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She's looking for attention - give her space, she go relax!

cabali:
U guys are so unwitty, so low with sense of humour damn!!

Brrruuuaaahhhaaaahhhaaaa!!  What sense of humour you've got!

cabali:
And I don't have to give u bible references.

Uh-oh! probably lost his scripts where the references are!

cabali:
All am saying is that if u must do something that christ never indulged in, then get biblie backing because Christ sure did not date when He was here

Okay, here are some 10 things "Christ sure did not indulge in when He was here":

1. He sure did not visit Nairaland when He was here.

2. He sure did not use the internet when He was here.

3. He sure did not produce home video like you when He was here. . . (this your part 4 or 6??)

4. He sure did not use earphones when He was here. . . please don't remove your picture on your profile! (meanwhile, do you have a cellphone that Christ did not use when He was here??)

5. He sure did not excuse Himself with "I don't have to give you bible references" when he was here.

6. He sure did not dodge questions when He was here.

7. He sure did not "cut corners" when He was here.

8. He sure did not assume others have low sense of humour when He was here.

9. He sure did not advise people to be meeting Satan for help when He was here.

10. . . And He sure did not struggle over people's make-up when He was here:

cabali:
i still can't get over heavy make-ups; I just can't

Did I hear you say part 5??  Oga cabali, U too correct!!

@kismat,

Pity that you've been absent for ages on Nairaland. . . we miss you, no be small.

kismat:
No answer? Shame on you then if you believe in Salvation, Jesus died for your sins.

First, how does one begin to answer your tales when you don't even understand it yourself?

Second, it's no surprise that you don't believe in salvation - because Muhammad never did; and yet he had hoped to gain express pass to paradise with 'LL-squared' ('[b]L[/b]adies and [b]L[/b]iquor'). The sad thing is, he trembled at the prospect of dying while he himself sent others to die for 'allah' with the promise of 72 virgins.

And yes, Jesus died for our sins - and yours, too. This confession alone (that Jesus is Lord and he died and rose again) can save you and anyone else from the shame and fear from which Muhammad was unable to free his followers.

@Opia,

opia:
shashan . . . try and go over the article again and this time around be flexible wt your mind dnt be like the pharisees[blocked head and stiff necked],

Nevermind the teasing. . . what can we do without some laughs sometimes??

Okay, to assure you, I'm not blocked head and/or stiff necked. And I carefully went through your article bit-by-bit and found them really unbalanced. Thus, my earlier questions.

I wouldn't really have bothered with your latest entry as m4malik has offered very good and open-hearted reasoning to the point. However, let me share what you really are missing:

opia:
8 Christian baptism is not for everyone.

Jesus ordered his followers: “Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:19, 20)

Before being baptized, people must be ‘taught to observe all the things Jesus commanded his disciples.’ Hence, forced baptisms of those lacking faith based on accurate knowledge of God’s Word are valueless and contrary to the commission Jesus gave his true followers.—Hebrews 11:6.

1. If Christian baptism is not for everyone (all), then it is not for anyone at all. You will not find your idea sustained in God's Word.

2. This verse in your quote already defeats your assumption, because if the Gospel is to the 'people of all the nations' ('all', remember. . .not 'some'), then certainly no one is to be excluded from the blessing offered in that verse. It is either all, or it is for none at all.

3. I don't know about people being 'forced' into baptism. What I do know is that the moment people truly believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, they were offered baptism without much ado. Check out the following:

(a) Stephen didn't hinder the Euthiopian eunuch when he asked for baptism ('what doth hinder me to be baptized'). The evangelists settled the situation by enquiring if the eunuch believed with all his heart as to if Jesus was the Son of God. Upon affirmation of the same, the eunuch was baptized (Acts 8:36-39). Stephen didn't wait for what you term 'accurate knowledge' before baptizing the eunuch.

(b) Pretty much the same thing with Paul. Upon being converted and beleiving on the Lord Jesus Christ, he received no formal classes of accurate knowledge before he was baptized (Acts 9:17-18 ).

I hope you get the drift? I believe that whomsoever has believed and been baptized (without making them 'baptismal candidates') is accepted by God; so it is really inconsequential to denounce such "valueless" as you did earlier.

opia:
It means that the baptismal candidate recognizes our heavenly Father’s office and authority. . . means to recognize Jesus’ office and authority as God’s only-begotten Son. (1 John 4:9) . . . that the baptismal candidates recognize that the holy spirit is Jehovah’s active force, used in various ways . . .

