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One last thing. There are like 3 or 4 AA guys who posted in this thread. How many of you were raised in a proper household where your father was present? Serious question.

Even if you don't answer, y'all know deep down inside the 2 out of 3 of y'all grew up without a father figure.

2 out of 3 of y'all has been, or will be, in contact with the judicial system in your lifetime

And 1 out of 3 will most likely suffer from police brutality at some point.

These are the real problems that you guys face. What some random Somalis think of you should be the least of your concerns.

Black lives matter to me, which is why I'm trying to provide my fatherless AA brethren with some fatherly advice.. U IZ SUMBADEH! WE WUZ KANGZ!

Lmao @ all the butt-hurt AA's in this thread

https://67.media.tumblr.com/c29d0f1bd3cf96e28837fbff47a8711f/tumblr_nxjvhp2l4G1rfd7lko1_500.gif

Yeah there are some promiscuous Somali women out there. Shocking, I know

But let's not pretend like most prostitutes in America aren't AA and that your women aren't known for being cheap.

I've never had issues attracting your women even though I'm not even into them. I'm not into weaves, fake nails and a nasty attitude.

Most of them are broken and need male comfort and I swear it doesn't take much to get with these thirsty AA broads. Especially if you got "dat good hurr" and a decent job


Look at y'all bragging about bagging some random Somali hoes like it's a prize lol. You guys are too dumb to even realise the underlying implications of your posts. The only reason why that video has shock value is because seeing Somali women in that state is not that common. In fact, the dude who posted it is himself a Somali and he did it to expose them. If this was the norm, there would be no reason to "expose" anything.

However, I could be posting thousands of degrading videos about your women from ghetto fight videos to porn and nobody would bat an eyelid because that crap is not that uncommon. You punks probably even jerk off to videos of your women being degraded by all types of dudes. Pathetic.

Aside from the extreme degradation that your women suffer in the porn and prostitution industries, there's actually a new trend on social media of black women throwing themselves at the feet of white men, while degrading their own men. I'm sure y'all noticed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH0bmKGg9wU

This black American dude knows what's up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Ni1_OtWpg

In all honesty, I'm not even sure why you guys want to take it there. Somalis are generally known for being conservative, black Americans are generally known for being promiscuous. Of course there are exception to every rule, but you people are known for sleeping around with anything that moves. Half of you don't even know who fathered you. You're lucky that I'm an upright dude, because if I was a troll I'd be posting things that are far worse than some dumb chicks twerking.

But I'm a good guy.. I swear I'm decent

Keep obsessing over what some obscure group of people, who doesn't even number 200K in America, thinks of you, you insecure freaks.

Meanwhile, white cops are gunning y'all down like wildlife.. BLACK LIVES MATTER!

Last post I promise

Sure you could! But could you post any AA women twerking for somali guys as those girls were doing for those Jamaicans? grin

Somali guys are smashing AA chicks left and right dude. Some are even wifing them and making them into honourable wives, when many of their own men treat them like hoes and leave them for foreign women. You really have no clue. I even told you that my own uncles married some of your women. Truth is though, that the vast majority of us men are not into dating outside our group. I've never had problems attracting foreign women, whether white or black, but I've chosen to stick with my own and I'm currently engaged to an amazing Somali woman. I don't go thirsting after foreign women like you, and clearly those Jamaicans in that video, do. I've heard from countless Somali women that they're tired of being approached by thirsty AA men who will badmouth their own sisters in the process. I'm sure that Enlightened has had similar experiences. The very fact that you see these women, who were twerkin' in that video, as some sort of prize says a lot about your mentality lol. I couldn't care less about them and I'm not even from the same country as them.

Why am I supposed to care about a bunch of wild girls in Toronto? I understand that your ethnic pride was hurt by my comments but you're not being rational.

