₦airaland Forum

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So which people of repute are enforcing the laws on one ways in Lagos?

One of the best electrical cables to use are Made in Nigeria ones (You can ask around). So which people of repute ensured that these cables are manufactured up to standard?

Suddenly, we don't have air crashes like before again. Which people of repute did FAAN hire to keep these checks in place?
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LASTMA for one. Atleast you don't see them often in the media for being as money grovelling as the Police.

I won't know about that. It's not my field. But I'm sure S.O.N is doing a good job in that aspect.

Airplane crashes is extreme. Let's start with delayed flight, without apology to the customer, lost of luggage, genuine bad attitude from airline customer care reps.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]But the law is still there. It hasn't changed

So why are you using it as an example?

Laws that work is what makes a society sane.[/color]

laws don't work, laws are enforced and those who enforce it are people of repute, people that are devoid of religious and tribal sentiment.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So after people talked and contributed on twitter, what happened next?

Lagos State government changed the law, baa?

Bros, pick one side. You are trying to be herr and there[/color]

of course they bad mouthed LASG and say whatever, like they're use to doing. It is among the things they will use to paint LASG bad....

I already picked a side.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Nowhere did i mention Obi in my quotes to you. I wonder why it is coming up.

Rufai used the lane because he knew the laws were weak, and the institutions were not strong (he had the option of calling the governor in his mind, to override the law)

Let the law be forfeiture of vehicle if you pass the BRT lane. Let the government use people as examples, including people in power

Then come back and tell me if Rufai or Ikedia will have the balls to pass that lane in his lifetime.
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exactly what I'm saying. Knowing the laws are weak, yet you still do the right thing. Not break the law and start claiming to be a saint when you're far from it.

In this country, obeying the law and doing what is right will make people see you as a fool.

Come to think of it, Lagos state government have started impounding vehicles of traffic offenders. I remember the case of one guy who broke traffic law, his vehicle was auctioned only for Twitter users to start calling for people to make contributions to him to help him buy another vehicle.

Bros abeg make we leave matter for matthais.

DissTroy:
Oh. Antecedence matters. And for Tinubu, it''s shrouded in secrecy.

funny how you ignored the post of me being sober. Your psychoanalysis won't work on me this time bro.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are making my point for me

Laws are what keeps us in check..

Despite the laws in the US, they behave this way, but you expect 200 million people to automatically change without laws?

You sef, check am naa[/color]

of course, laws keeps us in check, 200 million people won't change overnight because they're so use to living and breaking the law.

Imagine Rufai Oseni, who drove on BRT lane harassing an police officer and threatening him with calling the governor. Kindly note, he's a coded Peter Obi supporter oh.

Would he have even apologized if he wasn't codedly told to do so. Abegi bros leave matter.

DissTroy:
Shaqfu is the classic Devil's Advocate. He enjoys going against a crowd even if his direction is heading off a cliff, and argues mostly for that sake - arguing.

It's not farfetched to posit he's lounging in a bar this minute with both his legs on a high table and beer bottles all over.

Ask him the same questions tomorrow and he'd shift grounds.

Joe, how many bottles are you on now? Be honest with me.

I've been sober since my last Nairaland duel.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]99% of humans are confined by laws. I am wondering why he would expect 200 million people to be different

This is the Almighty USA. Just few days of the breakdown of law and order, they automatically turned to burglars and thieves.[/color]

Yet even with the laws in the US, Congress was invaded by people who in a way, are not different from NANS, who went to prevent people from traveling in the airport.

Hmmm

DissTroy:
Yet you haven't been nosy enough to know anything about Tinubu's childhood but instead keep stealing teenage pictures of other people as passing it off as your candidates.

Put your nosiness to good use, Shaqfu. Where exactly was Tinubu born? What primary and secondary schools did he attend? What are his siblings' !names?

Do some good with your nosiness. Get these details and put them behind a paywalled site like Subtrack and you'd make money. Be determined.

Personally. I don't care if a man if from Mars, as long as he has shown me he is capable and can provide me with an enabling environment for me to do business and live without looking over my shoulder.

DissTroy:
I'm an optimistic realist, not an idealist.

There's a workable pragmatic approach to Nigeria's problems.

First we have corruption and income generation issues.

Oil is still our top 2 source of income. Only 17% of drilled oil is accounted for. A determined President would ensure NNPC functions and those lost oil loopholes are blocked.
That solves corruption and increased GDP.

and who think the people who are behind those oil leakages will be happy with you? Especially when you know they're members of you political party and they pull more than enough political weight to make your presidency fail.

