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PreacherX:
You have forgotten that most of this ladies you are comparing with Sansa are dead, what makes her different is she's still alive... She knew the best way to get away with Ramsey is to escape not by killing him which she tried, remember what happened to the lady that tried to kill Ramsey.

So what y'all don't know is, doing something you know will definitely kill you is not true bravery, that's being a coward. But enduring to stay alive is true bravery!

You have forgotten that which is dead may never die... Lol
They will all eventually die.... If peradventure they manage to somehow escape the night king
Even if they don't die in the series

All these women didn't die useless
Another useless somebody is Rickon Stark but he is dead
So, sansa better start being useful or she dead
But i am tired seeing her being a punching bag and taking so many hits
I won't be surprised if little finger still fingers her brain again
She trusts too much, almost everyone manipulated her
Like i said earlier i'd prefer being the dead queen Margaery than this living useless sansa version

Arya wasn't even happy someone else killed jeoffrey
She matured quickly

Seems like i just happen to have time today

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I don't see how Sansa Stark is useful at all. Arya Stark learned to fight and has become an assassin.
Bran learned how to see the past and future. Jon took his skill to The Watch and became a fine solider, eventually becoming the lord commander and a king.
He fought off skilled White Walkers and came back to life.
Sansa has...well...not much.
I can only say she is good at sewing stuff, which isn't a special skill.
Any woman in Westeros would know the basics, men know it because battle and travel usually isn't nice to clothing, even kids know how.
She was forced into one marriage and got tricked into another. Not useful.
She was naive enough to tell Cersei about her fathers plans and got him killed. Not useful
She believed stupid songs and poems, letting it blind her to Joffery and the south. Not useful.
She has to be saved by others, not men because Brienne, and can't survive on her own. Not useful.
She has no special skills, never gained any, isn't physically strong, can't fight, can't manipulate people well, can't cook or make things. Not useful.
She withheld valuable info from Jon for the BOTB. Not useful.
She sold out Arya and Nymeria, called her father out asa traitor, calling for her mother and brother to recognise Joffrey and pledge loyalty. This got them killed (not Arya and Nymeria) and was not useful.
Arya was able to escape KL and survive, Sansa seemingly can't be sneaky or run very fast. Not useful.
She's always the victim and is never able to contribute to the story or her family. Not useful.
She doesn't add much to the plot. She's done nothing to affect the story. Even crippled Bran can contribute. Not useful.
I can't seem to find a way she helped her house, influence the plot, or did anything besides make people upset.
Please change my view.

PreacherX:
You are kidding me right now ?Are you now comparing Bran with Sansa right now, do you actually know that Bran survival was because of people around him, if it wasn't for the good people around him he won't have survived + Bran brought mayhem by getting exposed making him get marked by The Night King.

Now back to Sansa, do you think it was easy for Sansa leaving among the Powerful (living with Joffery when he was still alive)? He was a political prisoner, she has no say, even if she has something to say, you need to go watch season 1 and 2 again....

For Reference!

Joffery will make her do things, if she do otherwise, she will be put to death like his father and why did you think Arya was smuggled out of Kings landing? It was because she would have suffered same faith, so do u think Cersie will kill Arya and make everyone call her or Joffery a bad leader, Nah Nah!!!

Cersie was gonna break Arya spirit just like Sansa if she was caught behind that castle wall.... Sansa was more like a Political Prisoner, she was kept alive to justify what the Bastard Child (King Joffery) and the Lannister did for beheading Ned, they needed someone to convinced the people through the Public eyes in which Sansa was used for that Purpose.

Remember again, when Sansa was with Ramsey Bolton, there was little to nothing she can do, She planned her escape and a maid who was out to help her died during the process, have you forgotten? What do you expect her to do? she tried all her best. Ramsey kept Sansa also as a Political Prisoner, he wants to use Sansa to mock the house of Stark that he's untouchable and he can get what he wants.... Please don't compare Arya with Sansa again, they went through different things, and Arya wanted to be a warrior at her early age, infact she wish she was a guy just like Sansa want to be like her mother.... Catelyn! So they see the world differently!

Now talking about comparison, you can still compare her to Theon based on they were both under Ramsey, Ramsey tried to break Sansa and Sansa never broke and she still kept her sanity even through out those days and nights of rape and torments, she never forgot who she was.... A STARK!

