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arsenefc:
How many Black people are in Science, besides very few smart dudes like yours truly.

Do you expect them to just grab someone from one the glorified High schools littering the landscape of Africa and give him/her the prize? There is some thought that go into these stuffs you know. They dont just wake up and give it to the nearest random White men roaming about on the street of Norway.

Indians, Chinese et al have all gotten the prize in hardcore stuffs.


And to your obviously air-head cheerleader, I just SMFH for her.

There are still not that many Chinese and Indian NL. You are prolly mixing up the Japanese scientist who win the prize and referring to them as chinese. The NL is dominated by oyibo especially jewish people.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=697148.msg9278033#msg9278033 date=1317781239]see them. nerds [/quote]Me I am not a nerd I have loads of swag. Infact I ooze swag. But I bet you are not referring to me.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=697148.msg9278007#msg9278007 date=1317780372]British Cameroons technically wasn't part of Nigeria.

Administered with/from Nigeria, but not part of. The Northern part (I guess Adamawa State + some other bits) voted to join Nigeria in a referendum. The southern part voted to join Cameroon.

Their first option would have been outright independence though, I believe.

Nowa Omoigui covers it here: http://www.omoigui.com/the_bakassi_file/[/quote]Yah yah yah, I was just trying to chat Jenifa up, I am not interested in cameroon  

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=697148.msg9277946#msg9277946 date=1317778243]I thought cameroon was an extension of Nigeria. hence it is in west africa. [/quote]It actually was part of nigeria b4.

lol HND. You are never going to enter LBS, try the other one in lagos. 

So who is the father- looks a bit like me

God bless omo odua

Ekt_bear

Stop being racist!!!

WW are the best in the world!

They have no blemishes usually and are not susceptible to being fat.

God bless them

Are you now saying Ben Carson is above average? Or are you saying Nigerian 2:2 graduates are not as smart as Ben Carson? Which is it exactly?

You really are beginning to fall my hand sha. I was initially just trying to pepper up the thread since I was a bit bored but you seem to be confirming everything I basically have stated.

Anyways first things first- Apologies about my trolling and I am not trying to get personal, I just cannot resist Esu when he calls on me to start trouble.

No, I don't have multiple personality disorder.  I kind of admire what you are saying, and that 2:2 deserve a second chance and would have to commend you on your efforts. I personally understand what it is to be down myself. For what its worth, I actually directed an old high school friend mine to your story like 6 months ago because he was thinking of taking a second undergraduate degree because he got a 2:2. I advised him to do a masters and build work experience based on your previous suggestions.

So technically don't take me seriously,   

Now though:

That's very much your assessment. I could tell you for instance, that I had a team lead once, a 2:1 graduate, who had two masters degrees, an engineering masters, and another from INSEAD. Most of the guys who worked with him, locals and foreigners alike, share the opinion that he's one of the stoopidest people they ever worked with. His undergraduate degree was from Nigeria. I could say my assessment is fair as well

In what way, could he at least use an excel sheet? Stoopidity has different levels. I can bet you that I am substantially lowering the bar in terms of stooopidity. As long as this guy is capable of doing basic first year/second year engineering stuff then he is not stoopid in my books. I was referring to an engineer who cannot use excel or who does not know what Gibbs free energy means after 4 years of university. It begs the question of what exactly did you do in 4 years if you dont even know the first year/secondary school fundamentals. When you graduated university and are ignorant of secondary school material what do you really want me to think?

I didn't pick any of those places. I picked a person who happened to go to school and work at those places. And yet you keep saying he was a below average grad.

I never said he was. You are. You are attempting to link the average student at a really elite school in supposedly the most powerful country in the world to the average Nigerian 2:2 grad. At least 95+% of the people who go to Yale would get a first class at a Nigerian university ok?

Dont bring America or Europe or Asia into this. They have set standards that even if you are dumb and you go through their system, you would come out with a little bit of knowledge.

