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Islam › Re: Islam The Religion Of Doom by stimulus(m): 8:31pm On Feb 07, 2008

@abdkabir,

abdkabir:
Will we ever stop biting one another?

Why is it that your type ALWAYS leave things to have heated up until they prove too much for Muslims to bear before you show up with sneak apologies?

Where were your type hanging all this while as your Muslim brethren brooded with caustic posts deliberated against Christ and Christianity?

How is it that your type has kept quiet all this while as Muslims endlessly sought to assail Christianity with all sorts of hypocritic assertions that fell flat on their face?

Why is it that Muslims never get to call their own brethren to order as they endlessly sought to assail particularly Christian convictions?

Did you ever seek to ask your Muslim brethren to pull in their own molars when they sought to bite toothlessly at others until they felt the bite too deep in their skin?

So many times, Christians have offered Muslims to seek to discuss religion amicably without the need to be unnecessarily derisive of non-Muslim convictions. What has been their replies other than an insatiable thirst for more deliberate harrumph?

abdkabir:
Yes, I'm a Muslim.

Then do the one sane thing any thinking person could do - talk DIRECTLY to your Muslim folks to make them think with common sense! They are the ones you need to address directly instead of these pretences.

Christians have always sought to talk directly to Christians when we sometimes seem to be driving issues towards the edge - then why is it that Muslims never get to address their brethren directly about their misgivings? Is it expressly forbidden in Islam to caution your brethren?

Islam › Re: Islam The Religion Of Doom by stimulus(m): 7:17pm On Feb 07, 2008

@don maselo,

don maselo:
i wonder why christians cannot understand the basic truth and face the fact.

You would cease wondering when and only when you come to understand that Christians have called on Muslims to face up to the facts that you scream out to others but often fail to see yourselves!

don maselo:
the same thing is happening or have happened in rwanda ,ireland,serbia,germany,russia under stalin. but tah fact that these atrocities are carries out by christians does not mean it is the bible that say they shoul do it.

Just a question, sir: when did Stalin become a Christian?

don maselo:
when half baked barbarian muslims come out to implement anti islamic laws in the name of religion,you end up saying they are inspired by islam.

The so-called "half-baked Muslims" (I refuse to use the tag "barbarians" wink

have often quoted the verses of the Qur'an for their actions. True, it may have been as a misunderstanding of those verses (just as fundamentalists in every religion use some verses out of context); but then, we do not find reknowned Muslim scholars condeming those acts when preaching in their mosques.

I deem that olabowale is familiar with New York - he should be quite aware of Muslim happenings there. Sad thing if he isn't. But then, although I was never a Muslim who was fortunate enough to have been raised in a Muslim-Christian family, I've an elder brother who was jolted to reality when he visited a well-known mosque in NY that openly sponsored disaffection towards Jews and Christians! The reality so shook him that he kept researching his religion and eventually became a Christian! No, I didn't preach to him - he himself led me to Christ!

don maselo:
but when people like hitler,stalin etc commit atrocities you would not atribute in to their christian background but on human influenced factor.

Again: when did Stalin (and Hitler) become Christians?

don maselo:
christianity have its own share of evil.

Is that why Muslims suppose that suicide bombers with hopes of 72 virgins in Jannah are . . . "Christians"? grin

don maselo:
i can say it was inspired by the old testerment.

Which one - the one that Muslims claim have been lost and never recoverable among the torah of Allah?

don maselo:
the flaming sword of the champions of christ drip with blood of the infidel and innocent.

The same "champions" you have earlier said that it "does not mean it is the bible that say they shoul do it"

don maselo:
JEWS WERE THE SCAPEGOAT.

Sadly, Jews and Christians were and are still the "scapegoats" in Muslim theology around the world!

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Criticism 1: The Garden Of Gethsemane Incident by stimulus(m): 3:17pm On Feb 07, 2008

@therationa,

It is not enough to argue from silence - which is exactly what you are doing and have not applied your rational thinking in this instance to highlight your ideas intelligently. Rather, you waited to see the various possible sides to explaining the pointers to recording the events of that night, so you could whip yourself behind the excuse that we all sound "contradictory". Here is something for you to think about:

1. What about the analogy I offered you about biographies. Please sweep it as quickly under the carpet with another excuse.

