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PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:17am On Jun 02, 2013
funnyx: Lie from the pit of hell! Some of you guys are just too desperate to play victim for cheap propaganda just like achebe did in his last book which is full of lies and misrepresentation of facts.
another awo worshipper in disguise.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:09am On Jun 02, 2013
percipi1: My dear friend, I will beg you to leave the thread for one simple reason, you are not going to meet any rational person to debate with you. Achebe appears to be a god to many a contributor, so even if Achebe could not substantiate his alleged facts with evidence, these apologist will expect you to agree with such flawed reasoning, and if you disagree, you will either be called an igbophobe or some unprintable names. I have had my fair share of these tribal vermins. I will advise you not to waste your time. I know you speak fact. However , we cannot enjoy a robust debate on this issue where tribal bigots swim about. Kind regards
you might as well dissappear. You and your demigod awo are the real disease in the multicultural nature of nigeria. There were many atrocities commited that were not printed, only the victims could speak of it. It may have been an isolated incident but it happened. Achebe is celebrated all over the world as a moral and authoritative voice, so eat poo okay? Genocide lovers. Devil's advocates.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 10:48pm On Jun 01, 2013
ba7man: No problem dear. Your name shows you're Igbo but frankly i have nothing against Igbos. But as with every tribe, there are two kinds. (1) The nice, de-tribalized ones, there are a lot that grew up in Lagos and i see them as Lagosians. (2) The lousy, dumb, boastful ones that utter statements that can put the whole tribe in trouble. I guess its hate stories told to them about the civil-war that has transcended generations.
excuse me mr. Categorizer, i am detribalized, yet an unapologetic igbo. Don't you bring the civil war issue here as though its some historical grub, genocide is not something igbos will forget in a hurry, it has emotional and psychological scars attached to it, esp. with what postwar nigeria has sadly become, ask the jews and tutsis. Igbos have given much more to lagos than what you project us to have given.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 10:12pm On Jun 01, 2013
ba7man: I thought the Igbos were responsible for making Lagos what it?? Oh, now its the colonials. You guys have a false impression of yourselves. Apart from Ladipo,Computer Village and Alaba market, your perceived dominance ends....Places Fashola is even planning to destroy and re-Construct. Just be thankful we're good hosts and move on with life, if Lagos was in the north and the Northerners read all you say on NL, just pack your bags and run cuz lives will definitely be lost.
shame on you trash talker. Igbos are in large numbers in virtually 99 percent of all markets in lagos, both formal and informal, from emzor pharmaceuticals to aswani market. The areas you mentioned as just some densely igbo areas which also includes market areas in oshodi, island, apapa cargo/container ports, idumota, mile 2 motor market, ojuwoye/idi-oro, nollywood outfits, etc. Igbo run a larger percentage of trade and commerce in lagos, take it or leave it, punk.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 2:26pm On Jun 01, 2013
ba7man: Lagos has been before the Igbos mass emigrated to it and will be after you leave. Those businesses you leave behind will be taken over by people that recognize the opportunity of your absense......and frankly, Lagos needs to be de-populated, so feel free to leave.
the urban statistics of lagos used to be low because it was meant only for british administrators and their officials. Asides that, nothing else made lagos special.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 1:59pm On Jun 01, 2013
django1: ^^^the question that comes to mind then is that why is igboland still backward with all the igbos of the world in it?

You mean little to lagos, stop your unneccessary arrogance!
igboland is not backward mr. Ignoramus. The marginalization of igboland in federal allocations championed by awo your yoruba demigod couldnt kill the igbo commerce and entreprenueral ingenuity. Onitsha and aba is the igbo man's sweat and ingeninuity. Your govt peanuts cannot limit us. Port harcourt (90 percent ikwerre) is a blossoming first rated city like kano. We have emerging cities like enugu, awka, umuahia, owerri, nnewi, abriba(small london) etc. So igboland is thriving ok? Thanks to our ingenuity.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 1:32pm On Jun 01, 2013
django1: First, ibadan is mega right now, at least in comparison to south eastern cities!

