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cjrane:
In any case, the dam was built with 100% oil money from Niger Delta.
Infact, abooki should be re-paying back the billions of dollars used for Kainji dam as loan. Afterall if World Bank or IMF gave them the money, they would be paying back for that dam now.

Blue3k:
Good fiscal federalism for everone. No more sharing make your own cash. Let's keep our oil revenue pay tax. Keep power generation profits. Everyone's state manage economy no more excuses no more secession agitation. We'll weed out the weak poor states from industrious states.
Let's see truly how everyone fairs if the have to look out for themselves without federal government paternalistic/parasitic tendencies. Let's start this please.
Take mineral and land rights out of domain of federal government and give it to citezens. Let us directly earn royalty from it. This will shut even up ounce and for all time.

I dont know if the both of you are igbos or South-southernerns, but i think you people are the problems of yourselves.
Igbos should not cry more than the bereaved because most of the oil belongs to the SS. because i have observed that igbos are louder than the original owners of the oil.

As for the South-southernerns, why are your leaders not united on these issues? Why dont you people form a strong partnership with the SouthEast and SouthWest leaders in order to make your voices louder? There is no way the north can supress you all if you are united.
Your house cannot be in disunity and you want your voice to be heard.
If you people want seccesion, why did most of you betray the igbos when they wanted out of Nigeria with Biafra together with you?

cjrane:
In any case, the dam was built with 100% oil money from Niger Delta.
Infact, abooki should be re-paying back the billions of dollars used for Kainji dam as loan. Afterall if World Bank or IMF gave them the money, they would be paying back for that dam now.

Pls take your lies to the thrash. As at the time the Kainji dam was built, oil was not yet the major means of income for Nigeria. The dam was built in the early 60's.

cjrane:
[size=15pt]Keep deceiving your self with the devil's lie that abooki paid for oil exploration with groundnut money.

Just in case you didn't know, in the 1960s each region paid 50% derivation on cocoa, Palm oil and groundnuts which were their chief export. Out of those funds, the FG paid for the first JOINT VENTURE with Shell to explore oil in Oloibiri areas. So in that case, palm oil and cocoa from Eastern and Western regions which contributed more to the federation account actually accounted more for the 50% the FG paid in joint venture. However, since the oil was discovered, it is the north that has enjoyed the lion share of the benefits of oil.

Speaking of Abuja, if you didn't have more to gain by putting the capital in the north, why didn't you make Enugu or Calabar or even Idah the capital of Nigeria instead of Abuja? These areas would have gladly taken compensation for their land used to build those shinning super structures in Abuja.

At no point in Nigeria's history had the north been richer than the south . Truth be told, the British brought Nigeria together because they wanted the wealth in the south to develop the north. This would not have been a problem if the north did not go a step further to not only give themselves the lion share of the resources of southerners, but also treat southern Nigeria as a conquered territory.

That is why the youths of the south are mobilizing for a war of freedom against the total domination and internal colonization by the north. This war will still happen, whether in 7 months or 7 years, the southern youths are increasingly resolving to fight for liberation and freedom, unless Nigeria is restructured to be fair and equitable to everyone and not just the northerners gaining from the lopsided structural arrangement and fake constitution their past military juntas imposed upon us to make the south perpetual slaves to the north.[/size]

Pls we are civilized people here, stop using derogatory names to adress people.

And let me make this clear to you. I am absolutely not against the rights of people. I myself fully support a functional regional government where everyone controls his/her rescources and pay tax to the centre. But for us to make our agitations known we must not go around insulting people or calling them names.

I never said that it was groundnut money of the north that developed the oil industry, never force words in peoples mouth. And besides, i wonder why you people are fund of debasing the value of the north. Was it only groundnut that the north was exporting? What about the Tin and columbite mining in Jos which generated the largest revenue to the country in the minning sector? What about Cotton and Hides & Skins? The north as a whole was contributing nothing less than one third of the national income and all of these put together was what was used in developing the oil sector. It was collective wealth and not individual wealth.

Pls, dont think it is all of us who are afraid of regional control of rescources. My region has the largest fertile landmass in probably West africa as a whole, we have so much tourist attraction potentials, we still have our minerals too. Oil has made Nigeria lazy which is very terrible.