This classic interpretation of JW doctrine in order to deny the declarations of Scripture is hardly new. Denying that the holy Ghost is a divine Person (God Himself), such doctrine makes Him an active force. I wonder then how an active force can do the following:

He can speak (Acts 8:29 & 10:19)

He can be grieved (Eph. 4:30)

He can be insulted (Heb. 10:29)

He can be lied against (Acts 5:3-5)

He teaches (John 14:26 & I Cor. 2:13)

. . . and He has love (Rom. 15:30)

I think it is an insult to Him to speak of Him only in terms of an active force that can be 'used'. However, I'd offer you to go and prayerfully study God's Word in the wisdom which the Spirit gives, and not in man's wisdom of some claiming accurate knowledge of what they neither know nor understand.

Blessings.

Phew!

She got over herself at last. Nice chick!

mrpataki:
When given a dose of your sarcasm in the last previous, you begin to get all grumpy?

Exactly the point.

@mrmayor,

I'm grateful for your response; but I need to point out the vital element you missed in your rejoinder: context.

The word 'beget' or 'begotten' does not always convey the sense men would ordinarilly assume. Abraham 'begat' Isaac is not to be construed in the same sense that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son - otherwise you would be risking the error of Islam that supposes God had a 'wife' to beget a 'Son'!

Even at the time when Abraham already had a son named Ishmael, Heb. 11:17 named his second son Isaac as his only begotten son! Now, when you consider the context in which Isaac was called Abraham's only begotten son (even though the patriarch had an older son), you discover that God was there referring to Isaac as 'the only one of that particular kind'. That is, Isaac may not have been the only son Abraham had at the time; but he definitely was the only one among all Abraham's sons that the promise referred to! Among all the sons of Abraham, it was only in Isaac that you'll find the promise: ". . .in Isaac shall thy seed be called" (Heb. 11:18-19). Just one context in which 'only begotten' is used.

As used of the Lord Jesus, the inspired apostle John reported that when they beheld the glory of the Logos who was made flesh, it "the glory as of the only begotten of the Father" (John 1:14). This simply means that the Logos (Jesus Christ) who became flesh was 'the only one of the kind of exactly who the Father was' in His essence - the Logos was essentially the same kind as what the Father was - God.

This is why I have no problems at all with Jesus own declaration in John 14:9 that, he who had seen Him had seen the Father. If no man had seen God (i.e., the Father) at any time, it was the Son Himself who came to declare Him (John 1:18). It was the only begotten Son (the only One who is exactly what the Father was) that came to declare Him.

'Only begotten' or 'begotten' as used of Jesus does not mean the same thing as was used of men 'begetting' (siring) childrren. It is rather more descriptive of His essence than of anything that presupposes Jesus had a beginning.

Bless!

Radiant, no vex. I'm not really against you and sometimes my responses are quite jocular. Maybe the last one didn't sound like it, but if you read how I 'played' with cabali, you can't miss the point.

I felt your earlier lines quoted in my response was a bit out of place to have referred in broad terms that those who are dating as deceiving God Himself - which just does not square with godliness at all. We are all reasonable. . . alas!!

Radiant:
Hey listen, quit your crap now and mind your business before this topic turns into another discussion.

After you quit yours and mind yours, we'll fall back to topic.

Happy Sunday.

glessor:
I cannot judge them but all I know is that this is just one way people are trying to understand their existence and purpose - not different from Christianity, Islam and the other religions.

Sorry, but that simply is not true. Grail Message is different and not like Christianity nor Islam.

Radiant:
That you a hypocrite and fake Christian?

. . . because dating is the same thing as 'deceiving God' when you're trying to play God?

Guys, make una wait small. . . where's scientist researcher engineer uncle Olabowale??  He may at least be right about this 'long beard' theory - it's just that we didn't see it!

The key perhaps lies in the question: "S.R. Engr. Uncle 'Wale, how 'long' must someone's long beard be in order to carry the theory through??"  Maybe 'Hairgrow' or 'Vaseline' will help?

Summary:

God's promises of His "firsts" stand firm for believers:

1. He made us the firstfruits of His creatures (James 1:18)

2. We have the firstfruits (best part) of the Spirit (Rom. 8:23)

3. God can be depended on throughout the years of our lives if we truly seek first His Kingdom (Matt. 6:33) and make Him number one in all things (Matt. 22:37-38).

Well, I would say that people have different reasons for being in any Forum; and perhaps, the originator of this thread sincerely invited sensible contributions to what he may or might not have understood.

