₦airaland Forum

FacilitatorLekk:
Mumu, how easy is it to conceal and move gas products?

As easily as it is to do this with fuel.

FacilitatorLekk:
Your argument is dumb, the only way to move gas abroad is through pipelines,

I guess gas tanks and gas trucks do not exist.


I'm ignoring you from now on, the reason I don't do debates is that there are too many people like you here, fanatics who just can't listen to logic.

FacilitatorLekk:
Mad dummy

I now see you are as foolish as I thought...when they mention subsidies you dumbheads will think it's only PMS that can be subsidized. Go to school or go online and learn how the government can subsidize essential goods and services for the citizens, to make their life easier and enable them have more disposable income.

The electric bus the president is talking about, is a form of subsidies, distribution of cheap fertilizer to farmers is a form of subsidies, working with power companies to ensure electricity tarrifs is not too expensive is a form of subsidy, giving tax breaks to cement companies to ensure cement prices are affordable for Nigerians is a form of subsidy as well. Dummy, hope you have learnt a bit today. You sound like someone who didn't go to secondary school.

So now you are changing the definition of subsidy to include social benefits and infrastructure development ? If you can't win then change the rules in the middle of the game, I guess. 🤡
Please just Shvt up.

So this fools argument is : Nigerian politicians are crooked and use Nigerian money to buy luxury cars and Dubai hotels, therefore Nigeria should donate its money to its neighbours instead.

FacilitatorLekk:
You are myopic,. subsidies is for the poor, not the rich, am not speaking for myself, am speaking as a nation the people must be catered for. Or your dumb head want politicians only to enjoy the largese of the nation. Zombie.

Just say which country you are from.
We can all see that you are either stvpid either not a Nigerian.
You want Nigerian subsidies for your country which is not Nigeria.

FacilitatorLekk:
A rich country like Nigeria, the people deserve welfare/subsidies, because the riches of the nation is not meant for politicians alone. Wake up, and stop being an enemy of the people.

You are either not a Nigerian or you are just stvpid. Indeed, you keep arguing for subsidies (and sometimes you pretend that that is not what you are arguing for).
We all know that subsidies are a donation to the neighbouring countries and that it bankrupts Nigeria and Nigerians, yet you keep advocating for it. That shows you have interests in it (or you are stvpid), probably because you are from a neighbouring country (or you are stvpid) and want to cash in on Nigerian subsidies.

Know this now: Nigeria doesn't owe its neighbours any money. There will never be any subsidy in Nigeria ever again !

FacilitatorLekk:
Stop arguing for the fun of it, if you don't know or understand ask...how can you compare subsidy of fuel where government pays marketers to gas distribution...did you see anywhere I said government should pay gas marketers?

Gas will be sold cheaper when more gas is channeled and distributed to the market. Even a primary school kid knows about demand and supply in economics.

Economics is not part of primary school programs.
Let A be the price at which you sell gas internationally, let B be the price at which you sell gas locally.
A will be equal to market value.
If B<A (A-B is big enough) then your neighbors will jump at the occasion and buy your gas in your country at price B) and distribute it locally (in their country) or internationally if they have the logistics.
Then you end up selling your product in a significant manner at price B instead of price A. So even if you are not paying subsidy to marketers (I don't see why markers will accept such a situation though), you are making less money than you could be making by just selling the product locally and internationally at price A and then giving (A-B)*(average local consumption in appropriate metric) to proven Nigerians in need through social benefits and using the rest for development (hospitals, universities, research...). That makes Nigerians enjoy the business without reducing the price for the neighbours.

FacilitatorLekk:
You have a myopic thinking...increase in supply reduce price, as long as government ensures the locally market is well supplied.

Now like most nairalanders, you are arguing on bad faith. Increase in supply won't reduce the price locally-only but globally. A local-only reduction of price is not natural and requires subsidies or the marketers will go bankrupt.
Also, for your information, Nigeria already has that gas, the creation of the pipelines will not create the gas! Nor increase local supply.

FacilitatorLekk:
Stop it, gas is different. The problem with subsidy was government paying money to marketers directly, am saying this increase distribution of gas will drastically reduce price, government don't need to pay the gas dealers, the price will reduce because of increase in supply. It's basic economics.

