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Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 6:47pm On May 17, 2017
Idea 20 of 52 - Kids Outing/Entertainment fun day(s) Business

Religion / Re: I Am Very Sympathetic To Atheism - Chude Jideonwo by Sibe007(m): 9:06am On May 14, 2017
You make them rob you of the power and beauty of Jesus Christ's message. You allow your religion be defined by Clement and Augustine, rather than by Jesus. Romansis a beauty but Roman is the work of a passionate man of God trying to understand what Jesus was saying.

The same way Jesus could reveal his will to Paul through His spirit is the same way He can reveal it today. He is same yesterday and today. Early church fathers were human. They allowed Culture swallow tradition, despiteJesus warning them in Mark 7:13

That cultural understanding of the Bible, and mistaking the spiritual for the political is trap a new generation of Christians must avoid. We must admit that whatever we know of God today is limited by our human frailty and stop insisting that all we know is all there is to know.

Let's thank God for what His spirit reveals and we understand and pray for Hi, to reveal more to others as He has to us John 14:26

We must NOT insist that our moral codes today are same as God's living word. We must not limi the revelation others get to the ones we have. The same way we must not limit ourselves to the moral codes of the blessed, passionate human being who gave us the story of Babel.

Never ask yourself: what did God tell the Isrealites in 700 BC or 500 AD. As yourself, what is God telling me today? Ask yourself: How ca the Bible be a guide (not a rule book) for me to rightly divide the word of truth of what God says for my life TODAY?

And to answer that Jesus her said 'I will leave you a dead scroll', He said He would give you a living, breathing Holy Spirit. Oh what joy, wha bliss when you for, a deep, personal relationship with His Holy Spirit. He guides with love, with empathy, with passion.

Read Hebrews 4:15. Let me re-introduce you to Jesus! He is not the unloving, forbidiing headmaster marking your sins that prejudiced men insist he is. He is a loving father, whose mercies are renewed every morning. He pays attention to your life today, and gives solutions to your issues today. Emancipate yourself from institution religions that limit you, and misrepresent God to you.

Find him for yourself. Build a relationship with him for yourself. Learn about His love for yourself. His word belongs to YOU

In John 16:33 and John 15:11 Jesus promised peace and joy. Any faith that doesn't deliver this is not the faith of a Jesus. Stop allowing other men and women lie to you with the Bible. Find God for yourself. Drop the world's prejudices and stereotypes behind.
May God have mercy on all of us.

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Religion / Re: I Am Very Sympathetic To Atheism - Chude Jideonwo by Sibe007(m): 9:05am On May 14, 2017
Including the words the Holyspirit speaks to His children today. And will speak to them tomorrow, Of course before science, phenomena were explained by metaphysics. If something happened, they would retroactively credit to divine force.

Because there was no other frame of reference. Random events attribute to God, Satan, spirits. Even when it contradicted itself. Of course the danger of the Satan/God dualism brings problems of its own. But let's leave that one till another day.

So clearly, if something historical happened with Nimrod and Babel, someone trying to understand it forced a meaning on it. That meaning can no longer subsist in the light of what God has enabled man understnd through science. It need be discarded.

The theology supporting that is one of progressive revelation. God constantly reveals himself to man in the light of man's limited knowledge. In each dispensation. The tragedy of revelation is that while God attempts to introduce us to the limitlessness of his reality.

Humans insist on forcing him into the smallness of our cultures, language and superstitions. We cripple the power of his message. Whatever God was trying to reveal to those people, they limited by their simple morality and their insistence on same.

Also, literal belief that languages came from babel is what some call is pseudoscientific. The provable history of language makes that clear. That narrative Reduces simplicity of linguistic evolution to simple morality tale that satisfies humans. More importantly, it cheapens God.

Makes Him look small and threatened by man's wisdom. Afraid of man's creation. The same God that is unsearchable, according to same bible? If God was truly all-powerful, it would hardly matter whether people worked together or not. He wouldn't punish them for being innovative.