I have learnt in no small measure by everyone's contribution, even where we are not all agreed on several subjects. One thing, though, is that Jesus Christ is Lord - and that is something that no Christian denies.

Amen. Bless!

mrmayor:
One question that has been on my mind for a long time is this

1.If Jesus was at the very beginning;was HE created by God and they both created the universe or did they both just appear from nowhere and Jesus assumed the role of a Son?

The 'beginning' in the Greek construct does not indicate that Jesus as the Logos had a beginning or that God 'created' Him. He always ever was with the Father.

@Bobbyaf,

When you set yourself as judge over others and dodge questions under the guise of "irrelevant" and "totally off the mark", it speaks volumes to the point already made that you really have no answers or simply can't read.

My questions should serve to the effect that I did not agree with your inferences; and I've offered informed reasons thereto. If you found them "unkind" and thought I was "smearing" you because questions were asked about your 'denom' SDA, then grow up and try not coming to a public forum to smear others first and be unkind to them. Otherwise, I find your whining irrelevant and totally off the mark.

@Bobbyaf,

Oh child, I wish you grew up a bit and get to know yourself.

Donzman:
WHY DO YOU GUYS FEEL THE NEED TO RIDICULE OR DISPROVE ANOTHER RELIGION TO PROVE THAT YOURS IS RIGHT?. . .

I'm sorry we let you down. But when our dear friends like belloti labour over "Why Christianity Is Wrong" and also tries to ridicule others, we only served him 'cocoa-butter' to show him that it was not meant as 'blue-band' to be put on bread (because of the word 'butter' in 'cocoa-butter')! 

Translation of my proverb: it's no laughing stuff when muslims ridicule others but can't stand their own exercise.

Aye bro. . . and I still stand in awe of his Ali Baba patience, believe me!

babs787:
GO THROUGH THE WHOLE VERSE ABOVE AND TELL IF THERE’S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE ABOVE VERSE

This is what I find in the whole verse:

"Quran 4v34: men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has make one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property). As to those women you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (Lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance), surely Allah is ever Most High, Most great."

Nevermind the supplied words in brackets, if babs787 doesn't know what it means to beat a wife, he has a mind less than human. Apart from what that verse has become to Afghanistan women where Islam rules, this reminds me of one such case where this abuse was effected in the presence of this prophet:

Ishaq:496
"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, ‘Tell the Apostle the truth.'"

Just one of those small practical effects of that 'wunnaful' verse.

babs787:
IF ANYTHING IS WRONG PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE FROM YOUR BIBLE. BETTER STILL, PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE FROM YOUR BIBLE THAT TELLS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH AN ILL-CONDUCT WOMAN TO BUTRESS YOUR ABOVE QUOTE.

Colossians 3:19
"Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them."

1 Pet. 3:7
"Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered."

Maltreating your wife can hinder your prayers, because God will not stand by and tolerate the maltreatment of a woman who is a joint-heir of the grace of life.

There you have it. . . babs787, are you still waiting??

Whatz wrong now. . .?? No part 4 or sequel to the home video on dating??

Abi make we still wait until the world first comes to an end??

@Donzman,

Donzman:
If all three of them were one, couldn't Jesus have easily said. . . Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of God?. . . It's verses like that that make me wonder!

Appreciate your rejoinder, Donzman. As I intimated earlier, that would be putting words in Jesus' mouth: and I'm not one to do so.

Secondly, He actually did say that believers are to be baptized in the name ('name' singular; not plural 'name[b]s[/b]') of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. He did not say what we want Him to say; and it is up to us to carefully consider what He did say.

Perhaps, you need to think through this: if Jesus was merely 'a god' as Opia offers us, why would we need to be baptized in His name as well as of the Father and of the Holy Ghost? Or, put another way: what form of paganism would you be offered as a Christian if someone interpreted Matt. 28:19 to you as to be baptized "in the name of God, and of a god, and of the Holy Ghost"?? You may be strongly persuaded that Jesus was 'a god'; so, let me ask you your own question: couldn't Jesus have easily said: ". . . Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of God, and of a god?. . ." Would you still call that Christianity?

Do you connect the dots now?

@Opia,

So, in your summation, Jesus is not God? Well, I have a few questions for you to think through (you're not obliged to answer them if you don't want to):

*** Who was speaking in Revelation 22:12-13?

*** If Jesus was merely 'divine', or 'a god' but not 'God', what does that say about you - that you acknowledge several 'gods' in your faith: one being the Father (the God), and the other being the Son (a god)?

