alexleo:

They are just twisting the scripture to support their lies. Same way they may have imported the words/terms trinity, christmas, easter etc. I think we should begin to get rid of all these catholic terms in our churches and replace them with what is in the scriptures. Let them continue with their lies.

frosbel:

I am going to inherit a new earth just like Peter said.

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13

chukwudi44:

Yes let's get rid of all these catholic terms like bible,old testament,New testament,chapters of the bible,authours of the gospel,trinity and other catholic stuffs not stated in the bible.

frosbel:

I am going to inherit a new earth just like Peter said.

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13

frosbel:

You still believe in many catholic doctrines, so you cannot judge them.

italo: 1 Cor 3:15

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Can someone tell me where a man will suffer loss, yet be saved as one escaping through the flames?

Is it heaven? There is no loss or fire in heaven.

Is it hell? No one will be saved in hell.

If it is not purgatory, where is it?

Sirgen05:

Thanks. Here is d answer.

To understand d bible verse very well u look at d preceding and following verses. You look at d context. You think of who's writing and to who! Etc. These are very important. Remove these and u'll lose d meaning. Here Paul was writing 2 Corinthians believers.

From verse 1, There ar two sets of born again believers who render service to God.
Carnal & spiritual believers.

Paul called them brethren vs 1 but yet carnal vs 3, evidenced by carnal tendencies such as envy, strife, party spirit vs 3, incest chapter 5; lawsuits chapter 6.

Now Paul is telling them that when true children of God like them commit the above sins or any other and without confessing it render service in God's house, that such services will be counted as hay, straws, woods which can easily be burnt. However, d person will be ultimately saved if he later on confesses d sins, but wont be rewarded for any services rendered with such evil heart. But those who rendered out of Clean hearts will be like Gold and silver, which are not destroyed by fire.

The setting here is the reward of saints in Bema seat of Christ. The 'fire' used here is an allegory signifying judgement of believers' works.

'for we must all appear b4 d judgement seat of Christ that each one may receive the things done in THE BODY, according to what he has done, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD' 2Cor 5:10.



I hope these have helped u to understand the verse u quoted. Thanks.

Sirgen05:
Now Paul is telling them that when true children of God like them commit the above sins or any other and without confessing it render service in God's house, that such services will be counted as hay, straws, woods which can easily be burnt. However, d person will be ultimately saved if he later on confesses d sins, but wont be rewarded for any services rendered with such evil heart. But those who rendered out of Clean hearts will be like Gold and silver, which are not destroyed by fire.

Sirgen05:
I hope these have helped u to understand the verse u quoted. Thanks.

italo: @ Sirgen05, thanks for giving me your personal fallible interpretation of that passage.


Nowhere does St Paul mention confession or evil/clean hearts.

italo: @ Sirgen05, thanks for giving me your personal fallible interpretation of that passage.

idnoble135:
spot on

Sirgen05:
In as much as I still have the Spirit of God in me, He will help me to dissect the scriptures for ur good, and this only if u ar ready to learn! Thanks.

dokie:

what is spot on in that explanation? please explain it further.

dokie:

Joel 2:28 " And it shall come to pass afterward ,that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh..." not on pentecostal flesh alone or anything like that.

alexleo:

Its not catholics that wrote the scriptures. It is a false claim. Am not keen in your trinity term because its not in the bible. So make una carry am pack one side.

Sirgen05:

Thanks. Here is d answer.

To understand d bible verse very well u look at d preceding and following verses. You look at d context. You think of who's writing and to who! Etc. These are very important. Remove these and u'll lose d meaning. Here Paul was writing 2 Corinthians believers.

From verse 1, There ar two sets of born again believers who render service to God.
Carnal & spiritual believers.

Paul called them brethren vs 1 but yet carnal vs 3, evidenced by carnal tendencies such as envy, strife, party spirit vs 3, incest chapter 5; lawsuits chapter 6.

Now Paul is telling them that when true children of God like them commit the above sins or any other and without confessing it render service in God's house, that such services will be counted as hay, straws, woods which can easily be burnt. However, d person will be ultimately saved if he later on confesses d sins, but wont be rewarded for any services rendered with such evil heart. But those who rendered out of Clean hearts will be like Gold and silver, which are not destroyed by fire.

The setting here is the reward of saints in Bema seat of Christ. The 'fire' used here is an allegory signifying judgement of believers' works.

'for we must all appear b4 d judgement seat of Christ that each one may receive the things done in THE BODY, according to what he has done, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD' 2Cor 5:10.



I hope these have helped u to understand the verse u quoted. Thanks.

