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[quote author=E-Engineer link=topic=740530.msg8967890#msg8967890 date=1313839719]i want to know how foreigners around the world react when you say you are a nigerian

people living abroad should please give us answers on this question and please specify the way people from different countries will react[/quote]They bring out their radios and play this song:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfO2JCD6ZM

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=739028.msg8955222#msg8955222 date=1313690757]But you do.[/quote]Well depending on who I talk to 

As I said earlier girls tend to like the Nigerian accent so why dont I make use of what I have

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=739028.msg8955018#msg8955018 date=1313689190]Wow, I didnt even see that part

Still sexy tho


But there Americans like insulting ppl.

Italian

French

Whatever that may mean.



CZech[/quote]I think they are just exoticizing foreign accents- cant blame them, if I had an American accent myself I would kill myself

Mbeki:
Maybe u no sabi international chicks toasting code

Emi Ke? I wrote the book on that s*h/it man. Infact you should have your notebook ready for me to give you pointers

While American girls go gaga over Nigerian accents, I think they are the only ones (Americans I think) who like the Nigerian accent.

I have lived in other places around the world and my accent cannot pull dem chicks like it would in the US. The study was probably based in the US iI bet

There is an already existing thread- Oga Moderators (i.e. people without jobs in the real world), will soon come and bin your thread

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=735593.msg8935246#msg8935246 date=1313497867]simply pathetic! If you have lived around the UK, maybe you wouldn't the making such comments bereft of sound reasoning!

Let me remind you that gang culture is historically alien to blacks, go do some reading if you care to learn.

If you think blacks brought about gang culture, looting, rioting to the UK, take your time to study football league history in the UK, the hillsbrough disaster, the reason a raod is called 'white ladies road' in Bristol, History of Bedminister in Bristol and to crown it all, the sole reason England was suspended from UEFA football cup for some years!

If I have my way, and should that panelist be on the payroll of the BBC, then his P60 will be in post to him in 21 working days!

The widespread rioting and looting is just a tip of the iceberg! One of the obvious reasons for the rioting and looting can be traced to 'racist' and 'class' mindsets like that of the panel.

While ever act that goes against the civil norms such as the rioting and looting is condemable, bring 'race' into the matter is disgusting!

We know the queen of england can not be left alone in a convenience shop (big or small) with candy bars and chocolate sticky hanging out the shelves, does that mean we can conclude the whites are the author of pitty stealing?[/quote]Mate the word you are trying to find is "Hooliganism"

Yeah I am a working [sic] dictionary

The lord will receive you all with open hands thief or no thief. Just make sure you come to him loaded

dabrake:
get your facts b4 postin. Apart frm harvard, mit remains d bst. Few rate caltech abov mit buh if u take d criteria used 4 judgement, mit wil outclass caltech. In terms of science/technology, mit is d best in d world. Y nt use goole properly?

Kedu? Wetin do you that you are directly conversing to  SEFA"GOD"?

You sure u still no dey Yaba Psychiatry hospital?

Are you ok?

How you fit convince your psychiatrist that your craze craze don reduce enough to let you out into the real world?

Dont you know that before you talk to God you usually go through an intermediary?

Anyways I am magnanimous, and I have forgiven you for your trangressions.

PS: I was asking if the poster davidif who last posted in 2010 was alive aka where has he been. Remember year 2010 when you got carted to the Psychiatric hospital because you were having a conversation with a goat and trying to chat it up to have s/e/x with you but the goat no gree, and you tried to violation it and got caught by animal control.

Learn how to write properly mate, and dont text-speak when you are talking to God!!! Its not proper

davidif:
Wow!!!! excellent. The kid gets to go to the best school in the world.

Holy shit you still dey alive?

Nope.

It isn't implicit in the title or article that the conditions mentioned are exaggerated (I assume you mean negative conditions rather than potentials. Even if you mean potentials are exaggerated, again neither the title nor article suggests this.) This is a point made later by AjanleKolo in this thread about Western foreign investors.

