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StoryHaven:
I thought you said you went to school to aquire knowledge. Abi na dindinrin you aquired with yours?
You dont believe in the story of Jesus but you believe in science that confirmed that Jesus lived and died?
Abi Archeology is no more part of science?

Archaeological finding proof the existence of the man named Jesus.
The phone in your hand is not only for Tiktoking. Those who are wise use it for research.

Ordinary Google will certify your curiosity about the Existence of Jesus boy.

You see this brain God has given use, He expects us to use it o. Please dey use am abeg.

Science confirms the existence, the miracles of Jesus, His death and His resurrection.

Tell me if you need intetnet data.
Who knows, I might be led to subscribe for you.

You did not mention any evidence. Please can you mention one person that actually saw him.

obonujoker:
Jesus is God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

You are quoting Christian Bible for me.....show me where God said through any prophet that he will come as a man to be sacrificed for the sins of the world.
God in Amos 3:7 that he does nothing without revealing it to his servant the prophet...NO WHERE.
Then all of a sudden, the Romans invented one and you are buying it with no questions asked. I did, and I discovered God never ordered it.

obonujoker:
Christianity is built on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paganism and it's ilks are of the Devil

Exactly my point, Jesus is an idol.
Gods commandments is clear.
"Do not make the image or LIKENESS of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"....
The Romans created a God in the image and likeness of a man, something found on earth for you to worship and you actually believe them.....
Continue

Christianity is a contraption.....like Nigeria.

The majority of Jews still adhere to the Torah..

Christianity is an amalgamation of earlier religions before it. It's central figure was created from the myths of earlier figures like Marduk, Inanna, Dimuzzi, Apolo...,etc.
Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire and summoned all the Presbyters to Nicaea to fashion out a new religion. . After arguing and fighting each other, they arrived at the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Eusebius was ordered to harmonize the different myths into one single story.....and that was how Jesus was born. He was ordered to make 50 copies paid for by Constantine himself....
Funny enough they still went to Babylon for the foundation for their faith.
And Emperor Constantine decreed that who does not believe would be Anathema (as good as dead)....They spent the next 1000+ years editing and rewriting the Bible. They only stopped when a certain German invented the printing press....

The kingdom of God never went anywhere, it has always been within us....

Why do they even need somebody to betray him. The sanhendren has power to arrest somebody and pass the death penalty. Moreover they dont meet in secret or in somebody's house or at night. Hat story is highly suspect. They don't meet during a feast.....so many fake news in that stories. .

Pikate cruxified people for way lesser crime . He was recalled back to rome for the evil

Why would a God who gave the Torah, Ignore it to sanction a bloody human sacrifice?
The jews where warned by the Lord most high not to worship any God their ancestors never knew . There was no mention of a "son of God" in the entire Torah. Why all of a sudden it is being celebrated and nobody is saying something about it....except me.

Well I am definitely not falling for it.

Inanna was the first to defeat death. I think it's that model that was used to create the story of jebus.
Some element from the story of Marduk and dimuzzi. Dimuzzi was the one the women would weep for......
So many stories from the different existing myth was used to create the Jesus character.

How come he is not mentioned in real history.
How come they where arguing for more than 10 years before Nicaea.
How come nobody said anything about him until the church came round?

I was having a conversation with a Christian friend last night about some of the reasons I do not believe the gospel accounts of the death and resurrection are reliable… one such reason was when Jesus Christ was actually crucified.

I told him this isn’t some obscure detail….it’s the central event of the entire story. And yet when you line up the accounts, they don’t just differ slightly, they contradict in a way that cannot be reconciled.

I started with the Gospel of Mark. In Mark, Jesus eats the Passover meal with his disciples…that’s the Last Supper. After that, he’s arrested overnight, tried, and then crucified the next mornin at about 9 a.m. (Mark 15:25). So in this account, the crucifixion happens after the Passover meal.

Then I showed him the Gospel of John. Here, everything shifts. Jesus is still before Pontius Pilate around noon on the day of Preparation of the Passover ….the very day the Passover lambs are being slaughtered (John 19:14). That means Jesus is crucified before the Passover meal, not after. So in one account, Jesus eats the Passover, in the other, he dies before it even happens.

My friend tried to say maybe it’s just a minor timing issue. But it’s not. This completely changes the sequence of events. In Mark, the Last Supper is the Passover meal. In John, it can’t be…because Jesus is already dead before the meal begins. You can’t have both.