Secondly, haven't you heard of 'femi johnson' and 'aje' towers? Both are nothing less than 20 stories high, maybe you should visit IB sometimes and cure your ignorance!
ibadan, megacity? If i hear. You are really dreaming, or perhaps, you are ignorant of the use the word 'mega'. Lagos, a complete city-state, is the only one qualified to use the term, it hasn't even achieved it fully yet. Ibadan? Please...
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 12:43pm On Jun 01, 2013
topazjosh: you may be right to some extent,yea some bank branches may close down,but more better and strong establishments will be on ground,yea they will definately cause by then lots of ibos,hausas,fulanis,south southerners might have left,that's decrease in population,we actually need that,though ibo are not the only non indigenes doing business in lagos,stop claiming such false,lots of hausa,south southerners,meanwhile we still gonna have lots of foreigners allover the world residing in lagos,we yorubas will be happy having a more less stressful,clean lagos,with less social crimes,fake products,unnecessary over population,then lagos will be peaceful,meanwhile the mega city will still be the most developed city in africa and one of the world best.
i never said igbos are the only businessmen in lagos, however our mass exit will shock the very bone marrow of trade and commerce in lagos. Why isnt ibadan clean, rich, and 'mega' since igbos are very few there? The village-city is still the way it is since the 60s, with the first tv station, stadium, univ, and only one skyscraper! Ibadan should have been mega by now, wetin happen?
FYI, lagos is what is today because it was the nation's capital thereby attracting foreign and local investments, and also because igbos are there as governors, commissioners, and mostly, business tycoons, big time entreprenuers, and federal civil servants.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 10:11am On Jun 01, 2013
4chi: Surprise? Ibos have always been boiboi to any group in power.shameless lots. Shame you no get. Ibos, once a major ethnic group of the Nigerian tripod now running errands for the ijaw, a completely new kid on the block.shows Ibos are bereft of any shame and they can bow for a cow in order to eat meat...
even the devil screams LIAR at you. Eat shit if you can't stand the mutual respect and goodwill the two ethnicities are beginning to once again enjoy. Igbos dey chase you for dream? E be like say you don commit one abomi.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 9:06am On Jun 01, 2013
ijaw citizen: Everyone can see how empty you are. After I've defeated you in an argument, the next best line of action is to insult and attack my person. All the Igbos I've encountered on this forum surprisingly exhibit this putrid character, What a shame!
defeated who? You indeed live in a dreamworld. Have you not been attacking and insulting igbos since? Fool.
FYI, ND communities stretches from the SW to the SE zone. Ondo, abia, imo, are member communities, haven't you heard of NDDC? Sorry, ndo, ND is not a geopolitical zone, and even the SS geopolitical zone has indigenous igbo communities in it as in delta and river states. Keep your ijaw agenda, its an embarrasement to the well-informed ijaws.
CultureRe: The Fulanis, Africa's Most Influential Tribe by SonOfEl(m): 3:35am On Jun 01, 2013
interesting thread, but not convincing.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:15am On Jun 01, 2013
BlackBaron: Lol.

Surely there's got to be a smarter person than these 2 infants skirting around... lipsrsealed
what's the word for it....? Ehen...! SCHIZOPHRENIA! eyaaa...someone pls take him to yaba left.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 1:05am On Jun 01, 2013
ijaw citizen: Keep fooling yourself by mixing up Ss & ND. My Niger Delta still stands and Ikwerre does not own all of PH. PH lga is not Obio/akpo lga. Ph LGA is jointly owned by Okrika & Ikwerre and the city does not have access to the sea. South of PH LGA is Okrika LGA & Bonny LGa, both Ijaw people. Ikwerre people have consistently denied being Igbo and traced their origin to Bini, so go and grind your axe with them, Ijaws got nothing to do with it.

For their Igboness, we would never allow them to be in the same Niger Delta with us in the future. Read thru' my posts again, I've never claimed Ikwerre to be part of the future Niger Delta. I only called them non-igbos as they've call themselves, attributes aside.

