face Bello who stole the state's fund

RoxyBrownAutos:
Am very sure that who put this write up is apc supporter.managing a company is entirely different from managing a state government.The poor economic policies of apc led federal government is the reasons why companies and businesses are winding down in Nigeria and not the leadership of those companies.

Absolutely.

Edo will be in good hands.

Kingsmeal:


See the link of the deleted video
youtu.be/siesJRcJi7c

Peter Obi keeps exposing all the institutions in Nigeria.

pls shared the video if you have it

Beautifulday:
Most of the schools in lagos were like this before Abode came on board. The present governor is doing well with schools in lagos state.

Ok they were in that state for 8 years under Tinubu

Blaze14k:


Yet in that same anambra he got almost 100% vote you guys don't use your brain at all. Reno is exposing what is totally irrelevant. He is simply giving you what you need to hear to fill your ego making sure you don't lose your faith in tinubu.

he is not exposing anything but generating discourse that brings out his conduct as governor, atleast it is educating people who don't know.

SoNature:
Yes, agbadorians are using Peter Obi to distract Nigerians because they know that Tinubu is a big failure.

Any leader can build infrastructure.

Any politician can fix security issues (something that Tinubu couldn't do)

But the biggest task before a leader is getting the economy working and creating wealth (prosperity)

Please don't stop them

Obi is even more popular now, especially with your daily mention.

yoruboid:
If you check his social media handles, you’d notice that he gets less responses these days unlike what it was like before the elections and shortly after

And when you look at the comments, over 70% of them are insults and attacks on him

It’s clear it will get worse

opamoses1:

Peter Obi held a press conference because of Reno

Abeg see understanding. You and your likes should please continue firing the salvo

Gossipninja:
nlfpmod

Obi should remember Reno because he is keeping him in discourse everyday. Reno please continue.

garfield1:


This is not plateau sir.pdp is disunited,APC is united

leave Edo people to make their choice. but if you support someone there even though you got no vote there , then allow another person to do so too.
More PDP folks may leave for APC like it happened in 2020 but the peoples' choice remains the same as seen four years ago

emorse:
Reno is on a mission. Nothing more.

Whatever he's saying is deliberate and devoid of his conscience. You don't need to look to far into his past to understand this.

Reno is actually helping to draw attention to Obi. The negative write-ups are actually working positively for him.

good news if true

that organization is a conduit

power to the people of ondo

garfield1:


He will lose sir

HE WILL WIN

Cindypresh:


Anambra state doesn't need new government owned schools.

Anambra is 1st in education nationwide for a reason.

so many of Obi's critics are raising none issues.

MICHEALADEX:
Obedient can you just think?

Building new schools was not in his manifesto but was investing state funds in hero beer part of it?


But fact is, the act of investing state funds in a company you have interest in is a breach of law and it has its own penalty

But I believe obedient will think otherwise because it's obi that's involved here

it like trying to make issue from a COAS or IG not building a barrack. All the new this and that is why we have abandoned projects everywhere. my former governor abandoned existing schools and general hospitals and start five new ones and didn't finish any in 8years. Teachers too weren't well taken care of. Home and abroad Anambra schools are making Nigeria proud. Those who built new schools what have they achieved?

Bello's hirelings are still in denial

more obi threads are needed

victory to the people of Edo State. victory to PDP, victory to ighodalo

Am happy with them because they have kept his name going. The more dirt they throw at him the more facts and truth speak up for him. Obi is more mentioned on NL than their principal. Abeg more Obi threads from them

lol

all the delinquent characters defending Bello even in the face of facts should be tried alongside bello for stealing the resources of kogi

elite social event

FiftyFifty:


"There are Hausas and Fulanis of other Faiths, and not all Muslims are Hausas or Fulanis."

Nobody is saying otherwise but when Hausa-Fulani is mention, the Muslims and not the people of other faiths among them comes to mind. Just like when you mention the Berom, the Sayawa, or Angas, the Muslims among them hardly come to mind. It's that simple.

"Dan Fodio was an ethnic purist as seen in his actions. His Jihad saw to the elimination of Hausa Kings and their household but elevated foreigners - his kinsmen to the traditional stool of another ethnic group."

