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shdemidemi: I am very sorry about the foolish questions, bear with me bro.

Do you believe the new testament is the word of God as well?

I respect ur humility sir

Frank4YAHWEH: So, in YOUR religious belief you do not believe that YOUR "God" has a SON and that he is not YOUR "God's" offspring?

frank as it is...am nt sure ur guide is bible. Ur are so physical and literal with all ur assumptions. U are comparing the SON in divine concept to Son in physical realm. See, the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. Regards

frosbel: People say my Son is a 'spitting image' of me, does that make him me ?

frosbel...was Jesus created? I fink we shuld start from this question!

Frank all I could grasp was different verison expressing their opinion and tilting their assertions against the trinity beliefs. If you are honest, every expaination still narrows to the fact that God came down and dwell among men.one of the main reasons the Jews don’t accept Jesus as Messiah is they believe in only one God.  Christians believe in the trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost or Spirit.  All separate but at the same time, all together.  A way of thinking of this is to consider your own body.  You have a head, hands, feet, heart, bones, etc.  All separate, but all part of the same body.  You can’t cut off your little toe because you think you don’t use it often enough.  It’s a part of you and it serves a purpose.  Same singular body but made up of different parts that serve different purposes.Frank, Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14).
Regards

mantraa: I have read about the bible codes and they are all just fictional codes taken from a fictional book. There is absolutely no truth to any of it. We are the creators of our own destiny and the sooner we all realise that the better. Instead of wallowing in a self inflicted pessimistic quagmire based on the predictions of ancient texts forced on us by European slave masters, you should be trying to help build a better future for yourself and your children.
I know it's hard to free yourself from years of religious indoctrination, but it can be done. It takes some people years of thinking critically about religions before they realise that it's all man made.
Think about it. The bible was first thought up thousands of years ago by brutal, ignorant, racist, sexist, Bronze Age, tribal, desert dwelling goat herders. It's been translated by word of mouth and rewritten hundreds of times down the ages. It's like a fairy story, none of it is true. Just like all the other religions in the world that people follow.

Respects

hey...is that your personal opinion or u have an observational evidence to support ur claims? Regards

Frank4YAHWEH: The only way that you disappoint me is in that you can actually believe in the foolish, false, deceptive, and demonic so-called "Holy Trinity" doctrine! James Strong's work is not "the literal hebrew rendering" and he is in fact a Trinitarian and his works reflect his bias.

As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) 'elohim' in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I myself do not give reference to FATHER Yahweh by the name/title "Elohim" , because of it's pagan Canaanite origin as a whole. The root of this word as derives from the Hebrew word root 'yl, wl, ul that simply means 'might, strength, power or authority. FATHER Yahweh is the only one Who is refered to as "ALmighty." and as "the Mighty One of mighty ones."

I was tempted to come back with ur inference. Am very sure u are familiar with isaiah 9v6-
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Frank...kindly answer my questions with honesty. Who is the prophet talking about? What are the notable attributes in the titles below? Regards.

I just wondered now...dat wat good is our arguement? Hw does it stop mass path to darkness? Hw does it increase heaven candidates? I believe we shuld be cracking bones by now and nt sucking milk. Let us channel our strength to glorify Jesus by living the heaven standard. Regards

Ehixking, the Lord shall keep u. He will sure perfect His will on you! Make the word of God ur standard in all you steps.beware of wordly wisdom.it is real though bt it mask the unseen that matters the most. God bless u.

ehixking: But all the prophecies has all come to past ......that's my only concern

humm...ehixking, the end is in the making. Now it shows most the prophesy has taking place...bt everytin need to happen on a large scale.pls meditate on my questions below!- Hw many pple leave christianity in a day? Do pple still go to church freely? Do we have one government now?, has human genetic code being altered on a large scale? Has human accepted the extra-terresstial as their god? Has the seed of the mighty powers of the unseen world been born? Has there been great anguish than anytime since the world began? Has the sacrilegious object dat causes abomination standing in the holy place happened? All these must happen to push God to shake the powers in the heavens. Infact unless the time of calamity is shortened, nt a single person will survive. Bt it will be shortened becos of the elect! God bless u.

dmcdad: Sex! Sex!! Sex!!! What has sex done to the human race...? God have mercy on us all.

sex has always been the viable among sins. Its goes viral quickly at a disturbing speed. It unleash the evil potentials in human.it was the cause of noah's flood, the distruction of sodom, the fall of the Adam, David, solomon etc

Wen the foundation is faulty....pple jump from one faith to another!