Which I think it's what matter most.

Of what use is being a STARK?
Both sansa and arya will marry someday and bear their husbands name
She was married to ramsey.... So she's Sansa Bolton d bastard
Not even John snow is a stark
The only stark is the cripple
Not sure that one will marry or you know...
He has a greater commission being the 3-eyed raven

obiorathesubtle:
Obviously you watch GOT with a closed mind and one eye..


In the beginning, while sansa paid attention to lady stark about the history of the 7 kingdoms, learning how to
Knitt, learning the seasons and what not..


Arya was admiring archery and sword fighting..


There's a desire inside you that wants sansa to be like Arya, that's why you're disappointed, not everyone can wield a sword, not everyone can invade King's landing with 3 dragons and 50,000 infantry soldiers.

Everybody in the fuçking series has their role to play..


People don't understand GOT is a slow build up series..


Sansa has been learning all this while, not physical strength like Jon and Arya, but mental strength, like bran..

I'm sure if sansa could warg or manipulate fire or some element, she's be the Queen in your books..


Sansa is more intelligent than Khaleesi when it comes to westerosi ideals and ideas, from political prowess to administrative bossing.. She has it.. Khaleesi can't even find a way to feed her Army properly atm.. Even with the imp and eunuch by her side.. Men who are supposedly smart.. She has a Fučking snake in Littlefinger on her case all the time, and she's still Queening out there.


Sansa isn't useless, you just have opened your eyes to her obvious potentials..

Sansa is this
Sansa is that...
She's more intelligent than Khaleesi huh!
Proof please

Didn't expect her to wield a sword or anything, just show us she is no pushover... Like cersei or lady ollena

Maybe you need to wake up, cos that gal hasn't proven nada

Like i said, maybe 2mao i might change my opinion but definitely not out of sympathy

TheKingIsHere:
You my Lady deserve a fvcking presidential award asap.

Dem sansa fans want pity on sansa when all stark children have been through hell and back. One here even compared her with dany and cersei. i delibrately dont want to reply the guy.

They forgot that dany was also raped and was through hell too, at the end, dany made khal drogo her puppet.

Cersei was tormented by the brotherhood of the cross and star. She was embarrassed and ridiculed but she device a means to get out from prison and have her revenge by wiping out all of them.

Sansa on the other hand couldnt think of a single way to escape Geofrey, she still couldnt think of a way use what she has to make ramsey dance to her tunes or better still escape. Yet they say she is smart. LoL.

Very well said
And a very big LOL

PreacherX:
You are kidding me right now ?Are you now comparing Bran with Sansa right now, do you actually know that Bran survival was because of people around him, if it wasn't for the gold people around him he won't have survived + Bran brought mayhem by getting exposed making him get marked by The Night King.

Now back to Sansa, do you think it was easy for Sansa leaving among the Powerful (living with Joffery when he was still alive)? He was a political prisoner, she has no say, even if she has something to say, you need to go watch season 1 and 2 again....

For Reference!

Joffery will make her do things, if she do otherwise, she will be put to death like his father and why did you think Arya was smuggled out of Kings landing? It was because she would have suffered same faith, so do u think Cersie will kill Arya and make everyone call her or Joffery a bad leader, Nah Nah!!!

Cersie was gonna break Arya spirit just like Sansa if she was caught behind that castle wall.... Sansa was more like a Political Prisoner, she was kept alive to justify what the Bastard Child (King Joffery) and the Lannister did for beheading Ned, they needed someone to convinced the people through the Public eyes in which Sansa was used for that Purpose.

Remember again, when Sansa was with Ramsey Bolton, there was little to nothing she can do, She planned her escape and a maid who was out to help her died during the process, have you forgotten? What do you expect her to do? she tried all her best. Ramsey kept Sansa also as a Political Prisoner, he wants to use Sansa to mock the house of Stark that he's untouchable and he can get what he wants.... Please don't compare Arya with Sansa again, they went through different things, and Arya wanted to be a warrior at her early age, infact she wish she was a guy just like Sansa want to be like her mother.... Catelyn! So they see the world differently!

Now talking about comparison, you can still compare her to Theon based on they were both under Ramsey, Ramsey tried to break Sansa and Sansa never broke and she still kept her sanity even through out those days and nights of rape and torments, she never forgot who she was.... A STARK!

