The evidence which I provided shows clearly that Lagos was a part of Benin. This is contrary to your claim, yet after seeing the evidence, you just repeat your disproved claim, and you decided to exclude anybody not endorsing your disproved claim. To you guys history is politics, and that is why you keep propagating pro-yoruba fairytales which you pretend is actual history. You don't actually care for facts, in reality you hate facts since those divert from your political propaganda. Most people in Lagos are not indigenous to Lagos, indeed Lagos is a victim of over migration since the british militarily occupied it. Lagos has a huge population of slave returnees, of Hausa, of igbo, of local runaway slaves....all migrants into Lagos.
Tflex01: Bros! There is no part of Lagos that belongs to Benin ( the permission to set up a post in a tiny area around the Island was given by a Yoruba king). The Binis know, the Igbos know, everybody knows!
Igbos only think the only way to get back at Yorubas for keeping them in their place in Lagos is by steering up the Benin controversy every time but they will eventually see the opposite of what they plan to achieve with that; an average Yoruba is now more interested in the politics of Lagos now than ever. What they should rather plan to do is to simply come and carry Lagos through all the South Western states and plant it in other region.
The two deluded yoruba fanatics decided to exclude others from the discussion when yoruba fairytales were being exposed (with proof) as false. The yoruba need an eco chamber to protect their dogma and their fairytales which they mistake for history.
You clearly don't understand the difference between a president in a democracy and a king. A king is served by his people, a true king is even adored by his people whereas a president (in a democracy) serves his people. A democratic president is a civil servant, he can therefore not have a superior status to that of a king whom is not a civil servant and whom the people of the land serve.
DonroxyII: Old Laws is Different from New Laws .....
In Contemporary Realities before Mankind & Its Creator, President & Commander-In-Chief of Armed Forces, Federal Republic of Nigeria is An Emperor Far Above & Beyond Any Traditional Institutions In Nigeria because Nigeria as a Country(Empire) is Bigger Than
Calling your president an "emperor" really exposed you as actually having a dictatorship mindset. In a democracy, the power is held by all the people, whereas in a true monarchy, the power is held by the King whom is God-ordained. People bow and kneel for the king, not for the president whom is just a civil servant serving the people under a limited mandate.
Stoplying: Ibadan was created in 1829, hundreds of years after Lagos was already mentioned in maps (as being a part of Benin). You basically don't know a thing about history, all you do is propagate fairytales which you confuse with history.
saddler: You seem to be manufacturing all these lies from your head.
The royalties Benin was collecting wasn't any sales tax.
Provide proofs to this your assertion or remain silent.
You are asking him to create "evidence", and he will. He will back his lie with an other lie which could come in the form of a fake document (an other unsubstantiated snapshot). And then you would fall for it given your line of questioning. If you paid attention, then you will notice that I provided eyewitness written documents proving that Lagos was a part of Benin. So it is strange that my claim which comes with authentic proof is being countered by his claim which is unsubstantiated, and you are asking him to prove his lie instead of you just looking at the evidence which I already provided in the form of precolonial texts and maps which prove that Lagos was a part of Benin and show him to be a liar.
As I said earlier, you live in an alternate reality. You've been telling lies for so long that your head can't differentiate between completely stupid claims of yours and actual reality.
If I want to buy land in Lagos, I will buy it from either the Lagos state government or whomever the owner of that land is, the person could be an igbo, a Hausa, a fulani, an Edo...
christistruth01: So you don't even consider the Yoruba Awori and Ijebu among the Owners of Lagos
No wonder they chased your fathers out of Port Harcourt and Calabar
When you want to buy Land in Lagos please make sure you pay for it in the Oba of Benin's Palace so your money can disappear and don't bother the Yorubas afterwards We are not interested
Chronological order of ownership of Lagos: 1. Oba of Benin 2. Federal republic of Nigeria
Why does history trigger you guys so much ? Notice how "yoruba" is not mentioned in the chronological order of ownership of Lagos.
Tflex01: Chinedu, go and recruit strong men from Oba of Benin's palace and come and carry Lagos and after carrying Lagos, pass through Ogun state, part of Oyo state and Ondo state, then plant it in one of the four Local Governments in Benin.
