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Islam will conquer the world abi? When are we going to tell ourselves the truth about terrorism -the truth which is "eradicate Islam you eradicate terrorism. Anyway that is what the battle of Armageddon is all about

The church of God is the pillar and ground of truth(1st Tim 3:15) and not that physical enclave people attach divinity to, so that when you don't go to church it's like you are not worshipping God. When you attach divinity to any thing in the physical realm you become an idolater, that was the problem between the law and faith. I stopped church membership over 18 years ago. When you truly become a sheep of his heritage you will learn to dwell solitary (Micah 7:14), and that anointing shall feed you as in ancient times, then you will see the true episunagogee(Heb 10:26) ie the heavenly assembly. The word church is not the same thing as ekklesia-it was wrongly translated.

These men are hirelings.They are in the ministry for fame, money and power, and love to control men's lives(man is the only creature God did allow man to have dominion over). Take away these three trappings they will abandon their post. Shame on them.

How intelligent are you"Prof" Oyebode? The way you try insulting the President of this great country you sound like a dullard to me. How did you get your Ph.d? I guess by some wishy-washy thesis that can't rank among your peers. Please keep silent if you don't have intelligible contributions to make.

I think a new strain of Ebola virus has emerged with an incubation period greater than 21 days. Its s a peculiar Nigerian strain

Christian Oyakhilome is not a Man of God but A God of Men

Christian Oyakhilome, please don`t be a fool, remember 1Tim 5:8. Providing for your household does not entail money alone. Your wife is the weaker vessel you must dwell with her and honor her. She cannot in anyway hamper the ministry. Do not compare your wife with your senior pastor, she is your wife. What is happening now is God through Anita speaking to you to adjust certain ways of your life. Remember Jimmy Swaggart, Earl Paulk, Jim Bakker, etc. If she wants certain changes bothering on lifestyle, heed her. Stop this posturing and take example from Benny Hinn, when he had issues with his wife. If you do not adjust certain aspects of your life, your preaching days which started when I firsdt met you in Edo College in 1975 as SU president may soon be over. God has spoken through Anita

Medical doctors are nobodies, let's forget about them. They are only medical technicians with their MBBS, and professional terrorists. Let's retrain our nurses, virologist, lab scientist, traumatologist, and other health sector personnel. That's how we can move forward

Please allow others to be involved in patient care and contact. It is not your sole right and responsibility. Healthcare is a team approach. Enough of this professional bullying, or you guys are going to get it hot from me. 70% of your management is through drug administration and interaction, which you come a distant second to the pharmacist. I advise you to stick to corrective procedures, as I forsee this is an exclusive place for you. We cyber judges will give you a fair judgement in that arena.

armade: [b][/b]Finally you say what you wanted all along. Point of correction pharmacist you do not prescribe apart from over the counter drugs.

If you want to be involved in patient contact and care you know what to do

By saying the truth? I know Nigerians do not like the truth. MBBS holders are not doctors by qualification. Their certificate bearers testimony to that fact. MD is not the same as MBBS, you take more years to qualify and you write a thesis . If you are a medical doctor in Nigeria, bring out your certificate and read it, you will see you are erroneously called doctors. YOU are indeed the problem wrong with Nigeria for trying to hoodwink its citizens. However people like us try to put things in its right perspective. Shame on all you self named doctors. You will be dymistified.

ylifeisagift: No offence intended but U are definitely what is wrong with Nigeria.

Governor Oshiomhole should ASAP organize a competency test for medical doctors. The misdiagnosis in our health sector is becoming alarming. Comrade Governor please come to our aid.

But each should present his or her write up reflecting his thinking on a subject area

anergy: Yes. Must a research be done by one person? No, it depends on the type of research, scope of research, resources require, knowledge base etc. Many medical research cut across my specialties and hence each individual or specialist contribute accurately to the research. Lastly, a rural posting report may not be the same as the final research work depending on the institution.