Which I think it's what matter most.

Interesting read
Didn't compare your beloved. Sansa with bran
Just saying they all have been thru hell

I did compare her with Arya though, and most of the things you typed some i made mention of
And it still comes down to one conclusion she's useless

She did basically everything the enemies asked of her, not questioning authority, not having a plan
I agree one can play the fool as a strategy, but at least you gotta have a come back plan
She has been playing the fool like forever
With no plans

This same jeoffrey was manipulated by queen Margaery
She also manipulated jeoffreys broda and turned him against his mother

She's a lady for crying out loud..... And she's the most useless of all
Its no surprise women are. The most powerful now.... Cos they are smart.... Out smarted the men.... And outlived them....
A lady can easily poison a man....
Khaleesi was initially a slave, she's the most feared now
Cersie, the dorne women, Yara, the tally women before they all died played the game well
But your sansa is still useless

Quit the excuses for why she is useless and focus on why she should be useful

Stop pitying her, stop the sympathy.....
No. One had it easy
Cersei was forced to marry against her wish for political reasons....
So many scenarios
Let's stop justifying failure

That small little lady mormont has sbown more wits in 2 seasons than sansa in 7
She's a real lady, when she talks men keeps quiet
See lady ollena for example she was the one dieing but she had the last laff, a look at Jamies face you will think jamie was the one dieing
Can't wait to see cersie's face
Considering jamie fought for her to have a quiet peaceful death and yet she managed to give them one more punch in the face, just after taking the poisoned drink
She's bad ass
When will Sansa learn?

obiorathesubtle:
Simply put as..

Jon has mastered fighting and warfare astuteness..

|b]Sansa has mastered administration and the actual "Game" of thrones..


If there's anyone right now who could run alongside Cersei in a game of political wits, it's sansa..[/b]


Tyrion is finally only smart when drunk..
Other times, he's just a sad imp who wishes to see his father's ashes burn again..



Arya on another planet dawg!

@bolded
Wow, bravo, wawu!
We sure didn't watch the same game of thrones

Bro, you just made my afternoon......
Are we talking about the same sansa?
The useless one

Cos i am still waiting to see the polical wits exhibited or in action
Certainly not at kingslanding
Not at the vales with her aunt
Not even at winterfell with ramsey

For starters, she's supposed to punish those two guards that let arya off.... They weren't dutiful
Maybe filling grains is the new political wits
There must be something i'm missing

IamLEGEND1:
[b] Well, I have seen it..... Why didn't Jon come up with the idea to stock up on grain in winter fell and line the armor with leather so the soldiers don't freeze to death?

He has a bigger ish to worry about
The grain, leather armour..... It doesn't matter
If you don't have what to fight/the numbers to fight the army of the dead..... They gonna all end up dead anyways

Think what you may of Jon's decision to travel south to meet danaerys but it was stupid and ill-advised and Sansa was right to call him out on that. First in private then in public.

I disagree, John was fully aware of the risk
He knew there is a probability he wasn't gonna come back alive
But he also knew there is a chance he gets what he wants
Life is all about taking risks if you wanna reach greater heights not sitting down and being lady watching events fall in or oit of place
None of them have seen what John have
And sir davos said it well, if there is a weapon to kill the dead, they better risk going after it
Not like he went on vacation or fun fare
It was still for the Norths sake

Jon may be tactically sound when it comes to battle but he is no political guru....... He lets his fear of the night king(understandably) cloud his every decision......

If there is anyone not scared of the night king, the peson is not a living
Even the hound was muted after what he saw in the fire
Yeah, he may not be a political guru but dude got a good and large heart..... You heard tyrions comment about him
He is very principled
He won't bend the knee, lol
That thing dey pain danny sha
He's also got a very good instinct
Personally he earned my respect when he turned down the high pristess[melisandre]

But he also fails to realise that no one else has seen the NK and at the moment everyone is obsessed with the iron throne and would consider him an obstacle that needs to be removed. [/b]

Well, this I agree with, but they will soon come to realisation
Danny asides already liking the dude, she is also beginning to take him serious

The leather ish, the grain.... Ain't political nous
The john should not travel to the south is something naked.... That's what they all agreed on
Why? Out of fear he won't return

Not some political nous
Nothing really special about Lady sansa
Except for putting on overall and taking steps like the fairy queen
My sweet arya doesn't say much..
She said she was going to kill the queen when she was with the lannister soldiers.... . They tot it was a joke, she joined them laffing
Same thing when she told sansa she had a kill list.... She didn't believe her at first
But babe no get time for argument

Kaycee7:
Jamie is his paycheck, which is why he saved him at the end.
Bring has told Tyrion ," I'm a sellsword. I sell my sword. I don't loan it to my friends."
If Khaleesi offers him a sweet deal, he'll kill Jamie without hesitation.

