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Hi everyone,

I'm a journalist looking for farmers willing to share their experiences with the Anchors Borrowers' Programme. If you are a farmer who subscribed to the scheme please reach out to me. I'll be very happy to hear your story.

My email address is lostleprechaun77@gmail.com

Looking forward to hearing from you.

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pozehnani:
Please help me too oo..

I'm looking at Akoka and unilag area. Then Hebert Macaulay way, Sabo area. Please.

Can I PM you?

You're female, and it may not be appropriate to share living quarters with you. Sincere apologies, I hope you understand.

gbemishile:
hello nairalanders.

I am thinking of getting a decent self contain partment in lagos that is close to my work place. I am currently employed with a salary scale of about a 100k, and for now I have no alternative source of income except my current job which is a govt job. I am just scared I might not be able to sustain the rent cus I only have my salary to depend on for now, and I will still have some other commitments like family etc.

I was thinking of getting a decent one room, like a face me I slap u, till am able to gather my home furnitures, and also try to develop myself in terms of certifications, or learning some IT skills, then I can move to a decent self contain. The only fear is the last time I lived that life was my University days.

Can a salary of 100k sustain an apartment here in Lagos?

Your comments are highly welcome

Hmm. What part of Lagos are you looking at? I may be able to help.

Ishilove:
Sheikwonderman! It's been ages

How have you been darling?

I'm alright. Happy to have made it to a new year. How are you? I suppose you are doing just fine. Here's me wishing you an awesome 2021 despite the virus.

Ishilove:
I don't really understand some people.

Just logged in to Nairaland and this is the first comment I'm seeing after a long time. Pardon the digression oo, just want to say that I've missed you madam.

It is quite apparent from the comments so far that comprehension is a problem for some. The lockdown is NOT being suspended. Read well. They're tightening up! They plan to remove the lockdown free days as well as enforce the use of masks.

Jozzy4:
your assumption that God know Adam will sin is unfounded in scripture . Yes God has power to foreknow BUT HE doesn't exercise such powers in matters of freewill . I can cite numerous examples in the bible . but take this one Jeremiah 26:2,3 after asking Jeremiah to go preach for the people , he said " PERHAPS /MAYBE " they will listen. does that ring a bell ? u dont use perhaps when u already predict the outcome.



so there wasn't an illusion of choice

Lamentations 3:33 explains it well " For it is not in his Heart to Afflict or Grieve the sons of men [humans ] "

its not his in heart to scam anyone. He gave them freewill and they exercise their own choices.

So God didn't know Adam would sin? So he's not all knowing then? Whose view now is unfounded in scripture, yours or mine? Free will is an illusion. The case of Judas comes very much to mind. Someone had to betray Jesus "for scripture to be fulfilled". Like you already said, God is not a liar and since it had already been said it must happen. So tell me the free will anyone destined to betray Jesus has?






Free will is an illusion.

Jozzy4:
tree of life signify immortality ... one can live forever and yet not immortal. for example angels has been existing for billion of years but they are not immortal. immortal means can't die. but someone living forever still have his existence dependence on his obedience to a superior being .

Again another fallacious response. Do angels die? Those ones that "rebelled" against God and disobeyed him, did they die? They were banished. Even Revelations says that Satan and his hosts are banished to the bottomless abyss. So stop being superfluous and saying living forever isn't the same as being immortal. According to the Bible, spirits do not die. Angels are spirits, they do not die.

Jozzy4:
he who says Be fruitful and Multiply can definitely discontinue the process once the capacity of fruit is achieved .

besides, We dont know if other planets are projects to accommodate more humans

so this aspect in my view Is not standard enough


No contradiction sir , after they sinned ... eating the tree of life would automatically Made them EVADE the consequence of their actions , if that happens Satan will be right and God a liar. didn't Satan say they won't die ?

How do you not understand this? There was NO point in having the tree of life! If they were going to live forever then there was no point in a tree of life. And since they sinned an omniscient God simply wouldn't allow them eat a fruit that would make them immortal just as with what happened with Adam. So why have the useless tree in the first place?

Jozzy4:
he who says Be fruitful and Multiply can definitely discontinue the process once the capacity of fruit is achieved .

besides, We dont know if other planets are projects to accommodate more humans

so this aspect in my view Is not standard enough


No contradiction sir , after they sinned ... eating the tree of life would automatically Made them EVADE the consequence of their actions , if that happens Satan will be right and God a liar. didn't Satan say they won't die ?

Discontinue the process? So he'll make men impotent or women infertile rather than admit a failed experiment? Just look at your defence, it is pathetic.