Next is ensuring strong institutions. Why are politicians jailed for corruption released in months? Why do Yahoo boys get 6 months imprisonment but a hungry man who stole ogbono soup jailed for 3 years. Strong institutions.

institutions that have been compromised?

If not for Onnoghen's removal, would we have known judges can be bribed?

A determined president would ensure a welcome policy like the Whistle Blower policy of GMB doesn't die. That's help cut corruption.

But we don't need a determined president according to you.

yes of course, after blowing the whistle, your details will be released and those whom you blew the whistle on will come avenging. Kindly note the police won't come to your rescue. They might even tell you they don't have fuel in their Hilux to use to come to your aid.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are just here and there sir.

You have identified the problem we have as porous laws, and you are still asking how anybody can enforce it.

So, the people will wake up one morning and start paying electricity bills without tampering with the meters? This is laughable.

Remove the laws in UK and US, and they will bypass anything and cut corners.

I don't know if I am an idealist, but your solution can never work anywhere on earth. Maybe in another planet, though[/color]

abegi. So how do you think our laws can be enforced?

Donjazet2:
Good, so who elects the legislature? Is it not the masses who elects the legislature?

And I am telling you that the reason we have terrible politicians is because the vast majority of the masses so not care about democracy or elections and it's importance.
I can almost swear that more than half of the readers of my post right now have never voted for any politician before.

Not knowing just how powerful the politicians are and how powerful they themselves as individuals are in deciding who gets elected.

well, one way or the other, we are somehow saying the same thing.

DissTroy:
Just because I post my pictures or I have my phone and WhatsApp number up, and my portfolio doesn't mean I want to share my itinerary.
Even on Facebook, I don't share my itinerary or people I hobnob with. I barely ever even post pictures with people or tag them if I ever do. Nor do I mention new adventures I am up to. And I never respond to personal or invasive questions even on the comments posted on my posts.

Focus on the topic which is the 2023 presidential election and the candidates running for office. That's the topic. Don't get too nosy.

You know me well to know getting nosy is my stock in trade. I deal with specifics, first hand experience and the likes.

Donjazet2:
So simple question, who are in charge of setting or making the laws that make society better?

the legislature make the law, the executive enforce it.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]And the bolded is what a determined president needs to fix.

That is what Disstroy has been saying to you.

Laws are what makes a society sane. Isnt it funny that the Nigerian that would by-pass his prepaid meter here, would gladly pay his electricity bill in the UK?

The Nigerian that would opt for sorting lecturers here, would study hard abroad?

Did he just change overnight? Nope. He just switched to another country with laws

We saw how the protest in the US for the slain black guy turned into another End Sars (I can't remember the guy's name again)

A whole US, and people were robbing and burgling stores.

A determined president will enforce laws. When laws are enforced, people will gladly fall in line[/color]

Lmao. How will a determined president fix our porous laws?

Is the determined president responsible for making our porous laws? Once again, how will he fix it? By enforcing it? Once again, how will he enforce it when the agencies that are suppose to enforce the laws are corrupt to the brim.

In Nigeria, when laws are enforced, Nigerians groan and lament. They complain and attach religious and tribal sentiment to it.

So tell me, is it this police force, that is full of illiterates and halfwits, who expect to enforce laws?

Izzou, you and disstroy are idealists and idealists don't prosper in Nigeria.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If there are no laws, how do you expect anybody to put anything aside?

Any country that you admire has its citizens confined to laws. They did not wake up to put anything aside. The laws confined them to do so.

I have been trying to understand your point, and that was why i mentioned you.

If this is your opinion of a better country, it is not possible IMO, even in the US and UK[/color]

That is among the issue. Our laws are porous, easily twisted and thwarted. It is among the things that is causing problems.

I'm sure, as you are sure, the countries we admire have religious laws enshrined in their constitution?

The countries we admire, their laws are enforced, devoid of sentiment or any religious or traditional attachment. In Nigeria, it is totally different...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If a determined president cannot fix Nigeria, what exactly will fix it?[/color]

We the people. When we put aside our petty and nonsense difference and decide for ourselves we want a country that works, one which we and our children that will come after us will be proud of.

DissTroy:
19; 12 GMT

18: 02 GMT

16:38 GMT

Same person, same day. All within 4 hours.