I think so too
Dude is all about gold, castle, money
That's why he saved tyrions life way back

IamLEGEND1:
I think scouts are present...... Whether they are shown or not. Arya was on her lonesome, any threat she might have posed was minimal at best.
Look no further than Jamie 'slowpoke' Lannister if you're looking for people making dumb decisions during times of war:
Transporting food needed to survive a siege and you camp out in an open field with no scouts in sight.
Sansa may not be battle savvy but her political nous is on point. Which is more than i can say for a tiny brat who on a whim decided to follow a homicidal magical assassin who serves death across a continent.

Political what?
Lemme faint first

Let's not get ahead of ourselves...... I haven't seen any political nous

Only two women in the show exhibits that
Lady ollena and
Queen cersei

Not even khaleesi
And now you referring to sansa.... Ordinary acting commisioner of winterfell

Kaycee7:
If Arya was in Sansa's position, Arya would have been dead before the end of season 2. They both had the good fortune of being in situations suiting their attributes. Sansa where she could keep her head down and Arya where she could complete her training.

I won't argue on if arya would still alive or dead
But that's a big IF
But if she's dead, she definitely won't die useless
She will take someone down with her
Queen Margaery is dead, but she didn't die useless
They all will eventually die someday.... Maybe soon enough with the night king waiting

But, i'd rather die being useful[for a purpose] than useless
If arya dies now.... She's achieved something....

What is sansa's usefulness in the series?
Oh, lemme guess..... She wants to be a lady

Most guys here defending sansa is cos she's beautiful and tall, many out of pity

But none cos of her character.... That character is USELESS

A useless lady.... Is that one a lady?
Be a ruthless lady like cersei or whoever

Until she stops fantasising about some fairlytale perfect world.... And becomes ruthless my opinion about her remains the same

meforkene:
It's the thin line between bravery and stupidity that should end this..you have your points no doubt
Jamie reclaimed a lot of fans
For me I don't think I've seen Jamie in battle actually leading from the front.
If he comes out alive,history would write bravery...thanks to Bronn

Since Jamie lost his hand he's become useless,
First the boy he kept on mocking saved him in battle,

Except you are the one who writes history...... I still disagree that's bravery

It's like someone intentionally jumps in front of a fast moving car..... And manages to survive.....
Then we say he is being brave for surviving
He was trying to commit suicide which isn't bravery but stupidity and foolishness

Like someone said earlier, let's say he managed to pull it off.... Then it's stupidity on the writers part or director and we will be right to question the plot

What he was trying to do, there is zero chance he could pull it off, at least not when she's with her son [drogon]

CecyAdrian:
You have said it all!

To me, I even think she is beginning to let the 'Lady' title get to her head and start getting all comfortable again, reason why I said LF might still finger her fish brain.

I do agree with you
Not even might but will

Don't you see the way she looked at arya spar with brienne

Some say it's jealousy some say she's surprised.... I don't know.... But that look alone is not something positive it irks vulnerability.... She can be easily twisted

IamLEGEND1:
They're just butthurt.

Which is why I didn't even bother getting involved in the argument from the very beginning.
Way too many Arya fangirls on this thread.

They see Sansa ruling & they hatin'

Lol, lwkmd
No comment
Hating the useless one huh
To know sansa was in charge, did you watch arya entrance.... Who was at the gate....
They are way more vulnerable to attack than during ramseys reign....
But why am i not surprised?
Sansa is ruling

Kaycee7:
The Real MVP

Yeah, that dude got 7 lives..... He's been at the brink of death so many times i have lost count
And he's motivated by money
But he's taken jamie as a friend and to think a while back he was BFF with tyrion

The only question i have on my mind is.... Let's say he's paid by khaleesi to kill jamie.... Would he?
Or does he have emotions and loyalty than he let's on

PreacherX:
What they have forgotten is that Sansa was given out and made to marry Joffery at an early age, that was the beginning of her problem, she knows nothing then like Jon Snow, for her character to have survived this long should tell them that being the smartest in a place itself is not smart, she has being through a lot.... Someone like Arya won't have survived in King's Landing because of her Sharp mouth, I'm even saying it's a bad idea if Arya goes to King's Landing now, she ain't humble and she will blow her cover in which she will be put to death!