You keep claiming Ikwerre and PH being Igwe Ocha, a name the Ikwerre & Ijaw owners of PH have never called themselves but manufactured from Igboland. Go and cure you're land grabbing disease aka LANDLOCKOPHOBIA. Even after Ikwerre people agree to be Igbo with you, Igbos won't still have access to the sea. grin grin grin
What a pity....SMH..... The hard time Itsekiris are giving us is nothing compared to what Ikwerre people would do to you next time, abandoned property na small.

What a childish talk! Still on the usual Igbo day-dreaming,Okay! Read my signature and stop being foolish.
I'd be singing along with Fela
#z0mbie no go go unless you tell am to go, Z0MBIE#

ZO00MBIE OOO ZOMBIE, ZO000MBie oooo z0mbie.
o boy, you are not making even vegetable sense. Na wa o. Is it this bad?
Since GEJ became president (thanks to igbos huge number), we no gree hear word from una type again. Suddenly you can open that coffin you call your mouth and spew disease you call your words. Thank God am immune to it.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 11:51pm On May 31, 2013
ijaw citizen: Oh how I enjoy reading the book of EXODUS....hmmm, my favourite! To start with, it would take a minor exodus or an earlier Edo exodus ( with ref. to Urhobo people) for Edo people to occupy those land while it would take a major EXODUS for Igbos to migrate across the Niger to occupy those lands. Simple logic!

The Asaba (anoicha) area you're talking about is regarded as the purest Igbo stock across the Niger yet Edo history and culture is rampant even across to the Igbo mainland in th SE. You're just beating around the bush, my earlier point still holds. What about the Igbanke, Ndokwa, Ika & Idoani people? You are all bunch of Edo people who accommodated wandering Igbos and the best of you know the real history so just keep quiet.

I'd have schooled you further by educating you about the ORU IGBOS but you're not worth it It a shame on Igboland they don't value human life. Why would a right thinking person sell their innocent 11 years old son, he was sold by his Igbo family to Ijaw people for some bottle of ogogoro. Ijaws nortured that young man an gave him a purpose in life now you're back here to claim an Ijaw property, or did we not purchase him. Jaja is an Ijawman who loves & served his Ijaw people. We bought him and made him who he is today so stopping claim what you've already sold or do you still wanna sell more?
see claimer o! So its ijaw that nurtured an igbo's business acumen? Then why havent any ijaw seconded jaja's success? Is he not one of the reasons why ijaws fear igbo domination? I dey laugh.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 11:29pm On May 31, 2013
ngozievergreen: Guy, let there be republic of alaigbo and we will be d happiest group in d world. Let me not mince words with u. U refused to mention the human resource contribution of yorubas to Nigeria. Ur elites are all ex-convicts, till den. .......
dont mind egghead. @egghead, even the devil screams LIAR! at you. UI and UNILAG's first black VCs were igbos, and hey, they got there by merit. An igbo was unilags pioneering VC. Amos tutuola was raised by an igbo merchant to survive and later became the man he later was. Your people are up there but it's thanks to us, your nurturers.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 11:15pm On May 31, 2013
dayokanu: The one and only NOBEL Laureate
you are the most senseless and myopic of all the igbohaters on this thread. You can't beat igbo literary and scientific achievements both home and abroad. Live with it, or better still sip chilled otapiapia.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 11:05pm On May 31, 2013
ijaw citizen: It is a pity that you igbo boys can't read btw a simple paragraph to comprehend the fccking meaning. SS is not Niger Delta, Ijaw did not create SS nor are we lording over fellow N/deltans. SS is just a political creation made up of artificial lines and Ijaws got nothing to do with its creation. Igbos are not in the Niger Delta, so couldn't be in a Niger Delta republic. ND republic is for the non-igbo & non-yoruba people of Southern Nigeria.

