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Christianity EtcRe: If God Created Only Adam And Eve,how Did Others Come About by SidL(m): 9:09am On May 08, 2016
The answer is that adam and eve were not the first humans on this planet. Much of the old testament as it stands is a work in plagiarism, a very poor one at that. Most the old testament is terrible copy-paste of the Sumerian tablets, and thus the Gods of the bible were mostly the Anunnaki from Nibiru, an advanced human race, but ultimately, still human, violent and emotionally fickle.

I recommend the lost book of enki by zacharia sitchin...or not.
Christianity EtcRe: Spiritual Men, Seekers And Others, I Need Your Opinion On This. by SidL(m): 7:47pm On Apr 24, 2016
You're most welcome LoJ. Please can you tell me more about this personality, that is can you tell the story of the meeting more clearly, especially the where of it, at least within the boundaries of anonymity.

You know, it is said and I agree, that feelings (not emotions) is the language of the soul. Your highest feeling about something is YOUR truth about it. It is called intuition. From what I've gleaned reading this thread. That individual is ok. Still, I must agree with efficiencie that identity is a requirement, not just a name but the who of the person. Just something to remember in case of your next meeting, which will happen again. smiley

On the other hand I've interacted with many a non-physical being in my day. It's only even recently that I started knowing their names, I really had no need for identity, I must be frank. My FEELINGS on them did not set off any alarm, and my bullshitometer is spot on. Your heart centre is super active, I can tell that your power of discernment is vey heightened, flow with it. I was kinda hoping to keep my presence here on NL very mainstream. You're exposing me. Lol. oh well...

If it's not obvious to you, you are no tiny tot soul-wise, at this point I am in doubt that your soul is even evolutionary in origin, but that's conjecture. There could be myriad reasons for why your heart centre is so charged. One is that a lot of work is now being done on many people at night which pertains to DNA upgrade of the soul carrier. To cut to the chase, it means more of big you is becoming accessible to little you as the body becomes able to accept big you without dropping dead. Contrary to popular belief, its is not universal that all souls actually inhabit bodies directly. Some souls are just too high as to personal, well, "energy levels" to be anywhere near a body such as the ones used on this world. They just lower a tube which surrounds the body and play 'puppet master' from a 'safe distance', for lack of better description. There were initially two strands to the DNA but most have been upgraded to well between 12 to 24 now of so-called... "junk DNA." As more of big you settles in, the heart does that thing, I don't know why. What you're experiencing happened to me in 2010 or so, although I did not get that male-female reaction you're getting. You can know which side is female because she nurtures, the male protects. You're bullshitometer is well greased, to say the least. Some call this phenomenon the downloading of the Monad. A search of the term on the net will turn up a lot of new-agey gobbledygook, so be careful and use discernment.

Ultimately LoJ, the answers you seek are all within you, not without. I will save you the stress of going here and there, have faith in your soul which is one with 'God'. All you will get from without is educated conjecture at best and disinformation at worse. Only your higher essence or what some would call the higher self or over-soul is the most trust worthy source of information that is right for you. I enjoy your degree of insistence not to get influenced by anyone's preferred consensus on any topic that interests you. With your degree of energy heart activity, you ought to be a very clear channel actually.

It's your responsibility to open up the comms and start communicating with your higher self. I recommend trance-voice channeling, its the easiest of them all. By natural law of Love which is Balance, you are required to meet your intent at least half, and just like a mirror, it will meet you at the amplitude where both halves become one, like hemispheres do at Equatorial mirrors. In plain English, as I was told, it is required that each must demonstrate interest in communication, not just express intent, so as to ensure your free will is not violated. It means DO IT, not try it!

It's very simple, get a good quality headset with a noise cancelling mic and long chord preferably and relax in a position in which you do not easily fall asleep--you know how you meditate, same thing. If you're using windows 10, it has an excellent voice recorder, although in my case I have to unplug the the laptop to get rid of the 60hz hum from the power pack which does make play back somewhat inaudible. Label the recordings by month, day and a wee summary and file the mp3 away for listening later, it is essential because you will not remember the dialogue or vaguely do so.

All you got to do is relax into a meditative state and when you feel you're ready, state your business and/or questions. Now Just say what ever hits you for that is a legitimate response. Don't expect literal words, although you wil occasionally hear them. Just keep talking into the mic and keep analytics at bay. Words can be so inadequate sometimes, don't expect words, but accept it if you do. Idea impulse is more suitable for the beginner communicator with spirit. I repeat, just say what comes, what you...FEEL. The talking further induces a slightly deeper sleep state and before you know it, you'll have micro naps but awaken to realise "you've" been talking the whole time. Ask questions to stay awake--its a dialogue. It gets better with practice and you will eventually find your natural rhythm.

People say all sorts of things about what God supposedly said 2000 years ago, before "he" somehow 'misplaced' "her" toungue. God is expected to make this and that happen, "Shim" simply just doesn't speak, imagine that! How can IT be heard when everyone is making such ruckus for goodness sakes!

All the best in this endeavour, but remember it's for you open a path for dialogue, it's your call per free will.

If you'd like to share more on your friend, I'll be happy to read it.