I thought you know a little about the Jihad, it seems I'm wrong. Most of Hausa kings such as Bawa Jan Gwarzo and Muhammad Yumfa, were only Muslims by names. They were more into paganism (maguzanci) than practicing the true the Islam. Bori and other magical practices were the order of the day. As a citizen you do not have the right whatsoever as you and your property belongs to the king, even, sometimes, your wife. People were subjected to slavery (literally), a high tax, and all sorts of despotic rule. That was what Shehu Danfodio started preaching against but the Kings couldn't take it, an attempt to assassinate him by the then King of Gobir Muhammad Yumfa failed, and that was the beginning of the Jihad. Danfodio didn't bring Islam to the north but he had the credit of reforming it (Islam). Without his reform, Islam would probably have long been lost in Hausaland. This is one of the reasons why people like you will never like him. Danfodio appointed (or gave flag) to only 14 Emirs, what happened to the remaining towns and cities in the north and who were in charge? Still, even among the 14 emir's appointed, not all of them were Fulanis. The criterion of the appointment wasn't tribal but competence based on the knowledge of the religion (Islam) since as a King you're also a Judge, and to be a Judge you need to be learned in the Qur'an and Hadith, the two primary sources of Islamic law. That's why Mallam (meaning scholar was added to their names like Mallam Yakubu, Bauchi; Mallam Zaki, Katagum; Mallam Dan Ashafa, Gusau; Mallam Sambo, Hadejia, Mallam Dan Tunku, Kazaure etc). If it were purely tribal affairs, you'd have heard "Hardo" this or that and not "Mallam". Besides, there was no revolt against the appointments by the people whatsoever, in fact the appointees we're heartly welcomed. Furthermore, if Danfodio was a tribal "purist", he would have ensured that Fulfulde became the new lingua; or he'd have at least promoted Fulfulde over there languages, but that wasn't the case. Everyone was allowed to maintain his language. It may interest you to also know that Danfodio retired to his home after the Jihad and didn't take any appointment until his death. I can't believe you don't know all these. Not a rocket science, yeah, but still seems to be beyond your comprehension.

"... they effectively became indigenes of those areas after the Fulani Jihad."

Being indigenous and being in control of a kingdom are two different things. I expected you to tell me who were the original inhabitants of the places I earlier mentioned- Yola, Girei, Mayo-Belwa, Lamurde, Fufore, Mubi, and Gombi, among others.

No state in Nigeria can brag of having only one tribe, but among several tribes that make up the state, you find a particular tribe that form a majority if you take the population of every individual tribe into consideration. What makes Adamawa state different is what I'm yet to understand. There are tribes in Adamawa, just like in every state but which among them is more populous/larger than the Fulanis? Jukun? Lol. I think you're the one driving in circles.

"I also opined that the was no kingdoms ruled by Fulanis in 1600 and what existed was Kwararafa, Nupe and Kanem Bornu, and they had little or no Hausa and Fulani in their midst. If Fulanis didn't exist there and had no control of the affairs there, how come they have kingdoms in these places today?"

I can't believe you're saying this. Are Fulanis in control of Takum (Kwarrarafa or Maiduguri (Borno)? I've asked you this same question before. Jukunawa like Kanuri have their emirate system (if I can use that), and no Fulani had anything to do with it.

"Kwararafa went beyond Jukun land..."

This has never been my concern, so I don't give a damn about what Kwararrafa was and what it was not. All I know is that the Fulanis you people so much love to hate had nothing to do with it since "the Fulani Jihad didn't anoint a leader or set up an Emirates there" (to borrow from you).

On Gombe, as I pointed earlier, as long as the Christian minority didn't misuse the privilege like their brothers in Kaduna and Niger, the political harmony remains. Being a Fulani or not has never been an issue. We've gone beyond that.

If Hausa language is a precursor to taking over a land by the Muslims as you want us believe, there are indigenous Hausa Christians even in Kano, why have they not been taken over?

"They migrated into and dispersed in Africa..."

Assuming there are Arabs in this country, if one mention that they migrated from North Africa he may be right because everyone can see that the northern Africa is a home to the Arabs. In the case of Fulanis, how did they migrate all from North Africa, at the same time, in millions, and spread across northern Nigeria since there are no Fulanis in North Africa is what you still failed to tell us.

"If Hausawa refer to Hausa speakers, Bajari refers to Jarawa speakers, Angasawa refer to Ngas speakers etc how come Gobirawa, Bussawa, Dukawa, Zarma, Kambarri etc are refered to as a branch of Hausawa?"

Lol. Have you ever heard of Kanawa, Zazzagawa, Zamfarawa, Katsinawa, Daurawa, Katagumawa, Hadejiawa, etc? Do they speak any language different from Hausa? No. They all speak Hausa from time immemorial. Same thing with Gobirawa. You can't discuss the history of Hausa and Shehu Uthman Danfodio's Jihad without mentioning Gobirawa, and neither the Gobirawa nor anyone has ever said that they aren't Hausa, except you, today. The Hausas add "wa" after the people not after a language, that's why you have Jasawa, Gombawa, Yarbawa, Nupawa, etc. When they want to refer to a language what they add is "ci" like Nupanci, Yarbanci, Angasanci, Sayanci, etc. Surprised you do not know this.

"The folks from Zuru told me they have a mother tongue and they still speak it."

