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cooljude:
Islam is a spin-off of Christianity and Judaism as Christianity is a spin-off of Judaism. Zoroastrian preceded Judaism as a monotheist Religion.

Their isn't a need arguing with your view because most religious bigots are narrowed minded who don't have the ability to criticise and analyse their faith.

Religion is man-made and to correct your fallacy, Allah was one of the many pagan GOD in Arabia same as the new Yahweh was once one of the many Pagan GOD.

I have to admit the islam is a better copy of Judaism because of the monotheistic nature of the religion while christaiity is something else because of the concept of Trinity.

so why mentioning me since you know my opinion already.

enilove:
God bless you.
Pls don't be discouraged , it is part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. That is to endure and hold on to your faith in God.

I was a Muslim , so I can tell you there is no salvation in other name than the name of Jesus Christ.

wat a pity, 'i was a Muslim' even the ignoramus of the Islam as a religion. u remains unbeliever that worship 3 god instead of one,
'name of Jesus' when he does not even know he bears that name celled jesus. continue in yr dilution till death come to you.

boliswitpassprik:
thunda faya your your left ball!

for wating i do you now

shadeyinka:
And I hear that you Muslims speak of the 99 names of Allah!

why shifting goalpost, let go on don't be tired so soon.

YoungMILITANT:
Islam and terrorism is like 5 & 6.

before it too late. death is coming and might be tomorrow.

shadeyinka:
Your knowledge of history is appalling!
Abraham wasn't an Arab
Ishmael wasn't an Arab
Are they?

the were the founder of the Arab nation, Ismail was the Father of Arabs. historian shadeyinka.

YoungMILITANT:
so, i should bow down and worship you.
Head slammers eh.. You people are always confused.

head slammers you call us even Jesus did same as many of prophet in your bible did same. grow up with yr insulting comments.

YoungMILITANT:
I think you need to go for psych check up!
Does God have a building

You are really confused young man

see old man comment.
Everything belong to Allah including you and the building

shadeyinka:
Who brought pure monotheism to the Arabs?
Abdullah or Mohammed?

The answer is starring you in the face!

Abraham and Ismail

shadeyinka:
I don't know where you got this your translation from but I willbadvise you to check out the Hebrew-English interlinear (literal ) translation to see the lies in your above quote

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/22.htm
Meaning Jehovah/Yahweh will provide!



But you just suddenly reminded me that Islam just managed to change Isaac to Ishmael in a twinkle of an eye (without giving any detail) so as to hide the lies deep (no questions to be asked)

any body can wake up one day and decided to call God anything he likes in the bible

Genesis22:14 Avraham called the place Adonai Yir’eh [Adonai will see (to it), Adonai provides] — as it is said to this day, “On the mountain Adonai is seen.”

enilove:
You bow down to a building 5 time a day 7 times a week to show unity? Unity with who or with what ?
Facing a house to show unity among Muslims or to God , which is more important? During the pre Islamic era , idols were kept inside the Kabaah , don't you know it is still housing something ?

Exodus 20:4-5 KJV
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

The Bible contains the journey of Abraham . Abraham never went with Ishmael to Arabia. This was revealed about 2000 years b4 Islam came.
The story that Abraham went to build a house in Arabia and circled it 7 times is funny. Why? If you may ask.
Abraham lived and died in Israel . How come he did not build such a house of worship in Israel and go round it to show the Israelites that mode of worship? Unless you Muslims are saying he did not worship God any more till he died.

Why would God ask Abraham to build such house knowing that it would be converted to a house of Satan ?
What about the black stone? Was it taken there by Abraham ?
Why did Muhammed loved satanic music if he was not part of it ?

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:
Sahin Bukhari
Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

Idol worshippers always face their idols when worshipping , don't let the devil fool you .

B4 Muhammed , the idol worshippers had been using that name ,"Allah" to carry-out their idolatery. You cannot use the name of God to worship idol. Idolatery is from Satan , who will give them name and mode of worship. Satan loves violence and shedding of blood , which Islam loves also.

see if you wont to worship idol who stop you but for the Muslims we worship the God of the Building and not the building

you are quoting bible yet you worship 3 gods what an irony

and you wont to use the story of bible that contain series of fallacies to tell me the story of Abraham, Quran is the Furqan best to be used for it pure story narrations.

on the hadith MUhammed know better than any of his followers so he guide them on what is good and what is bad and on this occasion of singing is to tell us that it is not every music that is forbidding, Abubakar might call it devil but prophet then corrected him that is is lawful and not devil.

don't you know that all idol worshipers of today still uses the name God during their worship. wake up to the call of Islam before its too late.

shadeyinka:
We are saying the same thing. The servant of Allah (Abdallah) worshipped an idol. Dont forget that Allah had three daughters in the Kaaba then. You want their names?

quote the authority don't mention. my query is clear.

shadeyinka:
It would be nice if you can find a quranic verse to support your claim.