Just like Sefago, you're only making blanket statements based on personal opinion, rather than trying to debate anything. Most of what he was saying was loosely based around 'I met some 2:2 grads and they ought to be shot'. Maybe he needs to check the company he keeps.

Well I have worked in a couple of places in lagos and yes, you basically have to work with everyone from nitwits to decent students. I think my assessment is pretty fair- its not really up for debate because you cant convince me based on exceptions or people with different life situations.

Ben Carson does not make sense. He might have been average in a very very high-ended pool but 2:2 Nigerian graduates are not average in a high end pool. Theoretically, you could transfer a 2:2 graduate to US and they would end up in the same percentile as they are in Nigeria. But in Nigeria, where your competition is really not all that, I am pretty skeptical with regards to this claim:

Forget trying to make comparisons, it's the same scenario that a 2:2 grad would face in Nigeria.

Of all places to pick Yale and Hopkins.

Nothing you put in there even makes sense. You expect me to debate a statement like 'it is moronic to compare Carson's story with that of any Nigerian' with you

Actually it is. Carson was an exceptional case and was born in a very poor neighborhood and faced significant life challenges. Also Carson was accepted during the period when Yale just started Affirmative action. However you neglect the fact that he was a pretty good student but had some issues going on that affected him. This happens to some 2:2 students but in general the average 2:2 grad does not have the same circumstances as Carson.

What is the point of all this, exactly?

Well he did get banned

^^
The truck would be hitting you in Lagos, or maybe even Abuja. Whichever you prefer.
Just remember to ask for the doctor's resume

As I said irrelevant. Doctors who treat accident victims have years of training.

By the way it seems that you want a truck to hit me sha.

That popular black brain surgeon, Carson or what's his name? Didn't he graduate in the lower half of his class at Yale, only to go on to med school at U. Michigan, and end up the youngest paediatric neurosurgery chief in Johns Hopkins?

Did all 2:2 students graduate at the lower half at Yale? Mate, I am talking about Nigeria I just contextualized it for you (face palm). Moreover these are isolated cases that you keep continually bringing up to refute the claim that in general most 2:2 students are nitwits is getting tiresome.

And you guys seem to think this is about somebody. Yeah, it's a little personal, but not really about me. I shared my story, not for your benefit, but for the 2:2 dude who needed a little inspiration. You guys are free to think what you like, it is your mind after all.

Ok, Ok.

Oh, one last edit: to the 2:2 grads, don't mind these guys. Go out there and still give it your best shot. Getting a 2:2 is like losing the first set; the Grand Slam is much longer than just one set. Chin up, and see how you can get back in the game, and get in there with your racket swinging and your head fully in it. You can still get all you want out of life. At the end of the day, both the first class and 2:2 graduate are working for only one thing: money. Every other thing is just so you can feel good and accomplished with yourself.

Aww thats so cute, I am getting all emotional now and weepy   with the victory speech infact I am beginning to touch myself  .

To the 2:2 grads. Congratulations at being massive F/uc/k ups. Unfortunately, the world is built in such a way that you dimwits get a second chance.  Next time get your s/hi/t together and at least try and fake having common sense. Some 2:2 people have managed to do that. However remember for the rest of your life that you screwed up one of the most important steps in your life and that such a screw up will follow you till you die. Do the world a favor and find the closest bridge. You know what to do next.

That would be great!

Okay. I'll leave out all the Nairaland stuff, I assume you're still sore cos I called you a student. Grin No offence there, though I still suspect you are one.

Nah, Why should I be? I just get irritated when people make Nairaland sound like Nature or Science where what you type is validated as word.

But the question was about the relevance of 2:2 graduates to the society. Of course they are relevant, as long as they have some skill or knowledge or ability that is required by some business.

I already acknowledged their relevance. I pointed out that they made good janitors.

