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engineerboat:
In the beginning God made Adam and eve. If God had wanted man to marry many wives he would have done that himself.

Matthew 19: 4

4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8. He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

are you sure he made only two people there, if at all the story of genesis is actually how the human race started?

If they were only two, who then are the people cain and God spoke of when he said "anyone who sees me will kill me...", and God said "anyone who does that, will recieve several times your punishment"? It seems the anyone they both talked about, were people unconnected to adam and eve as well as cain and abel. Also, that same bible said: "and cain knew his wife..." so the question is: where did he get that wife to get married to? Are you saying he married his sister? And why don't you marry your sister today? Pls don't tell me that there were certain things permitted in those days that are not permitted today.

And how does your mattew verses prove that one should not get married to more than a wife? When he said male and female, was he just restricting it to just two people individually? Why can't the "male and female" mean him recognising the two sexes he created, why do you want to deliberately understand it to mean just two individuals?

enshy:
My Brother In Christ!
We Christians believe the scriptures only and obey.
In the beginning, he made them one man, one wife.
Now you are born again, your first wife is your wife if you have performed her marital rites, if not the whole context changes.
The second wife is adultery, if she has children for you, you must take responsibility for all children, for this is the Will of God! You dont just send her out, get her accommodation, speak to her and her family.
If you are sincere with God, he will direct your paths!

i am from a poygamous home and my parents are all practicing christians. This means i am a better authority on this matter than you can ever be.

Some of you don't know that you are speaking about a people's experience when you open your mouth widely to say all kinds of rubbish! HOW DEAR YOU CALL A PEOPLE'S MARRIAGE ADULTURY!!! You don't even realise the implication of the words you speak, and how much self esteem you can erode among a people who are even better christians than you!

If God hated polygamy too much; if he does not recognise the other wives as you claim, why then in the geneology of Jesus, the path Jesus came through, was not always from the first wife? I want you to answer that question, you hateful bigot who thinks he has the right to move about saying all kinds of rubbish insulting people, and erroding their self esteem?

And as for your "in the begining, God made them male and female..." heresy, why don't you go on ahead and tell me where the other people came from, those who Cain spoke of when he said "who ever sees me will kill me" and God told him he will place a mark on him (cain) so that anyone who sees him and hurts him, will recieve several times punishment. I cannot remember that passage very vividly anymore, its been a long time. But i am sure there is something like that in genesis 3 or there about.

So if truely God made only 2 people at the begining, where then did the other people came from?

It is the likes of you Jesus spoke of when he condemned the pharases and said, they pay more attention to their traditions (practices/laws) than they do the substance of faith.

Tell me what profound divine revelation the institution of polygamy violates? Tell me how it makes you a worse christian of you marry more than one? If you want to continue to pipe on the law which you guys made up for yourselves that polygamy is against divine arrangement, how then are you different from the muslim and the jew who thinks just by not eating pork, he is justified and fit for heaven?

Aufbauh:
Chai you guys can lie ehh!
They are no indigenous Hausas and Igbos in Benue state.

Also Agatu is not a different language from Idoma language.

pls come and help me educate these deluded IPOB people here. https://www.nairaland.com/3570551/oil-discovered-apa-benue-state/6#52805298

GreenandGold:
Actually, you're dumb.

Having a platform doesn't mean you have the missile on it.

There's no SIPRI record of Nigeria purchasing missiles for those platforms. Case close. As for your J7, it's now scrap metal that's why you have gone back to your trainer jet as your backbone plane.... America of West Africa...

why did you call Nigeria America of W. Africa?

In my opinion, i think Nigeria is Nigeria of Africa.

Airborne360:
no idea baba ,I am an Alpha jet pilot so lag is not my turf on a regular basis.

don't you fantasize flying other fighter jets? Whats up with our procurements of new platforms?

kikuyu1:
Btw all you admiring the Senegalese a question: have you considered basic Naij/Senegal interoperability? If Jammehs guys resisted how would Ecomog have communicated assuming their radios were compatible? Some years back French observers on a Russian ship had to talk via sat phones cause of this issue?!
Also language. How many Naij speak French? How many Senegalese speak English? Imagine if the SBS had to call the Senegalese for night time support if a fire fight broke out at the palace!?

the NN has a school for service men. At that school, the service men can learn anything including languages like French, German, Spanish, Mandarin etc. So the Nigerian Armed Forces do not lack men in that area.

