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When allegations of falsification are made, it must be proved beyond reasonable doubt

The petitioners need to provide two sets of results one genuine and the other false.

The petitioner indicated at the pre-hearing session it will call 50 witnesses but ended up calling only 13 witnesses

Out of the 13 witnesses, only 3 witness statements is in line with the petition.

larride:
So why exactly were they harassing Chicago State University online?

Doing PDP work

Oasis003:


OBJ legendary Lawyer....................LMFAO

Lol

Irev is not a collation system " iREV is to give the public a view of the election results on Election Day. - Court

INEC is at liberty to prescribe the manner with which election results should be collated. INEC is not mandated to electronically transmit or transfer election results.

For the purposes of the Presidential Election, the constitution states that the entire country is a SINGLE constituency.

A vote in Sokoto is equal to a vote in Abuja is equal to a vote in Lagos.

On the allegations made by the LP that President Tinubu was not qualified to contest in view of the $460k fine in relation to narcotics charges in the US, the court held that trial and conviction by a court is the only way to prove guilt.

The case was a civil forfeiture case as it is a unique remedy which rests on the property being the target and not the person.

The case was in the civil docket of the United state north district court Illinois.

No dissenting judgements.

This will be the first in the history of Nigeria presidential Election petition where judgement is unanimous.

Just go to show how weak and nonsense the petitioner case was.

The courts say that Labour Party did not challenge the education qualification of President Bola Ahmed Tinubu hence the documents tendered are not relevant.

LP's prayer that Peter Obi be declared winner is incompetent and hereby struck out....

BREAKING: Tribunal Dismissed Petition of Peter Obi/LP on 25% of FCT required to wins Presidential election, the court rule that FCT Citizens Doesn’t enjoy special privileges ahead of other States.

The claim by the Labour Party concerning the blurred 18,088 results sheets is unfounded as the party ought to have agents at every polling unit who will have a copy of the result sheet.

~Justice Abba Mohammed

It is unimaginable that a petitioner will allege widespread rigging in 176,000 Polling units, over 8,000 wards, 774 LGAs, 36 States and FCT without stating the specific place where the alleged irregularities occur" - Court

Breaking!!

APM #PEPTJudgement

The issue of non qualification or disqualification of a candidate is a pre election matter.

Elections when conducted & results declared can not be questioned under the provision of 131 of the constitution on issues of non qualification or disqualification.

Theflint1:
You're either a liar or a retard, which is it?

You either lack comprehension which is still a manageable trait, or you’re just plain dumb.

I suggest you give your phone to someone with proper reasoning to read those two quote and dumb it down to your level of understanding, because I can’t do that job for you I’m sorry.

Theflint1:
Maybe you were a different strain of Igbo when you were making replies like the one below to people.



People said the 4.1% unemployment thing was BS cause it doesn't reflect reality, you said they were wrong, and shouldn't argue with hard data that unemployment figures, only to come back a day later saying that unemployment figures are 55-60%, a number different from the hard data of 4.1% you said people shouldn't argue against.

Except the 4.1% unemployment thing is not BS.

Are you structurally dumb or something, Are you part of those that needs prayer to comprehend simple statement.

Why is understanding a simple data so hard for you?

Of course Nigeria unemployment figure is 4.1%, but that tells us a single story, you are looking at the data from one perspective, everybody is ignoring the underemployment figures which is more damning that the unemployment rate.

The 60% figure I gave is for underemployment not unemployment. Why is such a simple thing hard for you to understand?

Is your brain leaking?

monerozi5590:
Very true. The statistics truly show the true reality of things.

I mean, this is a very scary situation.

Theflint1:
What a tool

You were pretty much twerking in celebration that only 4.1% of Nigerians were unemployed and was ready to continue propagating it as the reality until people called you out on it.

How can you have agreed that the report was right only to later start making suggestions of 54-60%, yet you want to claim I knew all-along. Can't you see how much of a contradiction it is?

Celebration?

Are you a confused fellow? Why would I celebrate a report that is damning and paint a bleak economic situation of the country.

I’m only glad they adopted a better statistic methodology, one that will reflect what problem the country has.

I will give you an advice in life, if you don’t understand something, the best approach is to keep quiet. Don’t open your mouth and remove all doubt from people’s mind that you a fool.