Anyone knows this and isn't peculiar to Zuru alone. But Gobirawa have always been Hausa. Ask.

"What I narrated above is the common experience of majority of the youths who have lost their ethnic identity because their parents don't speak their mother tongue at home or they themselves don't speak so as to be regarded as Hausa or are seeking for visibility within the national and national space."

And someone like you will, one day, accuse Hausa for "swallowing" their language. Lol

"What I have expected of you in this discourse is to put it to (me) that some parts of present day Northern Nigeria were coopted from Cameron Chad and Niger. Lumping some of this strange fellows together by the modern governance architecture of Nigeria... But like I said I am informed."

I expected you also to know that Nigeria was a creation of British colonial masters that the Muslim North never wanted to be part of. The British colonial masters after the Berlin conference of 1884-1885 balkanized Africa, tearing people apart, and bringing total strangers that have nothing in common together. Many northern Muslims will prefer to be associated with the Sokoto Caliphate than this contraption/concoction formed by the colonial masters and named by Lugard's mistress. How people seems to be oblivios of all these and accused the Fulanis at every slightest opportunity is beyond me, especially those who boldly and brazenly brag of being "informed".

Am sure the following spoken languages point to the existence of natives before the arrival of Fulani Jihadist;
Yola - Laka, Mumuye,
Girei - Mbola,
Mayo-Belwa - Mumuye, Dong, Kumba, Nyong, Yandang,
Lamurde - Bachama (one of the natives the Fulani Jihadists couldn't defeat)
Fufore - Bachama, Koma, Mumuye, Mboi, Kugama, Kumba,
Mubi - Gude, Kilba, Margi (ta waye), Bata,
Gombi -Ga'aanda, Huba, Mboi,
Amongst others...

Which one is Jasawa? hmm a social Club!!


"Being indigenous and being in control of a kingdom are two different things."
That's the Colonial Model, which abhors one being in charge of his/her house or destiny but favours foreigners.

Like I said seperate Hausa, Islam and Fulani, they are not the same. Attempt to make the interest and the destiny of trio one and the same is nothing but deception.


"On Gombe, as I pointed earlier, as long as the Christian minority didn't misuse the privilege like their brothers in Kaduna and Niger, the political harmony remains". I have 'treated and cured' this sentiment.

"If Hausa language is a precursor to taking over a land by the Muslims as you want us believe, there are indigenous Hausa Christians even in Kano, why have they not been taken over?" This too has been treated and cured' even by you. They like the Fali of Adamawa fought and rejected Islam and were labeled pagans.


"What I narrated above is the common experience of majority of the youths who have lost their ethnic identity because their parents don't speak their mother tongue at home or they themselves don't speak so as to be regarded as Hausa or are seeking for visibility within the sub-national and national space."

"And someone like you will, one day, accuse Hausa for "swallowing" their language." Lol

You like drama, I have put the issues up and have also painted the pictures leading up to the outcomes. So it's also treated and cured.


"The British colonial masters after the Berlin conference of 1884-1885 balkanized Africa, tearing people apart, and bringing total strangers that have nothing in common together." No argument.


"Many northern Muslims will prefer to be associated with the Sokoto Caliphate than this contraption/concoction. How people seems to be oblivios of all these and accused the Fulanis at every slightest opportunity is beyond me, especially those who boldly and brazenly brag of being "informed".
Well you said many so no argument but I doubt most would want to go with the FULANI DYNASTY.


This thread is on ethnicities but you're trying very hard to introduce religion which is what you folks hide behind to shift focus from any discourse.

The British came to Nigeria under a guise but with time they fought, arrested, detained, exiled and killed our kings and people's just to overrun our territory and enthrone themselves as the rulers of Nigeria thus serving themselves with our resources. At the end Nigerians fought and negotiated with the British till they exited our country. What is the difference between Danfodio and British colonialist? Both invaded territories which were not theirs under a guise, suppressed, overthrew, killed and by force exalted themselves on the throne of their host.

I knew you would come with the adulteration of the practice of Islam as a justification for the Fulani War against Hausaland. It's sickening to hear people say they fought and killed for God. If a religion is owned by God then God should fight for himself and not send some mere mortals to fight for him. The Ethnic cum Economic war achieved land grabbing and enthroned guests over the hosts in the guise of religion which is still causing tension till today. Isn't it laughable to say only Fodio and his band men were practicing pure Islam throughout Nigeria because his band men took their ethnic war to Kanuri land, Yorubaland and others.
Religion is still by choice not by force.