Also, go back and check my history. I'm not known for bashing any group of people and mainly registered here to combat the likes of Ajuraan/Lancer. But I'm still Somali so if I see someone blatantly vomiting all over my people because one woman said that she is not into your men, then I will say something back. I only made a couple of posts attacking your people. You and supper wrote essays about why AA's are "superior" to Somalis in every way.

I haven't even addressed most of the BS that you guys posted because I honestly have nothing to prove to you guys. The future will tell whether my predictions were true or false and at the end of the day, you're just some insecure guys on a random forum who got butt-hurt by some comments lol. Life will go on.

It's ironic how you came here because you were hurt by Enlightened's negative opinion of your men, yet you ended up confirming every negative stereotype that she has about you guys. You come off as extremely insecure, childish and emotionally unstable.

Funny thing is I was on your side and even argued with her about her negative impressions. But I have to say that, hands down, she won this argument and you two fools ended up shooting yourselves in the foot.

If you think that Somalis are the only Africans who think negatively of you people, you're in for a very rude awakening. I've seen Nigerians, Ugandans, Habeshas (Ethiopians and Eritreans), Kenyans etc going in on your people. Plus there are just as many Somalis who admire your culture and are drawn to it as there are those who think negatively of it, yet your insecurity in your own identity causes you to fixate on anyone who says something negative.

You admit that you didn't even know we existed until you learned about us through the internet. Why are you losing sleep over what we might/might not think of you? It's sad. You and that supper loser have developed some weird obsession and I've seen you post on Somali forums. Move on and stop dedicating so much of your time to a group of people who, at the end of the day, should not even matter to you. How does it effect you what some random Somali people think of you?

As for my apology, I still mean it. Making fun of poverty, the crack epidemic, mass incarceration etc was pretty low and I should not have stooped to the level of you and supper just to prove a point.

The only one who has remained classy throughout this mess is Enlightened, yet she's received all types of verbal abuse from you two for simply having a preference. You're a bunch of pathetic, classless losers for abusing a woman like that and like I said, this only reflects poorly on your people and kind of proves her right for not wanting to get involved with you.

Enlightened, xaal qaado. You were absolutely right!

EnlightenedSoul:
And, so what? You're way off track. You think you're rubbing shoulders, but he's told us on this very thread, a few pages back, that there are White and Black Americans in his own extended family. If I remember correctly, he's spoken about Caribbean men as well. Why are you surprised to find that just as there are some of us who do date Caribbean/Black Americans, there are those of us who don't? Why does it matter to you so much? Why are you this salty?

He's being irrational and trying to hurt my feelings as if I care about what some random women in Toronto are up to.

I got plenty of non-Somalis in my family including AA women. One of my closest cousins has a Christian AA mother.

Anyways walaal, I'm out of this thread. You should probably just let them have the last word lol.

At the end of the day, we know who we are and where we stand. Trolling is not going to effect us.

AkataGuy:
@SomeLoser

Somali women seem to be getting along just fine with those Jamaican fellows out in Toronto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTDiVXDdov8

OK now you're clutching at straws bruh lmao!

You don't want to play this tit for tat. I can post AA hoes all day. You know this.

Anyways, I haven't read any of your latest post as I don't want to continue this mess. If I read that shit, I'll probably get the urge to come back at you and then this crap will never end.

You've said what you wanted to say. I'll let you have the last word.

It's Ramadan, I'm a practising Muslim and making fun of other people's struggles is contrary to the values that I was raised upon. I have no hate in my heart for your people as God is my witness, but you and I both know that it's natural to get defensive when your people are getting insulted. I didn't start this mess. I only replied in kind.

It's pretty low to make fun of people who are going through hardships just to win some dumb argument online and I for one do apologise to anyone who's feelings I hurt with my insensitive, degrading posts.

I'm not coming back to check this thread so anyone who wants to get in touch with me can just send me a PM and we can continue our conversation there.

Salaam /peace

AkataGuy:
I apologize to myself for ever attempting apologize to the Somali who clearly desrved every bit of it

It's your boy supper who started this mess.