Many thanks.
Science/TechnologyRe: Facebook Is Considering Ways That Will Allow Some Users To Earn Money From Posts by SidL(m): 3:10pm On Apr 24, 2016
I won't be surprised if tsu.co renders them obsolete. They should give back to users.
Science/TechnologyOf The Idea Of Perpetual Motion And Free Energy/Electricity. by SidL(op):
Happy Sunday NLers,

They say necessity is the mother of inventions, or is it?. Here in Nigeria, our needs are so glaring. If its not the anomaly of lack of power supply, its the fuel scarcity. That as a nation, we exhibit amusing contradictions is no biggie, except that well, we really have no excuse. After all, we “produce” oil. We export the oil and then import the fuel. I personally would be laughing if it wasn’t so tragic. I won't even go into the dangers of oil drilling with regards to earth quakes, nor the fact that we never needed oil in our lives in the first place. It is perhaps a blessing that the oil price is on the dip. There is much effort being made to diversify the country's source of income. It is all of it good, depending of who you ask anyway.

Is it not perhaps time we also diversify our source of power, and move on to cheaper alternatives for personal power generation? No, I’m not talking about solar panels.

CC: timifakay @ https://www.nairaland.com/3059068/off-grid-power-generation-solar

While it remains true that genuine attempts are being made by the current administration with regards to means such as nuclear power, such moves are terribly ill-advised because relevant questions have not been asked. Questions such as: does Nigeria have the capacity to handle radiation related illnesses such as cancer, leukaemia etc. Further more, how and where exactly will the radioactive waste be disposed of? At the Ojota dump yard or in someone's backyard? ...but that's by the way.

A good search on the internet reveals numerous working “free-energy” devices by individuals who are always almost ignored. There are many reasons why they are not taken seriously, but one word sums them all up more importantly, Economics. Economics in the sense that one particular country whose paper money we have learnt to “need,” as well as the oil and gas industry and “governments” of countries which sell oil will have none of that. Even if they are predisposed to yield to common good sense, they will hesitate because if such devices cannot be metered, then that's a show-stopper.

Perhaps the greatest resistance still to such devices remains the academia (science), and this speaks volumes about whose interests they really serve, in my opinion of course. You see, many of these devices blatantly violate their sacrosanct “laws.” The idea of perpetual motion which equates to energy supply in abundance and absolutely Free-of-Charge is apparently “impossible,” or so they say.

I'd like to know your thoughts on this matter. I will later dig up my links and put them up here to such devices. From my perspective, perpetual motion, or at least the idea of it is not only technically real, but present in all of nature, and even in human affairs. I will give examples:

*Clouds precipitate [condense] into liquid, then liquid evaporates and condenses [crystallises] into clouds. This is one of the more conspicuous fact of nature.
*Plants breathe in CO2 and breathe out O2. Animals breathe in O2 and breathe out CO2.
*I go to my customer at the market to pick up an item. Shim gives me a fair price and my merchandise and I give Shim the money.
*The flower gives the bee its nectar and the bee gives over its body as a carrier of seed for the plant's next generation.
Now these are principles evident in nature and there are much more if one chooses to see.

How and why then, do we buy into the theoretical assertions that we cannot generate power in a manner that is as harmonic and self-sustaining as nature exhibits in all her transactions? What exactly is going on here? Do you see a game? Do you see THE game? Do you see the travesty?

At times I look at the fuel cues and the general suffering of the multitude. How much of valuable income is spent on fuel for cars. How much is spent on Generators even as we pay the price in noise-induced headaches for the convenience of a working ceiling fan, or whatever the case may be? Can we not do something about it?

What really is the barrier to free energy devices which employ the principles of the idea of perpetual motion present in all of nature? Is it a technique issue, or is it truly as scientists claim, that it's not possible?

Thoughts are welcome. Please don't confine yourself. Divert and digress and detour as much as it takes to make your point.

Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 12:27pm On Apr 24, 2016
LoJ:
Hello SidL,
LOL'ing @ posture of a specialist. Thanks again LoJ. I do however know my Natural Law/Cosmogony though, inside-out. I can thus at least tell fact from fallacy, that's all.
Not asking those 'pesky taboo-lous' questions is the reason why many cannot or will not think for themselves. Sometimes I dream I have authority of sorts, one of my first 'targets' would be 'education'. It is better to teach students how to think, not tell then what to think—big difference!

My apologies for my late response, it's been a busy week. On your cue I did look up plants which induce OOBEs. Perhaps you might like to list them if you have the information handy. The ones I encountered as well as from reading of people's experiences on their usage manifests one of the inherent problems with OOBEs, especially for 'initiates', if I may use that term with sounding over-confident. All their experiences are subjective personal consensus realities, not far removed from a dream state, expect that they have more of their 'waking awareness' present in the experience. There is also the issue of inconsistent results. No, such now and then experiences cannot void biases and dogma indeed, a consistent investigation of perception away from the body, however, may aid in curing a life-time of indoctrination.