Not all businesses need a genius. In many jobs in Nigeria, graduates are not even required per se, just that everybody seems to be a graduate these days. 2:2 actually means average, mind you, and 69% (3.49/5.0) is a 2:2 in Nigeria.

Its really what the percentile is for a 2:2. Its very rare to meet a 3rd class graduate so I think my guesstimate that its less than average is correct? I have met quite a large number of Nigerian 2:2 and they are individually capable of wrecking a company or causing significant damage with a magnitude similar to that of Boko Haram. Usually, I am not vitriolic, but tbh but I have met some really stoopid ones.

While we're at it, what about doctors who don't even have class of degree designation? If you were hit by a truck, tell me you'll be asking the attending in ER what was their class of degree?

Your example is way out there. In all sane countries, the path to being a doctor- and hiring practices for doctors are very rigorous, I will not be asking such questions.

Like I said before, If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs. For example, you could hire some first class dude to work in some R& capacity in Shell, while competent 2:2 can work as a field engineer. By the way, Shell hires 2:2s in Nigeria, even for their SITP program.

Technically, they allow 2:2 people apply, we would need statistics with regards how many employed were 2:2 to buttress your suggestion that they "hire them".

SEFAGO, have you had s3x this week?

No I haven't. That's why I am so grumpy

Voulez vous coucher avec moi? I also do men too (roll eyes)

I want the old SEFAGO back. The more witty and nice and awesome SEFAGO

Dont blame, its just that NL is unique in that you can also be the participant and the judge in a "beauty contest". The participant in the insecure quest for asserting ones opinion, and the judge for justifying the quality of ones contribution. Additionally, justification of the latter tends to be heavily biased towards ones intellectual ability- so average people are impressed when someone gives them information that is pervasive all over the internet if they just make the effort to be proactive. Part of the Nigerian mentality here I guess.

Basically, my point being, NL or what someone writes on NL is not sufficient evidence of ability. So the fact that Ajanlekoko and oyb might "type intelligently" (read that intelligence is indeed quite subjectively defined), does not negate the fact that 2:2 graduates tend to be "bleep-ups". Same way that because bill gates dropped out from college does not mean that every one who drops out of college has a high probability of yielding a multi-billion dollar start up. Or that someone was successful without going to schools. An argument built on exceptions tends to be unconvincing.

AjanleKoko:
It's quite an irony sha. In the same Nigeria where 2:1 vs 2:2 is a major bone of contention for hiring locals, the same industries are chock-full of Indian, Lebanese, Pakistani, Malay, Filipino, and these days even Chinese 'executives' and 'specialists'. I suppose they are all first class and 2:1 grads?

When the financial sector was 'booming', some banks were busy hiring first and 2:1 grads to man front office jobs like teller, and even to go out on the streets for funds canvassing. Now they are hiring OND holders to man the same tills

Let me contextualize this: I am talking about 2:2 graduates in the Nigerian context not with regards to other countries. I am unfamiliar with higher education in India et al. I dont want to talk about other countries because it gets messy. I am also referring to entry-level positions not when someone has built significant experience and maturity. Like for example someone mentioned you give good career advise so as to negate the fact that you got a 2:2: but such knowledge you have with regards from careers in Nigeria is based on experience and maturity not on pure academic ability in its self. Its moreover irrelevant knowledge that is useful only in a forum like Nairaland populated with people too lazy to Google or find stuff by themselves independently assuming of course you do not want to start a career consultancy firm to help fresh graduates. Basically your knowledge is great for 2:2 graduates. Moreover, typing long treatises on Nairaland is not an employable skill or something I value strongly. Any i/d/iot can type and validate their opinions.

I tend to be more impressed with smart, efficient and hardworking people. Usually a 1st class in Nigeria is reflective of that. It means you were top of the curve; it means despite PHCN and all the stress you were able to scale through and are pretty focussed.  