"The earliest Fulbe polity was established in Bundu in 1690. The first armed uprising took place in Futa Jallon in 1725, when FULA PASTORALISTS, ASSISTED BY MUSLIM TRADERS, ROSE AGAINST THE INDIGENOUS CHIEFDOMS. By 1750, the Fula had established the Imamate of Futa Jallon and placed the region under sharia  law. Their success inspired the Toucouleurs  on the banks of the lower  Senegal to establish their own state, the Imamate of Futa Toro, through a series of wars between 1769 and 1776. In the early 19th century, the jihad movement spread eastward to the Hausa states. The revolutionary  Usman dan Fodio, through a series of jihads begun in 1804, created the Sokoto Caliphate.,"

"THE FUTA JALLON STATE WAS BORN IN 1735 WHEN FULANI MUSLIMS DECIDED TO RISE AGAINST THE NON-MUSLIM INDIGENOUS GROUPS AND DJALONKE RULERS TO CREATE A CONFEDERATION OF PROVINCES."


"At the beginning of the 19th century, USMAN DAN FODIO OVERTHREW thZe HAUSA KINGS TO CREATE A NEW FULANI EMPIRE." 

Adamawa (now partially in Cameroon), founded in 1809; title Baban-Lamido

Agaie, founded in 1822; title emir

Bauchi Emirate, founded in 1805; title Lamido  ( lamiɗo in Fula language), meaning "ruler" (similar meaning to Emir )

Gombe, founded in 1804; title Modibo Gombe.

Gwandu, a major Fulbe jihad state, founded in 1817; title Emir

Hadejia, replaced Biram (title Sarkin Biram) in 1805; new title Sarkin Hadejia, from 1808 also styled Emir

Jama`are, founded in 1811; style Emir.

Jema`an Darroro, founded in 1810; title Emir

Kano replaced the old (Hausa) Kano state in March 1807; the old title Sarkin Kano is still used, but now also styled Emir

Katagum, founded in 1807; title Sarkin Katagum, also styled Emir

Katsina replaced the old (Hausa) Katsina state in 1805; the old title Sarkin Katsina is still used, but now also styled Emir.

Kazaure, founded in 1818; title Emir.

Keffi, founded in 1802; title Emir

Lafiagi, founded in 1824; new title Emir

Lapai, founded in 1825; style Emir

Muri, founded in 1817, style Emir;

Sokoto, the center of the Fulani jihad, established in 1804 by Usman dan Fodio, title Amir al-Mu´minin, also styled Lamido Julbe; on 20 April 1817 Sokoto was styled sultanate (title sultan, also styled Amir al-Mu´minin and Sarkin Musulmi), the suzerain of all Fulbe jihad states.

Zaria, 1808. Emir, also styled Sarkin Zaria and Sarkin Zazzau.

rather than negatively portraying the Northern elders, Matawalle should have listed the achievements, programmes and policies, projects of President Bola Ahmed Tinubu in the North and the country as a whole in the first 10 months of the administration

Noerection:
if this your moniker got registered in 2012 I believe you too must have said negative things about the Agulu Barawo

gather your evidence and take him to court

"You've a disgusting hatred towards both Hausas and Fulanis or to say Islam, this is glaringly obvious. It's pathetic. Sorry."

This is how you started. Hausa, Islam and Fulani ain't the same. Like I said earlier, they are different and should be interrogated differently. There are Hausas and Fulanis of other Faiths, and not all Muslims are Hausas or Fulanis. The mistake most people do is to use one for all.


"There is no point educating you about Shehu Uthman Danfodio. If you lack a basic comprehension of a simple geographical and historical issues, I doubt if you can understand that one."

Another salvo you fired at my mention. There was Islam in Northern and Yorubaland long before Uthman Dan Fodio was born. Atleast Fodio wasn't born in the 11th, 14th or 16th century. Dan Fodio was an ethnic purist as seen in his actions. His Jihad saw to the elimination of Hausa Kings and their household but elevated foreigners - his kinsmen to the traditional stool of another ethnic group. How is it possible that amongst the Hausa people that sided with his religious teachings none was found worthy to lead the Emirates he created, even Bauchi Emirate which was said to have gone to a non Fulani drew protests. What makes an ethnic group more godly than the other? Isn't his actions which has survived till today colonialism in the guise of religion? I understand the fact that most of you folks don't want a spot on, on him for the sake of the Faith. But the ethnic imperialism cum his Jihad ain't really rocket science for me to comprehend.


"but if you don't know that there were indigenous Fulanis in Adamawa, Taraba, Bauchi, Jigawa, Kebbi, Sokoto, and Zamfara, among others, then I'm afraid you're not the person you desperately want us to believe you are."

The Fulanis came to those areas hundreds of years after the arrival of Hausas as a 'come and go' herding groups. Very few stayed behind. They are not autochthons, they effectively became indigenes of those areas after the Fulani Jihad. Can you school me on the kingdom they controlled in Hausaland in the days of say, Idris Alooma of Kanem Bornu?