These people are literally being shot in the streets like stray dogs, their women are prostituting themselves in the streets for some crack and their men are getting locked up in record numbers. Their only defense seems to be "but..but.. Somali". It's pitiful.

This supper dude is very passionate and has developed some type of obsession with Somali people. He's even signed up to a bunch of somali forums where he spews the same BS. Nigga probably doesn't even have a job judging by all the time he devotes to following us around.. This guy is very obsessed.

What's funny is that I'm absolutely, positively sure that I've achieved more in my short time here as a first generation Somali than these two losers combined.

EnlightenedSoul:
@ Somguy

I'd still say isska daii if you can manage it, walaal. If only as therapy. *Dadkaan na3aayb aa lagu waraabai, for sure, and that all has to go somewhere. *Gabada xitaa was actually bullied if you check. There has to be some type of exit for that type of experience as well. If anyone knows *beynta ilaa imaaden or iyaaga naftodaa waxaa ka qaldaan, it's them, and 1000% intimately, so no sense in pointing it out (unless you really want to do all that *3eey la'aan, which I highly doubt the usefulness of, and even distrust my own ability to tow that personal line at this juncture w/o shade, hence my restraint). That's my own opinion of this, anyway.


*Bear with me on the spelling, my Somali sucks, really. I hope you'll be able to understand it.

I don't take them seriously. They clearly have some type of inferiority complex and need our approval lol. Why do they even care what a few Somalis think of them? I honestly couldn't care less what some ignoramus thinks of my people. These people are frothing at the mouth like a pack of wild dogs because one somali trolls keeps karbaashing them when all they have to do is ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

And I keep coming back to this point: Somalis came to the US in large numbers in the late 90's and the community continues to be replenished with a steady influx of new refugees. We shouldn't even be in the same conversation as these people. They should be competing with the Mexicans and other communities who are outperforming them on every level. Give us one generation and we will have outperformed them as well. They're measuring themselves against an obscure refugee community instead of more established communities. They'll remain losers because of this.

What's next, AA's vs Burmese refugees?

This is literally an argument that they can't win.

Anaguu dadkiisa noo xayeysiinayaa as if we don't know what they're all about. That "we wuz kangz" crap won't fly here..

Ajuran is a self-hating Bantu. He has a sick obsession with Bantus and proving his "superiority".

Akata, is this you?:

https://www.nairaland.com/292584/akata-non-sense-funny-give-it

Lmao, these AA's got mad.

Somalia has thousands of years worth of history. I will trade the history of my people for hip-hop music and a few notable figures who don't even represent your community any day of the week.

I'll take our ancient trade centres, seafaring people and empires. Heck, the Ajuraan empire alone should be enough to shut you up lol. So you can keep the nay-nay, the Quan etc..

20 years of civil war in the South does not define us as a people no more than the two world wars define Europeans as a people. Peace will eventually come in the south, but you people will still remain an oppressed minority in the US after all these years.

Akata, the fact that you're in the same conversation as a relatively small group of refugees who arrived in the late 90's and still continue to arrive, after you've had hundreds of years in "the wealthiest country on earth" says a lot lol. Who will you compete against next? The Nepalese community?

Meanwhile the Latinos are laughing at your ass. Stop worrying about Somalis and worry about not getting murdered by the popo as you drive home from work. Don't let these trolls fool you, most of us actually empathize with you. I know I did until I saw all this hate you guys have towards us. You're hiding behind these trolls as an excuse but the truth is your pathetic ego won't accept a cocky African "booty scratcher" who thinks that he is better than you so you got this strong urge to "put us in our place".

You can't say anything about the Nigerians who bash you in these very forums so you vent your anger out on Somalis instead.

Somalis will most likely have outpaced you within the next decade or so just like every other group has done in the past. Worry about educating your people instead of what a group of obscure people from from a war-torn country thinks of you. It shouldn't matter.

What's funny is that everything that you say about Somalis can be said about your people X 10.