2. What is wrong with someone "re-narrat(ing) incidents in his daily life"? Have biographies not been written by personal interviews of the subjects in those biographies?

3. How have you demonstrated a consistent position in the few entries you have made on the Forum so far? Example? Like scooting off between motherboards when you could not stay your position after answers greeted your first thread?

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Criticism 1: The Garden Of Gethsemane Incident by stimulus(m): 2:50pm On Feb 07, 2008

therationa:
Now, given that jesus was all alone in the darkness of the night and that he himself never wrote a single word, and that his disciples were all fast asleep, how do we come to know exactly the words jesus is supposed to have said?

How do we come to know that he shade tears of blood?

Perhaps you never read the Bible before. Good advice - pick up a copy and read it carefully, thoughtfully, and prayerfully: nor because you are looking for verses to "confirm" what you already made up your mind to believe before examining the facts; but because you want to understand for yourself what really occured from what you read.

Many books have been written by people who were never present at the scene of the particular events they narrate. Think of biographies of a few notable figures, for example (please note - I'm not speaking about religious works now). One could ask the same questions: "how do we come to know exactly the words Politician XYZ is supposed to have said" as stated in those classic historic works?

Nonetheless, in addition to the direct, simple answers offered by imhotep, when that question came to mind several years ago in my early faith life, I found answers in the following verses:

[list]Luke 24:27 - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Acts 1:1 - The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen.[/list]

After the Resurrection, Jesus spent time discoursing with His disciples - does that ring a bell to you?

You started out deliberately seeking to "criticize" the Bible. Perhaps you should understand that so many have tried to do so on this Forum, and you won't be the last. But it amazes me that when you guys are asked to come forward and discuss the same surmizings you post, then nobody finds you in the same thread you opened to "criticize" the Bible.

Was that why you abandoned ship in the initial thread you opened today? undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 2:33pm On Feb 07, 2008

@trukoments,

trukoments:
STIMULUS/IMOHTEP[/b]it's clear that people like you make such untrue comments about muslims and islam that generates so much controversy,

That is why I usually invite Muslims to please correct [b]me where they suppose I may have been making untrue statements.

I'm surprised, though, that whenever I point out some of the false statements posted by Muslims (deliberately so) on the Forum, no other Muslim has sought to correct those untrue assertions made by their Muslim brethren. And even though I invite them several times (deliberately so) to come forward and let's discuss issues, they have never once tried to reasonably take the offer. You might have read me several times asking this simple question: "Do you care to do so"? Go through my posts (if you have been truly following) - and you will not be surprised to find that Muslims have evaded that offer several times!

Now, trukoments, do you care also to point out what you feel are untrue in my posts?

trukoments:
well it doesnt bother me because everyone has right to free speech and freedom of thought

It is that very thing we should try and foster in our discussions - the respectful and considerate freedom of speech that does not translate into Muslims seeking every opportunity to ridicule Christians and Christianity, and then sending muzzling threats to Nairaland.

trukoments:
but what amazes me is that people should pick the logs in their own eyes first before picking out the logs in other peoples eyes,understand?you kids!!

Thanks, elder trukoments, thanks very much. I wonder why that should "amaze" you. Really! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 2:24pm On Feb 07, 2008

imhotep:
You are free to call us whatever you like. On my part, I shall look for peaceful Sufi meditation materials and email them to you. I do hope you make use of them. Remember to pray for much needed world peace.

Amen! Finito! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by stimulus(m): 2:15pm On Feb 07, 2008

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Stimulus: Your lying blood will not allow you to tell the truth. M_Nwankwo said 'Man can not create life, because life comes from God alone, Who created it!'

I don't have a lying blood, so you can as well keep your mendacity to yourself, thank you.

As for the quote you attributed to m_nwankwo, please don't put words into his mouth. Could you help us trace where he said this: "'Man can not create life, because life comes from God alone, Who created it"? Please simply highlight where m_nwankwo stated it so.

olabowale:
I do not want to dignify your statement; I consider your thoughts foolish and unworthy of any further response.

This is usually the lullaby you often cry out in your old age after your hypocrisy and deliberate cowardice hit a dead end. If you have nothing else to sing in high pitch, roll up your mat and throw your kettle away! Muslims have been offered amicable and enabling opportunities to discuss without lying or ridiculing other religions; but no - you seem to do so well in thriving on such acrid adventures.

olabowale:
You will not accept truth, as truth.