Well you been driving in circles. And your attempt to label my take the position of a stranger is unfortunate and of no importance to this discourse. I also deliberately refused to muddle up my take with issues not relevant to the area under focus. I stated clearly that Adamawa is derived from a Fulani source ie a Fulani name but the Fulanis ain't majority there and that's is what led you mentioning my comment.


"Adamawa Emirate founded by Modibbo Adama in 1800s".

Thank you for stating the obvious that Adama Modibbo Emirate came on in 1800's, of course that's within the period of the Jihad. So weren't there people there before that time? Did the Jihad conquer Fulanis or trees and mountains? No!! it conquered people, autochthonous ethnic groups living there for centuries. I don't remember saying Fulanis are older than Hausas in Nigeria, I opined that even the Hausas migrated into Nigeria and the interminglings led to the loss of native tongues especially with advent of Islam hundreds of years before the Fulani Jihad.


"Check my earlier post on Kwararrafa, Nupe, and Kanem Bornu, I pointed out earlier that there was no trace of Fulanis in those kingdoms, I don't know what brought about claiming "majority status". I maintained that the Kwararrafa was the Jukun part of Taraba and Benue, has anybody to this very day told you otherwise?"

I also opined that the was no kingdoms ruled by Fulanis in 1600 and what existed was Kwararafa, Nupe and Kanem Bornu, and they had little or no Hausa and Fulani in their midst. If Fulanis didn't exist there and had no control of the affairs there, how come they have kingdoms in these places today? And the answer is simply that these kingdoms are a product of the Fulani Jihad. But even with that the indigenous people weren't all killed or dislodged by the invaders neither did they the invaders outnumber them in population, the natives were only out gunned so they accepted the forced rulership of the minority.


" Who were the original inhabitants of Fufore, Girei, Gombi, Lamurde, Mayo-Belwa, and Mubi (both north and south), among others? Jukun, maybe."

The question to be answered by you is, who inhabited those areas before Adama's Kingdom came on board in 1800's. Are they the same inhabitants as seen today? If there was a Fulani Jihad who was it against? Again the places you mentioned do have autochthons who are still there till date.


"If your problem is with reducing the influence of Kwararrafa (Jukun) Gowon, not Danfodio should be blamed for introducing state system in Nigeria in 1967. You did say that you speak Hausa but that "Arewa mu" is, with due respect, saying otherwise. Sorry."


"Kwararrafa comprised largely of some parts of Taraba and Benue but the "spanned about forty thousand square miles that covered parts of northeastern Nigeria, entire northern Cameroon, and part of Central African Republic." (Wiki) So between Kwararrafa and Adamawa which one needs to claim "majority status" (to borrow from you)?"

Kwararafa went beyond Jukun land, it was a multiethnic confederacy stretching from today's North East to central Nigeria. Language and cultural similarities attest to this fact. At it's peak, it was a peaceful and powerful kingdom, at it's fall all the groups under the kingdom went their ways and established their ethnic ruling structure opened to all natives regardless of religious persuasion. Even though they dispersed to various directions they continued to unite to fight off invaders. Gowon wasn't around in the 1800's. He didn't kill the natives and didn't enthrone a Fulani dynasty. Gowon's State creation liberated alot of polities along the axis of my focus, Atleast the establishment of LGA gave most groups the opportunity to unveil their true identity and enjoy some levels of freedom.


I also made it clear that Muslim dominated areas speak Hausa as first language and possibly the only language because it is the language of propagation and interaction, thus those with native tongues easily drop them for Hausa. In non Muslim polities Hausa is spoken but not as first or only language that's not to say that there are no Hausa and Fulani Christians or traditionalist. I also used Benue and Kogi as two states in the North were Hausa ain't an everyday lingua, (infact those who speak, learnt it outside the state) maybe because their neighbors are also natives but most importantly is the fact that there are no ethnic tongues that gave way to Hausa language or was swallowed by Hausa language, also the Fulani Jihad didn't anoint a leader or set up an Emirates there. Today, should any tribe there for any reason loose it's identity or settle for Hausa culture, Hausa language will become their lingua, Islam will set in, then migrant Fulanis from neighbouring countries will troop in to claim indigeneship - this is a known pattern. All I have said ain't unknown to you, but it is normal to hinge on 'the route' and the speculated origin of the Fulanis to seek to drive in circles instead of interrogating the issues. The word Hausa - Fulani is an amalgamation of Northern polities but when broken down the reality stare's one on the face - that is the story of Adamawa and some parts of NC and NE.


"I don't know what you mean by the "attempted attempt in Gombe", it may be another fallacious assumption."