Yare this is a classic case of miscommunication+the title of the article is misleading after reading the article+Nairaland derailment. Anyways with respect to who I was agreeing to is with those who said that other foreigners are able to harness potential of Nigeria despite the challenges cited in the article. Since everyone was talking about China and India and Westerners, I safely assumed that the article based on its TITLE was talking about foreign investors.

My bad, I should have figured out that the title could be misleading if I knew it was Nigerian newspaper.

See why I said everything in that country is crap

Anyway, at a more basic level, no, the article doesn't talk implicitly or explicitly about the perspective of Americans or Euros. It was a survey of businesses in Nigeria, not necessarily specifically Western-owned or run businesses. Granted, it may turn out that of the 3100+ businesses they surveyed in the 26 states they looked at, a good chunk of them are foreign-owned. But it seems a questionable leap to simply assume this.

And then the article title does not make sense tbh. If it does not specify with who is being sampled, then I dont know how they selected their title "Investors shun Nigeria"

My point is that a statement like "Most of these chinese people are from Mainland China anyways which is not much better than Nigeria IMO" is wrong, and paints a different picture. One of migration between two relatively poor countries rather than migration from a larger, comparatively wealthier one to a smaller, comparatively poorer one.

Ok, forget that statement then. I posted something to elaborate on what I meant but the spambot keeps deleting it. Look at my previous posts, seems you dont understand that the wages in china are not even that much higher and in a lot of cases less than that of Nigeria. You seem more focussed on the fact that are on the surface of a richer country. A lot of chinese executives actually earn less than some Nigerians (if you convert it to $$$). Of course Nigeria might be an expensive place to live in but the fact is that these foreign workers/business men have more to gain in Nigeria than they would in their home countries

Right, but it is kind of obvious why this is true. Euros and Americans naturally will demand higher wages in part because their countries are much richer than India or China. If you are making $70 or 80k a year for your company in the US, you won't be keen on going to Nigeria w/o earning a salary at a minimum comparable.

I dont think its obvious to everyone. Previous posters are complaining about expats being paid that much to come to Nigeria while the chinese are willing to work for less. The problem though is that regardles sof per capita GDP, chinese workers earn signficantly lower wages than even some Nigerians at comparable levels and so even a small spike in their salary wages would make them willing to come and work in Nigeria. The average Chinese Engineer earns $252 dollars a month, approximately $3000 a year or 420,000 Naira though with a purchasing parity roughly 5X that based on what you would get in the US. On the other hand the average American Engineer earns approximately $48,000.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml

Pay the Chinese engineer 5 times this ( 2 million naira a year) and he will be willing to take all the mosquito biting and discomfort available to work in Nigeria for one year and make his "cool cash" and go back home. Even most starting Nigerian engineers earn more than this lol. Some Nigerian firms sef like Deloitte pay fresh nigerian graduates more than this lol.

I think the main question is the Western Expats vs. Eastern/Inidian Expats and why the latter is more willing to risk the Nigerian environment relative to the West. My point being that they are quite used to that business environment anyways. I highlighted the other richer/westernized chinese countries because these people are less likely to go to Nigeria. With regards to the Mainland China versus Nigeria well on average China might be significantly wealthier than Nigeria but due to its large size it still has enough poor/desperate people to go around. And as I pointed out a lot of Nigerians especially in the lagos area earn significantly better wages than Chinese workers and they would only be willing to hustle in the UK/US/Canada before they go to Sudan sef.

The point is that contrary to your statement, China is a fair bit better off than Nigeria is. So brushing off their willingness to come to Nigeria by saying that their country isn't any better off seems a bit odd to me.