Olabowale, there is NO truth in you!

olabowale:
It is very shameful.

The shame is yours - enjoy it.

olabowale:
I will repost what the gentleman M_Nwankwo wrote for those people who are sincere. They may have diffrerent religions, but they do not blatantly lie as you just did above, bending the truth to satisfy you evil intent!

I have no evil intent. As earlier, please highlight where m_nwankwo stated this line that you re-engineered to bend into his mouth:

"'Man can not create life, because life comes from God alone, Who created it"?

Please simply highlight where m_nwankwo stated/said it so.

Education › Re: Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses by stimulus(m): 1:39pm On Feb 07, 2008

therationa:
A sociologist (Ebenezer Obadare, Department of Sociology, University of Kansas) has just published an article in the New Humanist (Nov – Dec 2007) describing the deplorable state of education in some of Nigeria erstwhile top universities. This is an interesting read and should serve as an object lesson in the damage posed by religious fundamentalism in university campuses.

I have long posited this hypothesis and it is ever so refreshing to find a report which bears the same conclusion. In fact, any student of the history of the Dark Ages in Europe would have come to the same conclusion sooner. This should serve as a salutary lesson to everyone interested in the proper education of the citizenry.

In fact, it is nearly 10 years ago (Dec 1997- Jan 1998) that I visited the a university in Cameroon and was appalled at the growing religiosity of the university students. Every evening at about 5pm I noticed groups of 30 - 50 students congregating in various houses or assembly halls to study the bible and other devotional materials. These gatherings typically lasted in excess of 3 hours and would occasionally extend till the small hours of the morning.

Now, I may be biased, but I am given to understand that universities are institutions for the promotions of critical and rational thinking, intellectualism and the cultivation of the free inquiry. I did not attend such meetings but doubt if the subject of discussion was biblical textual criticism (Bart Ehrman), or the history of the Jews under the Roman colonial rule, or the Renaissance, or famine relief in Africa, or the Enlightenment philosophers (David Hume, Voltaire, Spinoza or Thomas Paine) or African literature (Soyinka, Achebe, Ngugi etc). It is my guess that they were gathered to develop strategies for the salvation of their souls in another world. Aside from the communal spirit and camaraderie of these events, can anything be more time-wasting and counter-educational than this endless kowtow to divine authority?

I regularly meet religionists (Christians and otherwise) who brandish a (or several) university degree(s) but have no knowledge of some of the most basic fundamental precepts of science and logic. They are typically those who take a literalist interpretation of their various religious texts, such as the bible or koran. This is an embarrassment. Here are some of the beliefs they uphold in spite of the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence in their favour:

1) The belief that the earth is about 6000 years old as implied in the bible. Any basic study of geology should reveal that the earth is about 4 billion years old. It would simply not be possible for organic matter to be converted into petroleum fuels naturally in 6000 years. This should be an indictment to anyone who holds onto this young-earth theory (but should know better) and rides a petroleum-based vehicle.

2) The belief that there was a worldwide flood in which Noah saved his family and some wild-life as reported in the bible about 4000 years ago. This is just palpably false and erroneous. There is absolutely no evidence for such a global flood event. In fact, this account can be categorically scientifically refuted in no less than 1000 ways.

3) The belief that the soul enters the zygote at conception. This stupid idea forms the cornerstone of the opposition to stem-cell research, the next-generation therapy for the treatment of a multitude of ailments.

4) The belief that dinosaurs and humans once walked the earth some thousands of years ago. Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago and humans (humanoids) have only walked this earth in the last 250 thousand years.

5) The belief that death, evil and suffering was the result of Adam and Eve disobeying a commandment in the garden of Eden. How about all the animals and plants that died out millions of years before humans evolved? These facts are easy to check, not least by a university student. Any good bookshop or university library should stock materials on these subjects.

Can our education system sink any lower? Anyone looking for an object lesson on the impact of dogmatic, uncritical thinking should look no further than the persecution Galileo suffered for propounding that the earth travels around the sun (heliocentrism), rather than the sun travelling around the earth, geocentrism (as was maintained by the Catholic church). It was only in the 1990s that the Pope officially apologised for the persecution of Galileo. It is thanks to the Galilean understanding of celestial mechanics (not the biblical cosmology) that satellite technology is possible today. The potential for damage to our civilisation with biblical literalism, dogmatism and uncritical thinking is incalculable.

