Is that a good thing? From evidence, no.

patmaine:



unfortunately no one asked you. because you are not the judge....

even if it does not require disqualification. perjury is a crime with jail term. except he 'll reign from kirikiri

And winning the election grants Buhari immunity for four years.

And you're of the assumption that he lied in his statement, which is also in doubt. So what if he said the truth in his statement? Then we would have wasted the court and Buhari's time.

Let PDP save their court energy for the corruption charges against Jonathan

patmaine:




this is his argument

The plaintiff formulated one question for the court’s determination,
which is “Whether the information given by Buhari in the prescribed
forms and submitted to INEC for the 2015 presidential election does
not contain falsehood?”
If yes, Okafor equally asked whether Buhari should not, therefore, be
disqualified from the said election.

The answer to that question is No. Falsehood in the information submitted does not disqualify Buhari. Not possessing the required educational attainment is what disqualifies him.

nwadiuko1:
and I think the certificate is the evidence of training......else every other person can as well claim to be trained

That is the issue. The constitution does not ask for evidence. That is where people are missing the point. You can claim to be educated to that level and you would be qualified. The only way to disqualify you is to prove that you were never educated to that level. Which in Buhari's case, the US war college has proven that he infact is educated past the required minimum.

Blame the constitution, not Buhari.

nwadiuko1:
so you are indirectly saying that. A person that acquired his certificates fraudulently(and has been exposed and the certificate revoked) can now use it(revoked certificate) as a legitimate credential for employment? Or that a person who has experience in medicine due to his close proximity with doctors can now be called or equated with a certified medical doctor? For real?

According to the Nigerian constitution as it applies to qualification for running for presidency, Yes. You can. All you require is for a higher institution to say that you attended or gained entrance to the institution. Simple as that.

You should blame the constitution, not Buhari.

Just like the company you apply for determines what qualification entails, the constitution has also determined what qualification entails. And by the constitutional description, Buhari is qualified.

Vent your anger at the constitution, not Buhari.

Lecture time. I'll start with this statement: Everything and Nothing is a function of perspective.

You ask how? I'll tell you.

First of, we'll start with "Time and Space".

Generally, we humans perceive or define time and space as a bubble in which events occur. Time is a measure of events to other events, and Space is the medium through which these events occur. That is our perspective.

Now, being a very imaginative (in our perspective) specie, we try to figure out what "outside time and space" is.

For something or an event to be "outside time and space" it would need to not possess any quality at all.

You know why? Because for any quality or characteristic to be possessed is a function of space. And for those characteristics to be exhibited is a function of time.

In other words, if something can be described or explained or said to possess any quality at all, it would be required to be within time and space.

Basically, to be "outside time and space" is to not BE.


Now let me explain that using the popular "uncaused cause" or supernatural/dietal view.

For a diety or being or God to possess qualities like Omnipotence, Omnipresence etc is an indication that said deity is under the influence of time and space, only on a different perspective.

Let me break it down using "Omnipotence". Omnipotence is defined as having the ability to cause any effect. Get it? "Having", "Ability" and "Effect". Like i pointed out, possessing the ability to do something is a function of space. Using that ability is a function of time. So therefore every diety that can be imagined to posses any quality from Eternal life to Omnibenovolence is under the influence of time and space to a perspective larger than it.


So if our universe was caused by an event or a being, that being would be acting under the influence of its own version of time and space while we act on our own version of time and space.

That brings us to the definition of "Time and Space". Remember when I said everything is a perspective? Yes, that is it.

Our perspective of time and space starts with the beginning of our universe, which was/is an event and is also subject to its own perspective of time and space. That is to say that we living in this universe are subject to a version of time and space, and anything outside this universe is subject to its own version of time and space.

So when you ask about things that exist "outside time and space", you have just described a quality (of existing outside time and space) and therefore are looking for something or events outside your personal or general perspective of time, but are still subject to their own personal or general perspective of time and space.

Let us look at perspectives between our universe, you as a human and a photon.

To a photon created few moments ago from a star, time and space came into existence few moments ago. It's existence and actions are all within its bubble of time and space (which to us is a few moments in the past and a few in the future). And in few moments it would cease to exist. And that would be the end of its perspective of time and space.

To you as a human, your perspective of time and space begins with the beginning of the bubble of time and space you find yourself in (our universe) and ends with the end of this universe.

To the universe its perspective of time and space is contained within its own bubble of time and space (the situation of a possible multiverse). To it (our universe), everything inside it came into existence few moments ago.

So even though we all have different perspectives of time, space and what constitutes "outside time and space" (To a photon, we are outside time and space. To us anything outside our universe is outside time and space. And to our universe, every thing outside the possible multiverse is outside time and space), and we interact with one another in certain ways (a photon interacts with us, and we in turn interact with the universe) we are all still under a larger version/perspective of time and space.


In general, for anything to exist, it is subject to a version of time and space.
Now you may ask 'What of things that exist outside the highest form of space and time?'

Well, since you've described it as having the quality of existing, then you have also indicated that whatever that thing is, it is still under its own version of time and space though that version is not understood by you.

In conclusion for anything to exist outside time and space, it would have to posses no quality whatsoever, so ability and in general, NO EXISTENCE.


Ladies and Gentlemen, now you know why dieties that posses qualities cannot be the "uncaused cause" of time and space.


Thank you for reading, and have a nice day.

Eone:


What GMB quoted is what is in contention and not what he should have quoted. He should have submitted evidence of having attended War College and not going as far as deposing to an affidavit and subsequently presenting a certificate-whether fake or not. #GMB'sintegrity .