What was your own thesis statement in your community health project? What was your own contribution to the body of knowledge? Since the title "doctor" is individualized I expected MBBS doctors to do his or her own write up individually as its done in other disciplines. It therefore follows thar the basic qualification of MBBS in Nigeria is not designed to train its graduate to do independent research work.

anergy: A thesis is a statement which is a key element to a good research paper. Research is a kind of project 'cos every research has its scope of work, time-line and resources. That is why research work is interrelate with a project. In fact every research work works on basis of a well devise project plan. Many medical researches are group research with each person contributing base on area of specialty and experience. An undergraduate medical research is done by 3 or 4 students at 500l or 600l and this is diff from a rural posting/community base experience and services write up done @200l and 300l (by about 15 students in my sch) The principle of team work and interdependence in health care is inculcated hence the reason for the group write up and the final research work @500 or 600l(by 3 students in my school). The undergraduate medical research work is usually done in community health 'cos the specialty covers majority of the specialties in medicine and offers a wide area for research for an undergraduate who has not decided on an area of specialization

General practitioner, etc. Eg GP Charles Enabulele. If your certificate does not read doctor. You have no right to try and stop others who want to be addressed as doctors by their certificate and practice. The word doctor is not the exclusive preserve of MBBS holders in Nigeria. Please check other health care providers in other countries.

korm2me: see ur reasoning, tell what they should be called.

The question again if you did not get it. MBBS holders do not individually undergo separate research work. What they do is, they go in groups to villages and write observational reports of whatever. You must individually through separate work prove your prowess in research which the MBBS holders do not. The queation is, do the MBBS holders do "group project work in Com. Health. Yes or No.

lomaxx: And one fellow was there yapping that the research done by medical students before graduation is not research. He called it a "group project". And because it is done by a group it's not a research. If you have the time and knowledge , exposé him to the concept of research, the methods of research and if possible, guidelines. If you don't, let it slide. He can go learn for himself.

Is it only the MBBS holder that is taught holistic patient management? Do you think the little one year course in pharmacolgy or laboratory medicine is enough for MBBS holders to lay claim as lord and master in this areas? Are MBBS holders the only ones that are taught clinical psychology? Do your job and allow others do their job. Do not dictate to others what they know better you. You are exposed to all aspects of health care because you prevent others who have the right to do so. That is why you are MASTERS OF NONE?

lomaxx: There goes the ranting of someone who believes patient management is all about drug use, drug interaction and laboratory diagnosis.

Young man, there's a reason doctors are taught pharmacology and laboratory medicine in Part 2. And that's only in Part 2. So calm your nerves. You'd rather we knew nothing about it right? Funny haha.

Being a doctor gives you a privileged exposure to all aspects of healthcare. So that when a patient presents before you, you'll treat patient management as a holistic affair - including his/her psychology.

You're just ranting balderdash. Just go find somewhere siddon

[quote author=naijaking1]Studying Optometry is more demanding than Medicine. Checkout opinions in the University of Benin

I like your take, so let me make some points for yo.
First of all, the civil service rules and procedures lumping all doctors in all parts of the country into one pay scale is wrong and over due for change, just like lumping all university professors into one pay scale without regard to their local market is wrong, and not consistent with free market economics. It's unfortunate to have strikes and industrial actions by nurse, doctors, professors/teacher, court workers, etc

Allied health workers(Pharmacists, Med lab techs(( I know someone will begin to correct me that its 'scientist', it's not)), physical therapists, respiratory therapists, etc) understand the limited scope of their profession right from their school days. Some of these professions, though essential are never a do or die for the well trained doctor. I know, because I trained as a medical lab tech, though we called ourselves scientist, because it was more prestigious before going to medical school, spent 5 more years, and have continued in residency and fellowships for the past 9 years.

Some allied health courses last from 6 months to 2 or 4 years, and they are focused on their areas only.
If you own a hospital, you would like someone who knows a thing or two about every aspect of medicine in charge, I mean from anatomy to basic science, to diagnostics, to different types of therapy(note pharmacists know only one form of therapy(pharmacology), there are others out there like radiation, counseling, and pyshycotherapy the pharmacist has no clue about), to pyschology/psychiatry, to administration, to teaching younger medical students. If you replace an engineer who oversees everything about your building project with a carpenter just because he said he wants to enjoy being called an engineer too, what happens to the plumbing, electrical, and even painting aspects of the building?

A self respecting pharmacist would never accept to be appointed chief medical director of a hospital even for one day, because he or she was never trained as such, but we have the Nigerian situation where people want gratuity without ever doing the work.
Nursing is almost as old as being a physician. A nurse who is not proud to be called a nurse should never have been a nurse in the first place. And they should really move on, that was why I had many nurses in my medical school class. Nurses rise in their own rank structure, and happily too. Trying to confuse patients with doctors' appallation and titles is simply an identity crises. There used to be a chief matron at UNTH Enugu who was so well respected by both doctors and nurses, that she would scoff at being called a consultant!

