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elated177:
Sonmvayina,

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHVH, and the Word was YHVH. 2 He was with YHVH in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Have you ever read the Book John? Read the Book and come back and tell me your experience.

By the way, John, one of the disciples of Yahushua the Messiah, probably the youngest among them, was the twin brother of James. The Messiah, at one point, called them the sons of thunder. It was him who rested his head on the shoulder of Yahushua the Messiah.

exactly my points all these while, it is a christian idea, because it is not found anywhere in the Jewish scriptures. it is a christian teaching/ideology. i don't think the christian follow the God of the Tanakh or the Jews. They follow an invented God. They invented Jesus as the son of God all idea the borrowed from Greek philosophy...

tctrills:
That would be a foolish argument to make with you.
I believe when you created this post, you were open to questions and discussion. Please don't be so defensive.

I only want to know how you came about your conclusions. Just present your timeline.

The argument that the first woman was not cursed, is your opinion and belief or is it rooted in science? That's what I am digging at.

I have no problem if it is just your opinion.

the author of the book of genesis just wove a story around a known fact.
we were told a thousand of those while growing up,
i was told why the tortoise shell is rough, i know if that story was in the bible too, you would believe it as fact...

Truthseeker10:
So how did the first man and woman appear?

i think there were different groups of human created.....The igbo creation myth said 8, ......

HacheNoire:
How do some people hate on this guy!

Give him the kudos and criticize him when necessary.

Damn! He has done far too much with scarce resources.

The guy pass, but e no get the required 5 credits to enter uni.

e only pass vocational studies and literature, no English, math, physics and chemistry.

elated177:
Deut 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day YHVH spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.

those who say Jesus is God, gather here...

explain to us what this means..

elated177:
1 Kings 20:;23 Meanwhile, the officials of the king of Aram advised him, “Their gods are gods of the hills. That is why they were too strong for us. But if we fight them on the plains, surely we will be stronger than they.

1 Kings 20: 28 The man of God came up and told the king of Israel, “This is what YHVH says: ‘Because the Arameans think YHVH is a god of the hills and not a god of the valleys, I will deliver this vast army into your hands, and you will know that I am YHVH.’”

finish the story, did he deliver them?

elated177:
I love this.

Isaiah 45: 19 I have not spoken in secret,
    from somewhere in a land of darkness;
I have not said to Jacob’s descendants,
    ‘Seek me in vain.’
I, YHVH, speak the truth;
    I declare what is right.

20 “Gather together and come;
    assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood,
    who pray to gods that cannot save.
21 Declare what is to be, present it—
    let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
    who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, YHVH?
    And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
    there is none but me.

I actually love the bold.
how do trinitarian manovre their way through it. and those who say he was with God...... explain to me

MaxInDHouse:
So you have finally agreed that Jesus is real shey?
Well let your friend sonmvayina know o!🙂

you have joined the band wagon fallacy.

that 2 billion people believe it does not mean it's true. From my own research there never was any need fot him...

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FxMasterz:
You don't need to drop me any video. I don't even go by popular opinion. I go by what the Bible says.

Cyrus was a pagan king Whom God used to fulfil His purpose for the world at the time. He didn't serve the God of Israel. He served his own gods.

Infact, tradition has it that Cyrus was awed when he was shown the prophecy of Isaiah that was made about him, even calling him by name about 74yrs before he was born.

lol, very funny, so funny I forgot to laugh.

in The Cyrus cylinder seal at the British museum, The God who took him by the had and asked him to free the captives was Marduk. cyrus God is Marduk. in the Bible books of Ezra and Isaiah,(all information written after the facts) it says it was Hashem who called Cyrus to free them. By way of simple deduction Marduk is same as Hashem(the Jewish God)....it looks like you love the Jewish propaganda.

Kobojunkie:
There is no history to back the claim that the Torah was written by Ezra. The Epic of Gilgamesh does not depict any of what you claim. 🥱🥱

Stop confidently spitting what are obvious lies. 🥱🥱

The Torah is still about the two brothers, Jacob(Enki) and Esau(Enlil).
who said anything about the epic of Gilgimesh?
it was written by Ezra on the other of king Cyrus the great. king of persia and later king of Babylon. Ezra was very vast in God's laws, he was asked to write it and take it along to teach his people as they continue to rebuild the temple.

estheragha:
Psalms 104:30
[30]You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; And You renew the face of the earth.
This means God sends the Holy Spirit to the saints who believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit, enabling them to proclaim this gospel to the whole world and thereby renewing them as children of God.
John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

God created us and breathe the spirit of life into us and we became living beings. It does not in any way mean that God disintegrated His Entity into many little spirits. He created our own spirits individually. He didnt disintegrate Himself. Stop spewing nonsense from your thoughts please.

you are suffering from cognitive disonance.
it says "send forth your spirit and they are CREATED, that is human are created and replenish the earth. Take it and they die and return to dust, why did you take only one verse. see also Ecclesiastes 12:7....