Talking about Abuja, Abuja was a city created to be in the centre of Nigeria for all Nigerians devoid of the ethnic domination of the 3 major tribes. So there would have been no other perfect place for the situation of FCT than central Nigeria.

Nobody is afraid of a war as such, but i think it is best to channel the war to the appropriate quarters.
With all the oil derivation you people are getting, how much has your region developed? Even if the whole oil is allowed to you all, the same scene will still play out.

The northern masses are not enjoying the oil wealth as you people are shouting day and night. It is just the few northern elites who have also connived with your own elites to appropriate the funds to their families. So at the end of the day, we can see that the real problem of the black race is not just rescource control, it is only the poorer people you see shouting, insulting and killing themselves over these issues while our rich elites meet on a round table, discuss and share the money among each other.

Brilliant write up

Igbos like to shout anyhow, claiming what the South-south has achieved. Nonsense.

What is the percentage of the oil palm produced by the whole south east compared to the Tin and columbite produced by only one single city JOS?

Igbos like to shout anyhow, claiming what the South-south has achieved. Nonsense.
What is the percentage of the oil palm produced by the whole south east compared to the Tin and columbite produced by only one single city JOS? Mtchww

Igbos like to shout anyhow, claiming what the South-south has achieved. Nonsense.
What is the percentage of the oil palm produced by the whole south east compared to the Tin and columbite produced by only one single city JOS?

Igboid:
Nna, leave that matter for Matthias for now.

We have common foe, ie the North and their Yoruba Muslim brothers.

No need splitting hairs over irrelevant semantics for now. Whether Niger Delta or Eastern region, we are all saying same thing. If you put just Eastern region, you exclude the Western Igbos, if you put just Niger Delta, you exclude Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyi.

So, you see, it doesn't matter either of the terms we use, what matters is that we establish the fact that the Yorubas and the North had always been lacking, which is why they are still clinging unto Nigerian unity till today.

Udo.

pls u guys should stop generalizing the north! Differentiate the middlebelt region in all these nonsense! because my city Jos produced Tin and columbite which was a major contributor to the national wealth.

bayelsaowei:
so 70 percent isn't the sole means via which we generate revenue then what is...

What other sectors is the dullard channeling resources to other than still the oil......

So you think you could come up with this lame topic in order to water down the quest of the Niger delta struggle..??..For the same electricity we pay for??...

SairikiDurri:
stop this already debunked lie.
The oil industry was developed by Multi-National companies who invested their own money to explore and start drilling operations.
There is nothing your useless FG and stup1d Nigeria has done for the ND.
Rather we have been subsidizing your parasitic north and SW since 1914!
Also see this thread and see how ND and SE where the richest region
https://www.nairaland.com/3340447/annual-report-1914-oil-palm

Nobody is watering down anything. The fact that all attention lies on one person today does not mean it will continue forever. When GEJ was in power, what exactly did he do to promote the ND struggle and rights? Nothing. Nobody can help you if you cannot help yourself first.
It was a northerner who started the amnesty program and the increased derivation to oil producing state. It was a northerner who created the Bayelsa state u ijaws are now taking pride in.
Obasanjo your fellow southerner chose to wipe out a whole community belonging to you guys but a northerner never did that to you. Why the unnecesary hate against the north?

The curse of the black race. When will we be free from this?

bayelsaowei:
how much money and forex would the dam provide for Nigeria? ?...I hope you do know oil and gas is not just for power generation it's the sole means via which Nigeria makes money...can the dam suffice that??

Pls use your tenses right. The last time i checked, crude oil accounts just 70% of the national revenue and not the sole means.

Sometimes when we talk, let us talk in respect to future sight. The fact that President Buhari is now channeling rescources to the development of other sectors shows that he himself is not comfortable with the nation's over dependence on crude oil. Oil did not just become the country's main means of generating revenue overnight. It took a period of development and investment for it to attain it's height.

cjrane:
[size=15pt]Bro, you have time to waste explaining to greedy abookis

They will soon ask for rent for non-northern presidents to pay in Aso rock.As if the money for the building came from the north.

They should go ahead and nationalize not just Kainji dam, but the roads in the north and the Mambilla dam. All these projects by the way are built 100% with money from the Niger Delta.

