enshy:

You tell us what you hope to gain by marrying many wives?

and not to forget, doing things are easier when you have a large home. Chores, etc. Someone is always available to take care of the kids. No wonder those of us from proper polygamous homes are more accomodating than you guys.

Although this is not just the benefit of polygamy, but of a large home including monogamy. And polygamy doesn not have to be unnecesarily large. How many women want to have more than 3kids today. You have 2 wives and they have 3kids each. That means it is a house hold of 9people. The man is working, the women own their businesses. They should be able to maintain that home.

enshy:

Im sorry your justification is vague, it seems like that of an theist!
The atheist also says that there is nothing the xtian enjoys or suffers that others dont.
Aside that, to claim that polygamy doesnt come with unique crisis is false. Everyone knows this save you who is bent on marrying multiple women...And what value does multiple wives add anyway?

"vague justification" about what? Care to explain further?

And yes, you guessed right, i am an atheist, with a little better than average understanding of christianity and christian teaching. I believe this should not be a problem for you to just get hooked on and say "oh, since you are not a christian, you definitely cannot understand things of the kingdom". That would rather be a cheap way out.

And yes, the atheist is right when he tells you there is nothing the christian enjoys or suffers that everyone else does not suffer or enjoy. It says: "my sun shines on the just and the unjust alike"--- Gospel of mathew.

Polygamy may have its unique challenges same was as monogamy, singlehood/celebacy/gaymarriage all have their own challenges. Which is why i said they are all equally valid! The other lady disagreed with me and probably believe i was talking nonsense. But when you see the unique challenges of monogamy, you don't use it to denounce monogamy. So why do that with polygamy? What all the hate and all the effort to demonise a thing you don't see yourself ever taking part in?

And as for "what value has it added...", the same value monogamy has added too. Emotional and psycological support, financial support etc. I know at this point, some people will come out and say "what are you saying?". But isn't it right in your very eyes Peter Paquare had an issue with his brothers over money? Have you forgotten that? The issue was so painful that it threatened to pull the family apart and his twin had to sing a song in tears reporting them to their late parents? Are they not monogamy?

Despite all the things i have said here, you will still stubbornly hold on to that idea of yours God hates polygamy. Wake up, brother!

MZLady39:



Hi,
I honestly didn't know that Christians and Africans of this generation don't practice polygamy...cause

1. I was neither raised nor have ever lived in Nigeria.
2. I've heard many current stories of polygamy occurring.

There are always exceptions to the rule..which I'm glad that you grew up without any lasting effects...but that has not been the case overall from what I've read.

Yes I don't want it and yes I won't do it...but that's irrelevant at the moment.
I don't have to be considering polygamy in order to comment on it. It's just something that I don't know much about..although the Mormon religion (based in Utah, USA) still practices it today.

....polygamy is as valid as monogamy, and monogamy is as valid as singlehood/celibacy. Which everone you choose is pleasant in the sight of the christian God. Bye!
I don't quite agree with the statement....

But you don't have to get so belligerent about the topic. Sir/madame if you want to do it...then by all means...go ahead. And don't "drop" your pen, just place it down nicely.
It's not a bad thing to have a sensible discussion without abusing an inanimate object...
Take care

it is not the exception. I remember telling you that many polygamous homes i know are like mine.

Also, you should take a survey before you know what is majority and what is not. You can also come to the other thread i invited enshy to so that we could have a better debate upon it.

All the issues you hear exists in polygamy, exists in monogamy too in equal or even far greater measure.

https://www.nairaland.com/3689844/polygamy-not-sin-christianity#54723317
@enshy you can come here and lets talk.

KingGBsky:
With all this write up and study you will end up confusing yourself by yourself.
The Word Of God is not a story book to be understood by unbelievers.
This is the reason why muslims still contradict themselves till this present age.
You need The Holy Spirit to understand the Word Of God for without Him, you reading a mere book that will lead you to total confusion into condemnation.

and like the guy above me said, you guys like coming out with that last part just to kill of the discussion when you've run out of points.