I only know what happens generally in Nigeria. I admit I spoke rashly (well technically I was trolling initially  ), but I also believe that a lot of 2:2 grads got their results based on working less than there are peers. There are going to be a lot of outliers- people from poor homes, people who had some family situation or whatnot, and other things. However exceptions don't provide sufficient evidence for a general rule.

In general, I only have respect for people at the top end of the intellectual curve, 2:2 tells me you have a low chance of being located within such a select group of people. I dont have time for internet gangstas who type career advice online. That's fluff to me.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=756516.msg9120892#msg9120892 date=1315684375]My nig (I don't know him at all personally, but my nig all the same)

TR-35 is pretty damn cool [/quote]LOL at my Nig, major fail at attempts to sound cool.


Anyways why are Yoruba Nigerian people so smart.

ouchexy:
I have followed this argument between davidylan vs AjanleKoko and oyb, with the regular comical interjection of 'Junior' coogar. I think I have been pushed to say my own view.
I think the class system in universities was designed to distinguish students based on intelligence, diligence, hardwork, disciplinee AND consistency. That is why your CGPA starts counting on your first year. During this period of four or five years, students generally have the opportunity to work harder and improve their GPA before graduation. Thus, your class gives a overall/cumulative view of your academic strength in your chosen course of study. Ideally, it will therefore be unreasonable to say a 2.2 graduate is better or even equal to a 2.1 or first class graduate. Both by common sense and reality, 2.2 graduates perform lower than their higher grade counterparts. But of course, there will always be exceptions where 2.2 graduates have performed beyond exceptions. But one can not generalize on such exceptions and make baseless conclusions that 2.2 graduates are equal to 2.1 or 1.1 graduates. This is the point at which I differ with AjanleKoko. 
From what I have read in this thread and other threads dedicated to such class of gradates, 2.2 peeps usually want to live and believe in that illusion that they are (NOT can be) better than their 2.1 or 1.1 graduates to pysch them up psychologically. Sometimes it is easier to live in an illusion to make yourself feel good. But I have always advocated that 2.2 or lower class graduates should face the reality. The reality is that based on their OVERALL academic performance, they are not as good as their 2.1 counterparts but they CAN STILL BE BETTER if they work on themselves and develop themselves. Stop living in falsehood about how one isolated 2.2 peep did better than all other 2.1 or 1.1 peeps. To me, that's just childish mental psych up and consolation. It has its root from inferiority complex. I wish all 2.2 and third class peeps success.

Exactly mate. these guys keep bringing isolated examples of 2:2 students. And talking about their average careers in Nigerian companies like I personally give a s*/hit.

This has nothing to do with me since I did not do University in Nigeria. I am just saying based on the interaction I had with Nigerian 2:2 graduates, I would be loathe to hire them especially engineering graduates.  All these examples of bad 2:1 or first class candidates or the fact that some guy was a college dropout is irrelevant. Yes, some dumb people academically have "great business sense." Kudos to them. However fact remains that the large majority of 2:2 graduates are dimwits. All the nigerian first class graduates I have met have been very good. I have never met a stooopid nigerian first class graduate but i have met a lot of stooopid 2:2 graduates. What do you expect me to conclude? The system might not work but still i am sure its not as bad as people claim it is . . .

I think you guys should Deal with it. Also Corporate Nigeria is very different from other developed countries. i dont know why people are boring me with their jobs in Nigeria like I give a rat-arse. The culture in Nigerian companies is very laid back and most top people in top companies are tbh what I would even consider average. Most Nigerian companies do not have 80-100 hours a week work schedule. most 2:2 graduates who spent all their time lazing about chasing babes would die under an 80 hours a week work schedule which i would have if I started a firm. hence why you guys (class A fuckups with 2:2) could get the 9-5 janitorial jobs. A lot of 2:2 graduates can easily survive in nepotistic nigeria. They would die in a developed country where students are extremely competitive and very hardworking.