PS. Somalis aren't the only Africans who have an unfavorable opinion of you guys. Search this forum and other African forums. Ask your Ethiopian friends why some of them refer to your people as "Bariah". The only difference is that we got these loud ass trolls who have nothing better to do than wind y'all up and you idiots take the bait every time and go off on Somalis as if these trolls represent us.

Ajuran:
I have not used the name Lancer. I have used Somalia1,2,3,4 etc. Ajuran, Axum.

Stop lying. Your posts are identical and you both claim to be atheists. It's all you.

Plus you both made the exact same joke about Ramadan and Muslims being dizzy.

Just admit it najisyahow

Rivertemz:
Every nationality can have some negative to say to others, but for some reason only Somali trolls picked nairaland to flaunt their hate and deciet

It's one troll. And it's literally the same guy who keeps posting everywhere. Ajuran/Lancer etc.

He loves to push your buttons. Most Somalis just keep to themselves and stay in their own forums.

You're an insecure little brat. If you were a 'proud Somali" you wouldn't feel the need to antagonise people. People who are secure in themselves and proud of their heritage do not need to constantly brag or seek the validation of others.

You come off as extremely insecure and bitter. Those aren't the traits of people who are "superior".

Most of these people didn't know about Somalis before and now, thanks to you, they despise Somalis and think very lowly of them. Not only them, but anyone who finds this page through Google. You make Somalis look like a bunch of primitive, insecure, pathetic people. This is your legacy after years of trolling.

EnlightenedSoul:
Lol @ shaqo la'aan.

IDK, man, people are interesting. There was no point in offense. Well, you took the bait, and here now are the beginnings of a race war, of the type our resident troll would illicit. Cue next: crack babies and gangbangers vs drought babies and Alshabab.

Nah I won't stoop that low. I'm out of this thread. Said everything that I needed to say.

EnlightenedSoul:
What happened to zen? You gotta leave people to their thoughts, however flawed. Let it be.

Yeah I guess you're right. Shaqo la'aan baa igu dhacday.

This guy has a severe cuqdad. What does your Somaliness have to do with the views that you've expressed in this thread? You were speaking as an individual, not on behalf of all Somalis.

One last thing that I'd like to add is that the Somali community in the West continues to be replenished with fresh arrivals every year which is why some of the statistics on Somalis are pretty useless. They do not account for these fresh arrivals when it comes to rate of unemployment, literacy etc. We're basically a mixed bag of that first wave that came in the mid to late 90s (established) and the thousands that have come in the 00s and 10s (less established).

You got mad at Enlightened for refusing to date AA men yet a significant portion of your own women refuse to date you lot. Why are you mad at a non-AA woman for refusing to date AA men when AA women don't even want to date AA men??

Fix the self-hate in your community that has black men and black women despising one another and worshipping white people.

Somali owned businesses in Africa:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

The rise of Somali capital in Kenya:

http://chimurengachronic.co.za/the-rise-of-somali-capital-2/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4Bnf2MRV4

Somali entrepreneurs in the Gulf:

DUBAI - The Somali community has been making their presence felt in the UAE over the last five years in the backdrop of the rapid growth of their businesses in the country, in general, and Dubai in particular. In Dubai, Somalis operate more than 30 gold and textile shops, hotels, computer businesses, money exchanges and livestock imports.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/general/somalis-make-their-mark-in-the-uae

http://afrikansarvi.fi/issue8/85-matkakertomus/234-somali-business-in-dubai

We're known as an entrepreneurial people bruh. We've been doing this for thousands of years. 20-30 years of civil war do not define us. We're an ancient seafaring people who used to trade far and wide.

You want to talk about banks? We have established an entire banking/money transferring system which runs parallel to the regular banking system. Look up the word "Hawala". We're Muslim, we don't deal in interests.