Sansa is a survivor!

All of the starks alive are survivors not just sansa
They all have been thru hell
But what matters is not what they have been through, it's how they have reacted to it and who they are now
It took Lady sansa six seasons towards the end of season 6 to convince us she has learnt one or two things
And yet still the jury is out on her, she is still acting senseless, undermining Johns authority in public
And no one here mentioned the fact how she did keep quiet and was surprised when John said he's leaving her in charge

I also honestly do pity her, i understand its easy to side the weak
But opinions may differ..... I do personally think arya have been thru much worse than sansa
I don't want to argue on whether she would have survived in kingslanding or not.... But one thing you can't all dispute is that despite the fact that she is the younger one, she won't go down without at least taking down a major player maybe jeoffrey or cersei or Jamie

It's true sansa had survived by being stupid and underestimated.....
But i'd rather be Queen Margaery than being Lady Sansa
The thought of her alone gives cersei sleepless nights
Thot of Lady Sansa, cersei will shrug it off...
She was never convinced sansa could kill her son, she suspected tyrion
Just that the timing of sansa leaving wasn't a coincidence

Arya on the other hand, never had the luxuries sansa had.... For a long while she had no place to call home, she was always on the run
Sansa atleast had the luxury to dine in the King's palace, a good bed and food, she's not out in the cold.... Even though she was held against her will
She was still busy doing makeup and looking pretty for her king jeoffrey, she even had a maid

Arya supposed reunion with her mother and brother at the red wedding turned into a nightmare.... She heard their screams.... Not like she was told she was there.... She didn't just come up with a list

Even when she was with the many face gods, she got blind..... Was asked to kill a good person and she was to be assassinated by a pro

Yet she survived, she avenged and killed the freys

Now that's a survivor with a fighting spirit
Remind me what sansa have been thru again.... She was raped.... Ok

Same thing with bran.... He has seen things beyond his age.... He was also on the run.... He lost a lot of good people around him

John was sent to the night watch.... He fought to the top... He died.... He's fought battles and won

Everyone still alive in GOT is a survivor
Nothing special bout sansa

Cersei might not be good but she's also lost a lot, she has lost her 3 children... Asides jamie... She has nothing to lose

It's game of thrones for a reason.... Kill or be killed.... It's all about joining the winning team, all about surviving
Making the right friends/alliance

Rubyventures:
You guys should remember that Sansa was only 13 when she went to Kings landing she hadn't even started her period. She was just a little girl who wanted to be a princess. She had to learn the hard way.

There is a saying from our elders that "if you scratch your body the way you feel itch you will peel your skin off".

Sansa is quite but that should not be taken for stupidity. See how she wanted revenge for her families traitors and she challenged Jon snow on his decisions. Jon snow thinks with his heart and Sansa thinks with her head.

Also she didn't get her dad killed . She was deceived by Jeoffrey when he said he will pardon him, even Cercei didn't expect Ned to be killed.



For those that are against Sansa when she was at Kings landing. What would you have done differently if you were to be in her shoes?

Wasn't arya in kingslanding too?
All these sansa fans will just say anything to defend the gal except that they won't say the truth

Sansa is plain foolish

She undermined her brothers authority in public..... After he even tried to tell her it's not ideal
She deserves a hot slap for that

Lol @ john snow thinks with his heart sansa with her head

None of them have seen the threat at hand[the night king/army of the dead]
And John who knows what lies ahead thinks with his heart cos he was risking his life leaving the north.... Because starks have a bad history travelling south

What would you rather.... Train children and fight the night king.... Wait, he enjoys being king of the North for a short spell and they all end up dead?
The odds are stacked against them
Or seek help/alliance and have an improved odds
Yet, John is the one who thinks with his heart huh!