"Other planet" he says....sigh.... Religious people will go extreme lengths to support a notion even when it borders on the risible. In your defence you did say your answer isn't standard enough. I retort that that is not even an answer, it is a conjecture that makes no sense. I forgive you on that anyway, just admit you have no counter to that point.

Lostz:
let us end it here.

I think you are just repeating same thing

It's simply because you're not addressing what is at the heart of the discussion which is explaining the contradiction. However, thank you for your time.

Lostz:
the Bible did not made it clear whether God know or did not know.
The point is, he did not want humans zombie.
He created them, gave them the right to choose what is best for them.

The Bible did not make it clear? Are you insinuating that at some point God wasn't omniscient? Because if that's what you're saying then that is a whole new topic of discussion. Because an all-knowing God knows the end from the beginning and Christians champion God's omniscience as one of his immutable qualities.

Your point about not making humans zombies becomes useless because he didn't give them a choice, he only gave them an illusion of that. It's like you creating something that you know is destined for destruction but telling that something that if you do X you'll live, if you do Y you'll die. That's just a silly thing to do when you already know in the end that it would be destroyed.

Lostz:
Genesis 2;17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


The choice is clear; eat the fruit and die.

It is clear Adam did not value living forever.... choosing death.
God has also given us another chance to live but sadly we are still imitating Adam

OK. So let's back up.

So you're saying God gave man a choice between life and death. Eat the tree of good and evil, you will surely die. Don't eat, you live forever. But that still doesn't explain the purpose of the tree of life. It also brings to fore the problem of freewill and God's omniscience. Look at it like this, God already knew from the beginning the outcome when he decided to create the trees of good and evil and the tree of life. He knew from the beginning what Adam would go for. In that regard, Adam wasn't presented with any choice but rather an "illusion of choice". Which still makes it all the more pointless to have a tree of life in the garden. A tree which he would either never eat from or which would have been useless anyway if he had the opportunity to eat from it as he would have had eternal life already. In any case it brings us back to square one.

Ishilove,

I know you know a couple of people who may help with this. If you can invite them to this thread I'd appreciate it. Thank you

Lostz:
nature always have a way of taking care of itself.
We didn't built the Earth and we only know a little about the way it works

The tree of life was man's opportunity to choose whether to live or die

I'm sorry to say this but there's little sense in your answer. You're saying that the tree of life was man's opportunity to choose whether to live or die. Had Adam obeyed God's instruction and not eaten the forbidden fruit then he wouldn't have a "choice" on whether to live or die, he'd simply live forever. Which still begs the question: what then was the point of the tree of life?

Trueigbo:
Yes I get your point but the billions of people on Earth is left for God to handle

Out of respect for you I'll not say anything on this anymore. I'm asking a legitimate question and I'm unfortunately not getting thought provoking replies. I hope others can come here and illuminate me on this issue. Thanks for your time.

Lostz:
I think man was meant to live forever. The eternity in his heart confirm that.


The Earth would have taken care of itself

This isn't really an answer. "The earth would have taken care of itself"? How Would it expand beyond it's current size? Also you didn't explain the contradiction. If man was created to live forever why then was there a tree of life in the garden?

Trueigbo:
Man was created to live forever but sin came to destroy that plan but Christ came and restore man to his original glory

OK....did you read my post to comprehend the contradiction I explained? If man was created to live forever why then was there a tree of life in the garden? Also, how would earth have coped with catering to the needs of billions upon billions of people who wouldn't die?

Hi everyone,

It's been quite a long time since I posted stuff here. Anyway while doing some chores today a thought crossed my mind and I will share it here. I'm open to debate from religious and irreligious folks alike. Here we go:

If you're a Christian, you're probably familiar with some of the fantastic stories in Genesis such as the Tower of Babel, The Great Deluge, The Talking Serpent, and so on. I will however limit the scope of this thread to one particular story and it revolves around events that took place in the Garden of Eden.

The Bible tells us that death came to the world through sin. Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus. What we can extrapolate from this therefore is that if Adam and Eve had not fallen, man would probably have lived forever. Yet this raises questions as well as contradictions which I'll explain below.

The first obvious challenge is that if man lives forever there would be the issue of overpopulation to deal with. According to some estimates, the total number of humans who have ever lived on earth is in excess of 110 billion! So imagine a world today with at least 110 billion people in it who simply would not die. The earth doesn't have the resources to cater for that staggering number.