Lets agree that the holy spirit is needed to understand everything he or anyone wrote here. Now please tell us what exactly is the heresy in all he has stated using the bible as a proof? What did he get theologically or by revelation, wrong in all he or anyone here wrote above? If you can point it out, then i will give it to you; but if you can't, then i will ask that you may have to review how you use that last part about the need for the holyspirit to understand the scriptures when other people's point is begining to prove harder for you.

enshy:

Why would a man want to marry many wives yet still pursuing concubines outside?
What is he looking for if not sex?
Those days, we heard it was for farm work...Are there farms in cities too?
My issue is the craze for sex, sex and sex as if thats all some men gain from women.
Women are blessed with much more!

see you forming feminmist. The last time i checked, Polygamy does not make a man more promiscuous than monogamy does. If a man is promiscuous, then he is, peroid! There are men who go into monogamy just for the sex too, what do you call that? At least, Paul alluded to it that "...for the sake of the flesh, get marry one". And by this, he didn't mean a unity, one. For the number of wives one could marry was not the issue, but the issue was about dedication to the work of God. Some were argueing that it is better not to be married since getting married can hinder the work of God. So he wrote a letter to them telling them, he would have loved it if all were like him and could hold themselves, but instead of burning with passion, just get married.

Also, was sex the reason Abraham, Jacob, Lamech, David, Solomon etc took another wife? You people love holding on stubbornly to preconcentions and preconvictions and you will twist which ever scripture available to you just to get your way.

Here is a part of the bible where it was recorded that a man, Lamech, had two wives and no kind of ill feeling, jealousy etc was recorded among them, instead, only good things were said about their children; that they became the ancestors of those who raised livestock and lived in tents, and also played music. Such was the height of their achievement.

Lamech had two wives,
Adah and Zillah. Adah gave birth to
Jabal, who was the ancestor of those
who raise livestock and live in tents.
His brother was Jubal, the ancestor
of all musicians who play the harp
and the flute. Zillah gave birth to
Tubal Cain, who made all kinds of
tools out of bronze and iron. The
sister of Tubal Cain was Naamah.

This is Gensis 4: 19-22

adepeter26:

Watch out and see how he uses biblical verses to support his claims....

i wonder how on earth he is going to rewrite the bible and include it in one of the things Jesus said can let you go into heaven or not when he said: "when i was hungry, what did you do? When i was thristy what did you do? When i was sick and in prison, what did you do?...if you did something,...ehen, come into the home of my father".

adepeter26:
Where is enshy sef...

Food don done

the guy was terrible in his other thread. I just no get him time then na wetin make wey i just leave am.

I just hope he can come down here and read all these elaborate write up from an enlighetend mind.

Those who feel a man has to make what they call resitution by sending his second wife and her children away should just please sit down and listen to that Bulshiiit again and tell me if they would be very proud of themselves making such a shameful statement. These people do not even have the idea that they are talking about a person's mother when they openly and shamelessly refer to her as the "strange" woman.

To make restitution, one has to return that which is not his. So please tell me: if you think a man took another man's wife by marrying a single woman, then i would ask you to tell me the name of that mythical man from whom the other man took a his wife.

For Paul to make the statement "a bishop should be husband of one woman", it means that it was not uncommon that the christians at the time were polygamous. If a so called restitution is suppose to be made now that they are believers, why didn't Paul mention it anywhere in the Bible? Why didn't Jesus, or any of the other apostles? You all keep making man made laws and by that, you bring pain to other people by distroying their homes, and the sad thing is: they all feel ok doing that.

The scripture in which Paul told Timothy that a Bishop should be husband of one wife does not, in anyway, condemn Polygamy.

The issue Paul was addressing at the time was the issue of duty. Remember he said to the corinthians that he would like them to be like him, a celibate who is dedicated to the work of God and can travel as he likes. For Paul, getting married would have made it more difficult for him to carry out the work God like he would have wanted to (DUTY), the same thing Catholic priests do today.

And now that he is talking about an office, the office of a Bishop, that would need so much time and dedication, he instructed that the person that should fill up that position, should be the husband of one wife, so that there would be more time and less pressure to do the Duty of a Bishop, caring for the flock. He was never condemning polygamy like many polygamy haters in the church would love to believe.

flyover30:
not speaking from d biblical perspective, but I tink one wife saves u a lot of headache. I swear

staying without a woman at all, would also save you even more trouble, i guess.