Here you have it, folks. If you must drink, please drink responsibly. And if you do, don't type.

you still didn't say where you visited in Anambra bro. Don't deviate. State the obvious and forget about revealing too much. If you can post your picture to buttress a point, why can't you give specifics, eh?

I reiterate. Nigeria isn't China. A determined president who wants to fix this country will end up causing problems, especially with the way our constitution is.

I wonder when causing problems now translate to causing disaster. You obidient lot really like twisting people's words and giving your own interpretations.

DissTroy:
In other words, if you want to lead Nigeria don't be determined to end or reduce corruption or fix the problems because you'd cause more problems?
Alright, Contradictus.

nope. You're the one saying this. Anyone who wants to fix Nigeria will first be determined to know how to tackle the problems from grassroot by building bridges and uniting people from all across the country, so his actions won't seem like his has hidden agendas. That person is Asiwaju.

I don't have to answer at the risk of giving away too much but in 2012 and 2013. It's the same reason I had to be in Trans-Amadi, Port Harcourt and Aba - I needed a mech engineering company for a custom design which formed a prototype. Most had closed down in Anambra and Aba so I settled for the one in Port Harcourt still manufacturing then. I got a referral to them from Anambra.

whatever happened to we moving beyond being faceless?

You mentioned Trans-Amadi in PH but you didn't mention the place you visited in Anambra, and you don't want to give away too much info?

Just because you dislike Obi doesn't mean you should shit on the state totally. Anambra was leading in national and international competitions during Obi's time. Top in WAEC too. I guess that is also on paper.

Actually I don't dislike him, I just don't know him well enough to vote for him. After his tenure as governor, he went cold and wasn't even heard of, it wasn't until Atiku picked him to run with him he started being famous among people who don't know their left from their right, same can't be said for Asiwaju, who has been on the fore front battling since 1992.

Genghis Khan murdering 40 million people is just an allegation too. I agree.

ah well, as at when Genghis Khan walked this earth, murdering 40 million people wasn't a crime was it? I wouldn't know. LoL.

ashewoboy:
The dick is powerful.

If he is toxic and his dick game is 100, she will go back.

That is the summary of what is written there.

don't forget money and reckless spending also.

DissTroy:
Joe, don't drink and type. Leave the beer parlour, go home, get sober, and we'd discuss this part in the morning. Don't rinse your mouth with that liquor before coming online either.

yeah right, I've heard it all before.

I agree even though nobody was fingered in particular for her murder.

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My point exactly! A determined GCFR would have stopped BH in their tracks. But you claim a determined President is a disaster. So according to you, GEJ being determined to end the problem caused more problems? You've had enough shots for today. Tell the barman to stop serving you more drinks.

I never said or claimed a determined president is a disaster. I said a determined president who wants to stop corruption and the abysmal turn the country is taking will cause more problems. There's a difference, a big difference.

Gej caused problems because he was inept. He wanted to please everybody and ended causing problems everywhere. Determined was something Gej isn't.

More pointedly when Obi was in office? Yes. And Anambra went from 26 in education to 1 under him.

Give us date and time. Give us location, not just 'yes'.

Anambra went from 26 to number 1 under him in education. That's on paper. I don't live in Anambra, all I know for sure is, I've seen students in Anambra and damn!.

And why are you always shying away from asking questions about financial misappropriation? Let's compare Tinubu and Obi on a thievery scale. Or let's compare Obi and any of his peers on that same scale.

Our problem is mainly corruption, right? Now let's compare the candidates based on corruption.

if we compare based on corruption you will only throw allegations everywhere and allegations arent facts.

All what you've been saying about Asiwaju are allegations, not one fact, just allegations thrown by the people's opinions of social media. Period.

DissTroy:
The irony of downplaying intelligence (sound mind) and carriage as a requisite for leadership just to justify your support for a cognitively-impaired unhinged candidate like Tinubu.

anybody can be intelligent, even a local dog can be intelligent. Once again, intelligence isn't synonymous to being a good leader.

I still wonder why you call Asiwaju a thief when he hasn't been arrested, trialed or even convicted by a court of law.
True. I agree. Osama Bin Laden and Deborah's killers were never arrested or tried so aren't guilt of 9/11 and homicide respectively.

they willing admitted to commiting those crimes so they are guilty. This is not the same with you calling Asiwaju thief continuously.

A determine Nigerian president will only end up causing more problems than he can solve.
Another irony because you're one of those who termed GEJ "Clueless" for not being determined enough to tackle issues head-on.

didn't GEJ cause problems? Wasn't in GEJ tenure Boko Haram developed wings and started wrecking havoc on Nigerians?