Secondly subsidies and welfare are things a government owes to the citizens, a smart and efficient government won't let it's subsidy system to be abused, there are several ways government can subsidise food, shelter and basic necessities for Nigerians...tax reliefs, concessions, giving free lands, working with people in the sector etc...

I don't see how the price of gas could be made to be locally lower than market value without paying subsidies to marketers. (If you don't pay subsidies to marketers, the black market will easily screw the marketers out of business)
You still don't understand that subsidizing products can not work in Nigeria, indeed our neighbors can cross the border (and they do) and buy the products at the local price and then cross back and sell it in their country. Put it through your head that subsidy doesn't work in Nigeria.
The only solution is social benefits which will go directly to the pockets of real Nigerians.

Anyways, have a nice one. Discussion over.

FacilitatorLekk:
This should drastically reduce price of gas domestically.

If you reduce price of gas domestically then the neighbours will use your gas for their black market and you will end up making the neighbours rich at the detriment of your people whom you want to help. It is just like the subsidy in which all the neighbours were getting fat on Nigerian stupidity while also endlessly claiming all Nigerians were drug dealers and terrorists.

What Nigeria should do is create social benefits for Nigerians (proven Nigerians) in need.

I oppose the trans-saharan pipeline because it is stupid and not worth it.
It is a direct confrontation with the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. And it will pass through the land of one of Russia's biggest allies (Algeria), and Algeria is also a gaz producing nation which will make Nigeria pay a some of money big enough to make it worth it for Algeria. That will make the investment unworthy for Nigeria.
Niger is a very unstable country, flooded with mercenaries and terrorists, Algeria has its own load of terrorists, those groups might blow the investment up, or Russian military might do it.

If Nigeria and Russia went to war tomorrow, do you guys believe anybody in the west will give a penny about the number of casualties in Nigeria? They would be happy that Russia is wasting its bombs on Nigerians instead of Ukrainians.

Not to mention that as soon as Russia and the west reconcile, the Nigerian pipeline will be sidelined by the west in favour of the very cheap Russian gas.

Believeintruth:
Oga i am also in the office, i just came out from a meeting where we charted deals i am not like you who is messing up with an NHS contractor in UK lying that you are in office. Oga stop using premium times to spew lies. Nigeria-Morroco pipeline is 5,000km long...... you this idiot think you are better than me because internet makes fools like you think you matter

He wasn't boasting about being in the office, he was telling you he was at work in order to explain to you that he doesn't have time for you because he were at work.
You are definitely a jobless person and that is understandable given your low level of qualification. Although I have met people just as unqualified as you who had well paying jobs, but generally they didn't argue as much when they were wrong. Also you seem to have some sort of complex of inferiority and that is seen with the fact you always try to match what others are saying ( I told you I didn't have time for you, you said "same here"; he tells you he is at work, you claim you are also at work).

Believeintruth:
You think you can manipulate me to insult you, it is your parents that are ashamed and embarassed with how useless you have become. You want to be a mischievious person, you only ended the diagram of the Tran Sahara pipeline in Algeria, but you continued to Spain for the Nigeria to Morocco pipeline to sell and agenda. I dare you to show us the extension of the pipeline from Tamnaraset to Europe. You are not smart at all.

Stop being stvpid, the straight line is the shortest. That is secondary school level mathematics.
This is why I refuse to debate people on nairaland, most of you don't follow logic and lack entry level education, yet you keep arguing while you know nothing, just like fanatics.

FreedomArmy:
So fulanis are now trying to banish Yoruba culture in Yoruba land. Where is mc oluomo when you need him ,where is ffk the loud mouth and all those cowards that only know how to write long epistle on the internet. Ilorin is gone and Lagos is in the next 50years will be like ilorin under the rule of an Igbo monarchy

Fulsni did to illorin what Yorubas are trying to do to Lagos.

It will probably take you years to understand this but let me give s hint: Yorubas are migrants to Lagos.

Believeintruth:
I am also not entering a debate with you I want to correct you. I dare you to show me where Algeria and France showed aggression in foreign policy and bilateral cooperation in the last 10 years.

No time to waste with you.

Believeintruth:
Show me where Algeria has shown aggression towards France in the last 10 years. If the pipe from Algier goes to Europe it is clearly Marseille that it will terminate in.

I'm not entering a "debate", feel free to continue your line of thoughts if you don't want my correction, hopefully I helped someone else with my correction.