Here is mine from the scriptures, I can give you more if you want





That's not true. God is refereed to as God, Lord, Almighty, Jehovah, etc in the Bible. A few where Jehovah is directly used is below

Genesis22:14 And Avraham called the name of that place Hashem Yireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of Hashem it shall be provided. was it called jehoha jire or Hashem yireh

fellowman:
This from the islamic Hadith

"Kanz Al Umal" (The Treasure of the Workers), in the chapter of "The issues of women", authored by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in "Al-Jami Al-Saghir," written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.
Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

"I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib"… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

The Arabic scholar Demetrius explains : "The Arabic word used here for "slept" is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "lay down to have sex." Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers." This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believed that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave.

i pity your soul with your hadith, a leaner

fellowman:
how does that answer my question?
Did Muhammed have sex with Fatima after she died to make her access heaven yes or No?

you have your mouth till certainty (death) comes to you then you shall realized the one who you are.

fellowman:
you mean the Muhammed that had sex with a dead woman, and the dead woman was her foster parent.

is it that Muhammed you are talking about?

the one that said people should drink water from a well filled with a dead donkey and menstrual clothes, is that the Muhammed you're talking about?

My leader and leader for all prophets
Imam for the faithful
A king without palace or crown yet never a ruler like Him
but for what need is that of a palace
when the Mosjeeds were begging for his entrance unto them
and of what good will a crown do a man that the sun is shy of reflection is beauty
a warrior, General of the best of the battalions.
Merciful to his followers but nightmare to the terrorist
Unlettered but posses the most comprehensive book on the planet
love Him you love Allah, but hate Him to see the hell of Allah
Allah prised Him, the Angel prised Him you that believed wont you then praise Him
ALLAHUMA SOLLI ALA MUHAMMED WAALII WASOLIM.

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, the Hadith singled out the Jews for extermination by the will of Allah.

Unfortunately Jehovah unconditionally loves the Jews. But, the almighty Allah seems to do the exact opposite.

The question a lot of us still ask is that:
I'd Allah the same as Jehovah?

all your questioned were answered but for the unconditional love of Jehovah i disagreed, for the bible also disagreed.

moreover many translator of bible never uses Jehovah as the name of their God.

shadeyinka:
We know that Mohammed Father Abdulah was a servant of Allah and an idol worshiper

Abdul-Allah is the full meaning of that name, thy know Allah since the coming of Abraham to the mecca as the owner of earth and heaven who deserved to be worship but they became pagan because of the less information of Allah so they pretend to worship Allah through the idols.

Uyi168:
..but judaism and christianity came before islam..

all prophet brought nothing but one religion called Islam, (that is submission to the will of Allah) Muhammad only came as the last prophet of all for Islam. nothing like Christianity nor Judaism they were all man made.

enilove:
Can't you see open - idol worshipping performed by you Muslims when you face a building , clothed in black , and pray to it? When you go to Mecca , you still go round the black clothed house 7 times kissing or pointing to the black stone on the wall of the Kabaah . Why ? Is God Almighty living in the small black house? You Tawaf like the pre Islamic era .

Why is the name of Allah related to the idol Allat?

The Arabs are still worshipping their idols , no Prophet of the Bible worshiped Allah. Allah is a false god.

facing a building is just a sign of unity for Muslim and nothing more,
clothed in black by Muslims? is that a prerequisite of prayers? no. pray to what ? we only pray to Allah and nothing more,
we go round the Kaaba just to emulate our father Ibrahim and his Son Ismail, and the pagan try to emulate their forefather too but do it wrongly but they know that the fist person on that land did so and that became tradition but Muhammad came to set thing straight by the proper ways of doing all this since he is the rightful person to lay claim to Ibrahim.

Allah is indivisible noun while al-Lat is a name of idol they are different al and lat made it up.
no Arab still worship idol today and all prophet of God worshiped Allah.

shadeyinka:
You are still repeating yourself.
YHWH was because ancient texts didn't use vowels in words. I asked you a question.
Can the name Allah dissapear from use among Muslims?
If it can dissapear, then you may have a point other than that, you conjour fallacies

Allah cannot dissapear because the Muslim world has never hid the name in the Qur'an every body can call the name for good unlike the Jew that forbid the calling of the name and hid same to their generation.

and Jehovah was used by the pagan of their generation as god even b4 the coming of Moses.

shadeyinka:
If we are to look for godless people in the world, wouldn't a nation of atheist qualify more for destruction rather than Jews?


So why does the hadith tell us here that we have to kill them?

