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italo: @ Sirgen05, i dont know if you realise that these are the questions i wanted you to answer

I'll answer u when I come back from church. Thanks a lot.

italo: You say those who do works in 'unrighteousness' will go to heaven.

Then you say any sin not taken care of will land the sinner in hell.

Is unrighteousness not sin?

What do you actually believe?

Will a fornicator who does works go to heaven or hell?

TAKE NOTE PLS.
We have two types of salvations! Only those who partook in d 1st will be in 2nd.
1st is the Salvation from Sin while on earth. When we repent of our sins we are saved by Faith.

2nd is Ultimate Salvation. That is salvation from this world of sin, sickness, satan, temptation, sufferings etc. We'll still experience sickness, satan's attack etc while we ar on the 1st salvation. But the 2nd which is when Christ shall come to give us a new celestial body without sickness, pain, suffering etc.

italo: You say those who do works in 'unrighteousness' will go to heaven.

Then you say any sin not taken care of will land the sinner in hell.

Is unrighteousness not sin?

What do you actually believe?

Will a fornicator who does works go to heaven or hell?

NO UNRIGHTEOUS PERSON WILL GO TO HEAVEN:

Now see what I meant. While a Christian is on earth, and he commits sin but did not confess it, all good works done then are counted unrighteous. If he dies without confessing the sins, certainly he will go to hell! But if while still living he confesses his sins, may be few days after the sin (while still alive) and maintain his righteousness, he'll go to heaven and all works done after confession is counted as gold and not burnt. But those done in those few days of unconfessed state, are hay, stubble and wood, will be burnt. But cos he later confessed he'll make heaven and receive rewards for good works done thereafter!

A born again child of God who backslides and become a fornicator, if he dies without restoration to Christ, will go to hell and good works done while a Christian a waste. But if he repents and forgiven while alive, all good things done while in backslidden state will be hay and wood and be burnt. But cos he later repented he will be delivered from eternal death!

Thanks. God bless u!

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italo: 1 Cor 3:15

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Can someone tell me where a man will suffer loss, yet be saved as one escaping through the flames?

Is it heaven? There is no loss or fire in heaven.

Is it hell? No one will be saved in hell.

If it is not purgatory, where is it?

Thanks for the answers to my questions!

Those who understood Eschatology very well will agree with me that this reward will take place during the 7yrs of AntiChrist reign, i.e after the rapture! And only the saints are qualified for this reward we are talking about.
During that reward, the works done are judged based on the motives behind the works, or whether there are done in righteousness if not no award - which means burnt up hence likened to hay, straw or stubble, easily burnt. But the person will be saved(delivered) from eternal death! Works from right motives & righteous heart are likened to Gold or Silver which cannot be burnt!
The use of fire here does not mean fire of hell or purgatory as u claimed, but a form of comparison hence the use of the word 'as' in the passage!

So, my dear the reward is not in hell nor in purgatory, but at the Bema seat of Christ. And note the use of 'fire', 'hay', 'stubble', 'wood', 'silver', and 'gold' in this chapter are just for comparison and not real!

The believe in purgatory lessen the stings of sin and the terror of hell. Plsssss dear, sins not taken care of here on earth will end the sinner in hell. No amount of penance will suffice!
Thanks and God bless you!

italo: Purgatory

Pardon me to ignore ur initial questions for a reason to help me understand some basics about ur opinion on purgatory!
Pls help me with these basic questions!

1. Which class of Christians or sinners are qualified for purgatory?

2. For how long is one expected to be in purgatory?

3. What are those things one does in purgatory to ensure his remaining sins are cleansed? Or is it d relation on earth that will pray him out while he does nothing in Purgatory?

4. Can some1 still go to hell even after been to purgatory? That is; is every1 that goes to purgatory always washed of all his sins to go to heaven?

5. Is purgatory equivalent to Judgement? Or At what point is purgatory? b4 or after judgement?

If u can back ur answers with biblical quotations that will be fine!
Thanks.

italo: @ Sirgen05, thanks for giving me your personal fallible interpretation of that passage.

My challenge with you here is: I dont know if u are really asking to help u know what u dont know or u are asking to receive an answer that will tally with what u consider ur own opinion? Why not pay close attention to what i've given to u so far. And if u consider my explanation fallible, is it ur own that is right? Just know one thing, there are people out here who can help u, and I'm one of them. In as much as I still have the Spirit of God in me, He will help me to dissect the scriptures for ur good, and this only if u ar ready to learn! Thanks.

italo: @ Sirgen05, thanks for giving me your personal fallible interpretation of that passage.


Nowhere does St Paul mention confession or evil/clean hearts.

Whenever a service is rendered with strife, party spirit, immorality etc it is rendered from an unclean heart.
And u can truly understand it when u read from vs 1 Prayerfully &meditatively![/quote]He says if your work survives, you will receive a reward.

What other reward is there after judgement other than heaven?.[/quote]Wow! So many, Daniel said those that turn many to righteousness shall shine as star forever. Daniel 12:3.
Look at this, 'Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is ur reward in heaven' Matthew 5:12. It means that apart from Making heaven, we also have rewards in heaven! Ok?[/quote]Then he says if your work is burned, you will suffer loss but will be saved. But only as one escaping through fire.[/quote]This fire signifies judgement at the Bema seat to reward the saints![/quote]What other loss can one suffer after judgement, yet be saved...other than purgatory?.[/quote]B4 I explain, from the above statement u mean that after death comes judgement then purgatory. This contradicts ur belief.

Now look at this 'And I saw d dead, small and great great standing b4 God & books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the Dead were judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books; and anyone not found written in the Book of Life were cast into the lake of fire'. Revelation 20:12,15.
This talking about those who died in their sins.
Once a Christian gives his life to Christ his past sins are judged and washed by the Blood.

italo: 1 Cor 3:15

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Can someone tell me where a man will suffer loss, yet be saved as one escaping through the flames?