Good write up!

To add a few things: Cain Killed Abel in what is a gruesome premeditated murder of the first degree. Guess what? There were brothers born of parents in monogamy! That's hate and jealousy at play, even higher than that which you find in some polygamies.

Essau wanted to kill Jacob, his twin brother! They were born of parent in exclusive monogamy. If not because he, Jacob, ran away, there would have been another tragedy.

The bottom line, and like the op said, hate, jealousy, etc, is not a polygamy problem, but a problem many people have to look for ways to deal with.

Before you tell me it is more common among polygamy, i will have to tell you that you should remember you've not taken a survey to know this, hence, you should just stop and don't say what you do not know.

ojuu4u:

also Nigerian women need proper orientation that their husband need to be adored and respected and not to be competed with, Nigerian wife must obey and respect their husbands much more than their pastors/imams

una too dey fall person hand. Why are you all obsessed with women competing with you? If a lady is not respecting you based on fair rules, dump her!

It is good she walked away. No one man or woman should ever take any kind of abuse in a relationship. It takes away ones self esteem before it kills you finally.

And also men, don't take any kind of insults from your wife or any kind of disrespect from her, when she does that, dump her sorry arrss as soon as posible!

Odunayaw:
Its very fishy
Me think these guys wantu checkmate the SADR and on d way to accomplishing that use ECoWAS

if it were up to me, I would send them a NO WAY wearing an agbada

should Nigeria be worried, especially when they have a decent airforce?

guys, what do you all think about Morrocco joining ECOWAS? What are the motives? What prospects does it hold in terms of security, economy, etc? Would it be a game changer in the order of things?

MZLady39:


I, honestly, don't know how the men and women involved in it, do it?
I see no happiness but rather jealousy, competition, strife, diseases, emotional problems for the children....etc.

your puzzlement is a genuine one. But i guarantee you that it exists. I know that no matter how hard i explain to you, you still wouldn't change your stance knowing fully well that christians and Africans our generation have lost all idea of polygamy. But i can assure you that i am from polygamous home and we do not have those issues you are concerned about. The many other polygamous homes i know are like mine too.

If you don't want it, then don't do it! Its that's simple! I can defend you in court if any man wants to ride you and bring another woman you don't consent to.

Lastly, and i am going to drop my pen here: polygamy is as valid as monogamy, and monogamy is as valid as singlehood/celibacy. Which everone you choose is pleasant in the sight of the christian God. Bye!

enshy:
God detests Polygamy...Let all in the sin repent now for the consequences are grave on earth and heaven.
Read Matt 19:8-9..
God commanded Abraham to send away all his concubines and spent the rest of his life with Sarah. After Sarah's death, Abraham had no wife so he remarried..Still, the enmity between the two most populous religion was by Abrahams polygamy.
Isaac married just one wife seeing the evil in his fathers decisions.
Jacob got a second wife out of deceit..After Gods encounter of changing his name, the second wife died, all the concubines were sent away and Jacob lived with Leah ever after.
God had commanded kings not to have multiple wives, Saul in his first disobedience got several wives but God later rejected him..
David was severely punished as all his wives were publicly raped, he later kept his concubines in a place as they lived in widowhood forever as David never slept with them again. He later spent time with his first wife and lost all sex appetites.
Solomon lost Gods relationship thru idolatry by his multiple wives...
You see no seer, judge, prophet, apostle marries more than one wife.
Paul at a place said church leaders to be appointed must not be in polygamy.
All accounts of Polygamy in scriptures ended in bitterness.
In Pauls voice 'if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such customs, neither the church of God'

so its no longer "insatiable desire for sex", but now "insatiable desire for multiple wives". Good you learnt something from the education i provided in the other thread. That means my effort wasn't a waste.

I am not a professional debater. I have been warned several times by those who know me not to engage in fruitless arguement. But i encourage you to seek your own truth; "seek and you shall find; knock and the door will be opened". Enjoy your sincere quest for knowledge and wisdom. I drop my pen here.

@enshy

adam had a monogamous family, and his children killed eachother. Isaac had only one wife, yet, one would have killed the other if not because the other ran away! So we have seen cases of monogamies fail before too, but no, you arr not going to condemn monogamy even though some like i have mentioned, ended badly. My home have succeeded, and no amout of hate from bigots can change anything!