Everything the north could have contributed to the national economy,such as Cement, and solid minerals, they made those into private businesses so that their will deny Nigeria the benefit of sharing those resources with the south. But for resources in the south, it is controlled wholly by Federal Government so that they can annex the proceeds from it and use it to largely fund projects in Fulani land under the guise of the dubious "One Nigeria".[/size]

Ok, and if i may ask, which money was used in developing the oil and gas industries in the past? Was it the private money of Southernerns? No, it was the collective wealth of agriculture all Nigerians.

Talking about Abuja, do you know the sacrifice which the FCT indigenes paid? They lost their ancestral land and heritage forever. Its not as if the land was a complete virgin land. These people no longer have a lot of rights in their ancestral homeland, they can never become governors and worst of they dont produce ministers. Lets not go to that topic.

somegirl1:

You clearly do not appreciate the damage caused over the years to the environment by oil extraction activities.
The riverine people, especially, have lost their main source of livelihood and income -fishing.
Could the same be said about indigenes of Taraba and Niger states?
Besides as someone have already pointed out, electricity is paid for by individual households. Apples and oranges.

Yes, i know the damage being caused by crude oil exploration, but at least, over the years the FG has made concerted efforts to see to this menace.

However do you think that the water used in producing the electricity is not affected at all? Of course it is. The water used in the dams is returned back to its source heated with a different temperature than the original water body and this alters the original climatic settings of the environment which could also be affecting natural marine life.

VulgarVulvas:
Keep your damn kanji damn for yourselves.

If you like stop supplying electricity to ND and SE.

It's not as if the electricity is provided free to us.

We have a sea of natural gas to easily generate 50,000 MW.


Keep your Yeye damn electricity and give us full resource control and see if we have time for kanji dam.

Ughelli gas plant produces more electrify consistently than kanji that only operates near full capacity during the rainy season.

@Bolded, there is nowhere in the world that electricity is free, even in United states where they generate all forms of energy.
Do you think that the bills you pay is what is used in the maintenance of the machineries and functioning of the power dams? Hell no, the bills you pay are used mostly for provision of transformers, high tension wires and installments to supply the electricity to the streets and houses e.t.c

You guys have the mouths to boast today because the federal govt invested much into crude oil exploration. If we the northernerns get as much federal govt investments into this hydropower generation, we can supply energy to meet the demand of the whole Nigeria and even other countries, there are many waterfalls in the north.
The north would have been more active also if the FG invested more into agriculture and natural minerals exploration as u can hear Nickel has been discovered in Kaduna state in commercial quantities, Gold in Kano state, Uranium in the NorthWest and many more.
You can see that President Buhari is now channeling his efforts to diversifying the economy by tapping into all these.

VulgarVulvas:
Go here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Nigeria and see where all your power plants are and what they are powered by.

Out of 27 currently operational power plants in Nigeria only 4 are hydro stations . The rest are powered by Niger Delta gas.

Stop being an ingrate .

Without Niger delta gas you will be living in the Victorian era powered by candles .

If this Hydropower dam in Taraba state is completed, hydropower energy generation will equal or surpass gas power generation, because currently hydropower generation is slightly above one-third of the total power generation of Nigeria.

aribisala0:
Actually the water originates in Guinea and flows through several states in Nigeria not one. At any rate the hydroelectric power plants are not the major contributors to power.
Kainji Dam was built on condition that a major chunk of power goes to Niger republic. If any of the countries upstream decides to divert the Niger what can we do about it

Not all the hydro power stations have their source in the river Niger. The one to be built in Taraba does not have its source in River Niger.

aventura:
but money was ploughed into the water falls in the creation of dams. It's not like the water fall itself generates electricity on it's own.

Money was also invested in crude oil exploration and refinning

aventura:
money from where? And don't forget there are other ways of building a dam that doesn't invovle the situation of a water fall.

What other ways can hydro electric power be generated from water apart from waterfalls?

Sealeddeal:
OP, is Hydropower classified as one of the natural resources in Nigeria?

aventura:
Is hydroplant now a natural resource? Some people sha

Waterfalls and all water bodies are nature's endowments. They can be classified together with Natural rescources.

Decibel:
Is Port Harcourt in South East?

GeoPolitically south south, regionally east/south, culturally i can't say

Decibel:
Is Taraba a North Central state?

Taraba is north east geopolitically, but it is culturally middlebelt and geographically Central Niger area.