Let's move on to another issue. After they had sinned and just before they got banished from the garden, Genesis 3:22 tells us something interesting:

"Then the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever".

The above verse presents a contradiction. On the one hand we're made to believe from the Bible that death only came about through sin, hence no sin, no death and man lives forever. But in the verse above it appears that man was never designed to live forever anyway. Which was why God banished man from the garden so that he won't eat of the tree of life. So I'm a little confused. Was man created to live forever initially? If yes, what then was the point of having the tree of life? If no, and man was meant to die, why blame man for sinning when he was always going to die anyway, whether he sinned or not?


I hope I've made my case clear. Anyone who can shed light on this is appreciated. Thank you.

Simran94:
You can reprint your call-up letter when stream 2 guys are printing theirs so you can be registered with stream 2 at camp

Just to be clear. You're saying that I shouldn't print my call up letter yet, wait for stream 2 registration to end and then print my call up letter yes?

Simran94:
You can reprint your call-up letter when stream 2 guys are printing theirs so you can be registered with stream 2 at camp

Thanks so much. I appreciate it

lucksonlight:
This thread will bring prospective corpers for the 2019Batch B together.

Let's meet here to discuss latest news and issues bothering on
registration, mobilization and so on.

To help foster unity on this thread, 19B corpers should please introduce themselves in this format:

-Alias/Moniker
-School/Institution
-Course of Study
-Year of Graduation
-Four optional states and lastly,
-Where you wish to serve
.
You all are welcome to contribute your own quota towards the progress of this thread.
Thanks and God bless

Hello there

Thanks for creating this thread. I have a question which I hope you or anyone in the know can help me answer.

I've been mobilized with this batch B and any moment this week I'll receive my call up letter. However I'm not in a good state of health and I'm trying hard to recover. My questions are, if I decide not to go to orientation camp with this current batch will there be any issue? Is it possible that I skip this batch and go with another batch? What procedures are involved?


I will appreciate answers from anyone who has a clue how this works as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing your replies, thanks.

Reading through the comments here I shake my head, mostly because they are borne out of ignorance or naivete. You guys saying the Wydad players are gutless really don't get it. I watched the first leg of the finals played at Wydad's home in Morocco. VAR was used. The game ended 1-1 with Wydad shown a red card. However at some point during the game, Wydad scored just at the dying minutes of the first half. VAR was consulted and the goal was disallowed.

Now in the second leg at Tunisia, Wydad got a goal. Referee says it's disallowed. The Wydad guys say that's not good enough, consult VAR the same way you guys did in the first leg, Lo and behold, the referee refuses. Only later does the news emerge that the VAR equipment is faulty yet CAF didn't deem it fit to inform the teams about this development and subsequently postpone the match. Instead they carried on as usual until a major incident happened. I don't blame Wydad for protesting, it was completely unfair of CAF. CAF awarded the victory to Esperance, but ask yourself this: Would CAF have dared to do that had this second leg game taken place at Wydad's home under the same conditions? Do you think CAF would risk the wrath of the Wydad fans and declare that they had lost over a decision that was clearly caused by CAF'S incompetence? I think not. CAF took the easy way out and it is pathetic to say the least, a shame of epic proportions. A sad moment indeed for African football.

How do I begin?

I applied halfheartedly to work as an ad-hoc staff for INEC through my school. I didn't even put down a position, I just put down my name and that was it. Few days later I got a message asking me to resume training as a Supervisory Presiding Officer (SPO). At the time I wasn't quite aware of the nature of the job role, not until I resumed training and saw the caliber of people did I realize what I was in for. First of all, they were mostly people in the civil service and who were advanced in age. Here I was in my late twenties, a fresh graduate being in company of experienced civil servants. Anyway I didn't let that get to me. The three days I spent on training I was diligent enough to learn the ropes of what the electoral process looked like, do's and don'ts etc etc It wasn't quite easy coming from a neighboring state for the training but I managed it. After the 3 days we took a test, and were informed that if selected we would train others. Others being the presiding officers PO (mostly corp members) and assistant presiding officers APO1, APO2, and APO3.

I got another text message asking me to report to my LGA (which I won't mention so I won't be identified) where I was posted to for the training. From then I noticed a few things. One of the things I noticed was the lack of organization. The listing of names of those we were supposed to train was done haphazardly instead of in alphabetical order, so one had to go to all the classes to check before knowing where he/she would be seated for training. This scenario actually occured during my first training as an SPO. Why this was the case I don't know.
I was supposed to take a class of corp members. In the 3 days I took them I got the general feeling that some of them weren't interested in it, as though they were being compelled to take part. It didn't help that during the training there was no snacks or at least some form of welfare for us, be it the trainers or the trainees. As a result I had to deal with an unruly set of youths who kept interjecting or asking me questions about how much they would be paid, something I had no control over. In any case I took my time to explain their duties and practicalised some of the things taught such as the use of the smart card reader and how to properly sum up votes. Even though conditions weren't great, we somehow managed to pull through.