Ibime:
This is why our comparators against developed countries should not be taken at face value

I can argue for both of those scenarios being unemployed or both being employed
.
The benefit system in developed countries is what separates the employed from the unemployed

You essentially have to work over 16 hours a week in developed countries for you to earn a premium better than the benefit system can offer you

So if you have employment that pays less than you would get for 16 hours a week work at minimum wage, you will drop out of your job and claim unemployment benefits

So there is a defined line that separates employed from unemployed which the statisticians can reference against. Anyone working 1 hour per week is doing so voluntarily because they have options via the benefit system. That's why those who work few hours a week in USA constitute less than a percentage point of their labour force.

Now applied to Nigeria, I think a good metric to delineate employed from unemployed should be the minimum wage. If you earn less than minimum wage, you should be classed as unemployed so we can know the true nature of things.

Using a wage structure is oversimplifying a complex matter, there are lot of factors that won’t be captured
Using that metrics.

You want to turn economics on its head😂

You won’t be able to pinpoint what exactly the economic situation of the country is and how to work toward solution.

Someone with unpaid work or unpaid internship will be classified as unemployed.

Someone with a part time job but earning above minimum wage will be classified as fully employed.

You won’t be able to capture and estimate those who are underemployed.

I’m actually quite okay with the methodology that is being used, it shows us the reality of things.

It shows we have more of underemployment than unemployment, which is actually worse that what we had before, so I don’t know why people think this report is a good thing when it’s not.

Theflint1:
You first said you agreed that Nigeria had an unemployment rate of 4.1%. Ib1me then breaks down what should otherwise be common sense, and now you're saying that true figures should be 55-60% .

If you had sense to extrapolate what it should or shouldn't be, you won't fall for stupid stat games from APC. Anybody with two brain cells to scratch together would have known that 4.1% thing was a joke, but you swallowed it.

Not my fault if you lack basic common sense.

Anyone that reads the report will know that there were some unsettling and disconcerting figures there.

How you’ll conclude that it is APC propaganda is beyond me, when the report that was released by NBS does not paint a rosy picture.

But people like you who are structurally stupid and have tunnel political vision see 4.1 unemployment figures and start dancing like a mad man in a market, without even reading what the report are saying.

The person you are quoting basically agrees with me, but you won’t know that because you lack comprehension.

Any reasonable person can see that the report actually indict the government more.

Ibime:
Employment denominator excludes kids and pensioners so 200m cannot be the denominator

You also have to be part of the labor force and actively seeking for job.

A Graduate in his 20’s that is not seeking for job is excluded from the Labour force even if he doesn’t have a job.

Nigeria labor force is around 70-80M

Ibime:
Noted.

This shows the true scale of unemployment problem better than the 30+ percent we were declaring earlier

If Nigeria has 96% employment but with 93% of those 96% employed informally, we can hazard a broad guess that 80% of that 93% have no meaningful employment

So 0.8 X 0.93 X 0.96 = 71%

71% unemployment is roughly what we have in a colloquial way of speaking.

That's roughly the true scale of unemployment and the work we have to do in this country

In other words underemployment.

What we are dealing with is structural underemployment.

Consider this two scenario.

A graduate that is driving korope/Moruwa but is also looking for better job is described as employed but underemployed.

A graduate that is driving Korope/Moruwa but is not actively looking for other job is described as fully employed.

So if you are informally employed but you are not actively seeking for another job, that means you are fully employed and not underemployed.

So your percentage should fall more in the range f 55-60%

liveLongNprospa:
Do you have an issue against answering simple questions?
You know it's not a big deal if you also say that definition doesn't apply to the Nigerian context

Because we are not looking at unemployment again from a Nigerian perspective but from a global perspective.

If you ask a Nigerian Graduate that is still staying in his/her parent house posting cloth to sell on WhatsApp if he/she has a job she will tell you no, because to her employment means doing office work with her certificate and this person would have been classified as unemployed in the old methodology.

With the new methodology the Graduate will now be classified as being underemployed and not unemployed.

Which means Nigeria Underemployment rate will rise and Unemployment rate will fall.

liveLongNprospa:
Good good.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Lets assume we have a population of 60-70m people who are employable, are you saying inside that number we have only 4% that is unemployed?

You are asking the wrong question again.

The right question is who is unemployed in the global context.

Ibime:
Let me explain my point to you since you don't get where I'm coming from.