You guys have the "advantage" of being able to borrow money from normal banks, you speak the language, know the culture, have been here for 400+ years, you don't have to worry about sending money back home to feed the relatives etc. yet you're still at the bottom of society.

We shouldn't even be in the same conversation. You should be competing with Asians, Latinos, Whites.. Heck, the Nigerians who came as recently as the 60's have become the most succesful minorities in the US.

But please, tell me some more about how Beyoncé is so influential for shaking her booty on a stage.. lol

After 400+ years in the land of the free, the home of the brave:

http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/african-american-hunger/african-american-hunger-fact-sheet.html?referrer=https://www.google.dk/

African Americans are disproportionately affected by poverty, food insecurity, and unemployment. They are also more likely to receive charitable food assistance than their Latino and white, non-Hispanic peers.

These are the people whom you should be competing with, not recent arrivals from a war torn country. The very fact that we are even in the same discussion says a lot about you.

But--but---we betta dan deeez somalians yo.. dey ain't got it as gud az us.. nahmean.. Dey iz beneaf us yo.

Supper:
Funny thing is that immigrants tend to perform better than natives across the board, not just with black people, and not even just in America, but in other "western nations" like the UK, Canada, and Australia. So I really don't understand where all of the hoopla about "zomg teh emmigrents R dooing bettur than tah black-muricans!!! hur dur" is coming from, as if this phenomenon isn't universal.
https://www.rt.com/news/immigrants-jobs-native-brits-049/
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7723

[img]http://www.somalispot.com/attachments/350px-higher_education_in_the_us_by_race-svg-png.3538/[/img]

Somalis are not immigrants. They're refugees. Big difference. If US Somalis had been immigrants, i.e. people who specifically came for work and/or education, there wouldn't even have been a discussion.

Keep being "proud" of these token celebrities/outliers when we all know that your community at large is pure trash. Facts.

Lol seems like I struck a nerve. Nice essay. How dumb does one have to be to compare Khat abuse to the crack epidemic that's plaguing inner city neighbourhoods all over America.

Khat:

The plant’s effects have been compared to strong coffee, a less addictive cocaine, and (of course) green tea; “mild euphoria and excitement” are the desired outcomes. Generally, khat is consumed fresh because the strongest chemical – cathinone, a schedule I drug in the U.S. as of 1993 – breaks down within 48 hours, leaving only the milder cathine behind. It is, however, sometimes dried and served as tea.


http://modernfarmer.com/2014/07/everything-need-know-khat/

As for crack:

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/crackcocaine/effects-of-crack-cocaine.html

Needless to say, people don't prostitute themselves or sell their pre-teen daughters for Khat. There is no comparison dude and you know it.

Like I said, Somalis are a very recent refugee group in the West. The very fact that we are even in the same discussion says a lot more about your people than mine. What have you achieved in your 400+ years in America? You're over-represented in crime statistics, HIV prevalence, prostitution and drug abuse are rampant, you don't even control your own wealth etc.. You've failed on every level of society except when it comes to entertaining these white folks as glorified clowns and court jesters. You've had 400+ years to make something of yourselves yet every single immigrant community manages to surpass within 1 generation - all the indications are there that even the Somalis will surpass you in the very near future. For one, we control our own wealth and are good at community building. We do not rely on Arabs, Koreans and Indians to supply us with the most basic necessities. If a group of recently arrived refugees, most of whom are illiterate, can compete with you in your own home, then the future looks very bleak for you, my friend.

Now let's address some of your claims:

The US-Somalis in America: A Horror Story of Crime, Violence, and Now Terrorism
http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/

This is from a far-right extremist website. That alone is enough to discredit its validity. Here is what the same site says about your people:

http://newobserveronline.com/all-failing-schools-in-alabama-are-black/
http://newobserveronline.com/new-orleans-black-criminals-overrun-public-defenders/
http://newobserveronline.com/blackest-schools-have-worst-academics-new-official-us-statistics-show/

As for HIV, none of the reports that you quoted even mention Somalia or Somalis, you deceptive little freak. Let's look at the numbers for your community:


"Blacks/African Americansa have the most severe burden of HIV of all racial/ethnic groups in the United States. Compared with other races and ethnicities, African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses, those living with HIV, and those ever diagnosed with AIDS.

