₦airaland Forum

Oduduwa exporter.

izac82:
Take this your nonsense Biafran sermon and getat out here. Men are discussing, you dey bring your IPOBIC rant wan come spoil show.

Don't get it twisted nearly all here are strong Biafrans

[s]

gold360:
it is gullible igbo people like you I pity for believing everything you see online. That was how one igbo guy woke up one morning in bonny sometime last year, after reading this type of igbo propaganda here and went and hoisted the Biafran flag saying that bonny was igbo land, he was lucky to come out alive with a broken arm and fractured neck from the planking he received. You people should keep spreading false narratives about the ibani-ijaw people of bonny and opobo like the op is doing here!
He said OPOBO means first son in igbo? You see that fabricated piece of history?
Opobo is the corrupted ijaw word OPUBO (which means big man in ijaw language) it was the name of one of the kings of bonny who jaja and the fourteen ibani chiefs who left bonny with him, named opobo so they will still identify with their original ibani-ijaw roots. The original name was actually Opubo-Ama but later corrupted to Opobo ,just like King Jaja's real name JUGBO JUGBOFEM was corrupted into JAJA by the European traders

[/s]


You're talking absolute rubbish.

gold360:
As an ijaw man from bonny, what I will say to the writer of this fabricated write up is simple. If you say bonny and opobo belongs to the igbos no problem. DM me let's meet up at Creek road water side jetty in port Harcourt. I will personally pay your boat transport fare to bonny and opobo,(that is if you can cross the sea , since all igbos are scared of rivers yet you are claiming ijaw island communities in the midst of oceans ?) so you can go there and tell these ijaw people the nonsense you've posted here. If you come out alive from the beating you will receive from their hands for insulting their ijaw origin. I will leave nairaland !
#RUBBISH

Brother na lie. We are scheduled for Nwaotam with our Igbo brothers in Bonny/Opobo you will do nothing. Gerrarahere.

9Pluto:
Just Google,'Memoirs of Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool'.

Aside proving the identity of Bonny natives, the book renders a fantastic account of the slave trade era. It contains details of what life was like for most European(mainly) British Sailors. They're a lot more in the book we could talk about, so I encourage guys to read up and come share your findings.

I intent is for this thread to elicit an intellectual discourse and not some rabid noise typical of educated illiterates.

So far, I have seen some interesting additions to the conversation especially from @Ekealterego for which I am grateful.

I will read the book!!!

Looking good.

ThickSharon123:
Okay, thank you. Then let's stop adding them to the Igbo nation. I believe we have to focus on our brothers and sisters in Bonny/Opobo and the likes. Okrirka is out of it for me.

We are just telling them the Ijaws that we have the details of all those tribes in our hands.

Worworboy, Allen02 your tribe name has been deciphered by the highly intellectual Igbos. You should be glad and appreciative.

Ekealterego:
Just to put my evidence more forward.

Kirike or krike (how wakirike/okirika people, call their language or themselves) is the same as in the older English word for Creek or the French word.

You know what, Exactly how it is called in Dutch. The Dutch call Creeks, Kreke but sounds like "Kirike".

I have uploaded the names.
So, Wa "kirike", means "Child of the creeks"
Note, most of these coastal places had European names from Lagos to Warri to Calabar.

You are very much on point. We applaud you.

Some of these intellectual property needs to be trademarked.

The tribe name Wakrike/Kirike is simply Nwa creek or creek. An Igbo product.


Originally forwarded by Sir Ekealterego on this day 29th of November, 2021 and shall remain in his name, devoid of forgery or distortion or theft.

Stamped and Sealed.

Ekealterego:
There is a theory I have, but just from historical observation, how their name changed over time. I mean the Wakirike people.

Barbot recorded the name as Creke or something like that. (I will check the right spelling later) but it started with C, and one could pronunce it as "Creeke" or "Creek".
I feel Kirike is a corruption of the word "Creek" or a Portuguese or Latin base meaning of the word "Creek".

The dialectical word for "Nwa" in that area is "Wa". I think that's why they are called, "Wakirike". "Child of the Creeks".

I just hazard that guess, but a logical one from the records of how the names were recorded. Just like how parts of New Calabar became "Kalabari"

N.B. This is my personal observation.

Nwa creek!!!!!!

Igboid:
The Perekule thing is ridiculous.
They corrupted King Pepple to Perekule.
These people are good at historical distortions.

I learnt the other day that the top flowing gown we have come to associate Ijaw and other Niger Delta groups with that GEJ wore alot was actually originally called "Eighty Bucks", because that was how much it cost to acquire them those days from the whites.
The illiterate Ijaws Ijawnized the "Eighty Bucks" to "Etibo".
And now the claim "Etibo" to be Ijaw dress.

Mamma mia!

No be only Perekule na periwinkle

[s]

ChinenyeN:
From the works of Charles Ogan (1980s), Finapiri (2001), Alagoa & Fombo (1960s) and Nzewuwa (1980s), among others, it is well-established that the Amanyanabo system is a modern monarchy system that first came about in the 17th century among most Eastern Ijaw communities.