Congratulations, you have now achieved your aim, Lagos no longer belong to the Yorubas or South West. 🎉 🎉 🎉
1. The 1600's is the 17th century not the sixteenth century. 2. Quoting a document written with a computer as proof of Ibadan being created in the "16th century" is extremely stupid. Your people just lie too much, you guys are lost in your lies. 3. Once again, Ibadan was created in 1829
christistruth01: Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue about Yoruba History Ibadan was founded in the 16 th Century by Lagelu
Ibadan was created in 1829, hundreds of years after Lagos was already mentioned in maps (as being a part of Benin). You basically don't know a thing about history, all you do is propagate fairytales which you confuse with history.
christistruth01: By the Way the place the Awori refugees camped in Ibadan during the War with Benin was called Ekotedo It was Lagelu of Ibadan who was also the Jagun of Oyo that Alaafin sent to help Olofin defeat Benin in Lagos
Benin Suffered devastating defeat
We don't care what you think!!
When you want to buy land in Lagos go and pay for it in Benin if you believe Benin owns Lagos Bye!!
You keep living in an alternate reality. Lagos has zero historical link to oyo. You keep confusing ouyo pirates (ijo pirates) with oyo. So in your head, an attack on Lagos by ijo pirates is transformed into oyo having sovereignty over Lagos 🤣 Your intelligence is not growing. Above your comment I already presented proof of Lagos being part of Benin Kingdom/Empire.
Stoplying: Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:
"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."
Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.
I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)
And you bring yet an other fake map to state your unsubstantiated claim 🤣 I proved several times in front of your eyes that Lagos was part of Benin, but your fanatical head keeps claiming otherwise.
No, I won't go on a wild goose chase. It is you who posted the snapshot, it is up to you to provide a link towards the actual document. It is not up to me to waste my precious time looking for your document which may or may not exist.
It seems you really have a problem in posting links to the documents of which you are posting snapshots. I posted much earlier maps which weren't sketches and which showed actual countries, but instead you post a snapshot of a sketch which you claim was published in 1890 and which doesn't show countries 🤣
Oh, I see what you did there, you seem to believe that "national archive" is some sort of seal of authenticity for snapshots 🤣
Oh, and you just added a fake map to the mix 🤣 It seems that after more than 10 years, you still don't understand that the importance of a map is not that it exists but rather the date in which it was published. Anybody can go and draw a map, especially a map drawn with computer like the one which you presented. But that is what we call fake because it wasn't published in the era which it claims to observe. It is not an eyewitness written document. Rather, it is yet an other work of fiction from alayoruba.
Very simple, Lagos belongs to the indigenous people of Lagos, but those people were under the same emperor as the people of Benin city, the emperor is called Oba of Benin. Lagos was a part of Benin Kingdom. The same reason Kano is not owned by the dwellers of Abuja is the reason Lagos is not owned by the dwellers of Benin city. But the ruler of Nigeria who sits in Abuja has authority over Kano, just like the ruler of Benin empire who sits in Benin city has supreme authority over Lagos.
christistruth01: And For the one thousandth time What did Oba of lagos mean when he himself told you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "benin are not the owners of lagos”
This interview took place after the palace of Lagos was attacked and ransacked by a mob, the Oba of Lagos has never referred to himself as a "yoruba monarch" before his life was threatened by your mobs and his palace ransacked. So this is just incredibly irrelevant. Indeed, a man with a gun to his head can be made to say he is a flying goat if you ask nicely.
Nigeria is full with literate ignoramuses who think they are geniuses just because they can read and write. Look how these guys, who know nothing about history, spend night and day talking about history as if they were history professors. 😤
The flag was taken in 1897 during the British invasion of Benin empire. If the flag belongs to an "independent warri kingdom" and was not used beyond 1795, then how come it was taken in 1897 during the invasion of Benin empire ? 102 years after it's last use ! You see how you didn't make sense ?
GhostOfNigeria: The Warri Kingdom flag of War, lastly used by Olu Erejuwa I (1760-1795), which was taken by the British from Ologbo community, Warri Kingdom, is no longer on display.
The flag is currently in the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, London.
It can also be found digitally in the Royal Museum Greenwich with the ID: AAA0557, and the name: "west African flag."
The flag, which is falsely being claimed by Benin's as the flag of their so-called empire, is a laughable statement.
One thing which people like you fail to understand is that these objects were recorded as they were being taken, Benin doesn't even need to make any claims, the records of these objects show them as being from Benin empire, this means that thiefs like you can't take custody of these objects by making false claims. This Nigerian tendency of rewriting history does not have any effects beyond the shores of Nigeria, the rest of the world is not dumb.