GreenandGold:
Who would want to go to M7? Kenya? No ways.

a regional body.

now that Jammeh is gone, what do you think is in store for the other long serving leaders of Africa? Will the AU now have the gut to do the same in say, Zimbabwe, Angola, Rwanda, and Uganda?

Seems there is a lady in here today.

Hello, miss, how did you get interested in defsec? Rare for a civilian lady, i suppose you are.

malton:
Guy, who offend you nah.. Abi dem no dey follow you play again?!

this people's attitude is something else! Anyway, i don't need to argue anymore. Find someone who knows Benue state very well and ask him if Hausa, Igbo are natives to Benue.

laudate:
I no fit laugh again!

i believe you made this picture message. How did you do it?

what happened to this same topic in the front page?

dreamwords:
The same Wikipedia shows you different ethnic groups in benue, abi u no see am mr thomas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benue_State

that wikepeadia did not say Igbo are an indegene, get the difference! It also mentioned the Hausa people too, but are the Hausa Indegene? But the same wikipeadia mentioned them! I bet that in your Biafra fantacy, you would like to dissociate the Benue people from the Hausa so that it will be easier to claim the place into your Biafra fantacy.

All the other ethnic nationalities aside Tiv, Idoma, Igede and Etulo are all people who came from other places to make Benue their home. The same way some Igbo have made Sabongari on Kano their home and have made the whole of Lagos their home too. It does not mean that they have a hundred, Two hundred years heavy presence there.

There is a Hausa quaters in Otukpo very close to the GRA or the railway, i cannot remember very much now. I know they also have the same in MKD too. These people, like the Igbo only came there to live, which is PERFECTLY OK! So when you want to talk about the modern demography of Benue, you may mention the other people like the Hausa, Igbo etc, but they are not original people.

i think no one should quote me anymore and even if you do, i won't reply. It is not ok for us to fill here with hate. Its is far better to love than to hate, experience has taught me that!

caleboxylic:
I am 100% sure you are neither from igala nor benue.
If u are from benue, have u not heard about etenyi people( community in venue state)?

This land grabber, so there are no indigenous igbos in ado, okpoku and others around there?
Like I said before u are neither from benue nor kogi state.
My friend go and read the history of state creation. Is just like saying there are no indigeneous igbos in kogi or there are no indigeneous igalas in anambra.

and you didn't even care to tell us what local govt the mythical etenyi people are. And that word does not even sound Igbo to me, i may be wrong anyway.

There are only 4 indegemous people to Benue state. They are: the Tiv, Idoma Igede and Etulo with the Etulo people almost completely absorbed by the Tiv. I can disect the demographics of Benue people like this yet, some people believe i have no idea of the place!

In this thread, while some people mentioned only Ado, i was the only one that mentioned what it is sometimes known as in full, Ado-Igumale. I know this, yet some people still think i don't know zone C in Benue state.

vicenzo:
Don't speak confidently Of things you are not sure of.

There are indigenous Igbo speaking people in Benue:www.nairaland.com/2015869/agony-igbos-benue
In as much as Nigerians hate it, Ndiigbo are not SE people, they are a central Southern group, with indigenous populations in SE, Delta,Edo,Akwa Ibom, Cross Rivers, Rivers,Benue state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igede

according to your nairaland gossip thread, there are 1M Igbo indegene in Benue and according to the link i just provided, there are about 300,000 Igede in Benue. In essence, you are saying that this mythical Indegenous Ogbo in Benue are about 3 times larger than the Igede which is the third largest ethnic group in Benue state only behind Tiv and Idoma in that order! Pls tell me more lies!

And which one is south central again? And when you say SE, you mentioned states like Edo, Delta Rivers and also Benue? I don't even know why i'm discussing with you. I'm out!

Deatheater:
Now I know stupidity runs in ur family. http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/threads/weve-been-abandoned-igbos-in-benue-cry-out.82625/
Read and get informed illiterate

don't have your time and this is the last time i will respond as i have other things to do.

It is the same article you guys are posting to me from different sources. And who takes a website with the domain "villagesquare" seriously? Lol it seems the author of that article is hell bent on confusing himself.

Lastly, i will leave you to the egbe omo oduduwa to fix your expansionist tendencies, they seem to have the right anti dote to it.

martinz1:
Bro benue has igbos indigenous,
U can check them on facebook
ask dem some questions if u have any
Benue Igbo Development Union - BIDU
https://m.facebook.com/Benue-Igbo-Development-Union-BIDU-634072953328370/

and he quoted me a facebook page to back up his claim, shior!