@enshy ok, i take that back when i said he had sex with a 13 year old girl. I just confirmed in 1kings 1:1. But the other things i have said, stand. You are free to correct where you can prove is wrong.

enshy:

Read Matt 19:8-9! Read your Bible well, Abraham sent away all his strange wives and concubines, Isaac had just one wife, Jacob got a second wife out of deceit but after Jacobs encounter with God she died and Jacob enjoyed his first wife, Leah.
God had commanded that Kings shouldnt have multiple wives, Saul had many wives but was later rejected by God.
David paid dearly for his as all his wives were publicly raped and later put all his concubines away and never slept with them again..Solomon disobeyed God totally and God punished him...None of the Seers, Prophets, Judges, Apostles in the N.T went into Polygamy.
Paul commanded that those that had gone into Polygamy shouldnt be made leaders in Church.
My dear, polygamy is an insatiable quest for sex, sex and sex alone from a lust filled...God hates it and punishes his 'children' that go into it.
See no one went into Polygamy in the Bible without a bad ending! Abrahams polygamy led to the hatred btw the two most populous religion today, see the killings and cruelty!
A Believer cant be ruled by His appetites! Repent and run to Jesus, he will save you!
N.B - Bible is an unbiased book that gives full account of the success and deep failings of Gods children so we can learn from them.

all lies and deliberate manipulation of scripture to fulfil your own end.

Care to show me where God COMMANDED the kings not to marry many wives? I am really looking forward to it.

And when Jacob's second wife died, did he also put aside his concubines too, the ones with whom we had some of his children?

My dear, stop telling lies about the bible as if we can't go into the bible and confirm that you are lying! God did not reject Saul because he too many wives, but because he disobeyed God due to his greed, and he thought he could also bribe God and so God told him through Samuel that "Obedience is better than sacrifice". You don't talk like it is only you that have access to the bible.

David did not pay for marrying many wives, for polygamy NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD, stop the lies already! Yes, his wife was raped in public, not because he married many, but because God pronounced judgement on him when he TOOK ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE, AND NOT JUST THAT, HE HAD THE MAN PUT TO DEATH, A HUMBLE AND LOYAL MAN. stop the lies already! And yes, even in his old age, David still had sex with another concubine confirming that he is what you would call today a pedophile. Yes, you heard me right. When he was old and weak, his people told him: "why don't we bring a young girl (13 years old) so she could keep you warm?" i am going to give the quotation here later.

As for Solomon, he also didn't get punished because he many many wives. He got punished because he took wives from other nation who would eventually drag him to other gods, a thing detested by God. If he had stuck to the women of israel, he probably wouldn't have been punished.

The bible never said so much about the pesonal lives of the apostles, so there is no way for you to know that. Polygamy was not an issue all through the bible.

And when Paul talked to Timothy, polygamy was not the issue, for duty was! And paul was concerned about dedication that's why he did not encourage the men with large homes to take to church office.

Now you tell me: do you think that the kind of person Paul was, especially someone passionate about the Gospel, would see an i don't care attitude from monogamous families to ards the things of God, and if there is a polygamous family showing high level of dedication, he is not going to give them even the office of a bishop?

And no, Polygamy is not an insatiable quest for sex, sex and sex alone, for Abraham did not take another lady because he had an insatiable desire for sex. Jacob did not take another wife because he had an insatiable desire for sex. And even after marrying two wives, he still did not take the concubines offered him by his wives because he wanted sex. So stop with all the lies trying to paint Polygamy in a bad light. You should know you are hurting real people, and you are puting your man-made laws above love itself. Jesus spoke to the jews when they came up to him and questioned him why he must heal someone on a sabbath. (the law was: don't work on a sabbath). To show to you that these people valued law more than the essence of the law itself, sabbath, Jesus asked them that which one of them would his child fall into the well on a sabbath, and he won't go into it to bring out the child?