I thus agree with you on your assessment that OOBEs are indeed a double-edged sword. I am also aware of some cases of which you probably speak.
I could be mistaken though, but such experiences which end up strengthening belief systems are as a result of the spontaneity of the experiences. There are indeed very few people on this world who actually have the skill of deliberately inducing an OOBE or at least the interest or curiosity to try. The rest are spontaneous in nature. What this results in is that all sorts of things get reported, which may break or further strengthen beliefs. Most are simply uniformed about this 'phenomenon' enough to control it and detect what is reality from what they are self-creating, inadvertently.

What I think will be the turning point is making out of OOBEs, an exact science. As much a science as say, a haircut or a drive down to the market place. I know that is where we are headed. On the other hand, assuming a method to the 'madness' of OOBEs is perfected shortly which everyone can use with guarantee of success every time, a personal experience of personal beliefs, even if in error, comes across to me as far much more preferable than merely taking the preachers words as law. Further explorations out-of-body will eventually make it painfully obvious to an explorer exactly what is what, and which is which.

One or two such somewhat random experiences, assuming if fully remembered that is, in a whole life time is like going to a library and reading just two books and concluding that those books are what the library is all about. Ultimately, it is the atheists and scientists whom I feel will benefit more from this due to their proclivity for objectivity. Subjectivity and the 'woo-woo' of demons and otherwise will not or may fly against their mind-set.

My ability to quote your comment above is limited at the moment, but I don’t think I could have said it better in the fact that maturity of the heart dictates the quality of OOBEs, especially the 'unscheduled' or spontaneous ones. You nailed it! Soul wise, we are not all at the same place, it is simply a fact of nature that some souls are older and more experienced than others, having played this game of life for much, much longer than others. This truth is detectable in children with that unnerving “elderly gaze” prior to their indoctrination, which they soon rebel against.
The mass Mind or collective consciousness of the species however, is still terribly young notwithstanding. The problems are thus collective, not individual, most unfortunately.

I laughed a bit with regards to your comment on soul travel. Eckists come to mind. As a matter of fact they were my first port of call when I ditched Catholicism. By a 'miracle' I came by one of their small books someone had cast aside. That was when I realised that my persistent OOBEs were not unique to me. Still LoJ, some credit must be given to that religion for they are far much advanced than the mainstream ones. One of their defining qualities is the absence of fear as the basis for adherence to their doctrines. People who have been there for years are there because the wish to, not because they have been threatened to, or so I perceive. On this Sunday alone for instance, in the religions thread are at least three threads by three unique Christian individuals on the subject of the reality of hell and how we must all be “good boys and girls,” or else… That's how fear controls and remains problematic.
I did move on from Eckism though, theirs was also their personal consensus reality which did not still suffice to answer my questions.

The answer is LOVE! What a truth! But still, you will notice that there is hardly a religion which does not preach love, and yet, it has done nothing to give this world peace nor advance human relationships or thinking. One can only conclude that either people are generally hard of hearing or that many do not or cannot simply concept what love is, from a technical stand-point which it actually is, per your response to the inquiry above. The comprehension of love by the masses also comes across to me both abstract and intellectual, which is not a compliment. This makes a strong case for personal experience of Truth of Reality without the need for preaching by religions, for love is the underlying basis of creation and sums up the entirety of God's creative processes.
Some things cannot be learned by being told about. Just as in business, a personal visit to seal a deal remains safer than a phone call or email.

I do apologise for the length of my post, I know NL is about comment-quickies. Enjoy.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 12:07pm On Apr 24, 2016
LoJ:
First time(s) fear and anguish. Some curiosity too. But this in turn prevents deep experiences.
The other you are quite normal, depending also on what you experience. People are usually afraid of the unknown. So the more an experience is a mystery, the more they are likely to be afraid, and the shorter that experience will be.

But as far as I am concerned, I encourage nobody to train in occult techniques to learn in Astral projection and similar issues. Not because they are bad per se, but they can be dangerous and should not be attempted out of curiosity.

The best is to grow spiritualy by learning to love others, and those things shall come naturally, and unforced. When they are natural, they are safe.
Well said Loj. But I must disagree that is dangerous oh. Scary like you mentioned, yes, but dangerous, nah. What harm could come to someone who is in the most invulnerable state a being can be in. Or do you perhaps mean with regards to not making it back to the body? I have had "terrible" experiences but they stopped the moment I realised I was the one creating them.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 11:53am On Apr 24, 2016
ifenes:
That's normal. I did when I was a child and lost ability. What a beautiful experience. Nothing else mattered to me back then. Enjoy.
Hello Ifenes, Two things stood out in your comment. That it was beautiful experience and that you lost it.

Indeed it IS a beautiful experience, no be for mouth, I must say. The type I like the most is the none-subjective one, what some refer to as 'real-time' OOBEs, and not the 'astral' sort. The ability to float around and fly around freely is priceless.

I remember as a five year old, I broke the tap in my neighbour's house when playing with kids there, actually it was already broken, it just came off when I wanted to use it, after all I was just five, how can I break a metal tap? I felt so guilty that I ran away to my place and went to bed. Next thing I knew, I had the urge to go back and did. When I got there, I met them debating who broke the tap because the water had been running ever since, to my dismay. I told them that it was me, but they ignored me. I believed that they were so upset with me and didn't want to speak with me or play with me any more. They suddenly rushed upstairs and I went along and still no one acknowledged my presence. What a treatment, I thought. I turned around and went home, and never went back there again, convinced I was not welcome.