Taraba is not core hausa north. It is minority tribes dominated.

For over a decade now, the Niger deltan region has been agitating for increased national allocation from the federal government due to the fact that their region produces much of Nigerian revenue from Oil exploration.

Niger state on the other hand which is a state in the Central region of Nigeria has 2 of the powerful water dams in Nigeria which produces almost all the hydro electric power being used for the whole of Nigeria for so many decades now.
Now, another hydro power dam is being built in Mambilla, Taraba state, central Nigeria, and this dam is built to be the largest Hydropower station in Africa which will increase power for the whole Nigeria......

https://www.nairaland.com/3339922/engineers-begin-work-mambilla-hydro-power

The question is that since states in the Niger delta region are getting additional national allocation for their crude oil, what about Niger and Taraba states and their hydro electric power generation for the whole country??

Would they be wrong if they start a similar agitation?

ANBAKO:
Great news if this is true. Hopefully we will be able to add 3000MW to our national grid.

My concerns here are as follows: The national grid is moribund. It needs total overhaul hence all these will be futile effort.

Secondly, The Chinese are a serious concern. They come here to execute project without leaving any form of skill acquisition, employ zero skilled labor. The laborer that they employ are paid peanuts. These Chinese even come here with Chinese painters, mason plumbers etc. I pray Ngige will look into this and make sure human resources from Nigeria are well represented.

For the man asking where the water is? River Niger or Benue.....Mambilla is in Adamawa....Does River Niger pass through Adamawa?

Do good for good to come your way!!!

Mambilla is in Taraba state pls, not Adamawa

As from today, i no want tall guys again o I repent.

queencalipso:
The example you gave with your friend does not hold water because she from a religiously mixed family and a product of inter tribal marriage. North central and core north. Am talking of a core northern Muslim girl with no mixed blood where both parents have same opinion.

Where is the mother of Rochas okorocha and was she officially married to his father?

As for Omar, I don't think the marriage came easy if indeed there was a marriage. Perhaps we need to read more about it.

As per your last paragraph, your thread isn't talking about dating but marriage. I don't need to ask anyone about the dating aspect cz I live in their midst and I can see things for my self. Lots of our girls date them too but only few go as far as marrying them.

Yes indeed. The cultural gap between the Christian South and the Core north is very very wide and the religious difference is even very wider. But for we North centrals, the gap between us and both the core north is quite narrow. Hope u know that the former governor of Taraba state Danbaba Suntai is a christian while his legally married wife is a shuwa arab muslim from Borno state? Their daughter is a christian and some time ago she married a hausa muslim man. This is very common in some parts of the north east like Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe, Borno because most of the hausa-fulanis and kanuris there have mixed with minority tribes who have large christian populations.

Core northernerns and Southernerns (especially Igbos & SS) are the main issue and wall against complete cultural integration of Nigeria.
The average igbo mother will tell her son god forbid to bring a hausa muslim as a wife. I have even seen cases whereby northcentral women who married Igbo men were seen as hausa women by their mother-in-laws and thereby maltreated. I think the blame is on both sides.

Igbos and hausas should learn from we middlebelters and yorubas. We promote intertribal, inter religious and inter regional marriages more than anyone else.

malton:
A man with money is a man of many tribes and faces.

A lot of it is down to perspective. Some parents are averse to their children marrying someone from a different tribe, yet will pray and fast that a foreigner locates the very same girl.

This shouldn't even be an issue to begin with. But no, a lot of parents play the tribal card robbing it off of their children in order to ensure the continuity of their destructive tendencies.

I met a girl here in the east months back. She's based in Abuja, very nice and so well mannered. We got talking, one gist led to the other, I asked her, "how did you find yourself here in unizik considering the many schools up North?" "didn't they take you?". And she told me that prior to enrolling in unizik, she was a student of uni Abuja. I noticed that she held a deep breath before letting that out. So I probed further. She ended up opening up. Told me her parents changed her school because they didn't approve of her mixing up with Northerners, and as a majority of her male friends from school were from the north, they feared she might end up marrying a northerner. My eyes almost got teary. In my heart, I was like, not again!

Thing is, a lot of parents let their beef from before rob off on us. We must learn to free our minds from hate. I shouldn't have to hate an innocent kid over my father's dislike for his mom. That's their beef, I ain't got nothing to do with that. You may pass on someone who could have changed your life one way or the other, over what? Nada. Just sheer hatred.