The forces that assail us as a human civilisation are numerous and enormous. In Africa, these problems are compounded, principally due to poverty, scientific and technological illiteracy, rampant corruption and poor governance, attachment to unproductive superstitious beliefs, unfair global economic and trade agreements and natural environmental forces beyond our control. In the face of such problems, the last thing we want is a degradation of our only means of a resolution - education. Nigeria seems to have taken a path to intellectual barbarism through the spread of the barbaric beliefs of primitive nomadic stone-aged tribesmen from Judea (Check out the barbarism of Numbers 31, Exodus 21:17, Joshua 10:26, Leviticus 27:29, etc). Every survey shows Nigeria as the most religious country in the world, but yet also the most corrupt and the most socially inequitable. Does such contradiction not say something about the parlous state of education and thinking in that country? Such beliefs are simply incompatible with enlightened 21st century thinking and inimical to the development of a universal humanistic ethic. It is about time we leave the literalism of the bible and koran to the stone-age where they rightly belong and adopt and scientico-naturalistic worldview more suited to the challenges that confront us.

If the entire African continent does not want to go down this degenerate road, we must find a way of arresting the decline in our institutions of learning and encourage the next generation of students to develop and think more critically. But am afraid, where Nigeria leads, the rest of Africa is never too far behind.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-110955.0.html#msg1929127

Christianity Etc › Re: The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism by stimulus(m): 1:25pm On Feb 07, 2008

therationa:
Are the rampant ethnic and religious conflicts in Nigeria the result of critical thinking?

I wonder if all conflicts in Nigeria derive from religion. Perhaps that's why the political upheavals have escaped the notice of your critical thinking? undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 1:16pm On Feb 07, 2008

imhotep:
A true mystic will ignore the hateful musings of so-called masters who lacked inner peace.

Finito! That explains it all! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by stimulus(m): 1:14pm On Feb 07, 2008

olabowale:
What all the christians on this forum have been unable to understand, God Almighty has provided the process of understanding through another one of His creations, M_Nwankwo.
Thereis nothing more to say. God has spoken the truth through His creation, M_Nwankwo. The understanding of SOUL/SPIRIT is for all to see. This is exactly what I have said in my several entries on this subject in the past. Alhamdulillah, Allah brought the understanding through another man. I suppose that M_Nwankwo is not a Muslim, yet. But for sure his heart is right, and he is on the path leading to the path of success!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-110380.0.html#msg1929079

[quote author=m_nwankwo]Life comes from God and it cannot be created.[/quote]Who then created life in the Qur'an when you have applauded the above assertion that it cannot be created? Doesn't that already throw the Qur'an aside?

Oh, I forgot - he is "almost" a Muslim, you say? undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: Scientists Create First Synthetic Genome by stimulus(m): 1:12pm On Feb 07, 2008

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Everyone: This guy, M_Nwankwo, is almost a Muslim!

You earlier identified 3 types of Muslims (and somebody said they are all the same - "Muslims" wink

; which are -

Muslim
partial Muslim
Hypocrite Muslim

To which of these groups is the one you considered "almost" Muslim?

olabowale:
It was this reason, when God commanded the Angels, (the community which Satan was keeping, even though he was not an Angel, but a Jinn, a being created from smokeless fire) to prostrate to Adam, they all prostrated but Iblis, who later was named Satan did not prostrate.

Why would Allah have asked Angels to prostrate to Adam when Islam teaches that such an act was idolatry in the ranks of the most terrible sin (shirk)?

olabowale:
What I like about M_Nwankwo is his understanding of SOUL and Spirit to mean the same exact thing; the element that really brings about life!

The soul and spirit do not mean that same thing. Islam sees them as the same; but Muslims cannot reconcile their statements when closely examined on that premise.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism by stimulus(m): 1:06pm On Feb 07, 2008

therationa:
I have long posited this hypothesis and it is ever so refreshing to find a report which bears the same conclusion.