Whatever man achieved, He would be pleased by man's dominion of the earth. He would engage that shared reality to reconcile man to Him. When Jesus left this world, He didn't leave the world with a bible. Do we think he was foolish not to? He knew what he was doing.

He left the word with a simple message and simple faith, one of redemption and salvation. He spoke to those of His time in language. they could understnd, using symbols like Gehenna and Hades that they could relate with. The specific words He left them were specific to their context, to their culture, to the limits of their comprehension.

If Jesus showed up today, his language, his references, his symbols would be different. And guess what? He Does! Via the Holy spirit, If you allow people who want to manipulate and control you force 1st century moral paradigms into a world that exists differently today.
Religion / Re: I Am Very Sympathetic To Atheism - Chude Jideonwo by Sibe007(m): 9:05am On May 14, 2017
Then, according to the narrative, God came down to see what his creation was doing, and then theGod that created them oh, God threatened. "Indeed the people are one & have one language; this is what they begin to do; now nothing they propose to do will be

So he decided to confuse their language, so they dont understand one another & then scattered them all over the earth, so the building stops. Hmm. Very troublesome at this point. Before I even go to why this story, and especially it's interpretation, is troublesome.

First, is the fact that Genesis 10 already notes they humanity already had several languages, making Genesis 11 moot

But I have learnt not to nitpick. Like John 10 and 11 re Mary/oil sometimes the Bible's stories are not chronological chapter to chapter. More important is to ask: REALLY? God was so threatened by human accomplishment that he decided to limit it by causing confusion? Think not.

Since Rom 11:33 preaches: "the depth of the riches of the wisdom & knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, & untraceable His ways! Meaning: According to the same holy book, there was no way anything that man could fathom/create could reach the heights of the Bible's God

Then there is the obvious logical fallacy: We know now, something the authors of those times didn't know. That the earth is just one planet. in a universe of all kinds of spaces and realities. By the time Nimrod and his innovators finished reaching the skies they would have found that God wasnt in the clouds, God wasn't in the sky, and human structures couldn't be sustained up beyond a point on the earth

Science hadn't unveiled that at the time, 6,000 or so years ago. And. So the writers of that story didn't know that, But now we know that for a fact. And since God has always known everything, that means God knew this for a FACT.

So, how to account for this essentially troubled (to use an euphemism) narrative of God's intent? It's either 1. The writer mistold history. 2. The writer misinterpreted God's intent. Or 3. Someone hijacked an original narrative.

But in light of what we know for a simple, observable fact now. The morality of the story makes no sense. God is not in the sky. They didn't know we were just one planet in a vast universe. They thought the sky was all there was.

What does that tell us about taking the Bible literally? Or even about focusing man made moral paradigms into the mouth of God? How do you know the moral paradigm was man made? I present to you one of the influential writers on bible/Jewish history, Flavius Josephus

Josephus in his book, Antiquities of the Jews, makes it abundantly lay clear the agenda of those who gave us the story of Nimrod/Babel. According to him, Nimrod was a tyrant who tried to turn the people away from God. Nimrod excited them to "such an affront & contempt of God"

Correction by the story, story is in Gen 11:1-9

"He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their courage." But ask yourself, why would God be so angry that human beings were building skyscrapers, and then punish them because of that?

If that's the case, then where is the punishment for our skyscrapers of today, for our airplanes and our space ships? It makes no sense. Like plenty makes no sense if you try to force pre-science paradigms and morality takes into a 21st century world.

The simplicism of those who claim biblical inerrancy is that they ascribe man's failures to divine intent. Men make errors. They also confuse literal inerrancy with symbolic inerrancy. Men wrote the Bible. Men are fallible. Men are limited. God is limitless.

I for one don't confuse the term Word of God to mean just the Bible. The word of God is living and breathing, it encompasses pre and post bible revelation.