Only later on in life did I realise, shit, they couldn’t see me! I also realised that at no point in that experience did I have a body, I was wholly Mind. As a kid, that was heartbreaking, but as an older kid, that was like whoa!

I think one of the reasons I never lost the ability was simply because I did not share it. How could I have when I couldn’t even tell the difference between when I was embodied or disembodied. Truly a beautiful experience that one, when considered in hindsight.

The kids today, they’re all doing it, constantly. They are not just aware of it. Sleep paralysis is evidence of it for at that point, most do not know they are already out of body albeit coincident to it. Redirecting thoughts away from the body in most cases completes the egress. Some kids wake up screaming from what they think are nightmares, along with parents pouring the “blood of Jesus,” into the fire without realising that the kid was merely out of body and busy creating thought forms without realising it. They’ve probably just watched something on television which imprinted. Who can blame parents? Most simply do not know any better.

I am stating the above merely for the record should someone need this info, that there is nothing to be worried about and the skill should be encouraged and nurtured, not stifled through innocent ignorance. If you ever dreamt, then you’ve left your body, and we 'dream' all the time.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 11:28am On Apr 24, 2016
Rossikki:
It is proof that we are immortal spiritual beings, and need no religion or belief system to transit to the afterlife.
Proof positive indeed. Also, it can be a heck of a cure to the hell fire madness.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 2:19pm On Apr 21, 2016
LoJ:
Hello,

Nice Thread, especially for a scientist. I too, have had such experiences for a long time. What exactly do you want to know?
Hello LoJ,

I just realised by your question that I did not word the topic well. Done.
It's not really what I want to know of it so much as what I want to check to see of people's view points and experiences on the subject matter and so on. I am flattered that you think me a scientists. I doubt you'd say that if I stated the fact that my highest formal education is secondary school, and even at that I just barely got away with a pass on the science subjects.
...but thank you. smiley

I'm glad to see that someone has had or does have the experiences and acknowledges it for what it is. I am still very curious as to the general perception of the 'phenomenon' in spite of today's...well, more enlightened society called Nigeria. I am looking into this natural occurrence or 'phenomenon' as a new method of Spiritual and Scientific inquiry. I strongly believe that once a fool-proof technique for out-of-body-experiences is perfected, readily replicable and of course, effortlessly inducible, humankind will experience growth and evolution in leaps and bounds beyond what is currently imagined. Why? Because "there are more things in 'heaven and earth', Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

There are two fundamental problems with humankind right now, which hinder its growth in and into grace and dignity. They are religion and methods of inquiry, science. Indeed these two are like brackets that encompass all things else. I do not need to take too much time to outline the inherent, self-evident problems that religion is causing. The Source of Creation, that which we casually refer to as 'God' is instead fashioned by almost all theologies/religions into the image and likeness of spiritually evolving Man itself rather than vice-versa, while they convince themselves otherwise. This... objective He-God is extremely problematic, emotionally fickle and very, very violent. How else do religions justify killing? How else do most fear-based religions weild such power and control over billions? How else is it possible that the human species has experienced no real spiritual evolution in millenia, despite attempts by many illuminates like Lao Tzu, Bhudda, Krishna, "Jesus", Muhammad, etc? Their enlightened teachings having been twisted and contorted such that most are merely shadows of themselves today.

Science on the hand has lost its original thrust as a method of inquiry. It is now wholly materialistic, a way of life, an end rather than a means to an end. Very few, if not all of its theories and laws have any relation whatsoever to truth of existence, and when such "laws" come close to truth, they are half-baked as to be equally false. The general attitude is "if my instruments cannot detect it, nor my eyes see it, then it's not real." Yet they spout one outrageous theory after another so much so that I am left wondering if science should not just be simply labelled a religion and its theories, theology. With the very same eyes which can clearly "see" that the railroad tracks meet on the horizon, they presume that empirical data is the "bread of life." In the example of the railroad track, they are enabled to know the truth of their never meeting on the horizon because they can walk the track, yet they will not consider what other illusions of nature they have fallen prey to simply because they cannot walk such 'tracks'.

Ideally, both parties should be a couple, sharing their completeness with each other, always proving the other, not disproving each other. The question now becomes, what is the way forward? It is my humble opinion, that the way forward is any means which enables each individual to adopt a perspective that allows questions to be irrefutably answered, for self. The means is non other than the ability to willfully separate from the body while it still lives, and become wholly mind. Out-of-body-experience.