Ok, lemme break it down slowly and carefully. China no matter its per capita GDP is still infact a country with lots of poor people willing to take risks. These would be more likely to seek business opportunities elsewhere and take tougher working conditions. Also theer country might be better off, but the living condition in Nigeria would not be new to them. I think Ajanle Koko was talking of how Indian cities were dirtier and worse than Nigeria. Transplant an Indian worker from the crowded cities of Mumbai or Pune to Lagos, Nigeria- duh, he is gonna feel right in place. Transplant a German worker to Nigeria is he can cope.

I didn't make this point anywhere? So I guess you are agreeing with another poster.

Actually implicit in the title of your thread and the whole article it self. Some of those conditions are kind of exagerrated.

The point is that contrary to your statement, China is a fair bit better off than Nigeria is. So brushing off their willingness to come to Nigeria by saying that their country isn't any better off seems a bit odd to me.

Ok, lemme break it down slowly and carefully. China no matter its per capita GDP is still infact a country with lots of poor people willing to take risks. These would be more likely to seek business opportunities elsewhere and take tougher working conditions. Also theer country might be better off, but the living condition in Nigeria would not be new to them. I think Ajanle Koko was talking of how Indian cities were dirtier and worse than Nigeria. Transplant an Indian worker from the crowded cities of Mumbai or Pune to Lagos, Nigeria- duh, he is gonna feel right in place. Transplant a German worker to Nigeria is he can cope.

I didn't make this point anywhere? So I guess you are agreeing with another poster.

Actually implicit in the title of your thread and the whole article it self. Some of those conditions are kind of exagerrated.

Right, but it is kind of obvious why this is true. Euros and Americans naturally will demand higher wages in part because their countries are much richer than India or China. If you are making $70 or 80k a year for your company in the US, you won't be keen on going to Nigeria w/o earning a salary at a minimum comparable.

I dont think its obvious to everyone. Previous posters are complaining about expats being paid that much to come to Nigeria while the chinese are willing to work for less. The problem though is that regardles sof per capita GDP, chinese workers earn signficantly lower wages than even some Nigerians at comparable levels and so even a small spike in their salary wages would make them willing to come and work in Nigeria. The average Chinese Engineer earns $252 dollars a month, approximately $3000 a year or 420,000 Naira though with a purchasing parity roughly 5X that based on what you would get in the US. On the other hand the average American Engineer earns approximately $48,000.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml

Pay the Chinese engineer 5 times this ( 2 million naira a year) and he will be willing to take all the mosquito biting and discomfort available to work in Nigeria for one year and make his "cool cash" and go back home. Even most starting Nigerian engineers earn more than this lol. Some Nigerian firms sef like Deloitte pay fresh nigerian graduates more than this lol.

I think the main question is the Western Expats vs. Eastern/Inidian Expats and why the latter is more willing to risk the Nigerian environment relative to the West. My point being that they are quite used to that business environment anyways. I highlighted the other richer/westernized chinese countries because these people are less likely to go to Nigeria. With regards to the Mainland China versus Nigeria well on average China might be significantly wealthier than Nigeria but due to its large size it still has enough poor/desperate people to go around. And as I pointed out a lot of Nigerians especially in the lagos area earn significantly better wages than Chinese workers and they would only be willing to hustle in the UK/US/Canada before they go to Sudan sef.

^-- I have not actually visited any of these major Chinese construction sites say in Lagos or elsewhere in Nigeria. But from what I've read online, the suspicion I have is that the Chinese are supplying much of the unskilled labor:

Well raises the question of exactly you mean by unskilled labour. The jobs are being contracted to a chinese construction companies but I dont think you have chinese people being the bricklayers. I have actually seen some of these sites before in The VI/Ikoyi +Lekki area and it usually consist of a couple of chinese people directing Nigerians while constructing whatever they are constructing.

I might be wrong, but I would be pretty shocked if I see an Asian guy in the scorching African sun carrying cement. They would definitely not survive for more than a day!!

But how often do you see Nigerians in the bush somewhere in a foreign land? Say in Sudan in the middle of nowhere with no electricity? Doing something like construction? That isn't really the M.O. of your typical Nigerian immigrant.