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Religion / I Am Very Sympathetic To Atheism - Chude Jideonwo by Sibe007(m): 9:04am On May 14, 2017
To be honest, I am very sympathetic to atheism, and especially agnosticism. Always have been. The major holy books are complicated, often contradictory. The interpretations, even more so. And worst, ridden with prejudice and manipulation, over many years.

It's actually a miracle that despite the hypocrisy and strife, that many of us manage to hang on tight - implausibly - to our faith. The more rational thing would be not to. Which of course is the point. Faith is fundamentally, for better or worse, irrational.

Which is why science-based apologia for faith is ridiculous at its base. You are trying, unnecessarily, to reconcile two opposed ideas.

Take one of the most vexing stories in the Bible for instance, on the 'Tower of Babel'. You'll find it in Gen 12:4-9. Interestingly, you'll find same story in the Qu'ran, but situated under Egypt/Moses in its own case.

Historically, its point is to trace a biblical background to multiplicity of languages. But theologically, the story has a didactic intent. Not surprisingly, since the writers of many a scripture insisted on simple morality tales. A very human temptation.

Men (and presumably women) came together to achieve something of worth: said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

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Religion / Re: A List Of 700+ Verses In The Bible Condoning Rape, Murder, Hate And Lunacy by Sibe007(m): 2:09am On May 11, 2017
Hmmm Interesting...
Religion / Re: I Am An Atheist, How Will I Escape The Upcoming Ramadan Fasting by Sibe007(m): 2:05am On May 11, 2017
zionmade:

Big uncle bangie how far.
How is ur great grannie d chimpanzee.
I wonder how foolish u will look to ur children telling dem u were a big bang product of one accidental explosion and dat u great grand parents were apes.

I quoted someone who insulted my spiritual father in one of her coments. Now can u carry ur big banged brain off my way?

Are you sure you will not KILL someone very soon if you have the chance, all because of your spiritual father

Are you very sure all is well with you like this??

Wow, take it easy oh

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Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:00pm On May 10, 2017
archyonrails:
This thread is Da BOMB!!!

Thanks. and thank you for following
Celebrities / Re: New Photo Of Patience Ozokwor On "The Wedding Party" Set by Sibe007(m): 11:44am On May 10, 2017
Ghen ghen.....
Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:32am On May 10, 2017
Summary

Remember to always look before you leap.



Thanks for following this series.

Till next week, stay inspired.


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Twitter: @Mrebis
Email: mrebis1@gmail.com


Links:
http://www.moneycrashers.com/five-tips-for-effectively-flipping-a-house/

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Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:31am On May 10, 2017
3. Risks

When you estimate the cost of any job, experts advise that you add 20% to the final estimate. Why? It’s always going to cost more than you think it will, say the experts. Always.
Remember the warning ‘Beware of 419’
You can be very profitable from this, and you could also lose money too. Do all due diligence as regards all the documentations, and checks. Take professionals along with you and work with their expert advice.

Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:31am On May 10, 2017
Legal Agreements
It is very important to have a clear understanding and an agreed revenue sharing formula. You could approach the owners, refurbish the house, and put it up for rent. Then you would collect a percentage of the rent until your initial funds invested are recovered and a profit too, after which your contract agreement with the house owner can end. It all depends on what terms you all agree on.
You think this might be too expensive??

Well,
100 people can pool 30,000 naira each, or 50 people can pool 60,000 naira each to raise 3 million naira, to be managed by a very competent and reliable real estate agent or building contractor. This can be effectively utilised to love-vendor, flip a deteriorated or abandoned house in a good location. More valuable features could be added such as, washing machine, Wifi, TV etc, all in a bid to increase the overall asking price.