I was just looking at the lady mormont and laughing ... When she was there saying we need the king of the north in the north
I was like if this gal knows a bit of what i know bout the white walkers.... She will be pissing in her pants already

Sansa does not even think, she's too busy fantasising on being princess/queen to jeoffrey
She had to lie siding jeoffrey's word against her sisters
I'm already getting angry sef, the sansa gal is plain annoying and irritating
And she's the most useless stark
Even the one that can't walk is way more useful

And she didn't save the day in the battle of bastards
She initially rejected little fingers help
Little finger saved the day.... Just for his own ambitions

The only sensible thing she ever said was telling John snow to forget bout rickon..... That he's a dead man running
And that ain't really sensible..... Just a situation of the devil you know[ramsey]
She knows ramsey more than John
But John was still willing to save a Fam... Although he was foolish at that, but had it been he was successful...... Maybe your beloved sansa would have commited sucide by now

Sansa who?
When there is arya

Why would anyone even be a fan of sansa
The world is indeed a twisted place

agrovick:
Err for the bold, Tyrion's warning came up because Daenarys wanted to go solo against Euron.

I can bet my balls we would have all come here to debate how impossible it is if Jaime had succeeded in killing Daenarys in that final scene, what Jaime did was plain phoolishness not bravery, and that's why I'm not castigating Theon for jumping ship when Euron had Yara cos any attempt to attack most likely ends with a slit throat for Yara

Well said

meforkene:
No doubt if it was a death sentence.
Brave..definition: Feeling of showing no fear,not afraid.
Remember it's a movie so why not just enjoy it that way.Without the risks and intrigues it wouldn't be as interesting.

Remember Jon's bravado / death sentence in S6 battle of bastards after he fell from his horse and took a strike stance against the multitude of riders coming his way...I bet you loved that part...You why?..Its a movie

Also from your line of thought, what if the arrow struck Dany and d dragon after all the warning from Tyrion, Missendei n crew.....Lets not be too intelligent for a movie.Just enjoy it

There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity
Since you all in for definition
Here is one
stupidity - /stʃʊˈpɪdɪti,stʃuːˈpɪdɪti,stjʊˈpɪdɪti,stjuːˈpɪdɪti/noun1. behaviour that shows a lack of good sense or judgement.

Another lil research for ya
All dragons have excellent senses of sight, smell, and hearing, as well as infravision to 120 feet. They can detect all invisible objects and creatures (including things hidden in darkness or fog) within a radius in feet equal to 10 times their age category. The chance to detect these hidden things is 35% plus 5% times a dragon’s age category.By making a successful dragon senses check, a dragon can spot secret and concealed doors, invisible or hidden creatures, traps, and other things not in plain sight.

Jamie's action is just plain stupidity and foolishness,
A perfect example of letting emotions cloud your judgement
He did that out of hatred for daenery's

There was no way in hell drogon wouldn't sense his antics

Happy Birthday to this smart intelligent dude
I remembered he corrected my English then and was expecting a serious backlash from me
So why am i not surprised he's been called Mr. English professor

Wishing you long life and prosperity
Whatever your heart desires
More blessings
More success
More favor
And as you increase in age may you continue to grow higher and higher in all aspects of life

I still senior you though

PreacherX:
Ramsey can't be tamed like that, the only thing that can take such evil person is another person that got greater evil in him/her.

There is no greater evil than ramsey in the series..... He's a psychopath

Even jeoffrey is a learner compared to ramsey
Although both will make a deadly team

What he did to theon.... Psychologically is something that is almost important to get back from
He broke him.... Same way neegan broke rick
Cut his manhood
Pretended to feed on it
Sent a piece to his father
Even Yara later discovered he's beyond saving
Till now, that confident, gorgeous, ladiesman, robbstark best friend is not the same person anymore
Now he looks like someone with congenital torticollis

He also killed his father, step mother and a BABY
Raped sansa,
Wrote one bad ass letter

So, ramsey is in a class of his own when it comes to craziness
Myranda learnt the hard way.....
He even fed her to the dogs after she was dead

I may not like sansa.... But it's not fair for anyone to say she could have outsmarted or manipulated her way thru ramsey bolton
There is no way..... Not even cersei

And Drogo is not ramsey.... He's no psychopath

Even in death he was still ahead of his game.... Killed rickon.... Almost won the battle of bastards
He had John getting all emotional

When it comes to the greatest male television villians of all time

Ramsey bolton will make top3
Another is Neegan

For women category.... No other person but Ms. Ferguson

JhyMedex:
.. Shake ur D.. instead!!..
3eyed Raven said u got one....