This analysis is so shallow and pathetic!
Are we talking about who is more southernly or more easternly now? is that the criteria for measuring who is a Niger deltan? Nobody is claiming the 'so called Igbos' in the SS, they still don't have access to the ocean. You will keep bleeping from now til forever, Igbos will forever be landlocked, That's what God has decreed for you!
You wish. You really wish.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 10:57pm On May 31, 2013
BlackBaron: grin grin Talk about selective amnesia.

Didnt know the norm now is to report unsubstantiated reports as facts.
This was meant to be his own 'personal'account - no?
Or is it now a 'Third person report?' Lest you know 'Words are very powerful (especially from a renowned writer like Chinua) Therefore, it is important to use them truthfully, accurately, and responsibly.' Reporting... of 'information requires both factual and accurate presentation.'

All other claims were shown with reference, yet a weighty issue as genocide with blame pointing to others is reported without fact.

You sound like an absolute idiot, they say the truth is indeed bitter. I critique a piece of his work now means I dislike Chinua or did you see me dilly dallying over the posthumous title conferred by some as the 'Father of African literature' title. Please go dig up my comments from the controversial Hall of Shame thread last year.

Now You need to pick up a school bag and return to Kindergarten.
Forking Mor.on
your bluff is first class. I hail....baron my foot.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 10:54pm On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: Your case has gone beyond hand. You should be quickly moved to Yaba left or Aro, Abeokuta.
oh, so you responded? I thought you said you wouldn't. Spineless coward.
PoliticsRe: Who Suffers If Nigeria Divides? by SonOfEl(m): 7:06pm On May 31, 2013
dayokanu: The part that would suffer most is the part that cant stay in their own region

The part with red barren clay soil

The part where every adult must flee from if they want to make it in life

The part that car parks every January looks like there is a war going on

The part that visiting the South West is like going to America

The part where the indigenes are afraid to live for fear of being kidnapped and eaten

The part whose governor even had a Special adviser on Lagos affairs

The part that would end up being land locked.

The part that struggles to attache to the South South by force
they have come again with their bias and bigotry. Haters of igbos. Instead of making intelligent speculations and guesses, their untamed jealousy for the most entreprenueral, travelled, and technologically intuited region in the country will not allow them think like reasonable homo sapiens.
Ingrates, if not for igbo entreprenuership, lagos would have been like ibadan or ogbomosho. Fashola is sensible, he knows why he chose an igbo man to be his planning and budgeting commisioner. If the igbo populace should leave southwest, banks will close, some will go bankrupt, hospitals and schools will close, commerce and trade will be decimated...(to be continued)
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 6:23pm On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: I'll only reply you when you get your senses. From what is coming out of your mouth, you took more than you were supposed to take. Overdose could be dangerous, you know?
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 3:26pm On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: You're indeed "wise" as your people always claim, not wanting to debate but to be engaged in insults.
yet another insult. My past efforts in attempting to debate with you did not yield anything. You wanted the thread closed as you tried to chicken out. Afterwards, you refused to have an open mind as you childishly kept reposting your previous posts. You are stubbornly spineless, shamelessly loudmouthed, and ethnically biased. God help your miserable and putrid soul.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:51pm On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: I've not insulted you, like you do to other people. I only told you what your comments portray you as. I'm waiting and will engage you in a debate. If you resort to insult, I'll leave you to heaping it on yourself.
me...debate with you? That will be a wasted effort.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:33pm On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: If you've read the interview and are still saying this, it means you have a probem - bigotry. Think about it.
oh now you've resorted to insults? Just wait for me...
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 1:01pm On May 31, 2013
[quote author=Ola Johnson]You did. You and other "Jews" didn't even read Wole Soyinka's interview before you started using abusive words on him and saying the LIVING LEGEND is jealous of the LATE CHINUA ACHEBE, that I pray should REST IN PEACE. The interview, if you have any problem with it which I guess could be its grammar, ask for clarification. WS only confirmed CA's position that he shouldn't be called father of African literature. CA knew he never was, not in death. I ask again, if you are able to tell me one person apart from Nadine Gordimer that says that, I will quit this thread. [/quote