Believeintruth:
I am not concerned about Algeria's allegiance but in an economic standpoint they will make so much money from both Niger and Nigeria on that pipeline so economically it is stupid project with a poor ROI.

I was only correcting your mistake about Algeria being an ally of France. If you can use the correction to rethink your write up then that would be a positive thing.

Believeintruth:
mind you Algeria and France are allies

Algeria and France are not allies, Algeria is not suffering from slave mentality like Nigeria, they don't need to be validated by their former colonizers. They fought a bloody war to get rid of France.
Algeria and Russia are allies.

What don't you comprehend in
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Stoplying:
I won't debate anybody in this forum anymore, most people on this website do not obey logic, I'm done with wasting my time trying to bring people back to sanity.

" ? No debate to have here, no time to waste, move on with your life.

obailala:
But the logic you tried to bring up was flawed wasnt it?

You have a shop in which you sell biscuits. The demand is higher than what you can supply. You have a neighbour who has excess in stock, but doesnt know how to sell it. As a businessmen, what will you do?

Would you look for a way to pull down and destroy your neighbour's business, or will you find a way to partner with them for mutual benefit?... Unfortunately a lot of people think 'pulling down the next person' is a meaningful business strategy.

obailala:
Lol... you just shot yourself with your own analogy.... If I sell biscuits and the demand is higher than the stock that I have, and I have a neighbour who has high stock but can't sell, the next most intelligent thing a businessman would do is to PARTNER with that his neighbour so that business can keep moving. There's no wisdom in fighting a person you should be partnering with for mutual benefit; the Algerian government is certainly not fighting with Nigeria on this one but is rather deeply vested in the project because they stand to gain from it too. Even Morocco that also has interconnector pipelines to Europe have been trying to partner with Nigeria to connect a pipeline through their country too.

Meanwhile, on your last statement; how exactly does Nigeria selling its gas to Europe for good income translate to us being slaves of the west? What does that even mean?... This is a project that has been planned since the 1970's, but why do I feel some of you just come up with these arguments because you feel a compulsion to oppose anything done by the government?

I won't debate anybody in this forum anymore, most people on this website do not obey logic, I'm done with wasting my time trying to bring people back to sanity.

obailala:
Algeria exports gas to Europe, but the demand of gas is far more than Algeria can meet. Algeria would be very happy to receive Nigerian gas for onward export to Europe. It's good business!

So if you have a shop in which you sell biscuit and the demand is higher than the supply, you go and ask a competitor to come and share your shop with you ?
My friend, if demand is higher than supply then the price will keep growing until demand equals supply, it's great business to not invite a competitor to share your shop with you.
Plus any such pipeline will be at the mercy of mercenary/terrorist groups in Niger and Algeria.
And the amount of money you would need to give Algeria to make it worth it for Algeria to let you set shop in its country (as a competitor) would make the business not worth it to you. The only people who could gain from this are the Algerians and the Europeans.
This would provide an other reason for the EU to meddle in Nigerian politics...
And Russia will definitely find a way to destroy those pipelines (by the way, Algeria is an ally of Russia)...

There are other markets to sell gas, no need to try and stab Russia in the back for a few dollars or to "prove loyalty" to the west. Try and start thinking for your own interests and stop being a slave.

tundein18:
Irrelevant talk. I’m talking about the people and culture which you’re terrified of because you don’t even know anything about Benin

You are talking total unsubstantiated nonesense.
I like the confidence of you lots to come and make claims about my people without proof, and when I contradict you and proved claims, you tell me that I know nothing about my people...😅 Shvt the hell up, go and make your new fairytales, leave Benin out of them this time. Focus on Egypt or Arabia, you can't use my people to create your fake history in order to hide the fact your ancestors were slaves in Brazil.

tundein18:
You’re not even a real Benin. Ancient Benin were ifa people so I don’t know what kind of Benin you are with your anti Yoruba babble

🤣 You guys sniff too much fairytales in the southwest.
All you say never comes with proof.
Ife is a very new settlement compared to any city of Benin kingdom (Edda, Warri, Auchi, Lagos...). Ife was still a village in 1912 when the British started urbanising it, whereas Benin kingdom was witnessed as an empire in the 1400s. It's capital Benin city (also called Edda or Edo) is not in the sale league as Ife the village.

tundein18:
Itshekiri are Yorubas of ijebu ancestry. They have zero Edo ancestry. Stand on your own and stop claiming people into Benin.