Then I asked him why John would move it. And that’s where the real issue comes in. John is the only gospel that strongly pushes the idea of Jesus as the “Lamb of God.” So what does the author do? He places Jesus’ death at the exact time the Passover lambs are being slaughtered in Jerusalem. This is not history shaping theology…it’s theology reshaping history.

Once you see that, it’s hard to unsee. The timeline isn’t just reported differently…it’s reworked to make a symbolic point. And that raises a bigger question I asked him directly…if the author is willing to change the day of Jesus’ death to fit a theological message, what else in the story has been adjusted for the same reason?

At that point, he didn’t realy have a response. Because this isn’t something you can harmonize without doing violence to the texts. Jesus cannot both eat the Passover meal and die before it. He cannot be crucified the morning after and the afternoon before at the same time.

This really clearly shows that these accounts are theological narratives written by believers shaping the story to express what they believed. And once that door opens, the reliability of the entire narrative becomes a serious question.

estheragha:
It is not only unsafe but highly demonic to say that human beings are God. It is a lie from the very pit of hell. It is the very act of standing against and opposing God with our human thoughts.

That human beings are created in the same image and likeness of God means we are created in resemblance to God. That you resemble someone doesnt mean that you are that person, know the difference. So it is absolutely wrong for you to say that just because you are created in resemblance to God now means you are God. Man is not God. You are not God. God didnt didntegrate His Spirit, instead He created our spirits individually. Man is a mere creature, God is the Creator.

There is a fundamental difference between God and man you need to know. When it comes to man, the Bible says in Romans 3:23, " For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". But when it comes to our God Jesus, the Bible says in 1 John 3:5, " And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin." We are born having sin but God has no sin. If we are the same as God, then we will fundamentally be like Him and have no sin as Him. However, we are fundamentally different from God in that while God is the Creator and sinless, we humans are the creatures born as sinners, thereby needing salvation. While we are the ones needing salvation, God Himself is the Saviour who saves us from our sins. If we are God, there would be no issue of anyone going to hell because we would all be sinless as God and have the same equal power as Him. But the fact that God can throw us into hell even against our wish, shows we have no power like Him but instead we all need His mercy to receive salvation and go to heaven.

You need to throw away such thoughts and false belief that you are God because it is a deception from Satan.

Humans are the forms through which God experiences his creation.
We are not humans looking for God, we are God's having a human experience.

I know it is too much for you to take in, but the truth remains the truth. If Jesus existed, he is no different from us. .....

A good friend of mine asked this question, "Why do God always take the good people away?" As we were talking about the loved ones who have died in our lives. i wish i had been ready to be able to reply and respond and more so adequately but alas i was suddenly stubbed and could not respond and quickly or generally. the question has loomed over my mind since but i cannot come to a conclusion or have a general overview. i think this is one of the most important question in and about life and about death after life. And i don't want to leave her hanging or left out or left ignominiously. i would like to say to her that i had asked the Faith i am in and more particularly the traditional faith to which she may benefit, as would i, perhaps become more prepared if such an extremely common, so laid back and colloquial within society, or is a question so colloquially asked so commonly. i think it would benefit the both of us, share a unique perspective out of this particular religion, or more-so generally out of all established Religions.
what do you guys think?

Italy worst pass us self. See them see world cup, but they just had to have a red card. The goal Bastoni was trying to defend has still come .....

MaxInDHouse:
Where are the adherents of your faith?

Don't you think it's important to present a group of people practicing what you want others to emulate before claiming it's the best way of handling matters?

When people globally agreed to live by the same set of rules you feel they are wrong because that is brainwashing but then you keep on insulting people around you saying they are dummy for not agreeing with you.

Well continue deceiving yourself because without being organized there will never ever be any agreement you will stick to what you think is best while others do the same and when there is clashes you people pick up weapons to kill one another! Revelations 6:3-4

Approximately
2.1 million, or roughly one in seven, Jews worldwide are Charedi (strictly Orthodox), adhering strictly to Jewish law (Halacha). This population is expected to grow, potentially reaching 4 million by 2040. In addition to these, many other Orthodox Jews maintain high levels of observance, while the majority of the world's ~14.8 million Jews show varying levels of religious adherence

estheragha:
Human/ living beings

Let me educate you,
Every human you see is made up of
1. Body made from the dust of the earth
2. spirit/breath of God.
number 1 and 2 together make up a living soul .

when a soul's number is up, that experiences death, the body is buried and it returns back to earth
the spirit returns back to God who gave it.
but Genesis actually says that the spirit is the same image and likeness as God.
so it is safe for me to say, we are all Gods living in a body made of dust and having multiple experiences

Thank goodness i left all these insanity....

just imagine, the beliefs.....

paganism mixed with Roman and Greek mythology..........presented as facts.

estheragha:
Human/ living beings

lol.....very funny.

i don't know where to start your lecture from...

estheragha:
I understood you from the onset, and my reply remains the same.........Man is not God.

then what are we?