Kobojunkie:
Stop telling this ridiculous lie! There exists no parallel between the two stories. 🥱🥱

The Epic of Gilgamesh is a pretty straightforward story(some of it in poetry form) that contains none of what you keep insinuating on here. 🥱🥱

i have dropped a book for you to read, it appears you don't research at all.

the torah was written by Ezra when they exited the Babylonian exile.....much of the information he used came from there......

the truth remains the truth irrespective of your belief.....


thank you

FxMasterz:
Don't be confused.

The God of Cyrus was indeed Marduk. The God of Israel never claimed to be the God of Cyrus. Infact, He said I"I have chosen you to do my desire, even though you have not known me."

God called Cyrus his servant/messiah....which simply means anointed king.
i will drop a video from youtube for you to watch

estheragha:
I understood you from the onset, and my reply remains the same.........Man is not God.

it is Gods spirit that is inside each of us, the body that was made with dust is just a suit. just like NASA astronaut need a special suit to adapt to conditions in space, we need this body to adapt to conditions in this earth. it is not who we are, we are the Gods spirit dwelling inside of it...and that God spirit is the same image and likeness as God just as the body is same image and likeness as the earth....

we are all Gods spirit having or experiencing a human life.

you understand now? see psalm 104:29-31

annyplenty:
It is not any delusional. It will happen and all scoffers will regret their actions. I pray the Lord have mercy on you

Happen keh?

when last did you hear the people who brought this absurdity to you say such things......?

they know its all a lie to control you....

you simply fell for it.

FxMasterz:
ChatGpt
Here is my own telling of the Isaiah 45 story—focused on one simple question: Did what Isaiah 45 described actually happen in verifiable history, or not?

A God Who Stakes His Identity on Time
Ancient humanity was never short of gods. Every culture had many—gods of war, rain, fertility, wisdom. What they all shared was this: none of them were testable. They explained the past, justified the present, but never put their identity on the line in a way history itself could verify.

Isaiah records something different.
In Isaiah 40–48, the God of Israel does not argue philosophically. He does not demand blind faith. Instead, He proposes a test:

If you are gods, tell the future. Declare what is to come.

This is an audacious claim. Predictive specificity is dangerous—because it can be checked later. False gods avoid that risk. The God of Isaiah embraces it. Then He does something without precedent in ancient religious literature: He names a future political leader, assigns him a task, and ties His own credibility to whether it happens.

The name is Cyrus. The Problem With Cyrus:
When Isaiah wrote, several things were true:

1. Jerusalem was still standing.
2. The Temple was still intact
3. Israel was not in exile
4. Persia was not a world empire
5. Cyrus did not exist
6. His parents did not exist
7. His grandparents did not exist

Yet Isaiah 44–45 speaks of Cyrus as though he is already alive—called by name, addressed directly, assigned a mission:

1. He will subdue nations
2. He will open gates no one can shut
3. He will rebuild Jerusalem
4. He will order the Temple rebuilt
5. He will release Israel’s captives

This is not vague symbolism. These are administrative, political actions. At the time, they made no sense.

Isaiah Dies. History Moves On.
Roughly 50 years later, something Isaiah never lived to see happens:

1. Babylon attacks Jerusalem
2. The Temple is burned
3. The population is deported

Only now does Isaiah’s prophecy even become relevant. Before this, it sounded unnecessary. After this, it sounded impossible.

Isaiah is gone. His words remain—unfulfilled, uneditable.

Enter Cyrus of Persia
About 150 years after Isaiah wrote, Cyrus II is born in Persia. He rises to power, conquers Babylon in 539 BC, and becomes ruler of the dominant empire of the world.

Then comes the historical hinge.

In 538 BC, Cyrus issues a decree allowing displaced peoples to return to their homelands and rebuild their temples. Among them are the Jews.

The biblical record preserves the decree (Ezra 1). But this is not the only source.

The Extra-Biblical Evidence
In 1879, archaeologists discovered the Cyrus Cylinder, now housed in the British Museum. It is a royal inscription written in Cyrus’s own time, describing his policy of restoring temples and repatriating exiled peoples.