Sirgen05:
Whenever a service is rendered with strife, party spirit, immorality etc it is rendered from an unclean heart.

Sirgen05:
And u can truly understand it when u read from vs 1 Prayerfully &meditatively!

Sirgen05:
Wow! So many, Daniel said those that turn many to righteousness shall shine as star forever. Daniel 12:3.
Look at this, 'Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is ur reward in heaven' Matthew 5:12. It means that apart from Making heaven, we also have rewards in heaven! Ok?

Sirgen05:
This fire signifies judgement at the Bema seat to reward the saints!

B4 I explain, from the above statement u mean that after death comes judgement then purgatory. This contradicts ur belief.

Sirgen05:
Now look at this 'And I saw d dead, small and great great standing b4 God & books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the Dead were judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books; and anyone not found written in the Book of Life were cast into the lake of fire'. Revelation 20:12,15.
This talking about those who died in their sins.
Once a Christian gives his life to Christ his past sins are judged and washed by the Blood.

Sirgen05:
My challenge with you here is: I dont know if u are really asking to help u know what u dont know or u are asking to receive an answer that will tally with what u consider ur own opinion?

Sirgen05:
Why not pay close attention to what i've given to u so far. And if u consider my explanation fallible, is it ur own that is right?

Sirgen05:
Just know one thing, there are people out here who can help u, and I'm one of them. In as much as I still have the Spirit of God in me, He will help me to dissect the scriptures for ur good, and this only if u ar ready to learn! Thanks.

idnoble135:
do you have a problem with pentecostals?

chukwudi44:

Where is the term 'bible' in the scriptures? Are the terms 'old testament','new testament' or the authours of the gospel in the scriptures? Maybe in your ignorance you do not that the scriptures was only delineated into chapters by the catholic church in the thirteenth century.If you want to get rid of all terminologies like you suggested you might even do away with all these.

You want to see the term 'purgatory' abi so if we change it to 'prison' you will suddenly be okay with it.

alexleo:

oya carry on with whatever but we will begin to drop all these your questionable catholic stuff. Nothing in the scriptures was invented by catholics. Its all claims upon claims. you people have your own books that you wrote and not the scriptures. Then the term christmas, easter, trinity bla,bla,bla....

shdemidemi: 1 Corinthians 3:11
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

No man or group of men or elders of a church can afford to come and say whatever they want to say. We must follow the teachings of the apostles of Christ without adding or subtracting from them.

idnoble135:
do you have a problem with pentecostals?

esmeralda1:

@frosbel i read some of ur comments on another thread n i tot this must be a good Bible scholar n a Child of God but wen i read ur above stmt infact i couldnt help laughing that its not only the catholics that needs prayers even u a jehovah witness does, then i find myself wishin u were not one, i pray im wrong about u beign an ajeri.

Mr chukwudi44, i read sm of ur comments as well in a thread n d ones here it is well with u, you make me see that christains still need to do alot of prayer n evangelism,it is well.

@op,where mr chukwudi posted 1peter3:19-21 does NOT imply pugnatory o pls be not deceived there is nothing of sort, that place, implied to what Jesus did when He died n went to Hell to collect the keys of hades n grave from d devil, He did once n for all not again o pls be careful hw u quote n interprete d Bible.

Moreover, who even says we can understand the word of God without the Holyspirit, the nexttime u want to read ur Bible pls pray for the Holyspirit to interprete it to you.
God bless you

italo:

But the apostles were men, a group of men and elders.

Who then should we follow?

Besides, it was your beloved St Paul that said there is a state where a man will suffer loss after judgement yet be saved...as escaping through the fire.

Did he lie?

esmeralda1: frosbel:

I am going to inherit a new earth just like Peter said. smiley

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13

@frosbel i read some of ur comments on another thread n i tot this must be a good Bible scholar n a Child of God but wen i read ur above stmt infact i couldnt help laughing that its not only the catholics that needs prayers even u a jehovah witness does, then i find myself wishin u were not one, i pray im wrong about u being an ajeri.

Mr chukwudi44, i read sm of ur comments as well in a thread n d ones here it is well with u, you make me see that christains still need to do alot of prayer n evangelism,it is well.

@op,where mr chukwudi posted 1peter3:19-21 does NOT imply pugnatory o pls be not deceived there is nothing of sort, that place, implied to what Jesus did when He died n went to Hell to collect the keys of hades n grave from d devil, He did once n for all not again o pls be careful hw u quote n interprete d Bible.

Moreover, who even says we can understand the word of God without the Holyspirit, the nexttime u want to read ur Bible pls pray for the Holyspirit to interprete it to you.
God bless you