What you don't get is that the constitution does not require him to present anything. INEC are the ones who asked for his statement of result, and the same INEC said it is satisfied with that. The lawyer is just running around in circles. What does he want the court to do? If the statement of result is false, the degree from the war college surpasses it and Buhari would still be qualified to run for presidency.

Yes, he can be persecuted for forgery, but according to the requirement for qualification, unless Buhari is imprisoned for forgery before Feb 14th ( which we know will not happen), he is still qualified even with a pending court case to contest for presidency. It's just a waste of time. The case should have been brought up since last year.

And we are assuming he forged his result, which is very much in doubt. But even with that, War college beats Waec result any day any time. Buhari is in a situation permitted by the constitution. So PDP should get ready for the election and save the time of the court.

patmaine:

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did you even read the post..go back and check the lawyers argument

I read the post. What I'm saying is that the only reason Buhari can be disqualified from running for Presidency is if he never attended a higher institution and the result for Waec is false. If his result is false but he attended a higher institution (war college), he can be persecuted for forging his result, but not disqualified from running for presidency. That is the loop hole in the Nigerian constitution.

So far, his result has been verified by the exam body he took it under, and the higher institution he attended. So this court case is as good as dead. There's virtually no way to disqualify Buhari. What the lawyer should hope is that he loses the election (which is in doubt), not that the court should disqualify Buhari. There's no ground for disqualification. And the lawyer even included INEC that has no business with verification of certificates. It's just a waste of court time

nwadiuko1:
bro I don't think you know anything about law......if buhari's waec or wasce is false then that alone renders every other certificate he must have gotten through the assumed passing of the waec null and void........I have seen where a banker's certificate (bsc) was revoked because he gained admission with "oluwole" neco..... And that's after 4 years of working....peace

What you don't understand is you can revoke his certificates, but you cannot take back the things he has learnt. That is the issue people fail to understand. The constitution does not ask for your certificate, but that you should attain a certain level of education.


Even if US war college takes back Buhari's certificate, he by virtue of having attended the college in the first place already means he's qualified. Just like a University taking back your degree doesn't mean you didn't attend it. The constitution is the issue. It is interpreted as all Buhari needed to do is gain admission into a higher institution than a secondary school and he is qualified to run for president. That is why you should look for the constitution to be amended and not for his certificate. As long as he was admitted to a college and graduated, he is qualified. Even if his degree is taken away. That's what makes the Nigerian constitution a joke, but it's a joke that is been used effectively.

deletrue:
How do we now prove that the forged result was also not used for the admission in the US war school. If not that Nigerians are very wise to have detected the forgery, Buhari would have gone through. Oya take your leg walker go to the US war college and bring the photocopy so we can cross check with the forged copy.

Even if you prove the WAEC was forged, did Buhari forge the War College Degree? He must have passed their tests and exams by himself. Which also indicates that he has attained the minimum constitutional requirement.

Any way you look at it, Buhari is qualified.

deletrue:
Na your own correct. Buhari fit present any toilet role, provided he has provided something, since no evidence is required. You are indeed toping the foolish Nigerians, tufiakwa.

You must be one of those who can't read. Go back and read what I posted. For the US war college to verify that Buhari graduated from their Army college proves Buhari has surpassed the constitutional minimum requirement. Buhari has no need to provide any certificate less than that of the war college including his Waec or any other certificate that is less than a College degree.

Read more, it will help you

When Buhari wins this case, PDP would weep. They say Buhari is not qualified? Hahaha... Only that statement from the US and UK war colleges would win this case. This is what happens when so called graduates of Law can't interpret the constitution. And they call themselves lawyers? Even a layman knows that the constitution states that the minimum is first school certificate. So having a college certificate surpasses a first school certificate.

But let me not talk. Let non idiotic lawyers point that out in court.

Bunch of idiots claiming they went to law school.

Furthermore, to those people saying the constitution requires Buhari to show his certificate, know this: No where in the constitution is a candidate required to provide proof of their qualification. It is the duty of the political party fielding the candidate to verify that the candidate is qualified.

INEC only asks that the candidate state their qualification, not to prove it. And at that, INEC has vividly declared that they are satisfied with what has been given or shown to them. And as such have deemed Buhari qualified to contest.

This court case is just a minor distraction and that is why Buhari's camp isn't paying attention to it. When it comes down to it, PDP and its supporters would finally understand what the constitution says, and maybe would start thinking of amending the constitution first before attempting to twist it to favor them

B

dhardline:
Once a man is past 40 years only God can change him,Until then h still remains who he is.GMB is not a changed man.

OBJ was over 40, and he changed.

Muslims do not remove their caps, it is their religion. And no where in the Bible did they say men should remove their caps. Why doesn't the pope remove his?

If you're a Christian you would know that removing your cap is a sign of respect to the Pope and not to God.


And yes, Buhari did things in the past that every Military leader is needed to do. But now in a democratic situation, even a leopard can change its spots. Look at OBJ. His first tenure as MHOS was far different from his second as CHOS.

Democracy changes people and societies. And that is what all well meaning Nigerians want. A change.

Every man wants to make profit. Only very few will go about it honestly.

Well said. I and a good number of other people have both benefitted and suffered from the corruption in the land, but now that i know i can change that and guarantee better terms for my children and future generations, I'm ready and willing to pay the price for a better country.

At least let my children know that their father contributed in trying to fix his dying country.

Power is as power does. Look at the pictures and tell me who has power, who doesn't and who pretends to have power.