Nzewuwa (1983) showed that the House System and a feudal/factional kingship system already existed in the Elem Kalabari area. Kalabari oral traditions and documentary evidence from European traders suggests that these institutions came to be in active practice by the 17th century. Additionaly, Amakiri I (the first of the modern Kalabari monarchs), is recollected as becoming the first "overall Amanyanabo", creating the modern Kalabari dynasty and galvanizing the Kalabari kingdom. This tradition of Amakiri I becoming the first "overall Amanyanabo" suggests the presence of other feudal kings (at least some, not all) going by "Amanyanabo" (Alagoa, 1970s, 2005).

Unlike the series of events/oral traditions of Kalabari, the picture was rather different for Okrika. Charles Ogan (1980s) did a decent job in marking down a chronology for the adoption of both the House System and the Amanyanabo System within Okrika (which Charles Ogan refers to as Amanyanaboship). Charles shows that the Amanyanabo institution did not exist in Okrika prior to its adopted in the seventeeth century. The first Amanyanabo of Okrika (Ado I) was installed as part of the ongoing effort to free Okrika from Bonny's political and economic authority.

Finapiri (2001) researched and collected Bonny oral traditions which credit Perekule as having brought drastic changes to the kingship system in Bonny in the 18th century, in which Perekule was officially proclaimed as the "Amanyanabo", starting the new Amanyanabo dynasty in Bonny. For Bonny, both the House System and the Amanyanabo system were imported between the late 17th to early 18th centuries (Alagoa 1971, Oriji 2011).

[/s]




Lollllllllllllllllllllllllll. I'm just laughing in my room. Are you sure you and Alagoa are not related. You live and breath revisionism

The intellectual level of Igbo threads are always very high. I am proud of my people.

Ekealterego:
@zooposki, this finally confirms your answer.
@slayerforever, just to reiterate that your assertions about the Kwas are correct.
All the mmoghu people were also called "Mokos" or "Moscoes". In later books, Quaws were recorded as "Kwas".
Proof below

Second proof. This is another account about Bonny.

I will not upload the third proof, it explained how Ijo later influenced the language of Okrika and New Calabar.

Another great material.

Sketchy news. The name of the community is not stated for easy verification and unknown gunmen don't sing praises and worship after killing security forces. I smell propaganda.

Ekealterego:
1. Your first assertion is correct, Ottams were different. However, Clarke acknowledged the differences in 3 of the "districts". The ones close to the Annangs , Ibibio and the ones close to the Efiks and then the Igbo regions and the languages collected from these different places differs. The one closer to the Igbos have some Igbo elements already.

2. No, memoir was explored in that area within the 1700s after Barbot in 1699 and 1705. Except secondary reports from others like Captain Williams but writing from Guinea in 1730-1734.

Maybe some publications in Sierra Leone which was also vague.

The very first exploration after Barbot "onsite" ethnography was in 1823. 120 years later!! This was by Captain Adams in 1823!!

Nobody really started recording Igbos separately as sub-groups until much later. Even the "Bretches" who were considered somewhat "different" because they were notorious for planning uprising and taking over slave ships, were just titled Ichi men.

The studies of specific Igbo sub groups and the differentiations only started around 1830-1840s!!! So, I don't understand where you are getting your theories from.

The very first study of Igbos in Igboland or observation of Igbo within their native area or near their native area was Barbot in 1699. He recorded them as "Hickbaus" or "Heebaus". So, tell me how you knew the subgroups?

Although in Sierra Leone, at first they introduce each other by the name of their towns but OTHERS called them Ibos. They didn't have any choice than to come together because others knew they were the same. The sense of that national cohesion became stronger. It was recorded that the Eboes often "banded together". You think others know the difference?

3. Ndoki is not recent. At least, the very very first book that described individual dialects and places within the "Igbo country" recorded Ngwa and Ndoki clearly... They were numerous and already an old cohesive people by that time. They are not as "recent" as you are making it out to be...

Otam were in three categories.

What I feel is that they changed their current name or currently split into sections.

Igboid.. there are still places with the place name, "Otam" in Abia state. In "Otampa" in Isuikwuato, Otamiri, Otama-a. The most likely explanation is that their names changed or absorbed by other groups or split into smaller groups.

Nice submissions

DitariDisciple2:
Professor Ebi
Alagoa one of the greatest and well known Nigeria wide,
Ijaw writer, is from Nembe and they use Amayanabo.

Diete Spiff Brass use Amayanabo.
He was
First Governor of Rivers State.
Diete spiff that sent all Igbos out of PH after the Biafra war and declared their properties abandoned properties, carry all their houses dash Ijaw and Ikwerre people.
Go and tell him he is Ibo.

He is the present Amayanabo of Twon Brass clan.
Bayelsa State.

You did not understand what I meant.

ChinenyeN:
No, this would be incorrect. It's actually well established that the Amanyanabo system comes from Kalabari, not Bonny. Okrika and Bonny adopted the Amanyanabo system by the 17th century. It is an Ijaw expression, not Igbo.