Is it only a hand full of people who realise the benefit this will bring humankind? I wonder. Look at some benefits to both parties and by extension, to humankind:

Religions: No longer will a mass of individuals be required to..."take the preachers words and his holy books" as sacrosanct. Religions weild such ungodly power over the minds of people through their fear-teachings of a vengeful, jealous, volatile God who will cast them to hell to burn for all eternity. People are thus duped to conform to outrageous "truths." Hell will be self-proved through personal direct investigation which OOBEs afford, as a figment of our collective imagination, quite literally. The "astral frequencies of perception" are so fast that each our thoughts manifest instantly, and in effect, when people die and go to the "spirit land," they are immediately greeted by their belief system. The one who thinks it is a sinner winds up in a hell of its own imagining and stays there till they quite simply, change their thoughts on the matter and trust me, that happens very quickly, it is quite funny actually. This accounts for why people come back from an NDE with different, very subjective accounts of the "after life." Angels or Demons, 'pick ya poison'. lol!

In the 'mind realm' or astral realm there are equally all sorts of "heavens". Christian (Catholic, penticostal, methodists etc) heavens, Muslim heavens, Jewish heavens, this heaven and that heaven. All stay there, till they 'snap out of their consensus madness'. Anyone who has ever woken up inside their dreams and said "hey.......this is ain't real, cats don't have wings" grin is personally familiar with the effect of the scene just melting away, as proof of WHO exactly is doing the creating--self!
Through personal experience, we will be enabled to kiss the fear of hell goodbye and religion will thus die a natural death, for in its present form it does great, great disservice to us all. If you doubt me, look around you with sincere eyes. People are generally afraid of thinking for themselves and prefer someone else do so for them. Now they get to truly THINK.

Science: The 'empirical attitude' has its limitations. It's like coming to a party half way through and counting the drinks which remain and then call it fact. Scientists chase shadows. They will learn eventually, that by the time you can quantify a thing, the "magic" has already occurred. It is for this reason that most of its theories which are close to truth are only half way there. However, half truth is still no truth. If one conisders that matter is spirit coalesced, by the time you see matter, then the party is half way through. Matter is an effect and spirit is cause, and I do not mean that in a 'woo-woo' way. The scientist will be enabled to peer into the mysteries of creation, the WHY of things. She will see, no, she will KNOW exactly how God creates her universe and follow along attentively in the processes of the birth of matter from spirit and its journey back to spirit for repetition. Humankind will attain greater progress in technical advances, and have the capacity to utilise them responsibly. At this point we have iust toys really, and look how we use them, to maim and kill, rather than to grow together in grace, dignity and the spirit of discovery.

We will eventually discover that science and religion (philosophy) are two sides of the same coin and that the coin itself is 'God'. That God is both the greatest scientist and philosopher. If every individual can experience this for themselves as KNOWING rather than by the "preaching" or "memorise and regurgitate" model of learning we use today, both of which are intellectual rather than experiential in nature, would there be wars? Hunger amidst bounty? Suffering? Struggle?
These ills are our collective-consensus creations caused by lack of TRUTH on this world, not a guy called 'Devil'. That nonsense will no longer fly as people learn to take full responsibility for their thoughts, much less actions which manifest those thoughts, because God uses mind to create through thinking and since we and God IS one, we are ultimately the creators of our difficulties. This is fact to be experienced and known, not intellectualised, if I may.

The time is right for this mass discovery, for we are dragging our world to our hells in a hand-basket.
Science/TechnologyRe: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by SidL(m):
Gluthatione:
Big bang is the explosion leading to the formation of universe,that is the cosmic event that mark the beginning of time and rapid enpansion of space for the visible universe.


A contradiction exists here which you may not be aware of. The accused cannot also be jury, much less judge in a case against itself. How can it be that you believe the big bang led to the formation of the universe (stars and planets) according to your fact-appearing sentence above, and yet you don't believe it, per your points below? Which then is which? An irrelevant point, but I just thought you should know.

My personal disagreement with the idea of a big bang or nova is not in the theory itself, it's in the claims by academia that the universe will die a heat death once all the stuff which got flung out at that event run out of their heat. It is supported, supposedly, by the so-called "laws" of thermodynamics. The big band theory is one of the many academic theories which is close to the truth because, and thank goodness, they have a correct working premise upon which they have drawn the conclusion of an orginating big bang. Their premise is non other than what is clearly observable in space as forming nebulae. My favourite one is the ring nebula because it presents itself to us for viewing from a most perfect angle, "top-down". A perfect example of its profile view would be the dumb-bell nebula.

'Heavenly bodies' are formed by no other way. Space is coalesced or compressed into a hot dense sphere and at the limit of compression of space, by space itself, an equatorial explosion/bang/nova occurs and the dense sphere becomes a ring out of which other bodies are fashioned. However, in the case of the ring nebula, a close observation reveals that the cause of the nova is still there, please look up this fact yourself. It's not going anywhere. Closer to home, you can see this truth in our solar system's planets with rings. Those rings will eventually be wound up to form a moon, as suns do same to form planets and super suns do same to form galaxies. The source of creation has creative rules which are consistent and predictable.

So, yes and no. A big bang IS the cause and birth place of all celestial bodies. No, all current forming nebulae do not have their source in an original or singular big bang which occurred ages ago. The acedemia has this one half correct. What is missing is their lack of acceptance that any point in space can be the beginning of the source of a new big bang and this makes a case for the presence of creative intelligence behind it all.

If I need to hear the sound of clapping, I do not need to go to the market to buy materials to generate the sound. At any point in space, I can simply, well, clap my hands.