Lol, i do have one
You happy now?

Now i know i got a troll on my back

Enough derailing already, oga 3-eyed raven

meforkene:
I was switching my allegiance to both armies every second during the fight...Drogon: Very rugged dragon..down and still fighting,smacked d weapon with his tail.

Bronn: the man of the moment...looked at his gold, had a chance to flee and finally stole the show.

Jamie: I just love him once again.a true general, didn't abandon his men,charged at Dany n dragon with one hand..what a full G

Saw on another post someone calling jamie's action brave
It's not
As a matter of fact.... It's stupidity or foolishness
Had he been roasted alive..... Y'all will call him stupid
Even his dwarf brother[tyrion] was like you idiot
He owes bronn for saving his life

That was a death sentence

JhyMedex:
Apt analysis Bruh....
The 3eyed Raven told me..
Stegomiah is a male impersonating a female...

Smh

Nihilist:
Sweardown.

Jon Snow is just another average swordsman with military training. I've not seen anything to suggest that he is exceedingly better than any other soldier of comparable training.

Arya is just a joke. Have we ever even seen her win a fight? We've see her get her ass kicked by the waif. Then the lights went off.

We've seen her serve up frey pie...we didn't see her cook it.

The concept of Arya as some sort of badass terminator ninja is contrived BS. If her plotline was as realistic as say Sansa's, Arya would have dead a long time ago...

Now you have seen arya
Rated her as high as number 14 on my list as one of the best fighters/swordsman in the series....
While some agreed, some tot it was a ridiculous thing to say... Including you

Episode 4 has cleared the air and some doubts

Her only disadvantage is her physical timid frame....
That's why a mini giant like brienne can stump her and she fell a distance

But when it comes to skills, techniques, movement..... She's up there with the best

She even started the fight with one hand placing the other behind her back

Switching from left to right with the dagger
Intentionally losing her sword

For those asking where she learnt all these and in what time frame

She learnt swordplay from the greatest swordman in westeros
Combat from the hound
The faceless lord and the waif..... When she was blind..... She learnt to use her other senses to her advantage and thus becoming faster and anticipating her opponents movement and action

Arya is one to watch out for

How i wish i can lock seun outta this thread
Something that has been out since Thursday
It's everywhere on the internet and on every major downloading sites

I see no reason why the thread should be locked
Beware of spoilers' is on the thread
If i haven't watched an episode.... I won't even come near tv/movies

And seems this is the only thread that is being run like this.... Which is not fair on us GOT lovers

Nothing like wanting to share your views when it is still hot
I have been here several times refreshing this section to see if oga at the top will open it
But oga seun is in bed with the lannisters and brought red wedding on us

If not for the other thread and still that thread doesn't feel like this[home] but it was the necessary antidote to a necessary evil

jejemanito:
1. You can't score Cersei "0" at strategy. "Did you think I spent all those years watching father ramble on about the family legacy without learning anything?"

2. Stormborn's dragons can't be faster than a mechanically projected spear

Didn't score her zero
Just saying she's getting more accolades here than she deserves when it's actually a virtue of events falling into place....
Not that she sat in one corner trying to outsmart daenery's plan

As per your second point...... Let's say you are the one in charge of the machine...
You look up to see not one but three dragons spitting fire.....
I'm sure you'd be pissing in your pants already...
That's if the dragons don't get you first
Just kidding

My point is it's not gonna be easy to kill a dragon in a battle field

I don't really like khaleesi....
I think she had it too easy
She must be the Authors favorite
But i love her children. [dragons]
So, maybe i'm a little biased

Episode 4 should shine more light on that

FakoMaybach1:
If Storm born is not careful she will lose the war, Dothraki have never seen Winter, Cersei just needs to buy time. Cersei can Hire more soldiers as she has the Iron Bank behind her. Daenerys is in hot soup oo, in this game of chess she has lost her Knight, bishop. na only rook remain for am oo

Well, she still has her Queen [the dragons]
I think cersei achievements so far is not down to strategy or she outsmarting Daenery's