The cylinder does not quote Isaiah. It does not mention Jerusalem by name. And that is precisely why it matters.
It independently confirms that:

1. Cyrus had a consistent imperial policy of restoration
2. He issued decrees allowing captives to return He rebuilt temples destroyed by Babylon
3. This is exactly the behavior Isaiah attributed to him—long before Babylon ever destroyed Jerusalem.

Biblical text and Persian archaeology converge without dependence on each other.

Did Cyrus Know Isaiah?

Possibly later. But the crucial point is this: Isaiah’s prophecy existed before the events It could not be edited after fulfillment. It named a specific individual. It described actions that only became meaningful decades later. It aligns with independent historical records.

If the prophecy were written after the fact, it would be detectable. Scholars debate many biblical texts—but Isaiah’s pre-exilic sections are firmly dated before Cyrus. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the text’s antiquity and stability.

Why This Matters
The God of Isaiah does not say, “Believe because I am powerful.”

He says, “Believe because I can do what no false god can: tell you what will happen, then make it happen.”

He even explains His motive:

So that the ends of the earth may know that I am the LORD, and there is no other.

This is not tribal bragging. It is a universal claim tied to public history.

Isaiah Is Not Alone. The Cyrus episode is not unique.

Daniel outlines centuries of geopolitical succession with disturbing precision. Later historians were so unsettled by its accuracy that some argued it must have been written after the events—until manuscript evidence proved otherwise.

The Bible repeatedly puts itself in a position where time itself can refute it.

False religions do not do that.

My Conclusion Either: Isaiah 45 is an extraordinary coincidence involving names, empires, timing, and archaeology aligning by chance or The text records a God who operates outside time and uses history as His signature. Isaiah offers no third option.

This God does not shout. He does not compete loudly with other gods.

He hides—quietly embedding His identity into the future. And centuries later, history answers for Him.

That is the question Isaiah leaves behind—not “Is God powerful?” But “Who else can do this?”

the God of Cyrus was Marduk in the cylindrical seal....
like I said before, Marduk is the Babylonian name of the Hebrew God. just as Eledumare is the yoruba name of the Hebrew God. There is only one God and power in the universe it is just the nomenclature that is different...others are just the aspects of this God, which the yoruba call ORiSHAs

Both Abraham and Jesus are myth. read the story and learn the message.... worshipping the characters in the story is nothing short of idolatry.....
last time I checked, that's was what got the Israelites in trouble.

estheragha:
You said, "What i mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways................If Jesus existed, he is no different from us."

I think you should read what you posted again. Considering that Jesus is God, how exactly are you the same as Him?

If you dont mean Man is God, then what exactly are you talking about?

do you understand it?
Man that is me and you and every one you see are all Gods having a human experience or walking a human paths. we are spiritual beings just here to experience life, so if Jesus existed, he is no different from us....I stand by what I said.

estheragha:
You said, " each one of us is God". That is the very lie i was addressing.
Did i misunderstood? How?

that is not what i said, read it again....

Moderator101:
Nope. Fake. Never Existed.

ok....care to explain

estheragha:
You are not God. Man is not God. You are not like Jesus, never compare yourself with Him, you are just but mere dust. Stop speaking blasphemies.

Man is God is the very idealogy of the Antichrist emanating from Satan.

Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Satan seeks to instill the evil desire in man to desire to become like God. We see this in Genesis 3:5 where Satan lied to Eve saying, " For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Satan himself had harboured desire to be God. We see this in Isaiah 14:12-14, “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

However, he failed and was cast out from heaven so he now seeks to deceive mankind with such lies that they can become God. So if you claim to be God, then you are merely speaking demonic words having your mind already deceived by Satan. You are no divine being but merely dust that will die and have its spirit returned back to its Creator, the true Divine Being. You will be returned if righteous to the kingdom of heaven but if a sinner, to the everlasting fires of hell.

you went off track.
did even read the truth I posted at all. if not, why mention me.
Go back and read it slowly and only comment when you have understood the message I was passing, take as much time as you want.

Moderator101:
Nah, the jews and the romans never existed too. all historical records of them are fake.

so let

hahahahha, so because London exists, Harry Potter must be real.....

I no know wetin I go call you.
most people use real places to build their story, does not mean the character is real.

romans and Jews where real people, the Romans just told a story set in Judea. it does not mean the characters are real.....They don't even know the geography of the place....

MaxInDHouse:
Pẹ̀lẹ́ tìẹ jàre.

