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Ukutsgp:Okay I have read it and these are the applicable scriptures quoted in support of your argument Job 1:6 ; 2:1 ; 38:7. In none of those verses did it say. or imply that sons of God are fallen angels. Sons of God are just that: sons of God. If you believe in predestination, you will understand that sons of God are nust that..sons of God |
oneda:Oh dear, wherever did you get that from? I am not a trinitarian. I speake against the 3 persons in 1 trinity doctrine. |
Ukutsgp:We learn everyday. I will like to see the verses in question thanks. |
Ukutsgp:Sorry dear but you are seeing what you want to see in all the verses you quoted. No where is it said that Sons of God refer to angels. You are the one adding that. But be that as it may, , we can let the matter rest. I appreciate your contribution. |
Ranchhoddas:And the sun is kept from falling by which gravity- The Milky Way gravity right? And the Milky Way Galaxy is kept from falling in space by which gravity- The universe gravity right? And the universe is kept from falling in space by what? When you get to the end of your wisdom, that's when God's wisdom appears. No point badgering ourselves over this, you can go on with what you believe and I will go on with mine. |
Ukutsgp:You get a better idea of what the writer was trying to say if you look at the same verse 6 in the Amplified version. It says " Jude 1:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place— these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day." The emphasis is not a physical dwelling place but rather a position of power and authority- which only applies when one walks in truth. So it is the departure. of Satan and his fallen angels from truth that is the issue here. It is a long extrapolation to insinuate that this means angels sleeping with women. It didnt call the angels sons of God either. That Nephilim thing is a Jehovahs Witness idea. It finds no basis in the Bible when brought to scrutiny. |
honourhim:I copied this from the net to ease my work in answering you. Answers to other related everlasting hellfire questions are on that site. Obviously I cant copy the whole site so you have to read it all up there after which we can discuss it again. The site is ; www.helltruth.com/q-a/everlasting-fire Everlasting Fire Matthew 25:41 speaks of "everlasting fire" for the wicked. Does it go out? Yes, according to the Bible, it does. We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 7), and that fire turned them "into ashes" as a warning to "those that after should live ungodly," 2 Peter 2:6. These cities are not burning today. The fire went out after everything was burned out. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself. Doesn't Matthew 25:46 say the wicked will receive "everlasting punishment"? Notice the word is punishment, not punishing. Punishing would be continuous, while punishment is one act. The punishment of the wicked is death, and this death is everlasting. |
Hiswordxray:No this is not about proving knowledge. I am searching for one person only - a predestinated eagle child of God lost among chicken-faith christians whose faith can never make them fly in the rapture. |
CANTICLES:Why are you intent on twisting the Words of God and quoti.g verses out of context? Why didnt you quote the whole thing in context for all to see? Well, I will help you out this time and ignore you henceforth. Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Acts 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, It is evident to any discerning reader considering the verses ahead of the verse you quoted, that the scripture is referring to the fulfillment of Acts 2:26,27 and 31 and not an event of its own merit. Its like two sentences: "A man saw a snake. He cut the head off." Then you run of and start proclaiming " He cut the head off". That my dear is mischievious, malicious lieing identified only in Satan the devil and his children. Will be ignoring you henceforth because you are wasting my time. |
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Ranchhoddas:Oh, i forgot, gravity that keeps the earth from falling down. To where, pray if I may ask? Which side is up znd which side is down - in space? |
CANTICLES:Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Did you expect Peter to say he was alive physically? that would be a lie as he was not on earth at that time. Acts 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: Where do you think David went when he died? Abrahams bossom in the land of the dead separated by a deep gulf from hell, where they could see each other. But all that ended after Christs resurrection. I did say earlier I believe, that your question was not sincere. Now you have proved my thoughts. Like a pharisee, just trying to entrap me in my words. Its a pity. |
Ukutsgp:To the best of my understanding, I cant find it in my Bible. |
Ukutsgp:kindly quote where it says so in the book of Jude. |
CANTICLES:I believe your question is in bad faith but I will answer nonetheless. It is not good people that go to heaven but those who have made a covenant with God by sacrifice. The key here is the covenant which is entered into by a blood sacrifice. In the old testament that blood sacrifice was of animals. In the new testament it is of Christ. King David was among the old testament saints Jesus took with Him to heaven at His resurrection, regardless of his sin with Bathsheba. Let me shock you some. Even King Saul was in that company because he was anointed with oil. Samuel's ghost testified that King Saul went to where Samuel was, which is Abraham's bossom. |