Of course I don't expect you to be in the know of the attempted attempt, the people saw the whirlwind coming and took shelter in a counter move without drama, those who didn't heed the warning on Elrufia eventually are tasting the bitter pill of taking things for granted. Even though I have kept to my area of focus and haven't really bothered about all the examples you gave but I didn't find Yero's name on the list of folks who became deputy governor and governor in a strange land. Like I said I won't bother myself with issues on Political and Economic Fulanis - people who claim or speak Fulani language to gain mileage, a northern scholar has also attended to the issue even Myetti Allah folks have also alluded to that, 'Idon Mikiya' of Vision FM have also contended that some of those in Myetti Allah organization ain't really Fula, Fulbe or Pulaaku... but folks using the ethnic group and organization to pursue their personal interests.


"Is good seeing you saying, correctly this time around, that "Hausa language came first before Islam". This debunked your earlier assertion ecenthpugh you now introduced "Hausanised" again. Lol"

I also didn't say, Islam came first neither did I say Fulanis came first. You mentioned my post because I said there were 'vanished' tongues as a result of the movement of Hausas into Nigeria but you objected to that listing Hausa states and further raised questions. At no time did I say that Islam came first. in my last response I further emphasized that people's of the areas under focus existed before the birth of Jesus and Mohammed, meaning they had a way life distinct from that introduced by Christianity and Islam. of course you understand 'nized' when applied to tribe. Hausa language swallowed and is still swallowing the tongue of natives. I also tried to give example of a tribal Muslim and a non Muslim, and there usage of the language. While Hausa is commonly spoken in the North, it is more pronounced amongst those who use it more. A Karekare Muslim like Distinguished Senator Ahmed Lawal an ethnic Northerner and a non Hausa and a non Fulani may still understand his tongue but it may not be spoken in his house on daily because of Hausa is the official language of interaction amongst Muslims and with inter marriages, native tongues become more submerged. That is not to say Christians don't use Hausa language in Churches but it is limited. Today is Sunday, native tongues alongside English is used, Hausa language is also used especially is mixed communities where people understand Hausa language but were they to be 'Hausanize' Hausa language takes over completely. After it takes over completely, Islam sets in, then Fulanis will show up from other parts of world to say 'ai garin mu na gado ne'. Where Hausa has taken over completely is in Muslims areas in the North West.


"If you want to quote me, do so correctly pls, I didn't say religion is the first consideration for electing pu lic officers, and I also didn't make a sweeping generalisation, I said "in most parts of the North". Check."

Below is your take which generalized;

"NORTHERNERS PAY MORE ATTENTION TO RELIGION THAN TRIBE. That's the reason they voted for Abiola in 1993 and Tinubu in 2023. If you're a Muslim, you can easily contest and win an election in most parts of the North."

MORE, means it scores higher mark or comes first on the table of preference.


"You're yet to convince us that Fulanis truly migrated from North Africa. And you want to bring Buzus again into the discourse. Lol"


The Fulanis themselves speak of it, they have a complex origin because they are 'cluster' with variant tongues. They migrated into and dispersed in Africa, and adapted to cultures of their host before seeking to topple existing kingdoms as seen in Nigeria.

The Buzus are related to the Fulanis and most people even in Nigeria confuse the two principally because there is a political identity in the Muslim North which places religion as the first requirement for sub national and national leaders. A scholar of your faith has treated the origin of some of the prominent personalities in the North who are thought to be Fulanis. That came as a surprise to Southerners not Northerners who already know what he authored and more. So am not making up the Buzu story, i brought it up to affirm your position that religion comes first for a Muslim when voting even if it means voting a foreigner but who is a Muslim.

I also opined that Gobirawa way a distinct group but Hausa language swallowed it up and today Gobirawa is considered a Branch of Hausa language,

If Hausawa refer to Hausa speakers, Bajari refers to Jarawa speakers, Angasawa refer to Ngas speakers etc how come Gobirawa, Bussawa, Dukawa, Zarma, Kambarri etc are refered to as a branch of Hausawa?

l have interacted with people from some of those place and majority of them convinced me that they were a distinct ethnic group with a distinct tongue before the coming of Hausa migrants who funny enough sucked them into their ways of life. I also interacted with people who say the are owners of Kano - Maguzawa I was made to understand it is a religious and tribal description. The folks from Zuru told me they have a mother tongue and they still speak it till date. To my amazement most of the non Muslims I interacted with still speak their mother tongue alongside Hausa, while their Muslim brethren prefer Hausa and hardly bother about their mother tongue. Each relied on oral history passed down from generations to generations as the source of there fact,. The early Hausa migrants were traditionalist.