So what should you look for in a potential house flip?
source: Moneycrashers.com
1. Location. Expert house flippers can’t stress this enough. Find a home in a desirable neighborhood, or in a city where people want to live. In a down market, like the one that exists today, finding a superior location can be a challenge. Start by researching local cities and neighborhoods. Look for areas with rising real estate sales, employment growth, and other indications that the town will rebound from the recession.
2. Sound Condition. You don’t want to tear the house down, and start rebuilding it from scratch. Look for structurally sound homes. You may not have the opportunity to have a home inspected, especially if you buy the home at a real estate auction. You need to learn what to look for, or bring someone knowledgeable about building, electric, and plumbing with you to look at the home, to determine if the home is structurally sound.
3. Good Schools and Leisure centres. Homes in a good school district sell more quickly.
4. The Right Fixes. A home with old carpet and wallpaper featuring pink poodles may be easy, and cheap, to update. Other home repairs to tackle might include installing outdoor motion sensor lights, replacing old kitchen linoleum, and replacing hollow doors with six-panel doors throughout the home.
5. Close to You. You will work on this house daily in the weeks and months to come. Do you really want to work all day, and then drive an hour to get home? Don’t invest in a house too far away from where you live; you will spend more money on gas, and it will take longer to fix up the house.
6. Analyze the Kitchen. The kitchen is the most important room in the house. Pay close attention to this area when you buy a house. Most experts recommend you focus on remodeling the kitchen, and then look into bathroom redesign ideas. Analyze how much you will have to spend on the kitchen in order to make it appealing for future buyers.
7. Value. Make sure the price of the home is below its value in the local market. Otherwise, you will not make money. Try to buy the worst house in a great neighborhood, versus the best house in a lousy neighborhood. The worst house in a great neighborhood has nowhere to go but up in value, due to the value of the other homes in the area.


Idea Summary

• Find a bad looking house in a great location
• Agree with the owners either to buy it, or renovate/flip it
• Get your money + Profit back from rents


2. The Business

Value Proposition: Real estate renting
Customer Segment: House owners, Landlords, real estate agents
Distribution Channels: Offline and online real estate agents
Customer Relationship: Direct
Key Activities: Buying, flipping (renovation), Renting
Key Resources: Startup funds, Technical knowhow
Key Partners: Landlords & Home owners, House agents etc.
Cost Structure: Flipping cost (depending on the needed repairs), marketing
Revenue Stream: Percentage cuts from rents from tenant as agreed with the house owner
Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:27am On May 10, 2017
What Is House Flipping?

House flipping is when real estate investors buy homes, usually at auction, and then resell them at a profit months down the road. Can you make money doing this? Yes. Can you make a lot of money doing this? Yes. But you can also lose everything you own if you make a bad decision.

This is a Business that has been around for a while in the US and even has TV shows about it. For Nigeria, one can look for below average or abandoned houses (deteriorated) in good locations. These houses can be renovated or essential parts of it remodelled and then put back in the market for sale or rent. One would need to be careful about meeting the right owners or people authorised to do dealings as it relates to that property.

Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 11:26am On May 10, 2017
Idea 19 of 52 - House flipping

Religion / Re: My Atheist Brother by Sibe007(m): 8:30am On May 08, 2017
davtosh:
My brother who is an atheist is a very intelligent person. So smart and corny. He is a lover of books and has read many books that have made him smarter than us the rest of the family grin

He is so wise that he knows the sun will always return same time tomorrow and set same time like yesterday.
My Atheist brother is wise enough to know the nose is not for eating, the eyes not for breathing or hearing neither is mouth for smelling. He is so intelligent to know also that all came by CHANCE at least the books he reads tells him so. He knows also that any attempt to use those organs wrongly may spell DEATH to him and so he never tried to misuse them (like using his nose for drinking.) because he knows that CHANCE beign so intelligent has made each organ for specific tasks.

The other day that water entered his ear while bathing he nearly cried even as an adult and he was uncomfortable till the water came out early the following morning. I asked him if he knows that if the water had entered his mouth he wouldnt have been worried or uncomfortable, and he smiled he said "why should I mouth is for drinking and eating now" and I asked do you mean Designed for drinking he said "Yes"
And I asked again by who? And he looked at me funnily as usual and said "by CHANCE of course"

You see that my Atheist brother is highly intelligent. That is why my father gave him a new name THE WISE ONE

And I always wonder how extremely SMART this CHANCE my brother talks about would be.