I don't have time for your back and forth worthless arguments i'm only seeking honest hearted people not dishonest argumentator like you!😀

ok, so you want somebody that will agree with your lies, because the truth makes you uncomfortable.
carry on brother...

tctrills:
Oga, you are deviating from the topic. Let's go back and compare ancient historians to biblical historians instead of jumping from history to philosophy. I asked you questions that you are running away from.

run away from what?
i have already answered you, it is left for you to accept or reject....your choice mate.

I find it hard to discuss with people who are not consistent.

IbileIfe:
I didn't post it to argue about the theology of the existence of Jesus Christ.
To believe or not to believe is your personal decision and choice.
Surah Al-Baqarah Ayat 256 (2:256 Quran
"There is no compulsion in religion" (Quran 2:256)

I am not a Muslim
I am not a Christian

both are actually idolatry.

I only teach and open the minds of men.

IbileIfe:
Don't contradict yourself.
You can't accept the existence of God and reject the existence of Jesus Christ.

No egg can hatch if the egg has no yolk.

where people not worshipping God before Jesus was invented by the Romans? both are not mutually exclusive.
Jesus is a Roman creation. he got nothing to fo with the creator of the universe.....
know this and know peace.

MaxInDHouse:
Before his arrest and execution Jesus told his disciples that:

he (Jesus) must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed. Matthew 16:21

He warned them not to intervene when the destruction of Jerusalem happens:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her,  because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled.  Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24

Jesus told his friends that the blood of faithful servants of God from Abel till Zachariah will be asked in the hands of the inhabitants of Jerusalem {Luke 11:49-51} and just as Jesus foretold he was arrested and executed right in Jerusalem where many Jews were telling the Roman governor who wanted to release Jesus:

“To the stake with him!” Matthew 27:23

That day the pagan Roman governor said to the Jews:

“I am innocent of the blood of this man. You yourselves must see to it." Matthew 27:24

This is what the Jews said in response to this pagan ruler:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children." Matthew 27:25

So when the Roman armies were leading Jesus to the place where he will be executed he said to women shedding tears for him:

“Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for me. Weep instead for yourselves and for your children; for look! days are coming when people will say, ‘Happy are the barren women, the wombs that did not give birth and the breasts that did not nurse!’  Then they will start saying to the mountains, ‘Fall over us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us over!’ If they do these things when the tree is moist, what will occur when it is withered?” Luke 23:28-31

So if anyone still doubts the gospel accounts let such a person bring back the Jews and give them peace as a nation because Jesus said God has condemned that nation! Matthew 21:43

Can you imagine that their children who were brought back to that place after the world wars still want to ban Christianity in Israel today?😟

Because it is idolatry, Everything God forbids in his laws is what Christianity is built on.....

tctrills:
You seem super confused.
Your only issue with the bible writers is faith?
I gave you a list of non faith historian could you please explain how any of them is more authentic than the writers of the new testament or why you have to believe them and doubt the writers of the new testament?

And why do you have a problem with someone trying to save you from hell?

First and foremost, Hell is a Christian creation..
there is no mention of it in the Tanakh.
like I said in a thread today, I am a divine being just having a human experience. what do I need to be saved from?? when I expire, My spirit returns to God who owns it and my body is buried for it to return to the earth.
so, I wonder who send Jesus or whose father he is. when I know the stories are all made up from Greek philosophy .

The death of Jesus did not cause the destruction of the temple. it was the dissatisfaction of the Jews towards the cruelty of the Romans. There was no mention of Jesus in the entire first century. Nobody knows anything about the man that is discussed in the Christian gospels. Jesus never existed in history. so the death of a mythical figure can't cause the destruction of a city.
Josephus Never said anything about Jesus, the passage known as TF is a Christian forgery/addition most likely by Eusebius. who was the first to quote from it.

so let

The story of Isaac and Jacob, is same as the story of Enlil and Enki. They refer to the right and left side of God. while GOD was pleased with Jacob and his sons and daughters, he was not with the sons of Esau. They both represent out positive and negative inclinations or emotions.

Man is God's way of experiencing his creation, so the idea of predestination. does not apply.
what I mean is that each of us is God, experiencing life in different ways.
God created the heaven and the earth and everything that is within it., and the proceeded to mold a statue with the dust of the earth, after which he sent his spirit into the statue, and it came to life(because a living soul).
when man ate or did not not eat depending on which story you read, he was introduced into the reality of polarity. He lost the chance of dwelling on earth indefinitely. he now experiences death, which simply means return to default, the spirit to God and the dust to the earth.
The law was given to make the experience worthwhile....

like I always say, if Jesus existed, he is no different from us. we are all divine beings having a human experience.