In 2014, 44% (19,540) of estimated new HIV diagnoses in the United States were among African Americans, who comprise 12% of the US population.

In 2014, an estimated 48% (10,045) of those diagnosed with AIDS in the United States were African Americans. By the end of 2014, 42% (504,354) of those ever diagnosed with AIDS were African Americans.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/

Meanwhile in Somalia, the prevalence rate is not even 1%. It's closer to 0,5% on average. That's about the same as countries like Argentina and Belgium. Somalia has one of the lowest prevalence rates anywhere in the world.

"The recent round of HIV estimates approximates the number of people living with HIV in 2014 at
approximately 35,000 and increasing with an HIV prevalence (15-49 years) of 0.55%. In 2014,
the population of adult PLHIV in Somaliland is estimated at 9,531, while in South Central at
16,363 and Puntland at 3,832. (Table 1). The HIV Prevalence (15-49) in 2014 is estimated at
0.78% in Somaliland, 0.59% in Puntland and 0.38% in South Central."

http://www.unaids.org/sites/default/files/country/documents/SOM_narrative_report_2015.pdf

Again, you picked the wrong battle here. We all know that HIV is way more prevalent in your community due to promiscuity, drug abuse etc.. Somalis come from a conservative culture, and thank God for that.

As for the stories from Europe, most of those links belong to Islamophobic/anti-immigrations organisations. You need to be a bit more critical about the sources that you use. You're so desperate to score some cheap points that you are willing to quote from sources that regard you and your people as subhuman creatures. That's just pitiful.

With that said, Somalis only came to Europe in large numbers since the mid to late 90's. Despite a lot of stigma and many challenges, we've managed to progress as a community. I keep coming back to the fact that we have vibrant, strong communities where we control our own wealth. Many of us are the children of illiterate people yet we've managed to get high level education and substantially improve our situation within 1 generation. My own family is a good example. My mother never went to school, even though she was an established businesswoman back home. She did the best she could and now 4 of her children have University degrees and the 5th is a carpenter. This is a giant leap even though we're still technically still the 1st generation. I know of many such stories. Of course the media will naturally tend to be drawn to the negative stories, but the positives clearly outweigh the negatives.

I am willing to wager that even if you look at the worst statistics on Somalis and compare them to those of the AA's, we will still come out on top. Again, the fact that we are even in the same conversation despite you people being natives of these western countries says way more about you than us.

As for crime rates, you guys make up about 13% of the US population yet account for 40% of all incarcerations. Nobody got you beat in that department.

As for FGM, then it's prevalent all over Africa, including your ancestral homelands. Worry about the prostitution and child-molestation epidemics (along with a plethora of other epidemics) that plague your community.

mrbyron:
The middle eastern men are you slave masters. They kidnapped and raped your women in the past that's why you have their DNA in you till date. Other Africans are not claiming to associate with you guys. There's nothing to gain from associating with you. Instead it's the other way round. You are the ones claiming you are not Africans and the middle east are not claiming you either. So I advice you create niche for yourselves and call yourselves whatever you want and be happy. You have nothing to prove to anyone.

That is factually incorrect. Most of the West Eurasian DNA in Somalis is on the maternal line. It predates Arabs and is from an extinct population. All of this took place thousands of years ago by the way so none of this is recent.

Don't make up stories just to get back at this despicable troll Ajuraan. This guy is a self-hating loser who hates everything black so he shouldn't be taken seriously.

Ednite:
well, not as annoying as Somalis. Can't say all ET's are disciplined but I haven't found any.

Ethiopians and Eritreans just keep their opinions to themselves. Somalis can be more obnoxious.