Wen the foundation is faulty....pple jump from one faith to another!

The time is not right. Things are still pretty in shape as it is. Things needs to get pretty worse and alarming to jump start the end. Just like the dayz of Noah. U can go ahead to research the specifics that made the days of noah peculiar and standard for the end of world to come !Regards

Ofcos if he was unconcious b4, ur shelling post go kill am!.

Ofcos if he was unconcious b4, ur shelling post go kill am!.

Would it surprise you learn, that NASA's leading space science lab, was started by a co-founder with deep ties to the occult? What did Aleister Crowley, Ron Parsons, and L. Ron Hubbard all have in common; and what did they do? What is so important about the years of 1946 through 1948, in our planets history? Let's take a look. Aleister Crowley (1875 - 1947) , The Amalantrah Working (1918) - The infamous Aleister Crowley opens a portal during an elaborate working and meets the LAM. Aleister Crowley was able to close this portal as legend has it.

Jack Parsons (1914-1952), and L. Ron Hubbard (1911-1986) The Babylon Working (1946), according to occult and folk lore, Parsons and Hubbard ripped open the portal, unfortunately they were not as successful as Aleister Crowley was in closing the Portal. Aleister Crowley incidentally called them out in public, calling them louts, that made him nervous.
UFO Sightings

More than 160 UFO Sightings from 06/15/1947 to 07/15/1947, The first official sighting on 06/24/1947 was by Kenneth Arnold. Btw these shocking events, list of awesome development ensue. The US starts Atomic Tests on Bikini Atoll (1946).
United Nations' first meeting (1946).
The CIA was authorized by the National Security act (NSA) of 1947
The (IMF) International Monetary Fund begins operaion.
The Cold War Begins.
The Dead Sea Scroll find is underway in caves near Wadi Qumran (1946)
Kenneth Arnold June 24th, 1947, sighting of the first UFO, seen over the Cascade Mountains in Washington State, it was the beginning of the modern ufo age as we know it.
July 7th 1947, The Roswell UFO Incident.
September 18th, 1947. The United States Air Force officially becomes its own agency, separate from the United States Army.
September 18th, 1947, The CIG becomes the Central Intelligence Agency CIA
Israel became a State on May 14th, 1948
Any notable contributions along these lines will be welcomed. Regards

Am so sure kenya does not have our own type of yaba left there! Jokes apart...its all a game to undermine Jesus's death!

Good Morning and Happy New Month to us all. We shud all know that seen the 8th month of the year 2013 is not a right but a privilege and by grace of God. Therefore give thanks to God for what he has done for us in the last 7 months and his PEACE will not elude us and members of our household. Have a fruitful month of August.

frosbel: Heb 1:9


How can GOD have a GOD ?

...lol, now u are getin worse frosbel. Fine we all know so little about God but urs seems a bit so little. U fink too literal about God or tins of the spirit. Have u ever ask urself y the jews picked up stones wen jesus said God is his father? Frosbel, does God procreate? Is there a womanlike God dat gave birth to spirit jesus? Ofcos NO! The jew understood perfectly the implication of jesus statement. The Son means God in flesh. The Son came out of the father. The faTher and the son are one! God do nt share His glory. But the son and the father share glory. Do u question john the baptist testimony about jesus? He said God gave Him His spirit witout limit...see, “If Jesus has the the spirit without measure of the only true God then he is immeasurably the only true God, as God is spirit.-he who is wise let him understand. Even in phil 2.6-
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. We can check out some other versions.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God,
American Standard Version
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

If we chistians really undertands the position of Jesus. Then we can call Him the word of God! Frosbel.....wat is the difference btw God and His word! He respect his word more than his name! Jesus is the Word and the word is God.
Even if John has not said it by the holyspirit....isaiah made sure of it in chapter 9v6
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
If the jew can understand God more than you over 2000yrs ago...u don't have excuse bro!
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government will be upon his sholder.his name will be called mighty God, Everlasting Father.....

John 14:Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.