My dear, stop placing your man made laws, which have no significance in the realm of the spirit, above the core of the christianity, faith, hope and LOVE!

enshy:

Pls read my posts well.
The fruits of polygamy are not in sin...The polygamist is the one in disobedience and has to repent. The Holy Spirit cant lead you outside scriptures...Polygamy is sinful! Let all who want to please the Lord Jesus repent and restitute immediately but remember all the children must be taken care of!
May God keep revealing His Truth to us.

i read your post very well and i understood it completely. And i did not say you said the products are a sin. I said: "you will not agree that the house of Isreal and Jesus are a product of sin", since you believe polygamy is a sin.

I am never going to convince you, but i am also not going to give you monopoly of the airwaves so you don't do damage to people's self esteem.

Mention where polygamy is recorded in the bible as a sin, go on ahead!

And how is polygamy sexual immorality? Are you saying the ancestory of Jesus was immoral? And the very foundation of the house through which God was going to call the world to himself, Isreal, is immoral?

iHarrie:
Happy Sunday,
As a christian, one who is born-again, and who was married to two wives, what you need to do is to hold on to your first wife and settle the second wife and send her home.
And if you have sent your first wife away you must bring her back, marriage is between a man and a woman, marriage is for better for worse, in sickness and in health, until death do you part.

And if death have not separated you, you have no right to separate yourself by divorcing or sending her away and marrying a new wife.. If you continue in that second marriage, that is adultery, (Matt 19:9) and we both know where adultery leads. (Hebrews 13:4)..

I have not spoken to condemn anyone but to bring to you the knowledge of the truth that many might be set free and do the necessary restitution.
Thanks

iHarrie:
Happy Sunday,
As a christian, one who is born-again, and who was married to two wives, what you need to do is to hold on to your first wife and settle the second wife and send her home.
And if you have sent your first wife away you must bring her back, marriage is between a man and a woman, marriage is for better for worse, in sickness and in health, until death do you part.

And if death have not separated you, you have no right to separate yourself by divorcing or sending her away and marrying a new wife.. If you continue in that second marriage, that is adultery, (Matt 19:9) and we both know where adultery leads. (Hebrews 13:4)..

I have not spoken to condemn anyone but to bring to you the knowledge of the truth that many might be set free and do the necessary restitution.
Thanks

will you also tell a man who turns to the lord in repentance to rewind time and go replace all the meats he stole from his mum's pot? Which one is easier? Tell him to send away his wife who now has children for him, and the sending away could distabilize a probably exemplary family, or tell a man to rewind time to replace all the meat he stole from his mum's pot?

If you are not going to tell the man to return the meats he stole, why tell the man who has more than one wife to send one of his wives away?

Why should doctrine be more important than human lives/happiness ad unity?

Col 2:13-14 "he forgave us our sins and did away with them all its binding rules...". This means you can't win your salvation for yourself, and the cross should a be a free gift.

Charly68:
Allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you my Brother because issue like this is very sensitive .Looking at it from prophetic eyes,Jacob made mistake but God converted his mistakes to miracle..The twelve tribes of Israel came from polygamy relationship .How about that too?

yet, the likes of @enshy believe polygamy is a sin but he will definitely refuse to say the the twelve tribes of Israel and Jesus himself, who did not come from all first wives, are a product of sin.

Roseey0:
There is no right or wrong here.

If you paid their bride price, u must remain married to both.
Paul only advised one man to one woman to reduce commotion associated with polygamy in the early church.

in the first place, he never adviced one man one wife. The only part he appeared to have said so was when he said: "for the sake of the flesh, marry one". So you can see here that he wasn't even talking about polygamy here, rather he was responding to an issue raised in the corinthians church about celibacy (singleness). And he also wasn't reducing it to just one, but he is advicing to get married. I'm sure you understand it now?

enshy:

In the first place, if you can call your fellow an idiot for no reason and you say no apologies as against Gods commands, then you can do anything against His commands to suit yourself. A believer wouldnt call a fellow an idiot! Pleasing God isnt your passion yet so you wouldnt understand the sinfulness of polygamy even if I keep explaining.
I pray God reveals the truth to you but may it be known today to all that Polygamy is a sin, let all repent and turn to God..Jesus is coming and must not meet you in adultery...God help us all and keep us till his coming..

paul also 'insulted' a people. "...who has bewitched you"

stephen said to the elders who confronted him: "you stiff naked people, uncircumcised humans..." so what's your point.