Creation is intelligently organised, intelligently. It is anything but a collection of happy random coincidences, despite all attempts to convince people otherwise. Galactic suns, solar system suns, planets and moons naturally centre wave fields which prevent them from crashing into each other. I'm not sure where people get that "crashing" notion from.



Now this is the reason i will never believe in big bang theory
1 What causes the explosion in the first place & what formed it?
Condensation of space itself.
2 Why is it still expanding ?
For the same reason that animals send away their offspring when developed, to make room for new offspring. Notwithstanding that some of our local system's planets are not really planets or natural, the outer planets all started where mercury now is. As they grew older, they got pushed away to make way for new planets. It's that simple. It's not entropy or whatever they call the rundown process, its ever continuous creative activity.
3 Out of several trillions of planet in the universe why is it that life is thriving in just only one of them ? Even in our own galaxy there are 200-400 billions planets no evidence of life in them.
Who told you there is no life on them? NASA? Even our moon is occupied, and I'm not referring to the Russian, American (which they do not control anymore) and Nazi bases there. Who do you suppose are the Gods of the bible and many other faith-books? What do you suppose a "pillar of cloud by day and fire by night" means?.
4 Now as complex as universe is,do you think it is possible for universe to have created itself and life randomly formed on earth as evolutionists claimed?

Absolutely not! Once a planet moves to an optimum distance from the sun, cools down and is atmospherically readied by universe management folks, "life" is seeded. All bodies are purposefully designed in "heavenly labs" if I may, and seeded where appropriate.

Now lets talk about evolution which is the change in the genetic composition of a population over successive generations.
Now the first protein which is building block of life how does it formed?(Abiogenesis).Don't tell me it formed by chance 'probabilistic calculations' because experimentally this is highly impossible.

You are right. Neither is it made by a magic-wand waving-God either.

Great guys out there what do you say about this ,do you believe in evolution and big bang theory.What do you say about this?
PoliticsRe: We Need To Get Rid Of These Corrupt Political Class by SidL(m): 10:20pm On Apr 19, 2016
What we need to do is rid ourselves of politcs as a form of people affairs management. The very idea of politics denotes untruths. Politicians should not lead a people. Leadership is not a profession, it's a calling to be of service. Politics on the other hand na work... for personal bread.
FamilyRe: How Do You Handle A Stubborn Kid? by SidL(m): 7:05pm On Apr 19, 2016
It is revenge against a child. Pure and simple. The problem is children (adults) are bearing children. Completely uniformed about child raising.
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 1:12pm On Apr 19, 2016
taurus25:
lol.........can you expantiate
Of course, as long you take responsibility for this abominable deviation from the thread's topic.

An atom, the ultimate particle is nothing more than four concentric rings surrounding an area of space. It is all around in concept, for you to see without the need for a microscope. The atom is not as projected by Mr. Rutherford. There is absolutely no premise whatsoever for his model of the atom anywhere in creation. Chemically, the ultimate atom is the inert gas. Electrically, those rings are the electric current aka electricity.

Those rings have one task, to compress space into a sphere through a process which will constitute an extreme deviation and abomination from this thread's thrust. When that task is over, they expand back into "God" or space which birthed them. This phenomenon is plain to see in our solar system. Saturn's rings, anybody?
The problem with Science is it always assumes different principles for different scales. How anyone believes anything they say in spite of overwhelming evidence quite to the contrary marvels me.

"God" has not one set of rules for one affair, and a different set for another. If the acedmia could only overcome their hubris, they would see their own errors. But no, they prefer to go ahead pile one error atop another. Once upon a time it was classical physics. Today it's quantum physics. Utterly hilarious. Tomorrow?

These same people who will accept no input by anyone outside of their ranks who hints to them their errors, are the ones to be taken seriously about parallel universes?
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 12:03pm On Apr 19, 2016
SirWere:
The OP simply asked where GOD factors in all this....


I was expecting you to say some deep stuff like the universe is God, or we are all interconnected....


Or some other stuff like God rules over us and the like




But instead, you ran about babbling some incoherent nonsense about the two great pillars on which mordern life stands upon.




Damn
What the hell is wrong with you people? How am I babbling because you disagree with me?

Now, look at my post you've just quoted, what does paragraph six say with regards to your "expectations?"
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 11:59am On Apr 19, 2016
Folks, ultimately. The question to be asked is what is Truth of Existence. I think it's time to abandon theories, for the TRUTH of the matter is not beyond our understanding. I believe the academia is ill qualified to broach the things they do.

Everything from the model of the atom to the question of what electricity (which is front us) is, isnot true.

What, if I may ask, is the premise of claims to parallel/multi universes? Is there even one?
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 11:49am On Apr 19, 2016
johnydon22:
I asked a question and that post was your answer? then obviously you have a rather convoluted way of bringing up an answer that goes round and touches unnecessary things and doesn't still answer the question.
That's much better. I prefer this tone. You have said what you needed to without speaking to me as if I'm Google bot. If something doesn't make sense, seek clarification not throw fits. My reference to aethiesm is not to you, I know to whom I speak. I do apologise if it appears that I called YOU an aethist, but you may not speak to me that way again, please. Thank you.