Oh the irony!
Joe, you need a new moniker - create one called "Contradictus". It's fitting and has a ring to it. Shaq fu doesn't fit your persona.

you're only saying I'm contracting myself because you readily don't want to understand what I'm saying, even though I know you do.

Tell me Kay, have you been to Anambra state before?

DissTroy:
Joe, you're confused. It's just bad I can't go vituperative on you because you're my guy.

This was your last comment.

I know what my last comment was, I wrote it didn't I. What I meant was politics is not about values, ethics and the likes.

I also buttressed it by saying it's not just the economy that takes a nose dive whenever a new president is sworn is, values, ethics, morals and the likes also take a nose dive.

That Osinbajo is the best read of the lot, very intelligent, and thnks on the spot, improvising intelligently without prepared speeches, is enough reason to vote him in. He has no baggage too and the first VP/deputy in 12 years without an embezzlement allegation.

From a Nigerian perspective, Osinbajo would have been our closest answer to Obama in carriage and intelligence. A Pres. Osinbajo bantering on the world stage is one everyone of Nigerian root would have been proud of.

and how exactly did Obama fair with all his carriage and intelligence? Having carriage and being intelligent isn't synonymous with being a good leader.

No, it's because Obi isn't a thief and he's the best proven administrator of the top 3.

of course Obi isn't a thief. He hasn't been convicted by a competent court of law.

Obi being a proven administrator is something I didn't see when I visited Anambra when he was governor of the state. The state looked. Like something from a Hollywood horror movie.

I still wonder why you call Asiwaju a thief when he hasn't been arrested, trialed or even convicted by a court of law.

I have also pointed put that we lose a lot to wastage. Obi is that drain plug.

hmmm. You think curbing wastage will solve Nigeria's problems?

China gpt better immediately they got a determined President. If your boss at work insists on punctuality and punishes absence from work, everyone would sit up.

that is China, not Nigeria. Nigeria and China are two different country.

A determine Nigerian president will only end up causing more problems than he can solve. Running a country is way different from running your private company.

DissTroy:
Shaqfu, if you had ethics, values and morals, and you really want Nigeria to be better, you wouldn't want a sickly senile old public-treasury usurper like Tinubu to be president of 200 million people.

If Nigeria worsens or remains the same, it's because of devious people like you who think our collective destinies as a country is worth nothing more than an envisaged fleeting satisfaction of "I told you Obi wouldn't win".

it's the same way you trolled after Buhari won in 2015 against our pleas but by 2016, you were regretting; and 2017, you were cursing out at Buhari.
Did the fleeting satisfaction of having one over I or Trûckpûsher, your then politics section adversaries, save you from the hardship Buhari brought with him as his supporter?

You're doing it again!

my main man. This is not about ethics, morals or values or whatever, it is about interest, this is what politics is about. You said it yourself, you would have thrown your full weight behind Osinbajo, if he had emerge APC flag bearer because he is a strong advocate of the tech industry, now that reads so much like interest, and you even said it that you support Peter Obi because amongst the candidates, he's most likely the one who will support the tech industry, so bro what's all this morals, values and what not?

Politics is about interest. It is about who gets what, when and how. (Lasswell) that is interest, not about morals, values and ethics.

If Nigeria gets worse or 'badder' than this, it will not be because of who sits in Aso Rock, it will be because of Nigerians who can't obey simple rules and regulations. Nigerians who abuse public institutions and treat it with disdain. Nigerians who break traffic law and defend it, Nigerians who are friends with nepotism and tribalism, Nigerians who are religious bigots and zealots. Nigerians who benefit from the current abysmal state the country is in etc. Simply put, Nigerians are the reason Nigeria is the way it is. Obi, Atiku, Moghalu, Asiwaju won't work magic, things will only get worse.

That is how it has been since 1999.

Now you say Asiwaju is senile, sickly and a usurper, tell me bro, when did you get a medical degree for you to arrive at that conclusion?

It's the same way you said Asiwaju is a thief, come on bro, come on...

DissTroy:
I'm not going to discuss trustworthiness and accountability with a Tinubu supporter, the biggest thief running in this election.

The same one whose biggest achievement according to you was patching poteholes which turned out to be untrue or partly true as they went back to disrepair in a few weeks.

No way. Credible supporters please!