But i withdraw the insult and tender an apology anyway. i am sure any right thinking person can understand my emotion.

Btruth:
You are right Sjoy. Well, we are trying to bring all the kids to understanding the past now. And the Lord is taking all the glory already. Just sight this examples for others to learn from it. Because, here we are talking about a man with 2 wives, what do we now say about a converted Muslim man with 4 wives and truly turn a born again christian. And using his influence on his families to bring all of them back to Christ? Do we now stand to judge him?

there is someone in the front page who posted a verse in the gospel where jesus rebuked the jews for going far and wide to win converts only to yoke them with complex teaching of men.

When a man repents, he is not to divorce his wives. If he tries to do it, then he is trying to win hois own salvation and rejecting the grace of God that has won him salvation for free.

Are you going to tell the one who wrote waec to return his certificate because he cheated to get it? Well, if you will tell him that, can you also tell him to go back in time and replace all the meat he stole from his mother's pot? You guys are begining to diviate from the gospel you recieved and are begining take man made teachings as superior to God's.

Col 2: 13-14. "...he forgave you your sins and did away with it along side its binding rules". The "binding rules" refer to the punishment and so called restitution you are to make.

You guys goofed with tearing an innocent family apart. You should take responsibility!!!!

Sjoy:
what a pity, the church tried to follow th bible, which is right. The church are to bring the two wivies and d children to undrstand what d man agreed to do(restitution), which should bring unity, love among the children and d wivies but its so unfotunate that it turned out d other way.

are you going to return your waec certificate too, when you get born again and call it restitution because you cheated to get it? If you you do that, i want you to know that the cross is of no importance to you for you are trying to win your salvation all by yourself, and not trusting the grace of God that have won it for you as a gift.

Why don't you tell him to rewind time so that all meat he stole from his mother's pot can be returned.

enshy:

Thank you much.
I see you are well learned in scriptures. Didnt you also read about the killings of the disobedient? Have you copied that also? Do you still stone people for fornication and adultery? Solomon married 700, will you copy this also?
My brother dont be deceived, Polygamy is unscriptural! God detests it! Your experience doesnt disannul Gods words. However, the fruits of polygamy are not involved in the sin! Anyone in the sin should repent now for God made just one Eve for Adam and commanded 'a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife' not wives, as in one.. Even morally, I doubt if its proper...One man One woman is fair enough! Dont be offended, the truth is sometimes better but must still be told.

you are an idiott, and no apology for that!

If God made ONLY Adam and Eve at the begining, who then are those people Cain and God spoke about when God was pronouncing punish ment on him for killing his brother and he was complain of the severity of the punishment? He said: "anyone who sees me will kill me..." and God said: "anyone who does that, will recieve several times your punishment". So who were the "anyone" the both of them spoke of? Later in that chapter, they said "and cain knew his wife". Are you going to tell me he married his own sister? Why don't you stop your bulshit and stop spreading hate and dividing people, people who are better christians than you!

You say God detests it. Why don't you just open the bible and tell where it was spelt out that way? If God detests it, why then did Jesus not come through all the first wives? If God detests it like you claim, why then don't you have the confidence to classify it as a sin and can take someone to hell? And what spiritual revelation does polygamy violate? Your God has not classified polygamy a sin, stop playing assistant God and helping him to make laws when you are just a mere mortal!

And before i forget, yes, the bible said "...cleave to his wife" and not "wives". But that's because when a man gets married to more than one, they are not getting into a trinity or a 'fournity'. Each wife is his wife, whole and entire. He is their husbands each, whole and entire. So yes, that passage applies to polygamy too.

Sjoy:
what a pity, the church tried to follow th bible, which is right. The church are to bring the two wivies and d children to undrstand what d man agreed to do(restitution), which should bring unity, love among the children and d wivies but its so unfotunate that it turned out d other way.

my dear, will just shut up already! You don't even know you are talking about human lives here and real human experience! You say the church is doing the right thing? Who taught you to put doctrine ahead of family values and unity? Who taught you that the church and its warped belief is better than the hapiness of a people?

Is your likes not the people Jesus talked about when he said " these people value their traditions more ..."?