Now listen, here's my point. The topic is essentially "universe versus multiverse."

I am saying, that with regards multiverse--which is MY personal bone of contention--that its theory belongs to the acedemia, and they have a lot of theories which in my opinion are outrageous.

Again I ask, its a simple question really, what need has "God" for such?

Further more, I am saying, as a matter of 'discussion' that discussions and such based on false premises ends up nowhere.

Multiverse to my understanding claims that we each exist as infinite copies of selves in parallel 'identical' universes, moreso, doing and being different things. Have you seen Jet li's movie on the topic?
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 11:06am On Apr 19, 2016
johnydon22:
whathuh from whence came all this unnecessary banter and who in the world said i was arguing for a multiverse.

everybody knows when i argue..

and what in the world brought atheism into this..?

This is a discussion on what people think on the Hypothesis of multiverse not an argument please do not go about jumping into what is not there.

from the OP

So now our subject of discussion is, what is your personal opinion about the
state of nature, is it only restricted to 1 universe or is our universe 1 out of
many?

Give your reasons and points for holding such speculation..

Is our universe alone or One out of many??


Now i'd appreciate next time you don't go jump conjuring up arguments where there is none, read things and try to comprehend before meshing up unrelated posts in response, and if what you wrote above is supposed to be an argument then it's totally a pity.
Ok, first of all, don't be rude!

Second
johnydon22:
What is God (which ever one you are talking about) doing with this one?
You asked a question, and I answered. Who now is bantering? Who is jumping in? Understand that you are talking to a person next time you say such nasty things.

Thank you.
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m): 10:51am On Apr 19, 2016
johnydon22:
What is God (which ever one you are talking about) doing with this one?
I merely used "God" since that is what most are familiar with. For the record, I am not religious, neither am I into aethiesm, a vibe I'm picking up here.

The source of creation, or what most think they refer to when they say "God" is the "blackness" of space itself. Space is everywhere and it is intelligent.
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And so I asked, what need has "God" for parallel universes as touted by academia and supported by Hollywood of Jet li's The One type-fame?

Your arguments here are interesting, but you are arguing theories made up by people who pretend they know what they are talking about.

It has been said that every conclusion is only as good as the premise upon which it is based. If the premise is in error, so will the conclusion be. Now being that it is... 'human' to base one conclusion atop another, it is self-evident how humankind multiplies its errors in conclusions exponentially and predictably.

Source of Creation or the cosmos or space or God--whatever--is orderly and has no need for parallels of the sort you argue.

What I see here is arguments for arguments sake, more so on conjectures, and I mean no disrespect in so saying.

Perhaps if science and religions would be so kind as to extract their heads from their collective rectums to work together as two equal and necessary halfs of a sphere, we as a species would be much further ahead in discovering Truths of Existence.

I initially wrote a long response to this thread in the particlar post you have quoted but scrubbed it. Just fyi. We indeed have much to learn as a species. Religions and science have failed woefully in that regard. It is little wonder why people tell themselves that they are atheists, the theologies are truly sickening, but... unfortunately, so is science.
EducationRe: A Housemaster Injures SS3 Student In Ogun State(graphic Photos) by SidL(m): 10:27am On Apr 19, 2016
andyanders:
Have you gone to the school to report to the school principal? Take this photograph and go to the State Ministry of Education and also to the police. The teacher should be dismissed and also charged to court.

He has no moral right to flog or inflict any sort of wound on any child.

The Federal Ministry of Education should also step into this issue.
In other words, as long as no wound is inflicted, its "ok?"

No, a teacher has no right under any circumstance to beat anyone, much less a child. Children are also humans and there are laws on such matters as assault, which is assault. If an adult were to 'flog' me, I ought to report such one to the police for assault.

I mean, what's next? Rape children? After all they are not adults?

This all needs to stop. It does not work as a means of correction. It is simply REVENGE--against a child--nothing more. This equally applies to parents as it does teachers.
FamilyRe: Kids Kissing And Smooching In Church In Lagos - Photos by SidL(m): 10:23am On Apr 19, 2016
iukpe:
The parents of these kids should be sort out and questioned about the children's exposure and their method of up bringing. These days adults don't care about kids when they are talking adult talk, watching movies etc.
Kids only replicate what they see out of their innocence and curiosity. Rather than filming, the adult who saw them first should have screamed at them, to register in their brain that what they are engaged in is fundamentally wrong, then take action appropriately to correct them. I would have gone round there my self to arrest them.
I would have taken a snapshot anyway, else some parents might argue it never happened, to your shame or to cover their embarrassment.
I don't get it. How is it fundamentally wrong? Is it really a replication or emulation of adults that stirs the interest of kids in sexual affairs or is it biological and therefore natural? Sometimes I wonder if people in general were born as adults rather as normal babies who grew into adults. I say so because it comes across to me that we all seem to have forgotten our interests in sex at tender ages. Do you somehow conceive that young ones are not aware of their sexed natures?

I don't see anything wrong with it. What we resists persists. What we label taboos linger. If you view this from the perspective of innocent curiosity which fades away as all things else, interests and sexual hangups of the obsessive-compulsive type which typify "adults" will be non-existent.