Well touche. Who wan suffer? Also your example is extreme. If in theory a Nigerian business wants something done theoretically they will send a Nigerian executive to go to Sudan. Case in point that most chinese in Africa come for a specific purpose- either they are contracted to build something or run a local part of their business in Nigeria. Entrepreneurs from China do not come to Nigeria to hustle from ground. However, its just that European and Americans demand more wages than the Chinese or Indians because they feel teh opportunity cost of coming to Nigeria is just too high to take without higher wages and nice perks. The Indian and Chinese who get contracted on the other hand cannot be too picky.

I do agree though that Europeans and Americans tend to exaggerate the business condition of African countries.

Right, just due to demographics it seems unlikely you'll meet a Singaporean before someone from China. Regarding your second comment, why do you say this? China is like 3X wealthier per capita. Unless their society is far, far, more unequal than Nigeria, you'd expect that the lot of your typical guy there is much better than that of your typical Nigerian.

Depends on where you are at with regards to the more Singaporean ve. Chinese. Its just that people from developed and well off countries are less likely to come and stress themselves in another environment when they have all the incentives available to them.

Well we are not too sure that "your typical chinese" is the one taking the risk to come to Nigeria or fits the bill of the "risk-taking" Expat.

The big question is if its worth the risk to do business in Nigeria where there are better environments to do so. Does the gain of operating a business in Nigeria outweigh the risk?

The guys building the roads, actually supplying the labor on most of these construction projects are unskilled, right? I'm not talking about the project managers and such. My point is, why can't Nigerians be substituted in to supply this unskilled labor required for most construction projects? Anyway, I suspect that AjanleKolo would know what the answer to this is. . . and most importantly be able to give an honest answer. He tends not to beat around the bush.

Err don't pull a Kobojunkie on me. I dont think the construction projects are being carried out by unskilled laborers per se. I bet the chinese are shrewd enough to transport only people with the necessary skills- read " engineers and forement" to carry out specific construction projects if they want to build a factory or anything.

Anyways not to divert the topic but Nigeria is infact a bad place to start a business though there is loads of opportunity- no question about that.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=733961.msg8929518#msg8929518 date=1313432264]hmm

Chinese are rugged people.

It is sort of unfortunate that we cannot use Nigerian/African labor for 90%+ of these construction projects. The Chinese workers doing those projects are essentially peasants, right? Not really specialized or skilled labor. So no real reason unskilled labor here shouldn't be able to compete with them. At least in theory.

AjanleKolo, any thoughts?[/quote]There are chinese people and there are chinese people. They are not one monolithic group of people. There are loads of poor chinese people who live in poor conditions and where the Nigerian/African environment is not some sort of novelty. These are the ones who would be quite happy braving the hot weather and mosquitoes to live in such a challenging business behaviour like Nigeria.

Its not about being hardy peope per se, its just like people from a developing country going to work in another developing country. You see Nigerians in faraway place like Siberia too doing business you know. You find quite a few number of Chinese and Indians in Nigeria but you would rarely see someone from Hong Kong, Taiwan or Singapore (of course you could point out the signficant diffece in population size). Most of these chinese people are from Mainland China anyways which is not much better than Nigeria IMO

The Chinese workers doing those projects are essentially peasants, right? Not really specialized or skilled labor.

I doubt the chinese workers are unskilled labour. I think what they are trying to say is that most Chinese expats (if you can call them that) are more involved when they come to Nigeria than western expats.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=735662.msg8923965#msg8923965 date=1313369258]Lol @ naija Compton.

No, never been there.

But surely there must be some upscale parts of Peckham? I dunno, the concept appeals to me, but the reality might not be as good. I guess I'll have to visit someday and decide for myself.[/quote]LOL, then you are not truly Yoruba. You gotta see one of our colonies asap in the UK. Its just like going to Nigeria except without the hassles. You can even go to loads of Nigerian restaurants.