Politicians especially have really messed with our heads.
Yet, their kids mingle the most with folks from the other side. Those people want their wards to have everything they try to deny of us of. That seed of discord is relative.


However, intertribal marriages have been on a steady increase lately. Two of my uncles are happily married to Igbo women. Tribe, religion and race are the "mainest" bane of human development.

If no be say money yab man, as I dey leave this town next month, na to marry Ifeoma for sure pass. Very lovely people!

Wow, this post is so touching...nothing but the truth....am shedding tears already

waternogetenemy:
This is not common at all.


In fact the marriage seems to be between South and North Central tribes that are closer to the South. Idoma, Igala, Nupe(Niger State), Tiv, Taraba, Southern Kaduna and Plateau.



Regardless, they are very few.

No o, it is not as few as you think o. So many girls from my place Jos and Kaduna do get married to Igbos, yorubas and SouthSouth and even our guys too and this is because so many Southernerns reside here. Not to talk of Igala and Idoma people who are very close to igbos and marry igbos a lot. An igala friend of mine, 3 of her sisters married igbos and a Deltan.

See this lady, a Tv host from Kaduna state Rachael Kuzayet, she was married to a Deltan before, they broke up and she is now together with John Fashanu, a yoruba man

queencalipso:
Op, I will agree with your notion only if you can provide a pic of a core northern Muslim girl not north centrals o!! That got married to a Christian southerner or easterner. All you have showed is our longer throat southern and eastern girls who got married to money.

And before you dispute me, know that am Igbo, born and raised in the north and currently still here. And I make bold to say that no core northern Muslim girl will dare to marry a Christian southerner or easterner without having her head on the platter, unless she can convert him or run away with him. In the absence of these, she can never get the blessing of her people. They will rather have her head. So for those of us who are raised in core north, your notion is false.

You are quite correct. Marriage between Core northern muslim girls and Southern men is very very rare, but i have seen a case where it happened.
It happened where i lived, the girl had a hausa father and she was a muslim while her mother was from kogi state and and from a religiously mixed family and they were living in Kogi. The girl came to Jos to stay with her mother's sister who is a christian and that was how she was influenced and ended up marrying a Deltan who she met in Jos and she is a christian today. Her mother approved the marriage with much persuasion probably because she is from a mixed family but the father never approved it but managed to give his blessings.

Do u also know of Ike Omar Nwachukwu? An igbo elder statesman, his mother is a fulani muslim woman from a royal family in Katsina state, and his mother's parents did not kill his mother when she married a christian.
What about Gov Rochas Okorocha? His mother is from Plateau state and she was a muslim, though i can't confirm her tribe but she is so likely to be hausa or plateau indigene muslim

Hausa-fulanis are extremely strict with religion and we know that, even their sons will find it very difficult to bring in southern or christian women home for marriage. Hausas are also very conservative in nature and the average southern guy will find it very difficult to approach a hausa girl for marriage unlike North-central and yoruba muslims who are not very conservative, hence intermarriage between Northcentral muslim ladies and christian men is very common.

However, when it comes to dating and relationships, hausa-fulani girls do date Christian men especially if the guy can speak hausa well, my brother and some of my male friends have dated some. Ask youth corpers who came from the south to serve in the core- north, they will tell you about hausa girls.

The mods should help us push this thread to frontpage
Rocktation, farano, lalasticlala. Let us promoto regional integration is Nigeria through inter marriage.

genieluv:
IamLeger or whatever you call yourself, can't u be civilised for once? This was exactly how you trolled on OP's thread on the beauty of Jos girls and now u are here.
Former Senator of Kogi state, Hassan Kadiri is married to an Igbo woman. Can u dispute that?

This is also a friend of mine, she is from Benue and married to an Akwa Ibom man

My dear, don't mind that guy, some people just have no direction and purpose in whatever they do, what a jobless dude.
And i wish your friend a happy married life, they look good together.

Elder statesman, Jerry Gana from Niger state, his son is married to this beautiful lady from Cross River state

Nigerian gospel artiste Solomon Lange is from Kaduna state, his lovely wife Flora is igbo.

This is Agwumage Emmanuella and Bernard Momoh
Kogi bride and Edo groom......so beautiful