You made up your mind before you considered a fair opportunity to examine other cases as mentioned by the first rejoinder above, reposted below:

imhotep:
Communism (which condoned State atheism) and Nazism (you remember this, don't you) were also developed by critical thinkers. You don't need to look far to see the catastrophe they unleashed on the world.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 1:00pm On Feb 07, 2008

4 Play:
"One must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year, one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them, If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees, One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide, they may steal as much food as they need"

Incidentally, while we were feverishly posting comments in the sticky thread yesterday to resolve Usman Muhammad's 'friendly advice' to Nairaland, so many people emailed me that storyline from various sources, including:

Asian International News Agency

FrontPage Magazine

FaithFreedom.Org

Islam Watch

American Thinker

. . . and:

Jihad Watch

I was reluctant to re-post them because it was my thinking that we should give Muslims on the Forum the opportunity to seek reason and peaceful means of discussing on the Forum. For my reluctance, I was loaded with new names (most of which are not so palatable to the ears) grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 12:50pm On Feb 07, 2008

imhotep:
Perhaps we should also recommend Sufism to our brother trukoments.

Lol. . . he has been "following" your posts - no let am catch your hide out by Sufi meditations! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Praised Him Yet, Today? by stimulus(m): 12:46pm On Feb 07, 2008

Our God and Father, I Praise You Forever!
Thank You for Your Son Jesus Christ
Praise You for the Holy Spirit
Thank You for Your Faithfulness!

Christianity Etc › Re: Sufism: A Peacful Path In Islam? by stimulus(m): 12:39pm On Feb 07, 2008

trukoments:
i've follwed your postings and i can say categorically that you are in no way competent to recommend Sufism to anyone

Did you ever calm down to read his input? What is the meaning of "perhaps we" in his initial statement as below:

imhotep:
Perhaps we should recommend Sufism for olabowale and babs787, before they turn into suicide bombers!!!!

Before you begin to blow hot and cold to send another 'friendly warning' to Nairaland, dear trukoments do take care to be 'competent' about your 'categorical' flares. wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Net Relationship A Sin Or Best Option? by stimulus(m): 7:48am On Feb 07, 2008

I like this one - e make me laugh scatter! >>

4Him:
Ever since one of my best friends got married last yr my ipod list has gotten stuck on the song "i will get there".

4Him:
The Lord will do a new thing by the end of this yr.

Amen O!

It shall surely come to pass - and your iPod must devise a new song in your mouth!

4Him:
Lets help Markseg out first.

Good thinking.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Net Relationship A Sin Or Best Option? by stimulus(m): 7:38am On Feb 07, 2008

4Him:
you don't say!

Wetin I for do? grin

I have a heart like every other man, abi?

Islam › Re: Islam The Religion Of Doom by stimulus(m): 7:30am On Feb 07, 2008

@don maselo,

don maselo:
i wonder WHY YOU try to destroy the name of the true religion of God.the only religion that clearly stated the equality of races(ISLAM).

If Islam preaches the equality of races, why was Muhammad so bitter against the Jews and Muslims around the world have an incurable hate against them (the Jews) TODAY?

don maselo:
why do you support the cause of a religion that evolved out of the remenant of pagan rome juxtoposed with corrupted jewish teachings.

If that is how you describe Christianity, I'd rather choose to be a Christian than slave the rest of my life on the denials and fallacies of a Quraish prophet who was not sure about his destiny at the end of his career.

don maselo:
a religion that forcefully enslaved the or killed the whole population of north and south america in the name of christianity.

That is the propaganda you've been fed, well done again. Which religion is enslaving the whole of Afghanistan and Pakistan TODAY? What has Islam done for your women in those countries?

don maselo:
i wonder why no prophet in the old testerment ever talked about trinity.

They did. You Muslims have been offered an invitation to discuss God as FATHER for a start: have any one of you accepted that invitation? Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah and a few other prophets boldly declared God as 'FATHER' - where did Muhammad acknowledge 'Allah' as FATHER?

don maselo:
a religion divided into millions of sect each with its own veiw.

Christianity is not divided into millions of sects, thank you. But we know that the more than 70 sects in Islam today are each bitterly opposed to one another. That is why the Wahabis (another sect from the Sunni sect emerging from Saudi Arabia) want to clean the earth of every other Muslim.

don maselo:
THE WHITE CHRISTIANS CAME AND ENSLAVED OR MASSACRED THE AFRICANS AND ALL WE COULD DO IS TO PROCTEST THEIR FALSE EVER CHANGING RELIGION THAT HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A SECT PROMOTING THE WORST HUMAN NATURE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.