I had an acquaintance from Michika who one day told me he is Hausa-Fulani. But you told me you are of Higi ethnic stock, So what changed i inquired. I then asked him if his folks who are of other Faiths share in his 'new ethnic identity'. He told me that when he is with his kinsmen he speaks his native language but reverts to being a Hausa person while away. I further inquiried why he wouldn't agree to be a Hausa man in his village he laughed telling me that would be counter productive. But adopting or belonging to Hausa-Fulani will give him mileage. I encouraged him to hold on to his native identity instead of adopting another man's identity or subscribe to the Hausa-Fulani political identity which only benefits those who designed it and is of little benefit to the surviving ethnic groups of North.

What I narrated above is the common experience of majority of the youths who have lost their ethnic identity because their parents don't speak their mother tongue at home or they themselves don't speak so as to be regarded as Hausa or are seeking for visibility within the national and national space.


What I have expected of you in this discourse is to put it to (me) that some parts of present day Northern Nigeria were coopted from Cameron Chad and Niger. Lumping some of this strange fellows together by the modern governance architecture of Nigeria is what is giving many the wrong impression about origins. My takes ain't borne out of revisionism, pettiness or primordial intellectual discourse. But like I said I am informed.

FiftyFifty:


This seems to be your best attempt so far in this discourse but even this isn't without its deficiencies. If truly you're from the NC you should know some of the points I raised even if my "known tales" will not change your "position".

Check my earlier post on Kwararrafa, Nupe, and Kanem Bornu, I pointed out earlier that there was no trace of Fulanis in those kingdoms, I don't know what brought about claiming "majority status". I maintained that the Kwararrafa was the Jukun part of Taraba and Benue, has anybody to this very day told you otherwise? The Wiki referred to Yola the capital of Adamawa state as "the capital of a Fulani state until it was taken over by the British in 1901." Who were the original inhabitants of Fufore, Girei, Gombi, Lamurde, Mayo-Belwa, and Mubi (both north and south), among others? Jukun, maybe. If your problem is with reducing the influence of Kwararrafa (Jukun) Gowon, not Danfodio should be blamed for introducing state system in Nigeria in 1967. You did say that you speak Hausa but that "Arewa mu" and "garin Hausa" are, with due respect, saying otherwise. Sorry.

Kwararrafa comprised largely of some parts of Taraba and Benue but the Adamawa Emirate founded by Modibbo Adama in the 1800s "spanned about forty thousand square miles that covered parts of northeastern Nigeria, entire northern Cameroon, and parts of Central African Republic." (Wiki) So between Kwararrafa and Adamawa which one needs to claim "majority status" (to borrow from you)?

Is good seeing you saying, correctly this time around, that "Hausa language came first before Islam". This debunked your earlier assertion eventhough you now introduced "Hausanised" again. Lol

If you want to quote me, do so correctly pls, I didn't say religion is the first consideration for electing public officers in the north, and I also didn't make a sweeping generalisation, I said "in most parts of the North". Check. You cleverly smuggled in competence as a yardstick in electing officials in the Christian north, but what we've seen so far especially with Ortom, Darius, and even Lalong suggests otherwise. I don't know what you mean by the "attempted attempt in Gombe", it may be another fallacious assumption.

You're yet to convince us that Fulanis truly migrated from North Africa. And you want to bring Buzus again into the discourse. Lol

Flame333:
Confuse late minute hypocrisy...

he is on a mission in APC

He is an excellent specimen of how not to be a governor.

APC's specimen.

FiftyFifty:

The way you talk, I doubt if you've ever been to the North, the core-north. You use the data from Wiki when it suits you and when it doesn't you tender an "apology to wiki".

So Hausas migrated from Sudan but the same Sudanese speak Arabic. The few Hausas there found themselves there due to the journey to Mecca for pilgrimage.
You alo said the Hausas came through "Tripoli route" If you are coming to any part of Nigeria from Sudan you have no business with Tripoli which is far north, you head westward pass Chad and you're in Nigeria. Geography is added to your problems after history.
Churches in plateau uses Hausa in their service just like I told you that the Birom people uses Hausa language even among themselves. You don't know all these you're here presenting yourself as an authority in a subject you're obviously oblivious of.

Kanem Bornu is in the south of Hausaland? Lol. This is embarassing to you, wallahi. Kanem Bornu is in the east, take note.

You shy away from a answering this simplest question: Before Islam came to Hausaland, what what was the language of the original inhabitants of Kano, Zazzau, Katsina, Daura, Kazaure, Gumel, Gusau, Gobir, Rano, and Mafara among others? Waiting for your answer.

The Fulanis, you said, came to Nigeria from North Africa, how come there's no any country in northern Africa that speaks Fulfulde, or they just decided to migrate all at once, and in millions?

Nupe people are largely in Niger, Kwara, and Kogi states; Kwararrafa is the Jukun side of Taraba and Benue states; Kanem Bornu was Borno, and some parts of Yobe states; there was never the trace of Kanuri, Jukun, and Nupe in Adamawa so who was the inhabitants of Adamawa, or it was just a plain land?