The other day my 3year stubbon inquisitive nephew came over for the weekend he asked my brother a question "Uncle why do you always blink your eyes" I was eager to hear what reply he would get and I was not disappointed. "It is to lubricate your eye balls so that it wont pepper you" and my mind went straight to CHANCE. For it to have created an action as small as blinking for a purpose to make humans comfortable then CHANCE is great very very Great.

Then like seriously I walked pass them to a quiet place under the mango tree outside and started pondering on the great One CHANCE.

First of all I came to the conclusion this CHANCE must have a mind of its own. Considering all that it created.

Everything it created makes sense are they not?

Lots of planets and the only one habitable for life is the earth and thats where it has chosen to place The Man, Animals, Plants and every organisms.
Now to the make up of every living things every thing on and in them work together for their good and comfortability.

The sun to give warmth,

The moon to give light at night,

The stars to beautify the heavens,

The plants for food for both animals and man

Animal for meat for the man

The air to make man live,

The heart to pump blood,

The blood to keep the body alive,

The blood veins to convey the blood to the right places

The lungs to process the air

The eyes to see

Nose to breath

Mouth to eat and teeth to chew

Saliva to soften hard food and aid digestion

The intestines for processing and passing out unwanted proccesed food.

Body cell that fight parasites

What about the Brain that the Smartest computer can not out smart

To mention but a few All working together perfectly to make life worth living for man and animal.

And if any malfunctions life becomes uncomfortable for man or even man siezes to exist.

Then CHANCE as my brother calls it must be extremely intelligent and One thing that should be registered to the heads of THE WISE ONES like my brother is that A Non living thing can never ever be intelligent.
Or is STONE intelligent? grin

SO CHANCE IS A LIVING THING Uuuuuhm!

If CHANCE CREATED EVERYTHING THEN HE DESERVES TO BE WORSHIPED AND REFRENCED.

So as I sat under the mango tree I came to the conclusion that

CHANCE IS GOD ALMIGHTY AND HIS NAME IS JEHOVAH


Why must chance be HE?
Politics / Re: Photos Of The 82 Released Chibok Girls Meeting With Abba Kyari & Others In Abuja by Sibe007(m): 2:03pm On May 07, 2017
SCAM alert

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Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 8:16am On May 04, 2017
topsam1:


On pineapple chips, I still wonder how I'm going to produce it in commercial value since aCcording to the article, it takes 7 hrs atleast to dehydrate it....plz you need to shed more light on this sir...thanks very much

An industrial type oven. That can accommodate more slices of the pineapple would work better, so that one can maximise the gas used in the oven.

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Religion / Re: Time Is NOT Real: Physicists Show EVERYTHING Happens At The Same Time by Sibe007(m): 12:08am On May 04, 2017
stevecantrell:
This means we should be able to meet with and communicate with the "dead". So why can't we ?

Rubbish theory.

Because we don't know how to, or we don't have the wherewithal. We don't have access to, or don't yet know how to access some other planes or dimensions.
Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 10:50pm On May 03, 2017
topsam1:


Kudos to you mr ebis....I have sent a mail to you closed to 3 weeks now, no reply...its actually on one of the ideas you shared here on nairaland...I even sent you a reminder...all you said was 'you've been busy and will reply me sooner' but uptill this moment...you can check your mail again...thanks and God bless

Oh, very sorry bro. Will reply now
Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 3:12pm On May 03, 2017
This might seem cheaper and could offer more in terms of profit margins but remember, you would need to pay your tailor, which is a new cost to put into financial considerations.


Idea Summary

1. Go to market (Wherever you can get the right materials at the right cost)
2. Buy the Nylons and other packaging related materials
3. Give materials to your tailor to sew as desired
4. Package and label your product (3 or 4 boxer shorts in one pack)
5. Sell! Sell!! and Sell!!!