I dont know about upscale parts but initially the place was full of white people---> Then carribeans ---> then Nigerians.

You know now, white flight and all. Thats gonna drive property prices down and make a place undesirable to live. So I doubt it wouldbe upscale. Most of the upscale parts of london are in the west where very few black people live.

You should go, its gonna feel like lagos. I dont know where you live in teh US but there are quite a few places like that in maryland and new jersey where there are huge nigerian populations.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=735662.msg8923944#msg8923944 date=1313368543]Man, I need to move to Peckham. A Yoruba-speaking community in a 1st world country sounds like win to me[/quote]Haha you havent been?

Horrible place- mininaija. full of Nigerians man, you can even find one of your lagos bus conductors there. I remember one of my uncles who used to live in central lagos telling me that he met one of the former oga agberos there.

I dont think you wanna move there. Think of compton with Nigerian people .

Do you also take the same sort of stand against the racist panelist/politicians you have in Nigeria? Or is this outrage only limited to when you find hateful people of other races??

I luv whyte peoppple . . . I love whytie whytie whytie . . . I wanna be a whyteee . . . I love whytee

[quote author=i_want_to link=topic=735249.msg8919716#msg8919716 date=1313317558]Why is it that all the Nigerians caught are Yorubas? I was expecting to see Igbos as they like money more.[/quote]because, statistically, there are more Yorubas in teh UK than igbos dumbo. Manc sucks to be stoopid I swear.

Why I like Obasanjo is because the guy no dey dull sha, always find soemthing to do all the time

That Shonola chick is hot ooh

Err interesting news

Interesting, I am in the top 0.0000000000000000001%

Abeg lemme soak ma garri and go jor

I bet its the same people who claim nigerians live on $1 per day or something stoopid like that

The Western businesses in Nigeria are responsible for their own high costs. Come to Nigeria with an army of $20k a month expats all living in Ikoyi and Victoria Island with perks up to the nines, including welders and craftsmen. Who resides in all the high rises and penthouses, not to mention hotel suites? All flying back and forth in first and business class for crying out loud. Imagine the OPEX of such a business. SMH.

Where else do you want them to live? Ojuelegba? Surulere and all those village looking places in Lagos. Why would oyibo people with beautiful; amenities leave their heavenly houses to go to a third world country like naija.

Nigeria is a s/h/ithole. I dont know how people can live in such a horrible country. Damn thank God for teh west and oyibo peope

I was just greeting you ooh, the only way I could. See how you pour insult on me sef, just because I was making an innocent enquiry sha.

KnowAll:
@seafargo

I have made less inciteful, sexist statment in my time here and the moderators came like a ton of brick warning me of a ban, I think your foul statement should not be encorage in our forum. Such statement mirrors the rut in our society hence the degredation we have in Nigeria today. Ghanians are hitting above their weight and rightfully so,  I enconrage them to continue that quantum leap into el-dorado, since "big boko haramic brother and islamic banking crazed nation called Nigeria" does not know her left from her right.

First of all if I get banned on NL, I dont give a shyt. Go and get a life mate.

I am just here to look for trouble not to engage in a dialogue .

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=733521.msg8906722#msg8906722 date=1313137167]You really are a gentleman. You'll go far in life. I send you my blessing.[/quote]Emi ko? I am also a gentleman now

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=733521.msg8906604#msg8906604 date=1313135829]What a gentleman, thank you.[/quote]Nah the guy is what they call a bebelube+Gbeborun. I*d/iiooot  cannot even spell

I was just wondering why you have been supporting all things ghanaians. Now that you have confirmed my suspicions, I am gonna keep on lurking.

Anyhoo they should enjoy things while it lasts. Been to ghana and still a bigger shi/t hole than Nigeria

Well you have been raising your legs praising all things ghanaian so there has to be a reason.

Innit?

^ Seems you have been getting some good ghanaian c/o/c/k