Politics in Nigeria comes with its peculiar intricacies, it is not always a determining factor in this regard. Late Abu Hashidu was a Governor in Gombe in 1999, he was Fulani. Inuwa Yahaya, the current Governor is also Fulani. Gombe, like some states in the North has a negligible percentage of indigenous Christians, there's therefore an unwritten agreement to always give them a Deputy Governor's slot except where they misuse the gesture and provoke the Muslims like in Niger and Kaduna that's where they will lose that opportunity since the Muslims can win any election without them. In Gombe, just like in Adamawa the relationship between the two faith is cordial, so? This further exposes your ignorance about the north and its politics. Another example is Taraba which is a Muslim majority state (I know you'll argue but try and have a heart-to-heart discussion with anybody from Taraba and he'll tell you), another pointer is that from 1999 to date, two out of the three senators representing the date in Abuja have always been Muslims. That tells you all you need to know. Why they are not been governors is a topic for another day. Also, from 1999 to date all the governors in Bauchi state came from one senatorial zone, is Bauchi south senatorial zone more populous than the northern and central zones? Still, consider this points, Jonathan is from Ijaw tribe, is Ijaw among the major tribes in Nigeria? In the recent elections, Tinubu lost to Peter Obi in Lagos, does Lagos belongs to the Igbos? Same Tinubu lost to Atiku in Osun, yes Osun, not Adamawa. What is this telling you? Northerners pay more attention to religion than tribe. That's the reason they voted for Abiola in 1993 and Tinubu in 2023. If you're a Muslim, you can easily contest and win an election in most parts of the North. Shekarau governed Kano for 8 years, he was a minister and a senator but he is originally from Borno. The immediate Governor of Bauchi M A Abubakar is from Kogi. I can go on.

There is no point educating you about Shehu Uthman Danfodio. If you lack a basic comprehension of a simple geographical and historical issues, I doubt if you can understand that one.

First, I am of the North Central, Second, I speak Hausa, Third, I am an informed person, Fourth, I know the contentious issues in the inter group relations within my zone & region. Of course I don't expect you to accept it. Your rehearse of known tales doesn't take away my position and the facts.

I mentioned three kingdoms to portray to you that there were NO Fulani empire in there present places before Dan Fodio
to claim majority status. My area of focus are NC and NE, because one of the kingdom cover two zones. Can you state when the Emirate system led by Fulanis started? And before it started where there rulers and inhabitants in those places? I have dealt with Hausa language and it's use in 'Arewa mu' it was a trade language that swallowed other languages especially with arrival of Islam. Hausa language came before Islam.

Before Jesus and Mohammed, these communities existed. The question are; where there other religions there before the arrival of the big two and how old where they before the big two came into existence? how old is Islam as a religion? Is Islam older than Hausa language? Is Hausa and Fulani the first or earlier languages of peoples of today's garin Hausawa?

Hausa is spoken in native areas but not like in Hausanized areas. In igala land for example they preach with their native tongue in Churches and Mosques but once they are Hausanized, Hausa will supplant their native tongue and even the use of English language in worship places will disappear. In Birom land, Birom, English and Hausa are used in both Churches and Mosques. But if they are Hausanized, Hausa language takes over their native tongue than Islam sets in.

You rightly said religion is the first consideration for electing public officers in the North but that is in the Muslim North. In the Christian North, tribe and competence are the major considerations. Islam is not known to tolerate tribal lines. Some Northern People submit to the religion to gain visibility but others have rejected it and are holding on to their identity thus their exclusion...

In Adamawa the natives of both religions are doing a collaboration, because the division amongst them in the past aided the narratives that Fulanis control, dominate or own them, same in Taraba. I have refused to mix three variables together, Hausa, Islam and Fulani. They are different and are to be interrogated independently before drawing up a conclusion. But you are using Islam for all, some use Fulani for the three.

I won't get into the political dynamics in Taraba, Kaduna, Niger, Kwara the attempted attempt in Gombe. Sadly, I know the world map. I know where Sudan is and where Niger is. Tripoli route is a trade route, am sure you know that route, I also know you know there are Hausa speakers on that route some of the migrants from that route have already attained great heights in this country. 'Borno was the southern terminus of the trade route coming from Tripoli' - THE ROUTE.

Fulani's are said to have descended from amongst the Arabs of Middle East. Some of them claim the Buzus are another of them with a variant tongue, even the nomad 'cluster' in the East Africa are said to be another variant of the same group. What many Southerners refer to Fulanis are sometimes Buzus and the Fulanis have also alluded to this.

I won't also bother myself with POLITICAL and ECONOMIC Fulanis.