The above summary is for those who would want to sew for themselves instead of getting already made boxer shorts from the market.


2. The Business

Value Proposition: Comfort and freedom provided by the boxer shorts when worn by the Customers.
Customer Segment: Males and females everywhere, Students, Youth Corpers, etc.
Distribution Channels: Retail stores, other departmental stores, Schools and University Campuses, Online Media outlets (Social media – Instagram, FB, Twitter, etc), Website, Distribution Depot, Dedicated phone line, Sales team.
Customer Relationship: Direct and Mass
Key Activities: Selling, Negotiating, Packaging, Sewing, Logistics, Accounting, Customer service delivery,etc.
Key Resources: Work related equipments (Sewing Machines, sealing machines, label printers, phone lines), Work force (Technical and non-technical staffs), delivery team and customer service support, etc.
Key Partners: Retailers, Traders association, Relevant government regulatory agency
Cost Structure: Transport cost to market, Initial materials purchase, tailoring charges, publicity and marketing, Salary and Wage bill, registrations and other necessary documentations
Revenue Stream: Boxer short sales

3. Competition

There are already boxer shorts out there that would compete against any new entrant into the market. You would have to do something different to standout. You may get celebrities or influencers as models to endorse your new product.
Remember people may have cheaper alternatives so you would need to do as much as you can to prove to and convince your prospective customers to buy from you.

Distinguish your product so you can attract and sell to distinguished Customers. Most of the work to win this would be in the quality of finishing and packaging.

Tip: Take your product to meet the customers (One distribution location to another, campuses etc.), don’t wait for them in stores.

4. Risks

As with every business out there, so it is with this. You could lose your customers if you buy inferior quality materials from the market. Do not be tempted to cut corners all because you are trying to save cost and increase profit margin.


Summary

You can start your own boxer shorts business today. Go through this article again, do as much independent research as you possibly can, then get on with it.


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Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 3:11pm On May 03, 2017
1. The Idea

A good number of Nigerians, both males and more recently females use boxer shorts. An exact figure may not be readily available but it is very plausible that this number of boxer shorts users, are big enough for market consideration.

Just recently I came across a post on Nairaland.com by DKConcept, about starting a Boxer Shorts Business with just 5,000 naira. The Author went on to explain how the new Business man can travel to Aba or Onitsha in Nigeria, to buy already-made Boxer shorts for 200 naira a piece, package 3 pieces in a Nylon pack and sell the three (3) for 1000 naira. Thus making a profit of 350 naira on each pack of 3 (1000 naira) sold, i.e. Removing about 50 naira for the packaging (Nylon & Label). You could read more on this following the link at the end of the article.
N/B: Travel cost (to & from Market) would also affect the profit margin (travel cost could be spread on all items sold).

Today’s startup Idea is to encourage more people more people to look into starting their own Boxers shorts Businesses. You could go to the Market or wherever you can get the materials (Cotton, bed sheet materials, Elastic bands etc.) instead of buying already made boxers shorts. You would then meet your own tailor to make your own boxer shorts as you desire.

Business / Re: New Project: 52 Weeks / 52 Business Start-up Ideas For Nigeria by Sibe007(m): 3:10pm On May 03, 2017
Idea 18 of 52: Boxer Shorts Business (Male and female)

Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:40pm On Apr 30, 2017
itsmeurLady:


With all these things that u kno, I won't be surprised if u are broke as Bleep.... Anywayz, Silence is the best answer given to a Dundie!! Are u even a Man Cs u talk like a Woman. Since ure full of insults, insults u will get. Quote me back if ure a bastard!!!

Nigerian Christian lady, easy with your words. Sorry if u felt insulted by his post. No vex, but let your words carry grace....
Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:31pm On Apr 30, 2017
VULCAN:
Religion is a terrible thing. It has blinded the minds of most Christians in Africa. They actually believe that sheepishly following a set of rules and codes and sticking with groupthink is what Jesus came for. How Sad.