Deal with it, there is no Indegenous Igbo on Benue! This is my last response to you.

I really wonder what gives these IPOBs here the hope that Benue people see themselves as one with the Igbo.

When it came to Political affiliation at the last election, did they identify with the SE and SS candidate? You guys in IPOB should just use your heads!

cheruv:
The imperial diet has seen your petitions and has sent experienced negotiators to the Ochi'doma on account of those LGs. The imperial army is on high alert,even though we don't hope to resort to hostilities. Its the wish of the people that the umuezekoha people who are kith with the Izi of the Eastern cultural zone are retrieved back into the imperial realm where they truly belong.


Signed
The imperial Diet

i wonder what the IPOB obsession is with the Idoma people. Is it because they share Christian and catholic heritage with you that you want to claim them by force? Mind you, not all Idoma are Christians. Those from Apa and Agatu and also Onyangede are mainly Muslims. What do you say about that?

I wonder why you are not laying claims to the Igala too as you do the Idoma. Is it because they have a larger proportion of muslims among them? If your land were close to those people in Taraba, you would have claimed them too?

ogwucheveekee:
LION of the tribe of idoma.. minority it is...

see me see trouble oo! Pls can you tell me what part of Idoma land or Benue as a whole Igbos are indegenous too. I just don't get the IPOB people anymore oo. You can help me out here.

cheruv:
Its not particularly encouraging to see misinformed folks barge in and throw tantrums like I seized their candy
You didn't tell us about the ones you asked when you were in the university.. Or are you still in secondary school?

my dear, the IPOB attitude is getting annoying already! Like i said: Benue like every other state in Nigeria is for all Nigerians to go and live and have families and even claim, have the right to vote elected officials of the state and LG and also have the right to be voted for. It is just the deliberate falsification of history and demographics that i just do not like, i mean, what is that for!

Igbos are welcome to come and live, work and do what ever they feel like, but why falsify history and original demographics?

The Idoma people are a distinct people, pure and simple! They have SOME similarities with Igbo, but that doesn't mean a thing further than the two people being neighbours! Igbos are not the only ones with whom the Idoma share words and names, are they? The Idoma also share words and names with the Hausa people too! If you people insist on claiming Idoma, what then do you want the Igala to do? I bet you don't know the two of them Idoma and Igala are almost like Brothers!

You guys should stop that attitude of yours, falsifying history everywhere. You tried it with the Yoruba, and now Idoma. Calm down!

And as for the class mates, that was way back in sec school.

Deatheater:
http://thenationonlineng.net/agony-igbos-benue/

https://www.nairaland.com/2797576/indigenous-igbos-benue-cry-out#


I no get time for children.

my dear, you are the child!

Over 300 Igbo villages in Benue? Who gave you that shiiiit to eat? I doubt any LG on Zone C has as much as 300 LGs, stop with your lies already! Do you know what 300 LGs is, that the so called Indegenes do not pull a political weight? The Utonkon people in Ado/Igumale are just a ward, yet they have a kind of represemtation at the LG leve, talkless of a mythical Igbo Indegens occupying a ficticious 300villages? Why don't you just stop the lies already!

Just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true! Ask anyone who knows Benue state very well, and he will tell you THAT THERE ARE NO IGBO INDEGENOUS TO BENUE STATE, GET IT INTO YOUR THICK SKULL!

Benue state, like every other state in nigeria is open to any nigerian to come and live happily and have a family. But that's no excuse to falsify history and original demographics.

You are a fraud!

explorer250:
your foolishness will always find you out. stop being sentimental but strive to learn new fact. emotions are no competitors of facts


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://thenationonlineng.net/agony-igbos-benue/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjYxMb927_RAhXCuhoKHSWmBNoQFggVMAQ&usg=AFQjCNG8NLcwFSVcA23XGb7tLjoxYCc6gg

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benue_State&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjYxMb927_RAhXCuhoKHSWmBNoQFggTMAM&usg=AFQjCNH2P21wZIL4J6sWIDkfBmmldmjXrA

People and culture
The state is populated by several ethnic groups: Tiv, Idoma , Igede, Etulo , Abakpa, Jukun, Hausa , Igbo , Akweya and Nyifon. The Tiv are the dominant ethnic group, occupying 14 local government areas with the Etulo and Jukun , while the Idoma and Igede occupy the remaining nine local government areas.

isn't it a onder that me, a foolish person as you call me, can think better than you, a 'wise' person?