Now how did you get to that conclusion?
Does the concept of proving your claim even have any meaning for you ?
For your information Itshekeris is older than yebou, so how the old could be the son of the young is beyond me.
Also, I'm not claiming anybody, the previous Olu of Warri made the claim himself that Itshekeris originated from Benin.
Precolonial maps show Itshekeris as being part of Benin kingdom.

And in the 1400's it is the Olu of Warri who brought the Europeans to meet his father, the Oba of Benin.
Even the attire of the Olu of Warri is a Benin attire, along with the Benin ceremonial swords.

Jogs1900:
If SS stays alone, it's okay.My maternal family are Urhobos and I know what they say.Itshekiris are Yorubas while Benin are Yorubas cousins.
Now if they are to choose between SW and SE, which region do you think they will prefer ?

1. Itshekeris are Edo, not Yoruba.
2. Benin is not "Yoruba cousin". (I don't think you even know what Benin is)

You are definitely not Urhobo, you guys in the southwest consume too much fairytales and know nothing about the most recent history.
The southsouth is a region, just like the southwest or the southeast. So why do you expect that there would be a situation where the southsouth would have to chose to subject itself to the southeast or the southwest ?
Are you crazy ?
Dude, also you keep forgetting how the Midwest voted to not be part of the western region anymore! Yet you think we would just want to be with you guys ?
You guys are crazy, southeast and southwest. Look, we in the southsouth do not need any of you, if anything, you need us, so shut your traps.

onuman:
Descendants of Othman Dan Fodio building their bridges with Europe using the resources in the old Eastern region in the name of one Nigeria. The area the gas is obtained are left with no development by Nigeria's government; devastated by oil pollution and guilly erosion.

So Niger Delta is part of "the old eastern region" ?
What type of rat poison are you guys drinking in Enugu ?

Who the fvck is Esau ?

Arapmoi22:
Thank you so much for being knowledgeable and having foresight.
Many Nigerians are Esau Generation.
They only want something to eat now.
Give them a module measure of Beans, they will cook everything.
But those with foresight will cook half for food and defer gratification for 3 -5 months by planting the other half.
Just wait a bit, you will read one of them quote you and say, "no be person wey dey alife fit enjoy your longer term vision"?
It is normal for them, shallow mind, poor mind.
That is the greatest problem of our generation.
I am part of the on-going one that someone posted it's pictures earlier, more projects always brings more jobs.
Again I say Thank you.

grandstar:
How long will it be and how many years is expected to take to finish its construction? It might shock you but I won't be surprised if the Russian gas pipelines to Europe have a much greater distance considering the outrageous size of Russia.

Russia is not Nigeria, it's cities are connected with well functioning pipelines. So when Russia builds pipelines to Germany, it doesn't need to build them right from the point of extraction, rather it builds them from the nearest town to Germany.

Algeria has gas, so why would Algeria allow Nigeria to compete with it on its own land ?
This project looks stupid, who would even build the pipelines ? China ? Why would China do that? The pipelines are built to sideline Russia which is China's biggest ally.

Watcharena:
You still did not understand that China is not trying to help any one they're trying to set themselves free because they're also under US sanctions

The intent of China is irrelevant, what matters is if their interests align with those of other nations, and they do !

The USA's only intent is domination of the world, and its interests are not aligned with those of any other country on earth (except its puppets)

Let us make this simple so that the guys whom are acting as loud speakers for NATO media will understand:

1) Russian economy is better ranked than it was before the invasion and annexation started.
2) the dollar is living on borrowed time because the rest of the world has noticed that the dollar is a USA weapon, a ticking time bomb against whomever holds it.
3) Russia is not pushing for its currency to replace the dollar, rather Russia wants a multipolar business world (not dominated by the dollar)
4) at this point the only existing currency which might take the place of the dollar is the yuan. Although that is not what China wants.
5) A currency which is being built to replace the dollar but doesn't exist yet is the bricks currency

To conclude with: either replaced or not, the dollar is kaput! Give it enough time and you will also arrive to this conclusion.
Without dollar domination, the USA will become just an ordinary country.