There are 200 times more Pharisees and Sadducees in African Churches now than there are people who are connected to the Spirit Of God.

OP did not say we should close churches. But that is what many people are responding to.

OP did not say Churches should do govt work of providing infrastructure etc. But that's what many people are responding to.

The ability to read and comprehend spiritual issues has altogether been lost to many Christians because of a religious mindset. Once a matter "appears" to be a critique of Christianity many peoples brain goes into red alert and shuts down.

What the OP is saying is that churches should be at the forefront of inspiring their members to make a positive difference within their communities and sphere of influence.

That will have a greater impact on Nigeria than focusing solely on street evangelism (which is now more about poaching members of other churches, than converting unbelievers).

How people can read the OP and not get that is beyond me.

Like I said, Christians were at the forefront of scientific progress immediately after the spiritual awakening brought about by the Reformation of Martin Luther.

Most of the basic discoveries in Physics and Chemistry and Engineering that is the foundation of the life we enjoy today emanated from said Reformation.

Today you can hardly find Born Again Christians in The West excelling in the above fields as thinking has been rejected by the churches for at least 90yrs.

God Deliver The Black Race



Thank you so very much....all I ve been saying. There must be something we can do to bring us out of this mess in Nigeria... Our religious activities can be more potent and practically effective than what it seems today...
Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:26pm On Apr 30, 2017
itsmeurLady:
When u truly know Christ, ur problems wld be easy for u to sort out... did I forget to add that God gives u spiritual insight as to what u will do with ur life Jesus sed he that follows me will no longer walk in darkness (confusion, disaster) buh he shall have the light of life (solutions, peace, joy, prosperity). If our Govt. leaders are true followers of Christ, they will perform their duties well and by doing that create more jobs for the masses but it's just that so many of us claim to be Christians buh we've never enjoyed the benefits of that "personal relationship with Christ".... I dnt type anything that doesn't work for me, even tho I err sometimes, I still know that there's no place sweeter than dwelling in God's presence. There is less trouble, peace, happiness, Favour, fulfillment and many others. Who am I without Christ?? And What is life without Christ? Continue Spreading the Word, let them hav a true knowledge of Christ. Till people stop asking questions like wat these poster just asked, there is still much more to be done. People need to truly Know Christ More!!!

This is what you will tell our kids in years to come why Nigeria is still behind, in almost all fields despite our Religiousness??

What use is Salt if it has no taste?

It is not a SIN for a human to use his brain or seek a better Society for us all seeing that this very religious one is not working well.

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Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:19pm On Apr 30, 2017
izzou:


Lol

I quite agree with you sha. But my point is we cannot be depending on another sector or organization for a need contrary to their objective

We can't say,because GTB recorded a profit of 42bn,they should be responsible for improving the health sector.

Yes,they could build hospitals, but it wasn't the vision and objectives it's founding fathers had,or the aims of a bank.

The church, if you are a Christian, was established solely for propagating God's word. You can't blame them for unemployment. China Is successful, not because of religion, remember?

I quite agree with you that religion has done relatively well in Nigeria and instead of channeling this success to human development, the G Os prefer to fly private jets,but let's not misplace priorities here

James 4:17
He that knows to do good and doeth not, to him it is SIN.
Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:14pm On Apr 30, 2017
3mmanhu3l:
let me tell yhu somethin..... I graduated from uniben, at one point, they decided to restrict the activities of school fellowships....... That was one of the bloodiest periods of uniben's existence..... 'Til today, they cannot make that move again....... Now imagine it large scale, in the whole of Nigeria.... Consequences would be dire..... It's not just addictions my brotha, addictions are just the fore runners of full blown chaos...... Be careful what you wish for

The Bible says people perish for lack of knowledge (Ignorance), not lack of Religious activities.

How good is Nigeria with all the Religious a activities in the larger scale.