It's down to everything just working for her until.....
Obviously, the writers wants us to keep guessing and don't want it to look too easy for khaleesi

Euron was after Theon and Yara..... Those who threatened his reign as king of iron borne..... With dem dorne women with them..... It was double score....
He promised cersei a gift
All he wants is that alliance/marriage
Dude is a pyschopath..... Just give him
what he enjoys doing

Cersei is after crushing all her enemies.... And she got revenge for her daughters death
Remaining lady ollena
The soldiers leaving casterly rocks had to do with that coupled with the pressure to pay back the debt owed that's why they left for highgarden
So, i just think so far all is falling in place for cersei
And that machine to kill dragons looks like a joke to me
The best it can do will be to injure a dragon
When cersei pulled the lever.... That dragon wasn't mobile just there
Khaleesi's dragons won't stay in one place but be flying around

I think Tyrions plan was brillant...... It wasn't just meant to be
Typical GOT

armadeo:
Really.

Jamie is the best swordsman in the seven kingdoms only beaten by sword of the morning ( I maybe wrong).

He'll make mince meat of Drogo.

The mountain is in a league of his own. Brute strength and speed. Even tyrions man was scared of him.

'I doubt Drogo would beat them.

I think Jamie is overrated
There are few better fighters in the series, that on a one on one combat will defeat jamie at his peak

Jamie is the most popular
He had his first kill at a very young age, but i don't rate him that much

Here is my list
1. Sir Arthur..... We got a view of his fighting prowess in season 6......before he was killed. By Ned stark
The way he slaughtered all. Ned stark men with two. Swords
Never seen a man wield sword like that with both hands
[ the starks are the most underrated warriors in the series because they are noble men.... But by far greater warriors
A pity they had pathetic ending cos they all do have a heart and don't know how to play the game..... Dem too sabi trust

Ned stark.... Killed sir arthur.... Held well with jamie.... I personally believe he would have defeated jamie.... But won't kill him if he had the chance.... While the then jamie would have killed him

Rob stark........ Never lost a battle...

His death was the most heartbreaking
King of the North
The one we thought will avenge his father's death....
He sure did play the role well
Only to die like a fowl.... With his wifey and son and mother...

Now John snow
Back to my list
2. Ser barristan the bold
those who read the books will understand why
He was kingsguard for 40years under two kings and defeated everything that was a serious challenge

3. The hound
Forget that brienne defeated him....
He was sick, slow, starved and even underrated her
He is very strong, not as strong as gregor/mountain
But faster, aggressive and the most complete all round fighter i can think off
He doesn't fight for nobility or loyalty or money.....
He doesn't care who.... Lannnisters or whoever.... Fvck everyone....
Just give him ale and he can murder a whole army
[had a confrontation with bronn in season 2.....bronn maybe a little more skillful but the hound will murder him] lol

4.Oberyn Martell
Sexy, fast and most skillful fighter

5. Daario
Someone already said enough bout him earlier
He was left at mereen at the end of season 6 to rule by that annoying khaleesi.... I guess that will. Be the last we see of him

6. Karl drogo

7. The mountain.....
I think he is overrated.... He is very strong.... Maybe the strongest but slow..... The red viper showed us how to beat him.... Being skillful and fast... Make him tire

8. Bronn
Motivated by money

9. John Snow

10. Jamie lanister with 2 hands

11 lady brienne

12. Sir jorah mormont

13. Torgemund

14. Arya stark

I know this is laughable but she may look timid don't ever underestimate her.....
She killed. The waif.... A pro... More experienced

Walder frey and his household

She is driven by revenge

She is. The best assassin in the show

And she learnt from. The very best
Syrio forel
Forgot to. Add him to. My list

The hound

And the faceless dude

15. Syrio forrel

Honorable mentions
Stannis barratheon, robert barratheon, ramsey bolton,

Greatest coward.... Running to mummy during thw war in season 2.....all talk. And no show

Joffrey barratheon/lannister

I hate that guy ehn, but i also do so much miss him

Even if it is 5 naira...

25 mins is too much....
I would have murdered him already and buried him and wash his blood off my hands in that time frame.....

Bob.... Wetin?

MrCork:
... sweeery I drive £28000(cash)
range rover spot...technically..that means I can easily get u. I lie?

So what?
You can't even get my dog