LMAO @

All I know is that it takes one hell of a delusion of grandeur to be a friggin somalian and attempt to grandstand against a group, like African-Americans, which by all accounts is clearly more productive

The very fact that you're even competing with a group which is mostly comprised of recent arrivals from a war-torn country says a lot about the state of your community. You should be competing with Asians, whites, Latinos. Not with a community that hasn't even been in the US for one generation. Most Somalis in America have been in the states for about a decade. We shouldn't even be in the same conversation. You've had 400+ years as a headstart.

By all indications, Somalis will have outperformed the AA's within 1 generation just like every other group has done in the past. We have a higher rate of entrepreneurship, control our own wealth and are not preyed upon by outsiders who extract money out of our community. In Columbus alone we have established 400+ small businesses, including malls, we have our own banking /money transferring system, etc.. We've achieved that much in the span of 10-15 years. We have our own grocery shops, butchers, clothing shops etc.. Meanwhile, you guys rely on Arabs, Koreans, Indians etc to provide you with the most basic necessities. These people are literally sucking money out of your neighborhoods and ensuring that you never get ahead in life.

Plus we are free from many of the vices that plague your community such as high crime rates, HIV, alcoholism, drug abuse, teenage pregnancy etc.

I understand why you'd want to defend your people, but you need to get off your high horse and realise that you're not better than anybody else. You're in no position to be looking down on us.

But sure, keep pretending like a few star athletes and other entertainers, who don't even do anything for your community, represent you. As a community, you're at a low point right now. There's pretty much unanimous consensus on that part.

Unless I completely misunderstood Enlightened's argument, I don't think that she is disputing that there are some systemic inequalities that can explain some of the gross disparities between black and white people in terms of income, crime statistics etc.. Speaking for myself, I certainly do not dispute that at all!

My position is that, yes, black Americans are definitely marginalised in the US and systematically oppressed. This has had a negative impact on AA's as a group and if you listen to their own community leaders and others who are doing work in the community, they will tell you that the prison industrial complex, the war on drugs and other government policies that were specifically designed to target the black community, have destroyed the family unit and created a fragmented community. Infidelity is super high, lack of respect for women is prevalent, etc..

All I said was that I understand why someone from a different community would be wary of getting involved with an African American in light of the aforementioned issues, especially if said person has had nothing but negative experiences with the AA community.

It's the same with certain middle-eastern cultures where wife beating is prevalent. If a woman refuses to consider Arab men because she does not want to end up in an abusive relationship, I would definitely understand that. It does not mean that all Arab men beat their wives, but many of them do and it's something which is normalised by society to the point where it's not even uncommon to see men beating their wives in public in some countries.

Is it wrong to generalise/stereotype people? As a rule of thumb, YES. But I believe that when it comes to big life decisions like who you want to consider as a potential life-partner, you HAVE to have some type of filter. You cannot thoroughly explore the personality of every one who approaches you.

EnlightenedSoul:
It's not necessarily infidelity or lack of commitment. I mean, it's not like I think they have a monopoly on infidelity, or anything. You can find that anywhere you go, really. And it's def not like I've been actively searching for a spouse and thus avoiding them for those reasons, lol, no...but I don't know how to explain it. There's a prevalent mentality I don't like. It is what it is.

What gulf country, if I may ask? Did you like it? I spent some time in one Arab country, Egypt. Man, did I not like it there, but it widened my horizons. I'm in the US, and most my immediate family is out here, or in some parts of Europe. But also many others are back home in Djibouti on my father's side particularly. Yes, we have some admixture in our family as well as far other African and white ethnicities in my extended family, up to and including my nephew, my sister's youngest child, whom is half-white. That's not to say that does anything in the way of making quite a few of my family members any more tolerant of it, tho, interrelationships and all.

Well, it's nice to meet you.