Where is keystone bank? i get account with them oh

Christianity is built on pagan practices..human sacrifice, logos, necromancy, etc.
The only thing God gave to the nations is laws to keep. He gave the omenala/odinala to us,......keeping it is what makes us righteous.

By default Man is imperfect. it is part of our design flaw. We are dust.....

God desires us to be righteous NOT holy.hoiness is the exclusive property of God

Righteousness can only be attained by obeying/keeping the Torah..

MaxInDHouse:
Keep your meat to yourself jàre!🤣

If you look at Bible with your eyes, you will see words. If you look at it with your brain, you will see knowledge. If you look at it with your heart, you will see love. If you look at it with your soul, you will see God.”

tctrills:
No, no, no, first ask Gemini to tell you who heard Alexander the Great speak. I asked you to do something, but you have not done it. You are requesting something from me. Do what I asked earlier, then you can ask your questions.
Also, be prepared to answer the same quest
ions for Alexander the Great

so you are putting Alexander the great in the same category as your god. That is refreshing. so because Alexander lived, Jesus must live too....be commiting all the fallacy . till the day your eyes willbeopen.
just like Justin martyre said, will put Jesus in the same category as Dionysus and Perseus..He is more closer to the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
How many times do i have to tell you that this your nonsense can never ever work with me?😀

well no wahala,
when you grow up, you will learn it.
like they say, Milk for babies, meat for adult..

tctrills:
I did not ask what Gemini said; I asked what you believe. But now, since you believe Alexander is not a myth, can you spot out why he is not a historical myth but Jesus Christ is? Please use Gemini.


About Jesus Christ, this is what Gemini said.

Whether you look at this through the lens of faith or through the lens of a secular historian, the consensus is that Jesus of Nazareth was a real, historical person.

While people debate his divinity (whether he was the Son of God), very few serious scholars today argue that he was "mythical" or made up. Here is the breakdown of the evidence:

ask Gemini to tell you who actually heard him speak,

you are comparing your god to Alexander the great. continue, you will soon realize that he was made up in Nicea

Jesus never existed. Nobody heard him speak. His name was never mentioned through out the first 150-200 years of our common era...
At the council of Nicaea, some delegate said he was God and some said he was man. as the argument was heating up, Athanasius stood up and said he was both. ...to end the argument...and from thence henceforth, he became 100% man and 100% god.....
and Eusebius has to forge a human history for him.

tctrills:
I once asked you if Alexander the great was a myth and you said you don't know. So you are in zero position to tell what is a myth or not. I hope you understand why no one should take you seriously when you bring up this your myth thing.
You are not equipped to identify a true historic event from myths

This is what Gemini has to say.

Alexander the Great was a real historical figure, not a myth. As the King of Macedonia who created one of the largest empires in ancient history by age 25, his existence is documented by historical, archeological, and numismatic evidence. However, his life became heavily embellished with mythical tales and exaggerated legends, such as the "Alexander Romance".

it does not mean that Jesus is a real figure.....

MaxInDHouse:
So there was no Moses yet it's a reality to you shey?😀

No Moses either
No Exodus from Egypt.

it's all happening within us... Egypt represent "a state of ignorance".(ignorance of one self/chaos)

Jesus is not mentioned anywhere in the Jewish Tanakh.. just look at this passage in Isaiah...45 5 "I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me(referring to the Jews)
6 In order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other.
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How can anybody read that and conclude that God is 3 in one....

tctrills:
Oga you have been saying this since I have known you but never with evidence. I have no reason to believe since you don't know what a myth is

myths are stories(not history) used to convey messages....Every culture has developed their stories based on elements of their culture. Every culture has a creation myth.the Jewish one is not unique,it is actually based on an earlier Babylonian myth...
I have a theory I am working on, I think Jesus might be Marduk.(The son of Enki) , the creator of the universe...I think he is also Arch angel Michael...(on account of the passage in the book of revelation)..I will share my finding as soon as I am done.
But he was never on earth as a man.