Whether I am still a struggling undergrad or a masters students or PhD student or working is irrelevant  . And getting a PhD  does not even mean you are smart really it just means you know how to work hard and are efficient (Well if you have a PhD from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Stanford, berkeley or caltech it probably means most times than not that you are pretty smart but that's top level).

@SEFAGO,

Between Oyb and Becomrihn, who would you  hire if you were hiring?


Oyb with  Lower credit from Ife Vs Becomrich with first class from Ilorin


They are both electrical engineers BTW

Becomrich, No contest. First class and insightful motha fucka with the analytical brain of a genius. It just that no one on Nairaland understands him except me.

AjanleKoko:

You no go follow the Sefago Hiring Methodology?

As I said 2:2 usually means you did nothing in school. the overwhelming majority of Nigerian graduates end up with a 2:2 you are not even bloody average you are below average. If I am running a top level firm why will I hedge my bets on a below average student?

You even has to add a masters to your degree to brush up your knowledge- a first class degree would not need to do that, most first class degree holders are much better than 2:2 grads with masters degrees.

oyb:


thank God sefago no be oga for our company o. i for dey reception in kings guard uniform - 'sir let me see your computer' , or na to dey distribute bday cake

Yes, I said if I was running a company. Anything I touch is gonna be high-level anyways. However theoretically, if I was running a laundromat or a cyber cafe I would have no problems hiring 2:2 grads in "executive" positions. But if I am trying to start a competitive firm, I will not hire such class A fuckups except for menial jobs.

Its all a matter of managerial perspective.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=754330.msg9109852#msg9109852 date=1315532636]Talking about foreign grads. . . . [/quote]I am using a Mac not my usual PC and the S is very close to the D (ASDF) and I type pretty fast. In short its a typo.

By the way, wasn't there a thread about 80% FIRST class Nigerian grads failing some sort of test?

An engineering bud told me that Nigerian schools do not go deeply into their subjects. He said that he laughs whenever he compares the class he's taking now (at a US uni) to the same class he took in Nigeria.

Second class ni o, First class ni o. . . . really, kini difference ni Naija? Even the third class can party along.

The difference is that the first class graduates might be bad but they are relatively better than the second class lower grads.

@ SEFAGO, I think you are wrong with your assessment of 2:2s. You've lost touch man!

I once has the misfortune of interacting with a 2:2 engineering graduate from Nigeria. I was horrendously scarred. I grew dumber every minute I talked to the guy. Guy was an engineer and did not know how to use an excel sheet and was unwilling to learn anything. I have countless stories but I think it would suffice to say 2:2=M/O/R/ON

I don hear am truly. Overpaid janitor like me

Probably took you years to prove yourself. However for your first job, and for anyones first job a 2:2 will be a hindrance. However most Nigerian employers will be more lenient than I am. I have no sympathy for lazy people or people who cannot get their acts together. What you are paid now is irrelevant, you probably lost a lot of income for getting s/h/itty grades. Do a quick ROI on your life earnings and the amount of time you put in school and you would find out that whatever you earned- your mates with first class earned more.

woetooam4j:
Don't mind SEFAGO jare , one day, hopefully,  he'll understand that it's harder to be kind than clever.

I am a pretty nice guy- lemme rephrase- if i ran a family business and wanted to give my lazy relative, a massive fuckup who got a 2:2 a job, I would have no qualms doing so

However, if I am running a proper business, and I want things done and dont want my business to get properly screwed by a lazy dimwit who could not hustle a 2:1, then I would only hire people with such degrees at the janitorial level.

I am talking about the first job- of course when you have proven yourself things are a bit different. An employer only has your university degree to evaluate you when you are first trying to get a job in nigeria

No, I am not a foreign grad, but I have observed your zeal in reminding foreign grads about all the wack ones you have met who are not up to scratch. Putting those posts and the one on this thread together lead to my conclusion. Maybe you have overcome inferiority, or maybe there are still remnants of it. Nevertheless you seem to have done well for yourself, and you are quite useful on this forum. So kudos to you.