I grew up in the UAE. My father was raised in Aden, worked as a seaman and then eventually settled in the UAE where he worked as an electrician. Overall, I liked it. There's a strict hierarchy in terms of race/ethnicity though. The locals were at the top, then came the rest of the Arabs (Syrians, Egyptians) etc plus the Somalis and Sudanese. Then at the bottom you had the Pakistanis/Indians/Bengalis, Filipinos, Sri Lankans etc.. We were treated quite well and had access to certain opportunities that many others didn't. Plenty of Somalis became wealthy in the UAE. Even today, I'd say that, on average, Somalis in the Gulf are doing way better than Somalis elsewhere in the diaspora in terms of education, employment, living standards etc.. I'm not talking about recent refugees but the migrants who have been living there for decades.

Egypt is nice, it's just very poor. I was there a few years ago. It was a lovely experience.

As for interracial relationships, I'm not going to lie.. I am definitely against Somalis (especially well-educated, intelligent brothers and sisters) marrying out for the simple fact that we need to build strong, healthy communities in the diaspora. I'm a bit old-fashioned when it comes to that. But at the same time, people are going to do what they think is best for them so I don't really concern myself with what the next man/woman is doing. I just focus on doing what I think is right.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't go for a non-Somali.

Nice to meet you too.

EnlightenedSoul:
That's what I call a U-turn. It feels like you changed your opinion real, real quick. Am I that convincing?

No, honestly, I feel bad. And I don't want to bash. There are good and bad people everywhere, and I do try not to pre-judge, and treat people with a modicum of respect.

So, are you American?

I'm not a stubborn person. I have no problem with modifying my opinions from time to time and what I said about AA men was probably a bit too idealistic. But i still sick by everything else that I've said

Anyway, It's not (just) you. I've thought some more about this and although I don't believe in negatively stereotyping an entire people, it would be foolish to pretend that the conditions that these people have had to live under for centuries haven't had any negative impacts on their mentality as a group. These impacts have shaped how they view family, relationships etc.. I'm not saying that they are all the same, but I understand why you wouldn't want to take any risks with who you become involved with. It's similar to how many women avoid getting into relationships with Indian/Pakistani men for fear of ending up in an abusive relationship since that's a real issue in their community.

Infidelity, lack of commitment etc are real issues in the black community and you'd be foolish not to take that into consideration when searching for a potential spouse. I understand that.

No I'm not American but I do interact with Americans almost every day through work + most of my family lives in the states. I grew up in the Arab Gulf, currently living in Europe.

Plus I have many cousins who are half American (both white and black).

EnlightenedSoul:
Nah, on the contrary, I think if what I was saying was based purely on a bad personal relationship experience with an AA man, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on as it'd hold little more weight than air, being emotional reasoning. My statements were interaction and observation based.

I haven't dated AA men myself, but I have watched others who have done so in earnest in varying degrees of amusement/concern/awe. And the drama they come with, baggage and all, is better/worse than reality T.V. There are themes. Forget my dating one, it's to the level that if a friend was dating an AA guy (unless I knew her to be futzing), I'd be weary on her behalf until such a time as I could ascertain him to be a sane and decent person, and clean for pete's sake. I don't have the wherewithal to deal. And yet Fula was talking marriage, and y'll are trying to make it a skin color issue, like we don't have dark-skinned people among us.

You know what, I've thought about this and started to notice certain things. I definitely don't blame you for avoiding them. Of course it's wrong to generalise, but as a group they seem to suffer from a multitude of complexes. Even their own women are beginning to shun them. Most of it is caused by a breakdown in family and a lack of values. I guess 3-400 years of being systematically disenfranchised leads to this.

But relationships/marriages are not supposed to be charity so I understand why you wouldn't want the risk of getting involved with any of their men.

They don't respect their own women so how do you think they would treat an African woman? If you want to see what their youth are up to you should check out some of their forums such as thecoli.com. Sad stuff.

AkataGuy:
@Someguy I would like to apologize to you for my harsh comments regarding Somalis

It's alright bro, no hard feelings. You probably saw something that made you upset.