"So called empire", at least try and hide your hatred so that people may assume you are thinking with your brain. Not only was Benin an empire, but warri was just a part of Benin. For crying out loud, it is the Olu of warri who presented the Oba of Benin to the Europeans as "the king of kings". The same Europeans named the body of water bordering itsikiri as "bight of Benin". History is not a thing you can just make up in your head with your feelings, it is something which is researched, it relies on evidence.
GhostOfNigeria: In a tweet by Lord_of_Warri on 𝕏 (Twitter). The itsekiri people have threaten a lawsuit against the Benin kingdom and Royal British maritime museum in Greenwich if the flag is falsely claimed by Benin’s as theirs when it is very evident the flag belongs to itsekiri’s. Read Tweet below.
The Warri Kingdom flag of War, lastly used by Olu Erejuwa I (1760-1795), which was taken by the British from Ologbo community, Warri Kingdom, is no longer on display.
The flag is currently in the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, London.
It can also be found digitally in the Royal Museum Greenwich with the ID: AAA0557, and the name: "west African flag."
The flag, which is falsely being claimed by Benin's as the flag of their so-called empire, is a laughable statement.
If, for any reason, this flag is sent to Benin as theirs, we, the Itsekiri Historical Front, will sue the British government and the Benin kingdom to hand it over back to Warri Kingdom.
The crown of Benin can not be compared with this village stool. Benin was a large empire which gave its name to the bight of Benin and to Benin republic, so remember that there are levels. Also in the case of the oni of ife, I will have you reminded that his father is still alive, it is rather strange to be a king while your father is alive and never abdicated. But of course the father of the Oni was never a king, the Oni is more of a priest than an actual king. You can be a priest while your father is alive, but you can't be a king while your dad is alive and never abdicated the crown.
hotseat: This practice is rather strangely curious!
An ADC on the one hand and a traditional ruler (king) on the other hand.
Chai!
Traditional rulership has really been bastardized in Nigeria.
Imagine the Oni of Ife or the Oba of Benin being a "boy-boy" to someone else.
It's a taboo!
As they say in local parlance, "he carry elephant for head, dey take leg dig for cricket".
PHAYOL81: IT'S still their identity, why would the BENINS claim it?
Warri was a dukedom of Benin kingdom/empire, that is why the flag was taken during the war between Britain and Benin. It is funny how you just believe what that guy said on twitter without him providing any proof whatsoever. Itsikiri are the ones who presented Europeans to the Oba of Benin, and they presented him as the king of all kings. Just type "Gallica" on nairaland search engine to see precolonial maps of Benin and precolonial texts. Warri was a part of Benin, but Nigerians are uneducated and just believe what they want to believe.
To the guys claiming warri was an independent kingdom and that the flag belongs to that independent kingdom, please explain why the flag was taken during an attack on Benin kingdom and not during an attack on an independent warri kingdom ? Also Ologbo is not a part of warri. @ghostofnigeria
Trace your roots back to the slave plantations of Brazil and stop dragging land with the owner who inherited it from his ancestors while yours were plucking cotton in Brazil.
How a slave descendant (you) fed with fairytales of greatness as "history" is now claiming the "king of the land is a tenant" is beyond me, 😆 I'm baffled. At least share whatever it is you are smoking, we all deserve to get high 😅
You confuse internet fairytales with reality. Kingdom of Benin was already written about before there was any such thing as "yoruba", by the way, yoruba is just an other word for "oyo kingdom". And yoruba was first written and pronounced "yarri.ba", then later on, it was derived into yoruba. Since your folklore is centered around the word Benin, I will have you notice that it is not the same word which was written down by every group of Europeans who visited our ancestors. We didn't have a written language and the Europeans were spelling our name from our ancestors' spoken words in order for the pronunciation to be similar for people speaking the same language as the European visitor. So some European wrote down "Beny" while some wrote down "Ouéni" and some wrote down "Benin"..., but semi-literate people like you don't think things from the beginning to the end, you like short cuts.
realmindz: Benin was formed from “ile Ibinu” in Yoruba which means the land of anger
helinues: Are you from Lagos state? From any part of South West states? If the answer is NO why not STFU
Lagos had never been "Yorubaland". Yoruba is nothing but an other name for oyo kingdom.
Stoplying: Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:
"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."
Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.
I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)