Like some one said, all these struggle for the doctors' title, position, and pay is akin to sharing the national cake, unfortunately, nobody wants to scramble for the doctors mountainous years of study/education, the doctors unholy hours of work, and the doctors comprehensive understanding of the patient.

"DOCTORS" of MBBS, it seems this title of doctor has gotten into your heads and it's responsible for this unholy 24 point demand. You do not know drug use and drug interaction like the pharmacist. You are threatened by the Lab Scientist because gone are the days you look at someone nose and eye and say they have malaria. With increasing demand for evidence based practice, you are finding out you need the medical labs more and more. The advent of in- vitro diagnostics by the medlabs is reducing your scope further. Is that why you are asking the government not to allow them practice their profession. Why won't you allow others expand a technique that is within their ambit of practice? Is it because they call you "DOCTOR"? Show me why you should be called DOCTOR. Is there any anywhere in your certificate that gives you the right to call yourselves doctors? If none, then why are against other who want to call themselves doctors? Who and what gives you that right?
Answer these questions and I would recant my previous comment. With all the misdiagnosis in our hospitals, you are asking for salary increment. I think is time we DYMISTIFY this TITLE called DOCTOR. Is time we allow those involved in drug management monitor their patient they prescribe the drug for. Those involved in evidence based diagnostics should be allowed to expand their capabilities. There is no sense in "DOCTORS" of MBBS in insisting they should determine salaries and extent of human capacity development of other health care profession because they are erroneously called DOCTORS.

It is a group project work and not an individual thesis work. A project is different from a theisis. In a thesis there must be a thesis and an Antithesis (What is now called a null and an alternate hypothesis). There must be something you are trying to contribute to the body of knowledge. It must be on an individual platform and not a group work. Why only community health? What of other areas of medicine)

anergy: You are wrong. A medical student is required to carry out a research work/ project b/4 becoming a medical doctor. In many institutions, the research work is done in a Public/Community Health specialty. Pls, alway try to get your facts right.

"DOCTORS" of MBBS, it seems this title of doctor has gotten into your heads and it's responsible for this unholy 24 point demand. You do not know drug use and drug interaction like the pharmacist. You are threatened by the Lab Scientist because gone are the days you look at someone nose and eye and say they have malaria. With increasing demand for evidence based practice, you are finding out you need the medical labs more and more. The advent of in- vitro diagnostics by the medlabs is reducing your scope further. Is that why you are asking the government not to allow them practice their profession. Why won't you allow others expand a technique that is within their ambit of practice? Is it because they call you "DOCTOR"? Show me why you should be called DOCTOR. Is there any anywhere in your certificate that gives you the right to call yourselves doctors? If none, then why are against other who want to call themselves doctors? Who and what gives you that right?
Answer these questions and I would recant my previous comment. With all the misdiagnosis in our hospitals, you are asking for salary increment. I think is time we DYMISTIFY this TITLE called DOCTOR. Is time we allow those involved in drug management monitor their patient they prescribe the drug for. Those involved in evidence based diagnostics should be allowed to expand their capabilities. There is no sense in "DOCTORS" of MBBS in insisting they should determine salaries and extent of human capacity development of other health care profession because they are erroneously called DOCTORS.

DOCTORS AGAIN-You can be a called a doctor in two ways 1. By Nomenclature. Anybody who cares for a patient and is suitably qualified to care for that patient. eg medical doctors, nurses, pharmacist, medical scientist,optometrists, dentist etc provided you care for a patient. This is the dictionary definition. 2. By qualification. When your certificate carries an appellation of DOCTOR by a recognized institution. By this our medical boctors have no right to call themselves doctors since their certificate carries the appellation Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery. The word DOCTOR comes from the root word teacher, this means you must have been proven to have a doctrine(by the way of a thesis). Our present medical doctors do not carry out a research thesis before graduation so CANNOT BE CALLED DOCTORS by qualification, unlike in the US where they award MD. Why all this story? There is nothing special about medical doctors that make them think that other professions must be downgraded because the government positioned them as the leader of the health care team. Methink because if this appellation called DOCTOR that makes them think they are special. Since they are doctors by nomenclature, pharmacists, medlab, nurses etc can be called doctors and deserve the same recognition as our dear medical doctors. Only Optometrists and pharmacists(UNIBEN) are doctors by qualification and nomenclature.