I agree too. Ajanlekoko seems overzealous with regards to criticizing foreign grads and complaining about the "wack" ones he has met. Then I can't blame him- foreign grads are kind of overhyped in Nigeria.

But tbh from the little I know of the Nigerian educational system, I would never hire a 2:2 graduate for anything except janitorial work. Most people get 2:2 because they deserved and did less work not because they were "social" or more outgoing. Even the 2:1 and first class graduates in nigeria are still iffy intellectually. Then you now have to scrap the bottom of the barrel, you would be recruiting m/o/rons.

Moreover grades are usually a reflection of your work ethic, not really your intellect, and work ethic is really important in most jobs. A 2:2 indicates that you are lazy or too stoooopid to figure out how to cheat your way to a second class upper.

yeah pourquoi?

80+% of the black people at places like oxbridge are usually Nigerians

ibn hasan:
@ Sefago:

In one of your posts u said University of Alberta waives application fee for Nigerians. I checked their site but there was no mention of anything like that. Please can you explain further. Thanks

That was nearly two years ago I think. They have updated their list and removed nigeria probably

So b like say this thing is gonna actually affect me sha- Is the thing going to reach the DC region??

Aigbofa:
LOL

You dey hold yourself hostage?

Yes Oo, and I promise tp that when i die I will blame hert for my death

I already have the knife ready sha

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=744741.msg9022223#msg9022223 date=1314469572]in a way i suppose.

i didnt really pay much attention to such things since i tend to mix indiscriminately on occasion, but i guess you could be right.

but come to think of it there might have been less interaction than in the maryland area.

not really sure.

then again, arabs generally like mixing more with themselves. Even the black arabs are more at home with other arabs of any colour, than blacks from other parts of the world and especially africa.

my opinion.

i think they're just not so comfortable with other races.

as per the whites in virginia- well virginia is known as the old country or old dominion so that says it all.[/quote]Abeg answer me now, I go kill myself finish ooo

OmoLisabi:
Where have you been all this while? long time

Busy, even now lol. I dont know if this is Fstranger sef or what- man u shuld stick to one name I am kind of getting confused 

buzugee:
bros wetin you chop remain

Just greeting Tp. I dont know why she is ignoring me, no be fight now  . I always thought we had a good relationship going on, some  tiny scraps and what not, but nothing too serious.

Anyways bros u dey for US and you never visited DMV area. You don miss full of Nigerians everywhere like mosquitoes. Sometimes some places feel like lagos.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=744741.msg9021610#msg9021610 date=1314462782]My post was for manny4life[/quote]Nah not so fast, you were talking to me. Yeah I agree with you

Redneck country you call it right? No, it's no redneck country and no gun totting bumpkins as you call it. While VA is a highly republican state; however, we are in the Northern Virginia often called the Commonwealth of Northern Virginia. Yeah we are quite far from Norfolk and West Virginia is another state of it's own, and like@tpia said, those part of VA border to the South while we border to the North of DC and MD. Like most will say, we are in the Metropolitan area (metro area), because we are 10mins away or less from the Capitol or DC Downtown. The Pentagon (U.S. DoD headquarters) is in Arlington VA, so we are not within the area of your description. What is attractive to Northern VA is for several reasons; peace and quietness, if you know your games, you can easily get to meet high profile fellows in the area. Jobs, housing, et al attracts people like me to VA.

NOVA (northern virginia) northern virginia is very different from Southern virginia I have to say.

@ Tpia iyawo me, when are you coming to my house so I can show you something?

[quote author=E-Engineer link=topic=740530.msg8968487#msg8968487 date=1313847993]SEFAGO, your folly has no bounds

i pity you, if you dont have the privilege of knowing the answer just shut your bottomless trap and let exposed people talk[/quote]You lack a sense of humour