We indeed have much to learn, much of it having to do with our powers of observation of what does not work. Repression, shame, guilt, sexual hypocrisy does not work.
EducationRe: A Housemaster Injures SS3 Student In Ogun State(graphic Photos) by SidL(m): 10:07am On Apr 19, 2016
Perhaps it's time to draft 'laws' on this matter.
FamilyRe: Kids Kissing And Smooching In Church In Lagos - Photos by SidL(m): 5:05pm On Apr 18, 2016
banmee:
Nigerians are the worst hypocrites on earth. As if they were never kids. As if they never did worse. No wonder they are so repressed sexually.
Repressed and depressed.
FamilyRe: Kids Kissing And Smooching In Church In Lagos - Photos by SidL(m): 5:04pm On Apr 18, 2016
onatisi:
They learnt it from their parents,seniors at home and from tv movies .
Parents and adults must be very very careful what they do in the presence of kids nowadays,
It is precisely the parents, who as far as practical should do some of this in front of their kids. What is a better demonstration of the fact that this activity is shared in love and mutual respect?
FamilyRe: Kids Kissing And Smooching In Church In Lagos - Photos by SidL(m): 4:40pm On Apr 18, 2016
Really, I dont see anything wrong with this. They have discovered that they are sexual beings and are sharing this and enjoying every moment of it. Why is the most natural thing an abomination, because they are enjoying it? Most do not and will not understand that problems of sexuality and hangups experienced as adults--who for some strange reason treat their sex lives as if they stole it--find its root in repression and blatant hypocrisy of the species on the subject matter. You are all experiencing nothing but jealousy about this young couple, not disgust. You are so worried that your children will discover and experience the exquisite ecstacy of their sexed nature that you send your boys off to boys school and your girls to girls', and simply wonder why they pick up new habits and then label them a "form of sexuality."

As parents, when you detect a quickening of interest of your kids in matters of sexuality, you are to guide them. Tell then how delicious the experience is, that such is their right and that when they eventually encounter a willing partner, that this experience must be shared in grace and dignity... or something to that effect. Our current handling of the matter has not worked, that is why we end up as adults still inordinately obsessed with our peepees and pumpums. We use them as tools of power and control over each rather than a glorious celebration of love.

The fact remains that kids are becoming more developed in body at far much earlier ages than our days. The sex-urge is a biological prerogative much like peeing and pooping and this prerogative does not readily make itself available to anyone's mora-ethical or philosophical opinion on the matter. We ought to view the subject matter from a more enlightened perspective, and quit it already with our self-righteous approach which does not work, self-evidently.

I think an enlightened young couple of the same age discovering themselves is a far much more acceptable reality to me than such discovery at the hands of an adult such as cousin slippery-fingers and madam's oga (for those of you with teen house maids in your homes).
PoliticsRe: Yuan Swap Deal: Sublime Or Ridiculous? by SidL(m): 3:47am On Apr 18, 2016
Nigeria could also sell oil in Yuan. I'm no economist, but wouldn't that assist with increasing our Yuan reserves? Then again, and perhaps this question goes to the economists, since this is a swap, does it mean that the Naira-Yuan will be exchanged at a rate immune to market forces of demand and supply? Sorry if that's a bumb question.
Science/TechnologyRe: Universe Or Multiverse. (A Discussion) by SidL(m):
What need would 'God' have for parallel universes.
Christianity EtcRe: Out-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op): 10:14am On Apr 17, 2016
lol! What makes you say that? Thanks for the material.
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Universe Purely "Material" & "Physical"? by SidL(m): 9:31am On Apr 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Thoughts create matter . Thoughts come from the mind . The mind created matter . God has the mind . God created matter
I like this. I would add that thoughts of mind are creative. Since the mind of the source of creation (God) centres us, we and God IS one--we are all thus creators of our personal realities through what we think of it, good or bad. Imagine when many individual minds (mass mind) focus one thought, very creative. I realise I am going off topic, but I am stating this because we do not realise that all of us have created Nigeria through our collective thoughts, which reading through many threads, is very negative. Thoughts expressed as WORD is very powerful. We really need to watch it!
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Universe Purely "Material" & "Physical"? by SidL(m): 9:21am On Apr 17, 2016
johnydon22:
What is consciousness to start with
Awareness.
Christianity EtcRe: Primate Ayodele: Buhari Can’t Take Us To Promise Land, Nigeria Will Break Up by SidL(m): 9:18am On Apr 17, 2016
Could it be that each of us is the messiah we've been waiting for?
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Fair That A Mere 70 Years Of ‪‎Sin‬ Be Punished By An Eternity In ‪‎Hell? by SidL(m): 9:17am On Apr 17, 2016
There is no hell fire. The claim that there is such a thing is why many of us are stuck in religions. Hence the term "fear-based religions." In other words, going through life with an imaginary gun pointed at your heads, by your beliefs.
Christianity EtcOut-of-body-experience Aka Astral Projection. A discussion. by SidL(op):
Happy Sunday all.

I have been having this experience spontaneously since I was a child. What do you think of it?

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