there you go again with your costly assumptions. Who told you i have not read the interview saharareporters did with soyinka? Who told you and soyinka that gordimer called achebe 'father of african literature'? Who told you kenyan and ghanaian literary scholars in their tribute didnt acknowleged achebe's pioneering and mentorship role in mordern african literature, thereby refering him as the father of it? Who says cnn, bbc, aljazeera, chinapost, forbes, hindutimes, etc are not critics in their own right in appraising popular figures?
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 12:18pm On May 31, 2013
funnyx: Your can keep barking for all I care it obviously change nothing especially as your anger cannot be transmitted on a faceless forum grin grin To disagree that Achebe is not the father of African literature does not translate to being anti Achebe.
Also to disagree on Igbo traditional system of govt does not translate to beibg anti igbo. All you need to do is to provide him with your evidence and debate rather than barking and being abusive . Unfortunately you cannot hit me online grin grin I can simply choose to ignore whatever you post back simples.
laughing jackass, when bigotry tries to defy intellectual fact and common sense, the only solution to it is KILLING IT. By the way who says i don't welcome disagreements? But i don't entertain tribal insults too. Someone trying to tell me igbos don't have a traditional system of govt is an INSULT to we igbos. Some belittling achebe's achievements to mere storytelling is an INSULT to african literature and to the memory of achebe. Downplaying the honorific given to achebe by gordimer which resonates the world over from many literary circles to world renowned media centres is an INSULT to his enthusiasts. achebe graciously ignoring it does not mean he wasn't deserving of it.
Funnyx, once again, stay off me. If you just want to be noticed, fine, i have noticed you. If you snoop around me again, you will know that bites can be received online.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 11:10am On May 31, 2013
Ola Johnson: This thread has been infested by illiterates who were probably taught by the same people that "taught" the ESUT FOUR. It is a show of illiteracy for you to say a person whose stand is different from yours is a bigot.
you know you are fooling yourself, trying to act like you are not the infester. Who dosen't know that ola johnson is a tribalistic, incorrigible, and repugnant nairalander? You (alongside cameroonpride and co) poisoned this post with your bigotry. Percip1 got infected. Stop playing rational when you know WE KNOW you are irate.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 10:40am On May 31, 2013
funnyx: Can't you make your point without being abusive? Must every poster agree with your point of view? You call someone a bigot but judging by your posts you're bigotry personified. I just hope you are not like this in real life undecided
keep quiet before you wish i never faced you. If you have been following my post on this thread from the beginning you'd realise how wrong you are.
Where were you when the anti-achebe and anti-igbo posts infested this thread? Its so bad that someone mockingly said igbos have no traditional system of govt! I know their subtlety even if you are blind to that.
Funnyx, lay low, or get hit, that's my advise to you. Now get off my back.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 6:06am On May 31, 2013
percipi1: Are you that thick? What does my running a private library got to do with you. If you have problem understanding people, its okay to ask question, it does not diminish your intelligence. But if you get annoy just because someone has something you don't , its a serious problem.
...and seriously, you think you've made a strong statement right?
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m): 5:41am On May 31, 2013
My God, the facts are out there for everyone to see. Even wikipedia has REFERENCES on it! Precip1 or whatever you freaking name is, you are a sadistic igbophobe. Igbo system of government is known to be quasi-democratic/republican in most areas. Ours was just as republican as that of ancient europe but not necessarily the same model. Eat your words...again.
PoliticsRe: Wole Soyinka's Interview About Chinua Achebe by SonOfEl(m):
percipi1: I do not think we need to debate the criteria for the system of governments that is acceptable in civilised climes. You just need a text book on Government or political science.. No where in the textbook is family representative authority as applicable in ancient Alaigbo considered a system of government.
you are stupid and bigoted in saying igbo society had no system of government. The igbo society enjoyed both constitutional monarchy and republican systems of goverment, not necessarily suited after the european model. The ewe people of ghana were also republican in their style of government, yet it wasnt after the european model. Every seasoned anthropologist and political historian knows these, am not surprised you don't. Bigot.

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