The Only people NATIVE TO benue among those you mentioned are the Tiv, Etilo, Idoma and Igede, PERIOD! The Jukun only live in that area because they are people with a close cultural connection to rivers and anywater body. They are also good swimmers. The like of Igbo and Hausa are only living in Benue, never indegenes.

Yes, there is a Hausa quaters in Otukpo and i think MKD too, but they have them there as settlers, pure and simple! The Igbo presence in Benue is not different from the Igbo presence in Oyo, Ekiti, Sokoto and J'bourg, fact!

I still ask the same question again: WHAT LG IN BENUE ARE THE IGBO AND THE HAUSA INDEGENOUS TO? IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER IT, THEN SHAME UNTO YOU! YOU IPOBS NEED TO GROW SOME SORT OF SELF ESTEEM AND BECOME MORE CONFIDENT IN YOUR OWN SKIN AND IN YOUR OWN 41000sqkm. YOU DON'T HAVE TO OWN THIS WORLD TO BE A GREAT MAN, SO STOP CLAIMING WHATS NOT YOURS!

And next time, you should provide a more credible link to back up your point, not some hungry website which clearly confirms against your assertion that there are 14 LGs to the Tiv and 9LGs to Idoma and Igede. Out of those 9LGs in zone C, Obi and Oju are for the Igede.

Benue has 23LGs. If 14 goes to the Tiv and Etilo and 9 goes to Idoma and Igede, then tell me which other LG is left for your ficticious IPOB to claim!

Is that all you have to say? You can't even dispute my facts.

iSlayer:


RABID

iSlayer:


Take it easy

i don't so much patience for those who've got low self esteem. You only feel good about yourself if you can claim other people, what a shame!

I still repeat it that anyone who knows the Igbo village in Benue should point it out, failure to do that means you IPOB are just a bunch of deluded people, fact!

cheruv:
The Great imperial state of Igboland do felicitate with the principality of Idomaland on this milestone achieved.. We also hope that they use it in the betterment of their people.

NB: for those saying that apa is territory claimed by Igbos of Benue...they're not been truthful. The LGs occupied by Igbos in Benue are Ado, Ogbadibo, Okpokwu & Oju. Any claims based outside these LGs are false and should be treated with contempt!


Signed:
Imperial High Command

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LIAR THERE IS!

all those LGs you mentioned are 100percent occupied by Idoma people of different accent! The only part you may talk about is Ado and those people are Utonkon, THEY ARE NOT IGBO GET IT!!!
When i was in school, i had some of them as friends and i would ask them: "are you igbo?" and they would tell you no! They would tell you they are Utonkon. If you, an Igbo man hears their language, you will not be able to understand a single word they speak, fact!

Before you claim Utonkon, pls claim Ezaa people in Ebonyi first, a people who would not even accept it that they are Igbo!

can you see no one can come here and tell us the local govt, the village and the hamlet in Benue where the indegenous people are Igbo.

ekolina:
Idoma share some names with Igbo....like Agaba, Ada....

meaning what? They also share names with the Hausa/Arab. Names like: sule, Yakubu, Aladi (from the hausa Ladi), Danjuma, Ayishatu (from the Arabi Aisha), etc. And no, these names are names of Christian Idoma people. Just as when you go to Tangale land in Gombe state, they are mainly Christians and you see these Hausa/Arabic names too.

I HAVE TO PUT THIS IN CAPITAL LETTER BECAUSE I AM GETTING IRRITATED ALREADY!

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IN BENUE WHERE THE IDEGENOUS PEOPLE ARE IGBO. I WANT THE SMARTEST PERSON HERE TO TELL ME!

BiafranPound:
God bless your papa! That Afonja thinks he can drain us again?? NEVER! Niger delta is 50% igbo so if you don't like it , go and die! we know where 40% of Bayelsa oil comes from, but after secession, we'll handle that one! .. Besides am so IGBO too.. But am from Opobo Rivers state..ndewoo

there is no Igbo nationality indegenous to Benue, why can't you guys stop the claiming of other people's land?

Mention where in Benue Igbo are a nationality?

Deatheater:
Atleast u know that they are indigenous to benue. EZI

there is no part of Benue where Igbo is indegenous, fact!