UK uses two methods, unemployment claims and survey

US uses survey with unemployment claims as barometer

If a survey extrapolates a number that contradicts unemployment claims, it will be adjusted. The surveyors already have a limiting factor/frame of reference in unemployment claims. So survey cannot tell you there are only 1 million unemployed if 20 million are claiming benefits. The survey result will be revisited and adjusted if there is a schism between both metrics that doesn't make sense.

What mechanism does Naija have for that? Naija mechanism is simply to call Tunde and Mariachi and ask them if they work at least one hour per week for money.

Secondly, there is little to no informal economy in these countries. In the USA, people in the unemployed number who work few hours per week is a fraction of a percentage. You pick up the phone in Nigeria and call Amaka who sometimes makes chinchin or cake on request and ask her if she works one hour per week, she will say yes, but a material percentage of the "employed figure" in Nigeria falls under this category.

1. I understand your perspective, and your points are certainly valid. In Nigeria, the approach differs from simply making calls to individuals like Tunde or Lawal though. The process involves conducting face-to-face interviews using a questionnaire that adheres to the International Labour Organization (ILO) guidelines. Therefore, I suggest taking a look at the report first to gain a better understanding.

And certainly Nigeria does not have a mechanism to fine-tune the generated data with, I think we can always expect NBS data not to be 100% accurate due to various limiting factors.

2. Exactly!!! Your second point is what we should be debating on, and I echoed that yesterday when the report came out.

It stated that clearly in the report “ The rate of informal employment among the employed Nigerians was 93.5% in Q4 2022 and 92.6% in Q1 2023.

Below is a link to the report you can check it out

https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/1241365

Theflint1:
Nigeria does not operate an hourly wage structure, why then are we basing our employment figures on what's being used by countries that operate an hourly wage structure?

Well people did predict there'd be lots of magomago with statistics in eBola's government to create an illusions of growth, guess that's what we're seeing.

These are the kind of fools you are guys are debating with here?

With all the free information that is available to this generation, we are still seeing this kind of foolish take.

I’m always amazed at people that post absolutely ridiculous take with Confidence. It boggles my mind how you can be so stupid with confidence.

Segedinho:
Reread this time slowly b4 showcasing your dumbness

If 4% of 200m wch is 8m is unemployed then d remaining 192m is deemed employed na..


Abi,you use head knack pillar by mistake?

Lmao, I can’t imagine these are the kind of people I’m actually having an economic argument against.

Someone actually believes Nigeria has 200M Labour force😂😂😂.

Baba is equating the country population with Labour force.😂

Did you fail economics in secondary school?

You lack understanding of a particular subject matter, instead of keeping quiet and learning, you start grandstanding.

liveLongNprospa:
I am not arguing the methodology.
I'm asking you.
What is your definition of employment and with whatever definition, do you believe we have over 190m people employed?

190m people? From where?

Where are you getting these figures from?

Segedinho:
Oga shaytun.

Does this means,the subsidy intervention for FX didn't work or they just Maradona us.

https://www.nairaland.com/7816134/naira-crumbles-920-fuel-marketers

Were you living in Mars when Jp Morgan open CBN yansh?

Segedinho:
4 % unemployed simply means 192m from the 200m Nigerians are employed.....

For this country?

Even if agbero,kidnapping.UGM,bandit and BH were considered as employment route,we still would not make 30%.

How can 192m people be unemployed? How many people are in the labor force?

Atleast understand basic economics before commenting on issue, I can’t be replying to every of your dumb takes.

liveLongNprospa:
We will get to get.
The original question remains..

Do you believe the unemployment figures?

Of course I believe it, why won’t I believe it?

The NBS has been saying it since last 2 years, in fact the UN and ILO have been advocating for the new methodology to be adopted by Nigeria.

Ibime:
You failed the first methodology because you simply don't pay Government unemployment benefits, therefore have no real barometer

So obviously our unemployment is measured by survey, and any survey producing 4% in Nigeria is fit for the dustbin

How exactly do you think most countries measure their unemployment rate?

The USA uses the same survey just like Nigeria and other countries, only differences is they measure 60,000 households and Nigeria measure 35,000 households.

The only thing Nigeria did was adopt international ILO standard in measuring unemployment rate, just as other countries are doing. So I don’t exactly know what this your postulation is about.