Muhammad was a white man: have you forgotten that? Go read about how he pillaged villages around the Arabian peninsula, enslaved many of them, coded massacres for his delight - and TODAY, it is Christians that are trying to offer freedom to some Muslim countries (e.g., Afghanistan) from their own plight derived from Islam!

don maselo:
EG HOMOSEXUALITY.CHRISTIANITY IS HUMANS WORST MADNESS.

We know of many homosexual Muslims here in the UK alone. They run night clubs and brothrels, and they are highly placed individuals in society. Annually, they have their own gay parade around south of London with spontenous such parades around the rest of Europe.

No, I didn't mention names.

But I wonder why, if Christianity produces the worst human madness, we don't have Christians organizing such parades anywhere in Europe (not that I'm calling for that)?

don maselo:
EVEN THE JEWS REJECT CHRISTIANITY AND EMBRACE ISLAM.

There are many Jews who received Christ as their Lord and Saviour during Jesus' earthly ministry, if you care to read the Bible. Also, TODAY around the world, there are so many Jews who have come to know Jesus Christ as their Saviour, including:

Jewish Christians;

others Jews who believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah Yahshua;

ministries founded by Jews who became Christians;

those who clearly identify themselves as Christian Jews

And just in case you don't know, there are Jews today who stand against your anti-Christian defamation!

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If you don't like to read things about Islam in this Forum, it is time you Muslims stop seeking to castigate Christianity at every opportunity! Mind your own Arabian mats, and no one would be half-bothered that you exist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Net Relationship A Sin Or Best Option? by stimulus(m): 9:50pm On Feb 06, 2008

4Him:
BTW there is nothing wrong with meeting women on the net.

That's true.

And as to what is to be considered the "best option", bros. . . nothing beats the 1-to-1 transaction that helps youfind your damsel! It doesn't matter whether it is the in the buka/canteen, in a bus, on the net, or Idi-Oro! Perhaps we can share some ideas with you that you could build on (I'm not that experienced myself, but my heart is inditing a good thing O! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity by stimulus(m): 9:40pm On Feb 06, 2008

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Imhotep: You are very ridiculous in your thought!

Certainly, this type of outburst is a confirmed pointer to your insecurity.

olabowale:
What is it that you do not understand? Is there a word spelled TRINITY, in your Bible? Forget the pronounciation for a moment! I have say that I am your father, or your uncle (a blood relation), will you not ask me to prove it?

Pronunciations are not what we worship, and you can hang and bend on that until your bones crank. The word spelled 'Trinity' is not in the Bible, but that does not mean that the concept itself is not there! Other terms have been used to discuss this concept; but have you been open for anyone to prove its veracity to you?

This idea that because a word is not spelled (or spelt) so-and-so in any book does not therefore mean that it is not worth discussing. The discussion of the Trinity recognizes God as FATHER - that is a reference point, and one would never hope that you can be mendacious enough to deny that! Where then is the revelation of God as "Father" to be found in the Qur'an?

olabowale:
Now lets deal with the pronounciation: Is there a word that is in the bible that can remotely be pronounced Tree nee tee? You don't have it. End of story!

Cheap. Is there a word that can remotely be pronounced 'father' as describing 'Allah' in your Qur'an? None? End of story - throw your Qur'an under your mat and let others live!

olabowale:
Now, what Bab787 have done is to make you think.

A thinking man does not scoot off every so often. I expected he would again scoot off this evening - and he predictaly proved he is not a thinking person with enough originality of his own other than the false assumptions he plagiarized with which to mesmerized you guys on the Forum. I deliberately offered him just 3 questions to test his ability to think for himself - has he impressed you with any answers?

olabowale:
But you refuse to. Clinging, so foolishly on a dead issue!

The fact that you refuse to drop your elderly hypocrisy is a testimony of your own folly.

olabowale:
Your dedusal to see wha you are missing in the Bible "3 in 1, which is impossible and the fact that Trinity as a word does not occur, hence the concept around is is like breadthing through a straw, is crazy.

There are so many words which do not occur in the Qur'an - and starting on such cheap ideas will also prove the Qur'an untennable.

olabowale:
You see how Bab787 is making you think? maybe somebody else will read it and get thinking.