Frosbel..the exaltation was of Christ's human nature, in union with the Divine. At the name of Jesus, not the mere sound of the word, but the authority of Jesus, all should pay solemn homage. It is to the glory of God the Father, to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; for it is his will, that all creation, seen and unseen should honour the Son as they honour the Father,God intends that he was really and truly God; that he partook of the same nature with the Father, and was possessed of the same glory: from whence it appears, that he was in being before his incarnation; that he existed as a distinct person from God his Father, in whose form he was, and that as a divine person, or as truly God, being in the glorious form, nature, and essence of God; and that there is but one form of God, or divine nature and essence, common to the Father and the Son, and also to the Spirit; so that they are not three Gods, but one God: what the form of God is, the Heathens themselves (g) say cannot be comprehended nor seen, and so not to be inquired after; and they use the same word the apostle does here (h): and now Christ being in this glorious form, or having the same divine nature with the Father, with all the infinite and unspeakable glories of it,

thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is; for he has the same perfections, as eternity, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, immutability, and self-existence: hence he has the same glorious names, as God, the mighty God, the true God, the living God, God over all, Jehovah, the Lord of glory, &c. the same works of creation and providence are ascribed to him, and the same worship, homage, and honour given him: to be "in the form of God", and to be "equal with God", signify the same thing, the one is explanative of the other: and this divine form and equality, or true and proper deity, he did not obtain by force and rapine or by robbery and will not admit of it, so it is not true in fact; he did affect deity, and asserted it strongly, and took every proper opportunity of declaring it, and in express terms affirmed he was the Son of God; and in terms easy to be understood declared his proper deity, and his unity and equality with the Father; required the same faith in himself as in the Father, and signified that he that saw the one, saw the other, Mark 14:61 John 5:17. Others give this as the sense of them, that he did not in an ostentatious way show forth the glory of his divine nature, but rather hid it; it is true, indeed, that Christ did not seek, but carefully shunned vain glory and popular applause. Frosbel...Kiss the Son lest He be ANGRY! Regards

Joagbaje: Dinosaurs and other ore historic animals existed millions of years ago. Before our present age ,before Adam was created , they were all destroyed in the first world ruled by lucifer who became Satan.

tank you. The lucifer's flood!

italo: God said "do not judge."

The pope said "I will not judge."

Yet you people will not let him rest.

if he had said "I will judge," the same you will shout "aha! he disobeys God."

How can you be pleased, this evil generation?

. Kept wondring the part that is evil in my statement. Ofcos I will be more worried if he had been judgemental. It would have been more wise for him to quote the bible as his standard. Fine...the refined part of his statement is from the bible bt was cunning wit usage. Hey, search urself...if u trully understand the bible...u will know he is trying to mask the real picture. As it is, watever he said does nt matter to me anyway. Bt it sure matters to the half baked out there.

italo: Which is these is not to be obeyed by a Christian?

A. God: "do not judge."

B. Pope: "I will not judge."

C. Segeggs: "Anybody can judge."

God said do not judge....cos He alone knows the begining and end of humans life.(Who culd hav known the robber on the cross would be saved) The act of judging is way different from being economical with the truth.

alpha conde: Remember jesus himself didn't condemn the adultrous woman, even the robber by his cross.

haba let us use wisdom here. Jesus did condem bt those that knows the truth and shy away from it. Its a black and white tin. Pope shuld tell his followers dat this is spade and this is shovel. Lesson to pple that look at man for spiritual guidance...human will always be human. Do it urself is always the best. Regards

re@lchange:
hmm i'm beginning to like the nigerian police more and more.
they look fit and trim these days.
where did all pot bellies go?
really good for naija.

they are police for media ....dat is it!

haba senateeeee..... even an half brian person understands that your contention here is a transparent mask.the multiplier effect of your decision is pure evil. kai... can u guys listen to urself?

haba......

...and my broda Sidon there dey chop one billion naira food away

oshyno: This is hw I want politics to be played. Political parties irrespective of their divides coming together to make things work. Not some dimwits sabotaging everything in order to use it during campaign.

yes...dat is it o

Don Demu: Make them go siddon joor. Una no hold protest on beta matta na dis one come dey make una blood rush? Dem force you to marry under aged babe abi dem se make u marry off ur daughter early? FOOLS

it is obvious dat this demu THING cant be a product of 9month

This act of legislature alone can cause change in government in Egypt! Smh for nigeria...

God help these pple That they did shuld nt win next election. They will regret the day they come to spotlight!

Mr knowitall.:
this Nigeria..China..relationship is getting more disturbing by the day...

with an increasing mode on zero tolerance for corruption from the west.the nigerian govt are more comfortable with chinese cos they are equally corrupt and understand the language to details. THE CHINESE GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE WEST GIVES YOU WHAT YOU NEED.