*** (because of a lack of an article in the second 'theos' in John 1:1), If Jesus was only 'divine' but not 'God', have you compared this principle with the rest of the Bible and assured yourself that it applies exactly the same?

I would really appreciate your answers to any one of these, especially the third one, if you may. Many thanks.  

omot208:
what i want to ask is, if from all the posts i am to accept that Jesus and God are equal, where does that leave the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit has always been there, but you didn't take the time to read the relevant Bible texts.

omot208:
all those times Jesus said "i and my Father are one", why didnt he include the Holy Spirit in the equation?i.e I, my Father, and the Holy Spirit are one?

I submit that in the first place, you would be trying to put words in Jesus' mouth. But to guarantee you, if I may acquiesce to your pun of "the equation", may I ask if you forgot what He said in matt. 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"?? Could He have recommended that "equation" if the Holy Ghost was not in the divine Trinity?

To rest your heart, I don't count as one to pick holes; but if I'm persuaded that someone has made uninformed inputs, there's nothing stopping anyone from underlining those presuppositions and airing their views or counter claims, abi?

babyosisi:
when asked why he(Mo) asked his followers to marry not more than 4 wives and Mo had multiples of 4 women to himself including captured slave girls,a forumite said,he was helping out the female folk to even out the large female population and olabowole added that it was the fantasy of every man.

Pity. . . hope uncle Olabowale is not "pedo"-ing his underaged daughter (much less his neighbour's, if he himself has no underaged kid).

babyosisi:
when asked why a muslim woman would be stoned to death for adultery and rape and the man set free,bellotti says it's easier to convict women in such cases than men.

At least, belloti was proving himself a true muslim, following the steps of Muhammad who taught exactly that idea! See:

Qur'an 24:6
"And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth."

babyosisi:
When asked why Muslims were cruel to the women folk and are treated as second hand citizens and property in Muslim countries,they say it is an arab culture not Islam(go figure)

Tabari VIII:62 Ishaq:496
"Ali [Muhammad's adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'"

This is Christianity is wrong, but Islam is right?? Well, belloti. . . you're a true Muslim, and we would like you to come to Mo's rescue here!

mukina2:
look say whatever you like . .
i dnt care . .mister

Awww. . . so sweet, especially when you lie!!

Another one for you, belloti:

belloti:
11. They pray for righteous wives (and women pray for righteous husbands) and children:

They pray for God to grant them righteous spouses and children who are a coolness for their eyes, and bring about peace and satisfaction to their souls. They pray that their spouses and children help them on their journey towards Heaven and not be a burden. The Prophet (PBUH) mentioned in a Hadeeth that the joy of this world is a righteous wife. Spouses support each other and they are the cornerstone of any family. Thus, a righteous spouse will help you face the difficulties of this world, resist its temptations, and raise, God willing, righteous children.

Let's visit some of the sources (including the Hadeeth) that reveal Muhammad's true views about "righteous wives" and children:

Qur'an 24:6
"And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth."

Tabari IX:113
"Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."

Ishaq:584
"Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."

Qur'an 33:59
"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."

Tabari I:280
"Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

This is how Muhammad sees women, nevermind how he treated children. Does he qualify as one of the "Servants of Allah, Most Merciful"?

Others to follow soon.

ThiefOfHearts:
Apparently I know now in a way she's amused by most of what is said, so I guess she's fine.

. . . You guess she's fine especially when she's cutting-and-pasting and lying about it, abi?

Is that all you have for part 3, cabali?

When you understand what dating actually is, then I will teach you both English and the Word.

cabali:
If the world ends before the part 2, where will u be with your date?

My dear, I didn't know you had a part 2!! 

Good that the world did not end before your shallow part 2, though. Let me show you how 'shallow' it was:

According to you, everyone who dates is a sinner, abi?

cabali:
. . . in summary, leave dating for sinners,

What else in your movie is for sinners?

According to you, Christians who are dating are actually dancing with the devil, not so?

cabali:
Well, better I know nothing than for y'all that know everything but have the devil laughing at your backs for doing what he has as plan for getting into the church and for dancing on ignorance!

And according to you also, if you don't like what other Christians are saying, they are deceiving God Himself, abi?? In other words, you can play 'God' because you don't like "these people", abi?

Radiant:
Cabali, happy new year jare. No mind these people. Trying to decieve even God Himself

And when Radiant helped your pet project with the above, you responded with the cue to "cut corners"!

Na wah! Your movie shallow, no be small. 

Abeg, what of part 3? When you go release that one??

Well, what more can i say?