Can you prove Tinubu is a thief? Can you prove Tinubu was trialed and convicted and sentenced to jail by a court in Nigeria, or anywhere else?

Just to clear the air, I never said Tinubu's greatest achievement was patching potholes, my posts are there for anybody to peruse and see. This is what many of you who support Peter Obi is good at, twisting words and making allegations you can't prove up and down.

I'm sure if Asiwaju decides to sue you for defamation, your cohorts will rush to support you and accuse Asiwaju of bullying you bla bla bla.

And just so you know, there's no such thing as 'credible supporter' we only have supporters. Period.

thisweekng:
https://thisweekng.com/2023/01/06/gov-wike-gives-the-commissioner-24-hours-to-start-the-road-project-or-risk-being-fired-video/

Men honestly if Wike had won the PDP primaries, I'll have voted for him wholeheartedly. I like the man. He says it the way it is, no time to sugarcoat.

Ishilove:
God knows I'm anti-gay, but I don't support killing or physically attacking them. Have them arrested and prosecuted for flaunting this cross dressing bullshit or trying to shove their perversion down our throats, but no, I will never support them being harmed. These people have families, for heaven's sakes

best if all, they are human beings.

Spy360:
So what's your solution because there has to be one.

there is always a solution to every problem, the solution might not be known, but it is there, waiting for whoever needs it, to see it.

Now as regard Nigeria, we Nigerians need to get our head out of our asses. We need to stop believing the system is there for us to abuse it, and use it for our benefit and that of our families.

Laws need to be enforced, penalties need to be put in place, Nigerians need to see that the system works and whoever is found wanting, will listen to the music, no matter who you are. Our religion needs to take a billion step backward and out of maters of state. Our tribal affiliation needs to be tune down, in short, tribalism and nepotism should be a capital offense, and whoever is found guilty, should be sent to 30 years in prison.

Best of all, that aberration we call the 1999 constitution, needs a complete overhaul. Nigeria should come first, not our tribe or religion.

FBS:
Yes we do. It's how it works in every country. It's how they are able to maintain a working system. Without the strict laws in place and adhered to nothing works. Nothing.

so the strict law and system we have in place, is it being adhere to?

Segedinho:
can't call you a pessimist but just point out who isn't corrupt.??.

well I'm not. Please don't generalize.

Human by default are corrupt and would go for a fast and easy link,/way to get what they want and only the system can quash that urge....

of course. This is how we support corruption, Saying exactly what you just said. Do we really need a system in place to stop us from being corrupt

It lies in the hand of the gov to make a strict law or put in a working system to restrict the corrupt act..

Saying something cannot work is just being in d dark .....

if that strict law is put in place, I'm telling you Nigerians will react negatively to it, and say the government is hunting them, while the government is enjoying the same thing it is hunting them for.

Nigerians like to make silly excuse to justify their corrupt habit.

DissTroy:
But isn't Peter Obi already underrated?

His detractors have said:
-He has no structure.
- He's no godfather who has politicians knowtowing to him.
- An LP-less NASS would frustrate him.
-The old guard would frustrate him.
- Northerners would always make a Southern President's tenure hellish for him.

We already know what he'd be up against.

But we also know he's not a thief. And given the monies and resources stolen daily in this country, if we block the drainpipe, we'd have enough money to fix a number of things. Like settle ASUU and fund education properly to begin with.

First, we want to make sure a thief doesn't get to Aso Rock this time and the only person who does has no embezzling tag on him.

yeah right. Yet he was fingered in the Pandora scandal. I heard that.

nihilistjnr:
There's literally no way that a Peter Obi presidency can live up the expectations some of his fans are heaping on his head.

I don't believe he will win, but I believe if he does, he would wish he hadn't, and Obidients will have to deal with the shock of reality.

As a politician, it is always better to be underrated than overrated. If you don't curb your enthusiasm and manage your expectations, you will be in for a rude awakening.

I take no pleasure in saying this.

bro he will fail. His failure will be monumental. There's absolutely nothing Peter Obi, Atiku or Tinubu can do. The salvation of Nigeria rest on the hands of Nigerians. The same Nigerians who see it as their God given right to misbehave and disobey rules and regulations with reckless abandon.

Did you notice how not just the economy, but our values, ethics and morals always take a nose dive anytime a new president is sworn in?

Things will only get worse because the mind of the average Nigerian is corrupt beyond redemption and the system that is suppose to prevent that corruption has been corrupted by Nigerians.