The term Amayanabo does not exist amongst the Ijaw (Izon more accurately). There are a plethora of titles borne by Izon rulers and Amayanabo is more or less nonexistent among this titles, which may lend credence to the fact it is a borrowed word albeit corrupted from the original Igbo word.

Add to that there is no certainty Kalabari actually owned that title and Bonny had to borrow.

Ekealterego:
The name "Kamalu" is as ancient Aro/Bende as it can be. Today, it is now shortened to "Kalu" or "Kanu" but some areas in Abia state still maintain the full verion "Kamalu" and "Kamanu", especially Ukwa areas of Asa and Ndoki.

Up to Owerri.

Let us disseminate this new information far and wide. The Ijaw kings all have Igbo names! Ama onye n'abuo!

And they have been saying it is their title!

Ekealterego:
I guess, by the time their language was collected in 1848 by clarke, you could tell they were at least Igbos or something close to the Igbos. It was confusing also because some part of the language was kind of close to Ibibios too.

Another thing is that the historically collected names of some of these people might have changed. At least, some changed.

The Alinsaw or Alinso recorded by Tabot and older historians have changed to Egbema I think.
Eleme was recorded as Mboli (the Arochukwu's settlers' name for what we now call Eleme9. In older books, they were called Mba oli or Mbolli

Mba oli like single town?

Igboid:
The Ama-Onye-nabo relationship to the two kings who reigned at same time in Bonny is so on point.
I had always insisted that Amayanabo is an Igbo word.
I couldn't just explain how it became a title for a king.
The OP have done great justice to that.

Since I've been reading that name it is only now the meaning came to me. Ama onye n'abuo. Kingdom of two rulers oooohhhhhh

Ekealterego:
The Quaws is a bit confusing. The Quaws were noted to practice teeth sharpening, which was mostly practised within the Anang, Ibibio areas. It could also be the Okua/okwa/Ukwa which was another name specifically reserved for the Asa and Ndoki.

I uploaded the Appas here.

For me the Quaws are not confusing. That has mostly been how the Ibibiod groups are referred to historically.

DitariDisciple2:
So why is Bonny and Opobo under all Ijaw socia-cultural organizations till today without leaving even one behind, but they are not even in one Ibo own till today.
Why do their Kings use Amayanabo as title, same with other Ijaw subgroups, like Nembe in Bayelsa Brass in Bayelsa Kalabari, Wakirike and other Ibani.
Both Bonny and Opobo answer Ijaw names and never Ibo own.
Is Ibim Ibiwari from Opobo Ibo names??
Is Adawari from Opobo Ibo name
Is Preye from Bonny Ibo name??
Is Ebi from Bonny Ibo name??
Is Tamuno Kpokpo from Opobo Ibo name
All una lies end here.
All those write ups u posted are all created by Ibo.
Tell me why they are in all Ijaw socia-cultural organizations without leaving even one behind, till today, but they are not even in one Ibo own.

Slow down. Not everyone identifies as Ijaw in Ubani and Opobo despite the cultural confusion there. You are desperately exaggerating.

Pass11:
Anybody with good history know this, ijaw people started the lies that king jaja is an ijaw man but we destroyed that claim with proof,they started that king jaja was ijaw salve that was letter made king in ijaw land but we destroyed that claim with proof,
They shift the goal post that king met people on ground before he became king but we destroyed that claim with proof.
They claim that opobo is part of Inc and ijaw youth council so opobo belong to them but we destroyed that claim with proof of ijaw nation constitution that state that anybody can belong to ijaw national council as long as 100 hungry people from that area come together
Now their claim is telling us to claim it physically which we will soon do plan is on ground to do that physically soon.

Lolll

OfoIgbo:
By the way, the BRECHEs are the MGBURU-ICHIs. They are a class of titled Igbos, usually from the Nri sphere of influence.

They had elaborate facial scarifications. Olaudah Equiano's father was an MGBURU-ICHI, and they were highly respected around this period.

Usually, when Igbo towns were at war, it was the MGBURU-ICHIs that mediated and made peace in those towns.

Eze Nri was the head of the MGBURU-ICHIs all over Igboland and Igodomigodo and elsewhere

cc:
9Pluto
Igboid
Slayerforever
Eastlink

Thanks for that piece of information. I couldn't recognize the term.

Ekealterego:
Rev. John Clarke did a lot of work mapping the languages and people to the maps in that area. H collected multiple samples of the dialects in 1848.
This is Ottam described and the samples from different districts within Otam. From the samples of the Language, Otam is definitely Ibos that are close to anywhere around cross rivers or Akwa-ibom.

Your materials are topnotch. Kudos.


I wasn't far from the truth

Zooposki:
Who are the quaws, ottams and Appas today?

A calculated guess.

Quaws, generally Ibibiod peoples Andoni etc
Ottams, some Igbo of hinterland.
Appas, Efik people.


Ekealterego come and epp me