Now to election proper.

Typically, electoral personnel are supposed to be at the RAC(Registration Area Centre) on the Friday before election. As the SPO I'm supposed to collect materials, sensitive and non-sensitive from the INEC office in the LGA for onward delivery to the RAC. From there we distribute the materials to the POS and APOS in the presence of party agents and with security agents on ground. We were told from experience that we would have food available for us at the RAC but alas, there was no such thing. With regards to welfare of personnel I think INEC did poorly, at least in my LGA. There was no power as well and although we were assigned generators, they generally didn't last long or were having issues. This brings me to another critical observation. When INEC compiles the final list of personnel who would be aiding us in the election process, I observed that a lot of people who attended the training weren't called. Many of those I taught didn't work under me, I instead got new faces many of whom told me they didn't come for training!! In some cases they were fixed by people at the office whom they knew. It was a crying shame. So what happened was we had lots of people at the RAC on Friday night begging me to include them in my personnel list as they were sure that some of the people initially selected wouldn't come and it turned out to be true. A lot of personnel didn't show up and so these people who came for training but were omitted were selected at the discretion of the SPOS and I must say that they were the ones who worked hardest as they wanted to prove that they understand the job as well as get confirmed as APOS or POS. They assisted in moving cubicles, ballot boxes, very heavy cartons of sensitive material etc. Unfortunately they didn't get training allowance even though they came for the training because their names were omitted from the personnel list that INEC posted.

I won't dwell on the postponed elections but let it suffice to say that we weren't paid any inconvenience allowance. The sleepless night and all that work plus the reverse logistics involved was all for nothing. You may call it a sacrifice but sacrifices only make sense if it's collective, how can those working on the field be making sacrifices while the "ogas" are getting paid? Not fair is it?
The rescheduled presidential election was hectic. Despite promises from INEC that it would be smooth and all we all saw how it went. The planning and execution was scattered, smart card readers became a nightmare such that personnel were doing manual verification and voting which was wrong, but who could blame them?
To make matters worse news began to filter in that some personnel in other LGAs and states were paid more handsomely than those in my LGA and this led to outrage. Why will two people doing the same work get paid differently? That definitely didn't help morale so when the gubernatorial elections came the personnel felt they had had enough. On election morning they all refused to move to the field unless they were paid ₦10,000. INEC said they will only pay 5k. Come and see wahala. They said no 10k, no work. We were supposed to be up and ready to move at 6am on Saturday. By 7am no one budged. 8am no one budged. I called my immediate head, he told me I should be able to control them. I politely told him to come down and address them as this was beyond me. He initially didn't want to. When it was 9am and the personnel refused to enter the buses with their materials then the ogas at the office got the message that they were serious. They came down and tried to pacify them but that didn't work. Then my oga said something that the money they are agitating for isn't a right but a privilege and that it didn't come from INEC. At this point the reality hit me. You see, no one and I mean this, no one knows exactly how much is being paid for working as an ad-hoc staff. Forget whatever you see online, they don't take into cognisance other monies that INEC receives from either political parties, influential party men etc etc. The lack of transparency creates a breeding ground for corruption which you can't exactly complain about because they will tell you "it's not from INEC, it's a privilege and not a right". I heard rumors of electoral officers being relocated due to embezzling funds in some LGAS. Naturally INEC wouldn't want to report this because it would give credence to the fact that they are compromised. Unfortunately this is now the norm. In any case after several pleadings and promises that they will get some top ups on their pay, they agreed to move. With respect to electoral violence in my LGA there was very minimal and it was largely successful. I have decided against using names as well as intentionally left out the state. Those on this forum who have experience with this kind of thing can verify if I'm saying the truth or not. In summary I think that INEC should improve on welfare, be more transparent in their dealings, be more meticulous and also probably improve on our current voting system. I don't see why we can't have voting machines as with what obtains in the US. This our method creates a whole lot of logistic nightmares and is archaic. I think I speak for a majority of Nigerians when I say that the elections this year was below par. Can we do better come 2023? I don't know. I do know though that it's quite probably my last time doing this work. The stress involved plus the compensation isn't worth it.