CANTICLES:The angel to Mary " Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.". So it was the supernatural power of God and not sex. Secondly it is not true that angels slept with women to produce giants or what you call nephilim. " Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Sons of God there means descendants of Adam through Seth. Daughters of men means the "painted faced jezebel women " descendants of Cain who was not Adam's son, though he was Eve's son. Yes, by the Bible account, you hit the nail on the head- the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Jesus said " My Father dwelleth in me". So Jesus prayed to the Father that was in Him. Even you commune with your spirit as David the psalmist said. Jesus was a man and He was also God. When the body died the Spirit departed and His soul went to the land of the dead. |
oneda:The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and since God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Jehovah God Himself. Without this Holy Spirit, you are not a part of Christ or the Body of Christ for by this one Spirit we are baptised into one body. The Holy Spirit is a person. The Spirit of Christ is the same as the Spirit of God. Jesus Christ of the new testament is the Jehovah God of the old testament. |
Ranchhoddas:and the last angel messenger to Laodicea he is..and yes it is interesting truely. |
Ranchhoddas:The earth suspended in the midst of space (nothing) is also illogical. Deal with it. |
Ranchhoddas:I provided three answers, which it appears you misconstrue as " dont question God.." |
adsonstone:No dear. There is a Bible answer. 2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: The inspired scriptures do not include the books of Judith, 1st and 2nd Maccabees and so on. Whoever compiled the scriptures is irrelevant to the fact that it is the scriptures which by the way clearly identifies the city of seven hills as the seat of the AntiChrist and calls the system he represents (Roman Catholicism) "Mystery Babylon the great the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth" which will be destroyed by God as is written in the book of Revelation. So it does no good for anyone to claim ownership of a Book that condemns that same person. |
Ranchhoddas:Yes I am. There are many who misrepresent hiz teachings unfortunately but that does not change the fact that his message is the forerunner of the second coming of Christ, intended by God to clear up tough issues, correct wrong doctrine and prepare the bride of Christ for the rapture. |
italo:2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What is accepted as scripture today does not include the books of Judith, 1st and 2nd Maccabbees and so on. Believe what you will about where the Bible came from, who named it etc, it doesnt change the fact that the Bible is the Word of God that would judge the world, the same which has already told us that the city of seven hills is the seat of the AntiChrist. So it does you no good to claim ownership of the Book that already very clearly identifies and condemns the system you stand for. (Roman Catholicism) as "Mystery Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth". I rest my case on your question(s). |
Ukutsgp:Lets hear your answer.. |
Ranchhoddas:I believe yes there will be freewill in heaven. Guaranty it will not be misused is God's Word that tells us what will happen after this world. His Word never lies and He said sorrow, tears sighing and crying (all consequences of sin) will be no more. You either are a believer and believe this promise or you are not a believer, questioning His promise. There is no eternal torture in hell for sinners, because it would imply they have a form of eternal life. Hell and its contents have an end after aeons of time. Could be a zillion zillion years, nobody knows. Its long enough to be extremely terrible. The wages of sin is death period. Death is separation from God. The only place to keep those separated from God is hell. It is not for us to question God's discretion just as no one questions us when we kill an ant. Proportionality of justice- God is not a democracy. It is a theocracy. His judgment is ALWAYS just. |
Hiswordxray:Have I said or done anything here so far that shows I am not working in love? I would have thought sacrificing my time and energy to study and bring out answers for people that I do not know should have been counted as walking in love..anyway let God be the judge of my true intentions. |
Ukutsgp:Well there are several Mary's in the Bible, the most prominent of which is Mary the earthly "mother" of the Lord Jesus, whom He addressed as Woman and she took no offence. No she is not the mother of God, she was an incubator, like a surrogate mother for Jesus Christ. The queen of heaven dates back to the creation of Babel by Nimrod the great. Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod started of the Maddonna and child idolatry after his death by claiming that her child that was born was Nimrod incarnated. Babel, after its language was confused by God scattered all over the world and took this idolatry wherever it went. It appeared in different languages as different names but referring to the same idol - Tammuz, women weeping for Tammuz, Queen of Heaven, and in todays Modern Babylon as Maddonna and child or as blasphemously labelled as Mary and Jesus. Again most of this is in history and fishing out applicable scriptures is almost a job of its own. |