Until babs787 is able to think for himself, it's going to be hard applause that he has suddenly become your think-tank! Please pass.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity by stimulus(m): 8:34pm On Feb 06, 2008

stimulus:
I don't want you scooting off as you did yesterday.

@babs787,

I really didn't expect you to stand and smart up today as well. It is the usual thing for gentlemen like yourself to scoot off when you cannot find materials to plagiarize in answer for your theories.

Whenever you are man enough, please try and invite me to discuss your assumptions on John 1 v 1 which you have recycled so many times until they have been weathered! As soon as you let me know where you stand by answering those 3 questions, I shall keep my promise to you of discussing the John 1 subject.

Regards.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity by stimulus(m): 8:10pm On Feb 06, 2008

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

I am thinking if you are in anyway related to pilgrim. She avoids questions on the pretext that I must answer hers before she would answer mine even though I asked mine before hers.

The one reason why I stopped entertaining your show-off on the Forum is because you never have been interested in any genuine discussion. This supercilious idea of demanding others to answer your questions have not demonstrated that you have anything original to offer - and I have offered you to do the one simple thing to invite me to answer your questions. That was made as a promise, and you have the opportunity to either take t or leave it.

babs787:
So chairman, thanks for admitting seeing my questions, can you still go ahead and provide answers, then we will go deep into that issues. Trust Babs for that

I don't want you scooting off as you did yesterday. If you can be man enough to stand in this discussion, please simply let me know where you stand on those 3 simple questions and I will keep my promise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity by stimulus(m): 8:01pm On Feb 06, 2008

@babs787,

I saw your questions addressed to others. If you would like to discuss your assumptions, please be dignified to answer those simple questions and I will keep my promise to address yours.

Christianity Etc › Re: POST BIBLE VERSES HERE, feel free to explain them. by stimulus(m): 7:04pm On Feb 06, 2008

Hi @Betty605,

I've enjoyed your efforts at posting verses with short commentaries daily/weekely on this thread. I pray that you'll have the strength to keep up the good work.

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[list]Matthew 6:22
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.[/list]

Be careful what you give your eyes to. You become what they feast upon!

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Favourite Bible Verse by stimulus(m): 6:52pm On Feb 06, 2008

Matthew 6:19 - 21

¶Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inspirational Websites by stimulus(m): 6:47pm On Feb 06, 2008

I often enjoy Pastor Colin Smith on OnePlace.com

Christianity Etc › Re: February 2008 Bible Quiz by stimulus(m): 6:41pm On Feb 06, 2008

I admire this effort. Although I'm not presently located in Naija for the prizes, I'll give it a go. wink

Well done.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Will You Be Giving Up For Lent? by stimulus(m): 5:44pm On Feb 06, 2008

@yvskc,

yvskc:
Stimulus I am not quite sure why u bothered to reply if you do not follow the Lent tradition.My question was aimed at those Christians who respect Lent and feel it is their duty to abstain or fast as a sign of their devotion in preparation for Easter.

Actually, I have not expressed disrespect Lent in my posts, nor do I have the intention of doing so. Perhaps I was aiming more for a seasoned discussion of the tradition of Easter which has become more of a religious rite/ritual in Christendom than what it really should connote.

For example, we seem to have lost the meaning of Christ's work for us that we now speak in terms of having to wait for some special season to "give up" things that are just contrary to our spiritual walk with God! And look again - it is often said that we should do this for the sake of Easter rather than be more concerned that we seek to enjoy our commitment for the sake of Him Who gave Himself on the Cross for us!

It should not be a "duty" to fast for the season (Easter). Our response to Christ Himself is what should be paramount in our lives - perhaps this was the reason why the apostle Paul discouraged this idea of seeking to be more spiritual by observing "days, and months, and times, and years" (Gal. 4:9-11).

Of course, it has become a die-hard tradition with many to keep the status quo of these festivities. However, I do pray that our hearts will seek more of Him than anything else.

Regards.

Islam › Re: Islam The Religion Of Doom by stimulus(m): 3:40pm On Feb 06, 2008

@May kelly,

May kelly:
Those in IsIam do not abuse another man's religion Likewise Christians do not abuse another man's religion.

We are all guilty. We have done it and we are all guilty on both sides!

I don't praise it, but. . . truth be spoken, we are all very guilty!

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