Is it heaven? There is no loss or fire in heaven.

Is it hell? No one will be saved in hell.

If it is not purgatory, where is it?

Thanks. Here is d answer.

To understand d bible verse very well u look at d preceding and following verses. You look at d context. You think of who's writing and to who! Etc. These are very important. Remove these and u'll lose d meaning. Here Paul was writing 2 Corinthians believers.

From verse 1, There ar two sets of born again believers who render service to God.
Carnal & spiritual believers.

Paul called them brethren vs 1 but yet carnal vs 3, evidenced by carnal tendencies such as envy, strife, party spirit vs 3, incest chapter 5; lawsuits chapter 6.

Now Paul is telling them that when true children of God like them commit the above sins or any other and without confessing it render service in God's house, that such services will be counted as hay, straws, woods which can easily be burnt. However, d person will be ultimately saved if he later on confesses d sins, but wont be rewarded for any services rendered with such evil heart. But those who rendered out of Clean hearts will be like Gold and silver, which are not destroyed by fire.

The setting here is the reward of saints in Bema seat of Christ. The 'fire' used here is an allegory signifying judgement of believers' works.

'for we must all appear b4 d judgement seat of Christ that each one may receive the things done in THE BODY, according to what he has done, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD' 2Cor 5:10.



I hope these have helped u to understand the verse u quoted. Thanks.

frosbel: I am going to inherit a new earth just like Peter said.

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13

You dont know anything about ESCHATOLOGY! Your cult has blinded u from understanding the above scriptures!!

Haha! In such hospitals Yoruba and Igbo women will pay millions, while Fulani women will pay nothing! Igbo and Yoruba women dey drink cry like water during childbirth! Lolz.

And if the power doesn't return . . . . . . . . ?

He fears youth using it during sexual intimacy! But Condoms have varied uses:
1. As contraceptive btw husband and wife.
2. To prevent STDs
3. For semen analysis.
4. Ultrasound probe for investigations.
However, the commonest use is for prevention of STDs and pregnancy by unmarried!
For conscience sake, let him stop the sale!!

Chai! Some women get mind o!

What ar u insinuating? That d governor will poison the school children?

Celebrities celebrate divorce!

Having been vindicated, it's good for him!

Whether u'll fulfil it or not; whether u meet them 2day or have been with them for months; in every conversation or meeting, they almost expect nothing from the man but 'WILL YOU MARRY ME'. They almost run mad at those words!!

What makes men tick is IN THE INSIDE OF A WOMAN!

We always look for people to blame for every incidence. He should have blamed d devil na!

So many factors involve to make decision. However remedial gave me medicine. They can go for that and as well take Jamb.

Take her to the Psychiatry.

Digriz: then that means that no one will make heaven bcus no onewt any atom of sin wl be there. I still believe in purgatory.

Ah ah! How can u say so? Evidence abound in d scripture of men who went to heaven. MOSES, ELIJAH & ENOCH. Moses and Elijah appear with Jesus at the transfiguration! These are humans like u! Your doubts arise from ur belief that none can live a holy life on earth hence there should be a place for further cleansing b4 entrance into heaven! How ever it's possible to live holily in this world. Pray God to reveal this to u! Thanks..

Digriz: then that means that no one will make heaven bcus no onewt any atom of sin wl be there. I still believe in purgatory.

Yes, u ar right that no sinner will get there. But there ar human beings in heaven. And that is not through the Purgatory

chukwudi44: Purgatory is mentioned as Prison in 1 pet 3:19-21

The Catholics never use this passage to support purgatory. Rather they call 'Limbus Patrum', a place where d old testament saints were until Christ came to liberate them! Ok?

'it is appointed unto man to die once, but after this the Judgement' Hebrews 9:27. Irrespective of what the Catholics believe in, after death it's judgement according to ur deeds on earth. Sentence is declared and it's either u ar guilty and condemned to death or set free to life. In the court of heaven there is no injustice or adjournment!

luluosas: Don't just border yourself because, I am speaking pure biblical language Jeremiah 1:5, Luke 23:43. Thank you.

Thanks a lot for the clarification! But Jer 1:5 is not talking about pre-existence b4 u were born, rather it explains God's foreknowledge of u b4 u were born.
As for post-life existence, it's certain and true that there is life after here. I agree with u in that but nothing like 'we existed b4 we were born'. Thanks.

luluosas: You pre-existed before you were born and,

Pls from where did u get this fact? Stop propagating this serious error pls!

frosbel: ^^^^

Leave cults and follow JESUS.

I must confess ur HEAD KNOWLEDGE of the scripture is great! And u have popularize yourself with it. Aim achieved! One must have to handle real currencies to differentiate it from counterfeit! Frosbel has the word in his CEREBRUM not in his HEART! It takes the Spirit's help to detect his erroneous and thwarted usage of the Scriptures! Saints beware!

buchito1: ASUU have killed me... Cause i tink ave given my girlfriend belle...#crying#
Wat wud i do nw??

lolz. Then keep wishing that it last longer, so that she can deliver d baby in 9months time! Lolz

I'm imagining when Universities will break their ties with, or at least reduce their overdependence, on Govt or ASUU. Though sch fees will increase but i think that's better. A good example is UNIZIK.

Larryupsy: .Then tell me who was in power in 2011 when the agreement was signed with ASUU.Don't know why people can't just respect a simple agreement

Clueless and 'ignorantic' argument. Guy get information, na 4 2009.

sunsky29: ayaf bounced jawe.

This guy, u just like attention too much. E be like say u just de enter Nairaland newly! Now ASUU is on strike, enough busybody 4 u.