Don't forget that those who killed the messengers of God have been dead for more than 2000 years now. So, the question remains:
Who are these Jews?
What was their offence?

for the atheist or Jew or even so called Muslim shall all be hate as far as they dont do the will of Allah

the hadith is talking about the future war that will break out among the Muslim and the Jew that will oppose the Islam and Muslims.

they died long ago but yet many still followed their footstep till today in corruption and transgression, those are the one to hate not the Jew in totality

shadeyinka:
How could the name of God be lost to people who worship him? Its like saying that the name Allah became lost ti Muslims: is that possible?! NO!

How does YHWH resemble Allah?
Allah means "the god"!

Since Jehovah and Allah are different, you have no case

YHWH (Yahwey/Jehovah) was too holy to be pronounced by the mortal sinful lips of men without purification.

"Allah (feminine Allat) was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities."



Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Exodus 17:15
And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovah nissi:

Psalms 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

YHWH was not the real name but 4 letter words that used to represent the name of God, that was the problem of the Jew that the name was too holy to be called so it vanished from their traditions.

sonmvayina:
Holy Spirit Was On Earth Before,Psalms 51:11: do not thrust me away from your presence, do not take away from me your spirit of holiness NJB

1Samuel16:14 : Now the spirit of GOD, was withdrawn from saul and an evil spirit from GOD affected him with terrors..NJB.

This clearly shows that God spirit was already with man long before the Jesus character made this statements in John 16:4-10

let us discuss.

it was the bible translator that change the person to spirit, Jesus was referring to a man not ghost. spirit was with man as you said.

shadeyinka:
Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah. Judah was the fourth son of Jacob (yakub) through his wife Lear.

Muslims are taught to hate Jews so much that they loose fact that most of the prophets they we're supposed to believe in are Jews.

Muslims never hate Jews as a tribe as long as they do the will of Allah but for those that killed massangers of Allah and course corruption in the land are bonds to be hate.

Alcatraz005:
So we should all be Muslims? Can you picture how the world would have been if we were all Muslims? I am tired of even sharing the same country with you muslims.

Muslim is not terrorist but many claimed to be, terro is never Islam and for the all to be Muslim shall be better for your hereafter bc that is only religion to be accepted by God.

shadeyinka:
How can you believe such lies.?
The God of the Jews is known as Jehovah
Is the God of Muslims Jehovah?

Judaism is just observance and practice of the Laws of Moses

the God of Jew was never called Jehova, the original neme of God was lost in the Jew descendant for the reason that they dont called the name of God for its holiness and that was how it got lost. Allah was the name. research yourself.

Alcatraz005:
What are you saying? We all serve God so what are you saying?

we soppose to be serving God but unfortunatly human has chosen another religion for themself called christianity and judaism, Jesus never practise christianity nor Moses practice Jedaism but they all submitted to the will of one God called Islam.

YoungMILITANT:
tikakakakakaklakakakaka. Never a misery young man.

It is a mystery.

whatever, open your mind to the only religion of God, Islam. remember that you shall stand alone in the front of your God to defend your action or inaction while on this earth of test.

Alcatraz005:
How? You would defeat Israel and the western forces?

Forces? they all belong to Allah and shall obey when the time comes and its near.

Alao046:
I read a post on this forum this morning about Donald triumph declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It was stated that the population of Jerusalem is about 850000 people, with 61% jews and 37% Muslims, meaning that other religion such as Christianity, Hinduism and others are under the remaining 2%. I went to the wikipedia to browse about religion in Israel and i discovered that in their 2011 census, they had 71% jews, 16.9% Muslims, 2.1% christainsin and 1.7% druze.
Why is there a very poor population of Christians in Israel, i also read that the third holiest ground in Islam is in Jerusalem(al-aqsa mosque), behind the mosque s in mecca and medinna. I want to know why all these, there ought to be a very little number of Muslims in the state, and vice-versal for the xtains, but instead their population is increasing, from 16.9% in 2011 to 37% in 2017. Jesus Christ was a christain and came from Israel, how come there are no xtains in Israel today, why are they jews and Muslims mostly. Where does Christianity hails from, if not Israel . Why do Muslims have their third holiest land in where ought to be a christain land. All these question are going through my mind now, please who are these Jews and who are these Muslims. I need answers please.

go on with more of your research and you will come to know the truth that Isiac and Ishmael were all blessed by God and Jesus came from Isiac while Muhammed came from lineage of Ishmael and they all came with one religion to follow and worship One God only not Jesus not Muhammed is worthy to be worship.

on this city is the city of the holy massangers and it belongs to all followers of these prophet of One God and it was the followers of the other prophet that changes the religion of God of total submission called Islam, Jesus never came with a religion called christianity nor Moses came with Judaism they all came to submite to One God and that is called Islam. later or sooner islam shall take over the city in its totality.

Bumidavis:
No

yes, what about Genesis 38