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Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 11:02pm On Apr 30, 2017
izzou:


If the Asians have proved that we can be developed and grow our economy without any religion or outside religion, why then are you depending on religion for yours? Why not tow the same path with them?

I don't know whether you believe in God,but Christianity and Islam never encouraged laziness. You claimed Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook with only the Internet and a computer. But have you forgotten that the computer needs power? Did you realize that the Internet facilities abroad are efficient and affordable than ours. In some countries, Internet is a fundamental human right.

No matter how successful a church, school,mosque or hospital becomes,it will still be expected to serve it's purpose. You don't compel a hospital to fix the roads around their vicinity because they are successful. Yes,they could do it,but it isn't their job

To the one who can do good and doeth it not, it is SIN
James 4:17
Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 10:59pm On Apr 30, 2017
mpowa:

But this kind of thinking don't make sense. What's Church's business with 'Intellectual Laziness' are they supposed to leave the spiritual mission they're giving now, to start intellectual development? If churches are spreading more than factories and industries, it's a challenge to you. It means they are EXCELLENT in what they're doing, if you're excelling in yours, maybe they won't but that factory, maybe that other place would have been an industry.

Now that you're so concerned about 'intellect', even the areas they've ventured to help (Universities), Thou pricey but at least those who have the money gets high quality education, but you guys have condemned them to hell. Imagine they start venturing to other things - It will be an unstoppable flow of attack.

IT simple, do something with your own life. Society has dynamics, if everyone is doing what they should do, there will be balance. If I become a pastor today. Every day will be LET'S GO A FISHING, because that's my mission, I'm called to spiritual things. I'm just being good at my job.

Spiritual things like receive stolen funds meant to develop and build society?

Have you wondered why your Religious leaders (save a few) dont call out or speak against the looting by Government. They enjoy the loots as offerings, seeds, etc...

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Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 10:52pm On Apr 30, 2017
MakeADifference:
What problems does churches solve?

1. What problems does marriage solve?
2. What problems does kings solve?
3. What problems does owambe weddings solve?
4. What problems does graduation solve?
5. What problems does music solve


I can go on and on.

You won't be the first or last person to be anti-Christian. Even the smartest of them always find it easy being stupid.



Thanks for your kind Christlike words, you 'Nigerian Christian'

Even when someone might be trying to help you, you will still look for a way to fight them.

OP is not Anti-Christian. Just anti laziness

Anti-runaway from responsibilities and pray instead.

How old are you? Since you were born till now, have you experienced steady power supply yet?
Is it impossible with God? Are Nigerian Christians serving a different God?

Is it impossible to make this work

Just one of the many problems shouting for Solution. Keep saying its Government's work and keep suffering and singing while the Government and your religious leaders are enjoying steady power supply and no recession at all...

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Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 10:42pm On Apr 30, 2017
Gibrima1:
While it is not a bad line of thought in and of itself, the church just like a court was established for certain core purposes; and the core purpose for which God established churches in to reconcile men to himself. And love of God inspired by the Holy Spirit in the heart of men is the vehicle with which this will be achieved.

Why do people not ask courts or dancehalls/clubs to engage in research just just the way OP is asking the church to?

The OP is asking Religious bodies to be more responsible. Be practically relevant. Provide solutions where they can and speak up for the oppressed too.

Let your light so shine that others will benefit from your presence in their streets and cities.

What use is salt without taste. What use is the church with no effects (life changing, solution providing power)

You are here to do much more than just go to church, die and go to heaven....

There is more to you....peace
Religion / Re: Enough Of The 'Let's Go Fishing', Why Not 'Let's Go Problem Solving'? by Sibe007(m): 10:36pm On Apr 30, 2017
anitapreeti:


Trash!!

What value have you added to your neighborhood? A typical Nigerian, mouth power! undecided

You don't know me. I know me... I know what I have added and am still adding.

Thanks for commenting and for your input. Atleast you noticed and read my post. So message has been passed.

Have a great week. Peace

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