menix:I do know that God will send two prophets who will prophesy in the land of Israel for 3.5 years and smite the world with plagues in the tribulation years, and from the description of what they are to do, I believe they are Moses and Elijah. Remember they also appeared at the transfiguration of the Lord Jesus Christ. Moses smote the land of Egypt with darkness that could be felt for 3 days, so it is possible that this may repeat itself, since Egypt represents the world, but the Bible did not explicitly say so. Note that this is after the rapture. Revelation 11 :3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 666 is the mark of the Beast. It is not a physical mark, it is a spiritual mark and the marking is already ongoing. The AntiChrist manifests as the Beast after the rapture. Prior to the rapture, He is referred to as the AntiChrist and has been around since the writing of the New Testament. The AntiChrist is personified in the office of the Pope and the mark of the beast is the doctrine of the AntiChrist which is "denying the doctrine of Christ for a counterfeit doctrine", again personified in Roman Catholicism and its prostitute daughter churches (Protestants) doctrine chiefly identified in trinitarianism. Now providing scriptures for this paragraph is a massive task and I cant do that right away. |
Hi all, I am sure some of my old friends remember me before the Nairaland Tsunami. I have just not been able to recreate those wonderfully illuminating , though controversial threads I had before the wipe-out. SO, here is my idea: ask a sincere question (I will decide if its a sincere question and not a pharisaic question ), and I will try to pull out bible support for answers that by God's grace I will provide. I know others who have their own ideas will also put up their own answers , thats fine. Let the reader make their choice of what or better still, who to believe.So I'll set the ball rolling by answering a populer question around the forum.. [b] Is there predestination? Yes there is. God decides who He will save and who He will not save. HOWEVER, ONLY GOD KNOWS THIS INFORMATION, therefore everyone has a blank check to be among those He will save, by simply doing His will. If you do His will, then you are predestined to be saved. Some start doing His will just before they die, so you should never say this or that living person is predestined to be lost. In order words, leave predestination of he living in the hands of God. Predestination however helps us understand so many things in the Bible. . Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.[/b] Exodus 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth. |
AlfaSeltzer:Hello AlfaSeltzer, i just felt I should say a word or two at this point. I now you would have preferred not to have this disease, so i can say i am sorry to hear you have this disease and a consequent short time to live. Like you said, we all die, but its the attitude you die with that matters. Now to your quoted desire.. You have already met Him and do not need to meet Him physically, since your first meeting did not profit you except you change course now. You met Him when you saw the Bible. Every question you could ever ask Him has already been answered there. How can a father discipline his child and claim to love him? How can a mother discipline her daughter and claim to love her? You can choose to see the drinking glass as half full or half empty, it depends on your attitude. On the positive side, your disease will make you ponder on lifes questions like never before, seeking credible answers. This is God's desire. He will go to any length to bring you to your knees if you are his predestinated seed. All predestinated seed will respond on their knees in submission at His call. Someone that is not a predestinated seed will respond in the opposite direction, cursing abusing, angry at God, just like Cain, the son of the Devil.. thats how He responded when God called him - violent , bitter, and angry, full of hatred. You are currently responding to God's call like Cain. If you die with that attitude, it would mean, that you were all the while, a son of the devil like Cain. I am hoping for better things for you, that after the initial anger, that you will calm down and soberly consider the situation. What would you gain from going to hell unnecessarily? is it not just your pride talking? Why not surrender and submit to God that He indeed has the power to make or break you. Only pride will hinder you from doing this and as you know, pride is Satan's identifying characteristic and of His children. I am trusting that you ar a child of God. If so, then change course now AlfaSeltzer. Did God have the power to prevent you from having this disease? Yes Why did He not do it? To fullfill His eternal purpose What is His eternal purpose - to reveal who He is, a saving, healing, merciful, kind, gentle sweet God Since He is the potter, He has the right to fashion out anything He likes with the clay. He can make, crumble the clay, make it again into something else, burn it in fire to give the clay strength, and He can make some clay for drinking with, and some to carry poop. You and I are the clay, you have no right to question the potter doing with His clay what He wills, just the same way nobody questions you when you kill an ant. Reconcile yourself positively with this fact of life. |
Just a point to show that God did not design the office of a pastor for women. |
ice234:In answer, i quote this from the internet The Trinity doctrine is the sharp edge of Satan’s sword to destroy and divide. |
), and I will try to pull out bible support for answers that by God's grace I will provide. I know others who have their own ideas will also put up their own answers , thats fine. Let the reader make their choice of what or better still, who to believe.