think of stay-at-home Nigerians who bear names that could fill an English man with pride.
<Hint> Our first citizen

LOL at irony. All those fishermen do like taking oyibo names.

I agree that he or she needs to do more research before going forward with the move, and I agree with your second statement that there may be opportunities in examining lesser known schools in detail, but I doubt if hiring managers who may be fraught with responsibilities of sifting through 12,000 applications for 50 roles think of it this way, when they could easily just filter for Oxford or Cambridge. In the end, these schools are what those companies sell most to their clients. A sales person from Goldman sachs is more likely to win the wealth management business of a new prospect by telling him that his funds will be managed by "Cambridge grads" than "guys from Queens, Canada".

You are talking about recruiting in the UK and no one is comparing Queens to oxbridge. Point is that you can maximize your chances of getting a good job by going to queens than most universities in the UK. Most people from Oxbridge will not be able to get entry-level jobs in the US too because of the way recruitment is set-up (Heavily based on on-campus resume drop where you get physically interviewed on campus) does not mean much really. A lot of financial institutions and consultancies have offices in Canada, and the students from the best business school in Canada get access to these first before Ivy league students from North America and Oxbridge:

http://business.queensu.ca/ConversionDocs/commerce_annual_report.pdf

http://business.queensu.ca/ConversionDocs/MBA_annual_report.pdf


Some of the companies there like Mckinsey recruit heavily in the UK from like 4 universities (Oxbridge,Imperial,LSE) and in the US from like 12-15 (Ivy, Northwestern, Berkeley et al.) but would focus on recruiting for their Canadian office solely on Canadian universities.

Its all about finding the easiest and cheapest way of getting a good job. Most Nigerians just focus on what they are familiar with US/UK when you can seek other opportunities elsewhere. Apart from the language barrier/maybe discrimination for jobs and maybe a lack of recognition in naija- I still think this is a cost effective strategy. I have found a lot of Africans (Francophone Africans) who attended the grande ecoles for undergrad or masters and have jobs in top companies in the new york and london.

So, OP, follow the counsel given in the above post. I would recommend Berlin University in Germany or University of Paris-Dauphine in France. Both are good; there are several other good ones. So, make your choice wella.

University of Paris-Dauphine is very very good.

Canada is very different from the states and UK for finance recruitment in that the most recruited schools are not the best overall universities. The best three business programs in Canada are Queen's, Ivey (University of western ontario), and Schulich (University of York) with Queens being very elite and drawing all the major bulge brackets/Private equity and hedge funds. These do not correspond to the best universities in the country. However for consulting jobs and such it would be more common to find people from McGill and especially Toronto since Toronto is actually the best university in Canada (Most people know mcgill internationally but Toronto is canada's premier university).

Anyways only like 6-8 U.K universities are worth shelling out your money for masters (Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL, Warwick, Bristol and Durham). The rest in general dont have considerable elite recruitment and with the difficulty in securing a work visa nowadays in the UK u better hold your money for ground.

So while London is a financial hub not every he-goat will be allowed to work there anyways considering the fact that there are students from continental europe with way better respected degrees.

London South Bank is a crappy university. I dont even know why people cannot be frank lol and not wreck the poor guys life. Use your money to go to a french country or even germany and endure the racism. At least you would be getting quality education. Or at least spend it on ashewo man adn ogogoro.

My did I make an impression  

I was in a bad mood that day and sometimes u homophobes  just kind of irritate me.

Iya yi  fi mi le

Go back to the thread.  

Desola:
Is politics really that difficult a subject? Isn't it just daily life as we live it?

Its not rocket science, you know? You just need to have an opinion on decisions as it affects you or how you perceive it to affect others.

Is that so difficult?

Na by force?- she is not interested.

Look if you are not interested in something you are gonna do a bad job at it even if it is easy. For example, Ileke-Idi is not really interested in politics per se, she just noticed that it has a high traffic and so as a way to say something she took an interest in it.

I guess your ego is still bruised from the TWO man-lover threads where we collided. (Plus, HORRORS!, I ignored you from then on.) Dude, that was a year ago

I do have a long memory , but trust me my ego was not bruised. Someone of my immense intellect knows he is always right and only engages low-intellect individuals so as to understand the state of your condition.

You ignored me, like I give a shyt . I go die from lafta sha

Say hi to your boyfriend, btw. lol

Yah I will, he is currently fellatioing me. So he cannot talk right now his mouth is full.

^ Ban kobo for life and we all would be fine. She gives me and everyone on Nairaland headache.

Trust me if I set up a poll for who should be permanently banned she will come up tops.